#title #ubuntu-meeting Meeting Meeting started by pedro_ at 18:00:51 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-30-18.00.log.html . == Meeting summary == *Previous Actions *Engineering Team Bug Status *Other Topics ''ACTION:'' pedro_ to update wiki + send email re the BugSquad Meeting (pedro_, 18:35:44) *Chair Selection ''ACTION:'' bdmurray to chair next meeting (pedro_, 18:40:40) Meeting ended at 18:41:11 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * pedro_ to update wiki + send email re the BugSquad Meeting * bdmurray to chair next meeting == Action items, by person == * bdmurray ** bdmurray to chair next meeting * pedro_ ** pedro_ to update wiki + send email re the BugSquad Meeting == People present (lines said) == * pedro_ (44) * bdmurray (20) * gema (11) * nailora (7) * micahg (5) * meetingology (5) * njin (3) * ubottu (3) * alourie (3) * bil21al (2) * mfisch (1) * h01ger (1) * Ursinha (1) * janak_dev (1) * charlie-tca (1) * ogra_ (1) == Full Log == 18:00:51 #startmeeting 18:00:51 Meeting started Wed Nov 30 18:00:51 2011 UTC. The chair is pedro_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. 18:00:51 18:00:51 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 18:01:09 Welcome to our first Bugs meeting ! 18:01:22 o/ 18:01:23 as you might know the QA meeting was divided in two so this is the second part of it 18:01:41 * alourie is back 18:01:49 ah 18:01:52 missed it 18:01:56 The agenda can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meetings 18:02:08 is the bugs meeting weekly now at this time? the wiki is inconsistent on that 18:02:32 there's not much items there so if you have any please keep it for the 'Others topics' topic 18:03:03 mfisch, yeah we need to update it based on a discussion ie: should we keep the monthly bugsquad meeting or not? 18:03:16 ok so first topic 18:03:29 [TOPIC] Previous Actions 18:03:53 there was no previous actions so lets continue 18:04:02 [TOPIC] Engineering Team Bug Status 18:04:15 bdmurray, Ursinha anything you'd like to share? 18:04:35 nothing in particular :) 18:04:56 I fixed a bug yesterday which is a bit odd 18:05:01 bug 887705 18:05:03 Launchpad bug 887705 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "wrong warning about unsupported Ubuntu release when upgrading to precise" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/887705 18:05:30 The gist of it is that update-manager reads infromation from meta-release files on changelogs.ubuntu.com to determine what releases are supported etec 18:06:04 so while you see the bug in update-manager it requires a fix in those files 18:06:54 kind of wacky and I thought that might be good to know 18:07:38 I've also been working with cprofitt on a bug reporting workflow diagram 18:09:16 There may very well be duplicates of bug 894768 being reported 18:09:18 Launchpad bug 894768 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "Installation randomly fails with: File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/install_misc.py", line 621, in copy_file targetfh.write(buf) IOError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument " [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/894768 18:09:59 because it fails with different files bugs require manual inspection 18:10:08 that's all I have 18:10:36 i was pinged by our QA folks regarding a failures they were seeing during the upgrade testing 18:10:52 so in the end it was bug 893826 18:10:53 Launchpad bug 893826 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Precise) "symlinked docs are different between architectures, depending on dpkg-deb package order" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893826 18:11:08 it was fixed recently but worth keep an eye in case there's some dups 18:11:43 anything else, anyone ? 18:12:15 [TOPIC] Other Topics 18:12:23 o/ 18:12:30 gema, please go ahead 18:12:51 we (QA-platform team) are working on a new tagging scheme that will allow us to assess the quality of the automated testing, we are going to start using 18:13:09 these tags for the automated testing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/AutomatedTesting/TestingTypeAndBugTracking 18:13:26 just wanted to let you know we are going to be using them to be able to track things and generate reports for ISO testing 18:13:33 please, do not remove those tags :) 18:13:49 we haven't started, so if you have any suggestions, also welcome 18:13:53 .. 