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17:00:37 <akgraner> Welcome to the CC meeting - who's here
17:00:39 <akgraner> o/
17:00:40 <dholbach> Mark might be a bit late, but should make it
17:00:43 <YokoZar> o/
17:00:46 <czajkowski> o/
17:00:46 <dholbach> \\o
17:01:03 <beuno> o/
17:01:34 <highvoltage> o>-<
17:01:40 <highvoltage> oops, let me rotate 90°
17:01:43 <akgraner> great - so looks like first up is welcoming the Edubuntu Council
17:01:44 <highvoltage> \o/
17:01:54 <czajkowski> highvoltage: aloha there thanks for coming
17:01:56 <akgraner> #topic #Edubuntu Council Review
17:01:59 <dholbach> it's great to have you here :)
17:02:07 <akgraner> highvoltage, welcome!
17:02:11 <highvoltage> stgraber, alkisg: are you around?
17:02:13 <highvoltage> thanks!
17:02:17 <alkisg> Hi all
17:02:32 <dholbach> alkisg, highvoltage, stgraber (who else is here?): how have your last few months been in Edubuntu land?
17:02:36 <akgraner> Can you fill us in on how things are going with you all..
17:02:38 <highvoltage> First off, thanks for doing this review!
17:03:00 <highvoltage> In Edubuntu, we purposely try to keep the Council itself just that
17:03:16 <highvoltage> and keep the part where we actually do things as a team in edubuntu-dev
17:03:30 <highvoltage> but as it happens, edubuntu-dev and edubuntu-council are pretty much the same at this point
17:03:37 * alkisg is an LTS guy so he can't comment much about the last few months, but I can comment about 10.04 in Greek schools - it's a big success, we deployed it to 120.000 laptops and to 250 schools so far
17:03:53 <dholbach> alkisg, WOW
17:03:54 <czajkowski> impressive
17:03:58 <akgraner> nice!
17:04:11 <alkisg> Half of them are in this map: http://goo.gl/maps/nOoQ
17:04:14 <YokoZar> That IS impressive
17:04:19 <highvoltage> I guess on a project level our most exciting thing is our colaboration with Debian-Edu
17:04:39 <highvoltage> in some of their deployments they want to use Ubuntu/Edubuntu Desktop with Debian-Edu servers
17:04:55 <Gwaihir> that is amazing
17:05:10 <highvoltage> so we're investigating what we can do to get their scripts packaged in Ubuntu.
17:06:02 <akgraner> That's great!
17:06:05 <highvoltage> I'm visiting a school on Saturday that's been running Ubuntu for 6 years now, I'm going to do an interview with them and hopefully it will be the first of a series of school interviews
17:06:16 <highvoltage> but that's not really EC specific :)
17:06:34 <dholbach> highvoltage, I could imagine that the collaboration on a package level is working out well - are there points where the goals in Debian-Edu and Edubuntu are different?
17:06:45 <highvoltage> I guess if we talk just about EC-specific stuff then our scope is rather small
17:07:28 <highvoltage> dholbach: currently debian-edu provides a complete solution, server and client side. we just do client-side atm. the server stuff is a lot of work that we don't have the manpower to take on at the moment
17:07:50 <YokoZar> alkisg: highvoltage: what would you say is the primary motivater decision-makers have for putting ubuntu in schools?
17:07:50 <highvoltage> getting new contributors for Edubuntu seems hard, people just don't find it all that interesting
17:09:00 <highvoltage> YokoZar: it's different from area to area and also budgets, in the more affluent schools you find that they want it because some of their needs are completely met with just having a web browser and openoffice.org.
17:09:15 <highvoltage> YokoZar: in other cases, people don't really care and just want something cheap
17:09:18 <alkisg> It's hard to summarize the Ubuntu or FLOSS benefits in general in a few words... cost, ease of installation and maintainance, freedom of changing + redistributing the software... bits are missing, of course, but the whole community is working on making the experience better
17:09:34 <dholbach> highvoltage, are schools getting in touch with the Edubuntu team much? are there people in the schools themselves who might start contributing?
17:09:37 <highvoltage> YokoZar: and then there are those who want to spend less time on fixing malware related problems
17:09:55 <highvoltage> dholbach: for a long time we had very, very little feedback from anyone
17:10:05 <highvoltage> dholbach: then stgraber added the webform on http://edubuntu.org/contact
17:10:14 <YokoZar> alkisg: For sure, the benefits are many, I'm just looking for a more coherent lesson to help guide the ubuntu-elevator-pitch
17:10:20 <sabdfl> perhaps if we highlighted some of your projects, it would help to attract folk who want to work on stuff that's noticed
17:10:21 <highvoltage> dholbach: and suddenly we are getting around 10 e-mails a week from Edubuntu users
17:10:28 <pleia2> wow, nice :)
17:10:34 <dholbach> highvoltage, nice
17:10:45 <pleia2> highvoltage: where do these emails go? a mailing list or published anywhere?
17:10:52 <highvoltage> dholbach: some of them have really great ideas that I've tried to get them to post to edubuntu-users about, but they rarely do
17:11:28 <highvoltage> pleia2: no, unfortunately, that's why I want to get those interview going, it would be awesome to get it out in the open what some people are doing
17:11:29 <pleia2> (mostly I'm just curious, not questioning policy or anything :))
17:11:37 <highvoltage> sabdfl: indeed
17:11:38 <akgraner> This great work! highvoltage, alkisg stgraber are there any questions you have for the CC - anything you need from us specifically at this point in time?
17:12:03 <dholbach> highvoltage, maybe you should reply with something like "Would you mind if I share your suggestion with our users/developers?" and CC them, if they're OK with doing that ;-)
17:12:11 <akgraner> This *is* great work (I meant to type)
17:12:51 <highvoltage> sabdfl: earlier (I'm not sure if you were in the channel yet) I was talking about an interview I'm having with a school in Cape Town that's been running Ubuntu for 6 years now (I'm planning to get some nice video too), and I hope that that's the first in a line of them
17:13:33 <highvoltage> akgraner: I've submitted our list of nominations to the CC for the EC elections, I guess that's pretty much it
17:13:34 * YokoZar wonders if sabdfl is already familiar with that particular school...
17:13:38 <dholbach> this really is excellent work
17:13:41 <alkisg> If we were to have some dev support, I think the first need would be easy user + shared home management, maybe something like freeipa, that would make it easier for schools that don't have sysadmins. Other than that we have an LTS release ahead so we mostly focus on stability now :)
17:13:48 <highvoltage> we were planning to extend our term to 2 years after the first year
17:14:07 <highvoltage> I'm not sure if we need to formally do that in a CC meeting or if we could just update the wiki to reflect that
17:14:46 <highvoltage> the CEO of the company I work for said he'd round up the schools that we work with in Canada / US as well and let us interview them
17:15:05 <YokoZar> highvoltage: You mean you want the newly elected council members to serve 2 year terms and the next election would be during the next LTS cycle?
17:15:37 <highvoltage> so I hope that getting the word out will also help is get more Edubuntu contributors, so that maybe next time we won't have the same old people nominated for the EC (not that there's anything wrong with them, they're great)
17:16:08 <highvoltage> YokoZar: that's what was discussed a year ago, yes
17:16:29 <highvoltage> and news just in:
17:16:29 <highvoltage> 12:11 < skaet> stgraber, highvoltage - edubuntu alpha 1 is released.
17:16:48 <czajkowski> great stuff
17:16:52 <dholbach> you mentioned that there was little to do for the Edubuntu Council up until now? what did EC work involve? did you approve edubuntu members?
17:16:56 <highvoltage> sorry for all the blabbering :)
17:17:24 <highvoltage> dholbach: indeed, we've had very few applications though (I think it's been 2 over the last year (or was that 2 years))
17:17:26 <dholbach> highvoltage, thanks a lot for blabbering - it's great to get an insight into what's been going on
17:17:38 <akgraner> sounds like a plan are there any other questions of items of interest in relation to Edubuntu that needs to be address (Congrats on Alpha 1)
17:18:02 <YokoZar> My preference for elections is indeed two year terms and conducted during the LTS cycle when possible, that cadence seems to match up with other processes quite well
17:18:04 <highvoltage> it's an area we really want to improve on, but it's sometimes hard, especially since our interests are broad and are already stretched quite thin
17:18:21 <highvoltage> YokoZar: ok, great
17:18:36 <highvoltage> WebLive has also been quite successful. That's stgraber's pet project
17:18:52 <highvoltage> we've had more than 100000 people log in to try Edubuntu via their web browser so far
17:19:07 <highvoltage> (we actually hit 100k during UDS last month, so it's even higher now)
17:19:48 <highvoltage> For a bit longer term, perhaps 12.10, we might want to apply for some printed Edubuntu discs too for locos.
17:20:01 <highvoltage> distribution is hard, since we don't have printed CD's at the moment
17:20:07 <czajkowski> nods
17:20:15 <dholbach> so approving members was an EC task, was there anything else the EC had to deal with specifically?
17:20:20 <czajkowski> that might be a wiser choise then the Server cd that's sent imo
17:20:23 <highvoltage> we've made it slightly easier for 3rd party providers to have themselves known by adding them to http://edubuntu.org/marketplace
17:20:43 <highvoltage> it helps a little, but it would be nice to give a little more to locos.
17:20:53 <czajkowski> nods makes sense
17:21:04 <czajkowski> highvoltage: have you tried to reach out to locoteams?
17:21:08 <highvoltage> dholbach: technically if edubuntu-dev is in deadlock the issue would be escelated to edubuntu-council
17:21:12 * YokoZar wonders if printed LTS edubuntu CDs would be more useful to distribute during later cycles
17:21:28 <highvoltage> dholbach: but since we're the same people currently and since we usually pretty much agree, that hasn't happened yet
17:21:35 <dholbach> ok, I see
17:21:45 <YokoZar> how many of you work for the same company?
17:21:57 <dholbach> highvoltage, I'll put the 5 of you on my list to interview for the weekly dev update :)
17:22:08 <highvoltage> czajkowski: yep, we have. in some places we've had some success, some locos even run translated versions of the edubuntu website
17:22:30 <highvoltage> czajkowski: at one stage we had an edubuntu loco project, but it became cumborsome to maintain seperately and it merged with the ubuntu loco teams
17:22:35 <akgraner> dholbach, you want that as an action item?
17:22:47 <dholbach> akgraner, I added it to my TODO list already :)
17:22:49 <akgraner> k
17:23:04 <czajkowski> highvoltage: ok. thanks
17:23:05 <highvoltage> YokoZar: myself and mgariepy work for the same company. stgraber used to work for us but he got snagged by Canonical
17:23:38 <highvoltage> YokoZar: alkisg is a teacher from Greece and sbalneav works for a legal company that uses LTSP in Canada.
17:24:40 <highvoltage> so yes, I guess this was more of an Edubuntu update than an Edubuntu Council update, but we don't really have any complaints from our side
17:24:53 <sabdfl> useful nonetheless
17:25:01 <sabdfl> with some impressive, understated achievements
17:25:04 <sabdfl> well done
17:25:28 <highvoltage> thanks, I'll be sure to pass that on to the edubuntu-devel list :)
17:25:28 <alkisg> Thanks, and thanks for Ubuntu itself again. :)
17:25:44 <sabdfl> also, worth noting that you folk carry the ubuntu values very strongly, which is appreciated
17:25:44 <czajkowski> highvoltage: thank you for the detailed information it's been really interesting to learn about what edbuntu is doing
17:25:52 <akgraner> highvoltage, thank you!
17:26:19 <akgraner> moving on them unless anyone has anything else?
17:26:20 <dholbach> yes, this work is absolutely great - thanks a lot :)
17:27:00 <akgraner> Since it looks like the agenda only has the fixed items - lets look at open discussion for a few minutes...
17:27:11 <akgraner> #open Discussion - anything new from anyone?
17:27:25 <akgraner> #topic open discussion - anything new?
17:27:45 <YokoZar> Small note: still no response to my RT ticket ~ mailing list activity that I filed around UDS
17:27:58 <sabdfl> ticket number?
17:28:11 <dholbach> I can't quite remember what we decided in terms of the Planet Ubuntu update (old feeds)
17:28:52 <YokoZar> sabdfl: 18745
17:28:57 <AlanBell> dholbach: I emailed a spreadsheet of possible old feeds
17:29:05 <AlanBell> I need help tying them to people
17:29:20 <sabdfl> AlanBell, did that get blogged?
17:29:34 <AlanBell> not to my knowledge
17:29:35 <Gwaihir> dholbach, I prepared a stub to be published on the fridge, but never got published
17:29:48 <dholbach> AlanBell, alright, I'll have a look at my inbox again and see what we can do about it
17:29:55 <AlanBell> thanks dholbach
17:30:26 <akgraner> So do we need to review AlanBell's list  - and send out a notice to the planet then?
17:30:43 <pleia2> reviewing the list is on my todo list, sorry for not getting to it yet
17:30:53 <Gwaihir> akgraner, basically, yes
17:30:56 <AlanBell> yes, there are a heap of feeds and nicks that I don't recognise, they *could* be members
17:31:09 <dholbach> thanks AlanBell for your work on this
17:31:22 <AlanBell> I will do a commit to the planet conf file to correct a bunch of people I know to their actual launchpad names
17:31:38 <Gwaihir> pleia2, I might help with the review of the list, unfortunately, not before next week...
17:31:48 <akgraner> AlanBell, thanks!
17:31:50 <pleia2> Gwaihir: great, thanks :) there is no rush
17:32:02 <akgraner> pleia2, let me know if I can help  - but after Monday please...
17:32:13 <Gwaihir> pleia2, ok
17:32:21 <pleia2> Gwaihir: do you have an account on fridge? Or you can just email me your draft
17:33:01 <Gwaihir> pleia2, no account, I can email the draft, np
17:33:07 <pleia2> great
17:33:15 <dholbach> also on the topic of Planet Ubuntu, dpm asked if we were OK to add the Translators Portal and App Dev Portal
17:33:34 <dholbach> maybe we can decide this now and I reply to his mail afterwards?
17:33:38 <pleia2> as long as an ubuntu member sponsors them I'm happy with those additions
17:33:39 <czajkowski> yup I've no issues with that
17:33:43 <Gwaihir> dholbach, I gave my +1 via email, I confirm it here
17:33:45 <akgraner> I think it's fine
17:33:46 <dholbach> +1 from me too
17:33:49 <YokoZar> pleia2: +1
17:33:50 <akgraner> +1 from me
17:33:50 <beuno> +1
17:33:52 <czajkowski> and as pleia2 says as long as an Ubuntu member sponsors it
17:34:01 * Gwaihir nods
17:34:02 <dholbach> ok, I'll mail him to go ahead
17:34:03 <dholbach> thanks
17:34:29 <akgraner> anything else not on the agenda we need to look at here?
17:36:46 <akgraner> ok if there is nothing else then we need to move to the final fixed agenda items
17:37:27 <akgraner> #topic - decide who will...
17:37:41 <akgraner> update CommunityCouncil/TeamReports updated.,
17:37:41 <akgraner> update the next meeting time on the wiki,
17:37:41 <akgraner> chair the next meeting,,
17:37:41 <akgraner> reference meeting log at MeetingLogs/CC.
17:38:02 <akgraner> I would like to put forth the idea that  whoever chairs handles the updates
17:38:09 <pleia2> I usually do all that, so I can if you want
17:38:15 <pleia2> or that :)
17:38:20 <czajkowski> heh
17:38:24 <akgraner> this way we all take turns doing it
17:38:29 <czajkowski> sounds fair
17:38:32 <dholbach> thanks a lot pleia2
17:38:35 <YokoZar> or pleia2 chairs forever ;)
17:38:38 <akgraner> plars, you rock!
17:38:48 <akgraner> pleia2, even
17:39:18 <ogra_> plars rocks too though :)
17:39:34 <sabdfl> +1 from me on the additions
17:39:36 <YokoZar> Regardless: thanks pleia2, and I agree that having a system where we know who will do it each time is correct
17:39:39 <ogra_> (not as much as pleia2 i admit :) )
17:39:42 <Gwaihir> sounds fair to me too
17:39:45 <plars> heh
17:39:46 <akgraner> so if that's the case I can handle the updates for today - and we just need to decide who will chair the next meeting on the 15th
17:40:22 <pleia2> thanks akgraner :)
17:40:22 <czajkowski> I can
17:40:45 <YokoZar> alphabetical by IRC nick :D
17:40:56 <akgraner> #action czajkowski to chair the December 15th, 2011 17:00UTC CC Meeting
17:40:56 * meetingology czajkowski to chair the December 15th, 2011 17:00UTC CC Meeting
17:40:57 <dholbach> thanks czajkowski
17:41:02 <czajkowski> np
17:41:12 <Gwaihir> thanks czajkowski
17:41:13 <akgraner> thanks czajkowski!
17:41:13 <czajkowski> YokoZar: just for that mister..
17:41:24 <YokoZar> nevermind I forgot beueno comes before czajkowski in the alphabet :D
17:41:36 * akgraner changes my IRC nick then
17:41:44 <akgraner> ok anything else folks?
17:41:54 * dholbach is all set
17:42:02 <beuno> YokoZar, but I chaired last time, so it works out!
17:42:02 <czajkowski> nope
17:42:11 <akgraner> alrighty then thanks everyone!
17:42:16 <akgraner> #endmeeting