18:14:38 gema: Does "upgrade testing" mean distribution upgrade or package upgrade? 18:14:50 for now, it means distribution upgrade 18:14:55 we are not doing any package upgrade testing yet 18:14:55 o/ 18:15:33 nailora, stage is all yours 18:15:37 i sent a mail to the bugsquad mailing list yesterday https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2011-November/003552.html 18:15:48 (thanks gema!) 18:15:54 (np) 18:16:05 after pedos invitiation i thought it might be brought up here 18:16:50 (if you are not prepared, nevermind, i will be happy to get replies via email) 18:17:20 bascially it is about what to do about unsupported hardware and an overload of bug reports 18:19:03 hi 18:19:23 nailora: Have you heard of apport package hooks? 18:19:44 With these you can change the bug reporting experience for reporters 18:21:16 i do know a little bit about them, it might help to improve the situation for the future 18:21:45 is there any page for DebuggingScanners? like the DebuggingPrinting one? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems 18:22:11 nope 18:22:12 This would help gather the information for bugs and could prevent bug reporting 18:22:54 nailora, perhaps contact the developers/maintainers to help to create such page? that way you can also point reports there to start collecting more useful information 18:23:07 s/reports/reporters/g 18:24:33 i am in contact with the developer, and i will create some wiki pages, one as a landing page that can be cited in bug reports to explain why they are not that helpful and one similar to the page mentioned for printers 18:25:08 nailora, awesome, thank you 18:25:20 any other thoughts on nailora's topic? 18:25:27 I'll reply to the email later today 18:26:23 thanks bdmurray 18:26:27 I think its important to prevent bugs from coming in if that's really what you want 18:26:56 I mean you could close them all but they'll just come back 18:27:01 o/ 18:27:15 so have the reporting process be as informative as possible 18:27:37 micahg, please go ahead 18:27:51 so, this is about the simple scan bug thread right? 18:28:27 yes 18:29:58 ok, so I just wanted to point out that if there is a bug somewhere, that we should try to get it to the right place, open bugs isn't a problem as long as they're valid (i.e. if the problem is in SANE or some other component, move it to the right place), if it's truly not a bug, just configuration help or what not, then we can convert to question 18:30:48 .. 18:32:28 thanks micahg 18:32:42 I have a topic as well 18:33:34 since the meetings are now divided into Testing and Bugs , should we delete the Monthly BugSquad Meeting and start adding such topics to this one? 18:33:56 that makes sense to me 18:34:00 +1 18:34:11 sure 18:34:13 +1 18:34:17 +1 18:34:59 ogra_, i've been online too long today, i need to go afk.. sorry that i'll miss the meeting, have fun & good results! 18:35:06 ok sounds good, lets do it , i'll update the wiki page and send an email with the info 18:35:43 h01ger, heh, thanks, i'm not in edu stuff anymore though, but i'll tell the guys in #edubuntu 18:35:44 [ACTION] pedro_ to update wiki + send email re the BugSquad Meeting 18:35:44 * meetingology pedro_ to update wiki + send email re the BugSquad Meeting 18:36:49 and last for me, please notice that the Mentorship program is now closed 18:37:01 hggdh, sent an email about that https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2011-November/003550.html 18:37:10 thanks hggdh for taking care of it :-) 18:37:37 anything else? any extra topic? 18:38:23 seems not 18:38:29 pedro_: do you want to mentor me next mopnths ? 18:38:29 [TOPIC] Chair Selection 18:38:58 njin, we can 'all' mentor you, just ask in the #ubuntu-bugs channel :-) 18:39:09 :-) 18:39:17 so who'd like to chair the next meeting? 18:40:18 o/ 18:40:32 thanks bdmurray 18:40:40 [ACTION] bdmurray to chair next meeting 18:40:40 * meetingology bdmurray to chair next meeting 18:40:57 ok seems that's all for today 18:41:05 thanks all ! 18:41:11 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot)