#title #ubuntu-meeting Meeting Meeting started by NCommander at 15:00:03 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-17-15.00.log.html . == Meeting summary == ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2011/20111117 (NCommander, 15:00:47) *http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ubuntu-arm.html ''ACTION:'' ogra to smack status.u.c with skaet (NCommander, 15:05:07) ''LINK:'' https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-precise-arm-server (NCommander, 15:09:09) *ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) ''LINK:'' http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-preinstalled/current/ (NCommander, 15:13:30) *Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) *ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) *ARM Hardfloat status (infinity) *ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) *ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) *QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh) *Linaro Updates (rsalveti) *AOB Meeting ended at 16:00:42 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * ogra to smack status.u.c with skaet == Action items, by person == * skaet ** ogra to smack status.u.c with skaet == People present (lines said) == * ogra_ (89) * NCommander (46) * rsalveti (32) * janimo (31) * GrueMaster (28) * infinity (23) * ppisati (22) * cooloney (11) * davidm (5) * meetingology (4) * ahs3 (2) * lool (2) * plars (2) * skaet (2) * mrjazzcat (1) * cmagina (1) == Full Log == 15:00:03 #startmeeting 15:00:04 Meeting started Thu Nov 17 15:00:03 2011 UTC. The chair is NCommander. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. 15:00:04 15:00:04 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 15:00:14 Bah, 3 seconds late :-( 15:00:47 [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2011/20111117 15:00:58 so who's here? 15:01:07 * janimo waves 15:01:12 * mrjazzcat is here 15:01:12 * ogra_ pretends to 15:02:14 * ahs3 may or may not be here 15:02:21 cooloney, ! 15:02:24 good to see you 15:02:28 * rsalveti waves 15:02:31 ogra_: thx, man. 15:02:38 * davidm waves 15:02:40 * cooloney waves 15:02:53 morning davidm cooloney rsalveti mrjazzcat janimo and ahs3 15:03:00 * GrueMaster is propped up in a corner with a large mug of coffee. 15:03:10 * cmagina waves 15:03:21 * NCommander is wondering if he'll ever see the sun again 15:03:24 [topic] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ubuntu-arm.html 15:03:46 so I grouped all the specs into two topic specs; one for ARM server, and a general one 15:03:55 But only one is showing up, anyone know who needs to be prodded? 15:04:12 I have no WIs there apparently 15:04:21 NCommander, talk with skate 15:04:21 NCommander, they need the blueprints accurate with WI's before they show up. 15:04:22 but both infinity and Adam Conrad do 15:04:32 skaet: they're there :-/ 15:04:43 NCommander - all they syntax correct? 15:04:45 NCommander, action me with it 15:04:53 * davidm thinks his fingers are still not working correctly 15:04:57 I do not exclude the pssibility of getting the syntax of the WI entries wrong again 15:05:06 i'll take care of it with pitti on monday if all specs are 100% there 15:05:07 [action] ogra to smack status.u.c with skaet 15:05:07 * meetingology ogra to smack status.u.c with skaet 15:05:27 *everyone* spec deadline is tomorrow !!!! 15:05:35 make sure to have all your WIs in 15:05:44 and to have david approve them !!! 15:06:07 if anyone needs help drafting specs, poke me 15:07:36 Anyone needs a spec approved poke me today in the next 4 hours 15:07:46 even if unfinished ? 15:08:00 well i have all my WIs but not the text complete yet 15:09:05 I find the LP depednency tree really becomes useless after a LOT ofspecsareadded 15:09:09 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-precise-arm-server 15:09:35 (I can't turn up the zoom enough to even read the names) 15:10:17 NCommander, stop reading it on your cellphone :P 15:10:18 heh 15:10:47 janimo: I can't even read it on my external monitor 15:11:27 anyway, anything else on specs/status? 15:11:31 get a projector ! 15:11:55 * NCommander should add a spec 'if-you-can-read-this-you-dont-need-glasses' 15:12:14 move ? 15:12:20 mv 15:12:21 [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) 15:12:36 Nothing to report 15:13:03 well, we did manage to build server images 15:13:13 last cycle you mean 15:13:28 :) 15:13:30 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-preinstalled/current/ 15:13:31 have they built recently? 15:13:34 No,this cycle 15:13:38 heh 15:13:47 well, indeed, why shouldnt they build 15:14:05 how about alternate, didnt we want to do some testing with that = 15:14:07 ? 15:14:29 or did we decide that netinst suffices ? 15:14:38 We? As it "Build more stuff for GrueMaster to test"? Ok 15:14:45 I know janimo wanted some live images, but I don't think we've tried to build alternates 15:14:52 s/it/in 15:14:55 * NCommander thinks we need to clone GrueMaster 15:15:18 NCommander, only for servre indeed ... no deskto alternates :) 15:15:25 NCommander, btw I got a live img from ogra yesterday, needs fixing but a good first step 15:15:28 but we dont need to 15:15:28 Bad idea. I refuse to share my coffee mug. 15:15:41 janimo, i'll bring that up in the image topic 15:15:52 GrueMaster: we can clone the mug too. We have the technology 15:15:53 GrueMaster, two straws, come on 15:16:09 NCommander, mv ? 15:16:17 I did more testing on the live image. Having a hard time getting it to be recognized on one large vfat partition by the boot firmware. 15:16:23 [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) 15:16:57 nothing new to report except for the usual SRU kernels 15:17:07 i'm preparing the first P omap4 kernle 15:17:11 *kernel 15:17:23 oh, i am working on an internal ARM project. shall i talk here? 15:17:27 Excellent. 15:17:28 still the same code as in O/omap4 but we a big config review/change 15:17:33 ppisati: cool 15:17:41 omap4 should be much close to master now 15:17:50 new ac100 kernel uploaded to precise, SRU with speaker fix uploaded to oneiric 15:17:51 *closer 15:18:03 both 2.6.38 based still 15:18:13 ppisati: I also need to ping you later this morning about kernel SRU security failures I am seeing. 15:18:16 janimo: noone is working on 3.x kernels? 15:18:32 GrueMaster: impossible! our kernels are perfect! :) 15:18:43 ppisati, upstream does, but does not consider it stable enough yet 15:18:50 we'll get there for 12.04 though 15:18:52 janimo: i see 15:19:02 janimo, heh, high hopes 15:19:13 upstream is based on chromeos tree which is 3.0 only 15:19:22 not sure if we can make 3.2 this cycle, ut at least 3.0 15:19:23 * ppisati would like to work on that (since i finally got the cable and the stuff to hack a serial console in( 15:19:40 ppisati, #ac100 on freenode :) 15:19:50 ppisati: serial console on the ac100? 15:19:56 guys dont forget ac100 is a spare time project this cycle 15:20:01 right 15:20:03 janimo: i know, but i've to finish some other stuff first... unfortunately... :( 15:20:07 we cant put much work time in 15:20:13 NCommander: yep 15:20:26 NCommander: https://picasaweb.google.com/107597647635512051759/AC100SerialPortModification?gsessionid=ot7C1HbZg5CPWzwsGXXpZw# 15:21:01 but didn't solder it yet (and my gfriend will be here this weekend too... so no spare time...) 15:21:04 I never realized how tiny the ac100 main board is 15:21:09 anyway, moving on 15:21:21 [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) 15:21:24 ppisati, if you fry your board or something, ping me, i got a free ac100 with broken kbd here 15:21:35 FTBFS list is shockingly happy for week 3(?) of archive open 15:21:36 thats good for parts :) 15:21:37 * ppisati knocks wood... 15:21:40 tended to a few ftbfs packages 15:21:48 about 4 of them in main 15:22:01 what about chromium ... did anyone take a look at that ? 15:22:18 not me, only firefox 15:22:27 i know there are linaro people looking into it too and micahg is desparate to get help 15:22:42 but there seems to be no conversation between the two 15:22:50 we should help to get that going 15:22:54 maybe he should hang out on #linaro? 15:23:26 chromium is a pita because its build system is very unlike others and needs quite a learning curve 15:23:27 probably 15:23:36 yeah, agreed 15:24:08 anything else? 15:24:31 mv 15:24:40 I haven't tested on armel yet, but perl seems sad on armhf/smp. 15:24:58 infinity, we have an hf topic now 15:25:03 keep that for it :) 15:25:09 Yes, but this isn't hf-specific, I'm sure. :P 15:25:15 [topic] ARM Hardfloat status (infinity) 15:25:24 But okay. 15:25:35 heh 15:25:49 so where do we stand ? 15:26:25 Perl's (still) grinding through its testsuite on my mx53, but seems happier than the panda that's been stalled on one test for ~20 hours. 15:26:55 and once thats done we will have autobiuilds magically ? 15:26:59 Python rdeps still need to shake out, and I have a couple of things to rebuild in Essential to move their linker ref, and then the chroot can go to the librariar. 15:27:13 librarian too. 15:27:58 sounds like we're nearly there \o/ 15:28:07 I'd told people "Tuesday" before, but it seems I underestimated how slow my machines are (or, how nasty glib2.0 and perl are on slow hardware anyway) 15:28:25 cant you abuse some buildds in the DC ? 15:28:29 infinity: You mentioned perl may have issues on armel. Give me a testcase and I can start it spinning here. 15:28:44 ogra_: I can't parallelise single builds terribly well. 15:28:46 on hf/smp 15:28:58 infinity, bah, learn it :P 15:29:06 yeah, understood :) 15:29:10 ogra_: hf/smp is confirmed, I'm betting sf/smp will have the same problem. 15:29:21 ah 15:29:28 * ogra_ didnt catch that 15:29:54 GrueMaster: debootstrap --variant=buildd precise, build perl 5.14.2 on a panda. See if testsuite hangs indefinitely on dist/Thread-Semaphore/t/01_basic 15:30:31 Will add it to jenkins for logging. 15:31:31 janimo: riku is trying to fix the ftbfs at chromium, to be able to cross build it 15:31:44 rsalveti, yeah, thats what i meant 15:31:46 rsajdok, that is great 15:31:53 rsalveti, :) 15:31:57 rsalveti, do you knwo if he already talked to micah? 15:32:05 (i asked him to= 15:32:16 ogra_: not sure yet, need to ping him 15:32:38 (if i cant tab rikus nick i'm always lost) 15:33:00 (else i would have mentioned him above :) ) 15:33:06 ogra_: suihkulokki :-) 15:33:07 Haha. 15:33:08 trivial 15:33:30 yeah, indeed, i'm such a whiner :P 15:33:34 :) 15:34:05 We could all name ourselves after beagle buildds. 15:34:14 Or babbage, rather. 15:34:16 lol 15:34:24 anoncaeaeaeae 15:34:52 i prefer to panda then, heh 15:35:04 * GrueMaster becomes gruecaeaeaeaeae 15:35:10 NCommander, mv ? 15:35:21 [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) 15:35:29 preinstalled look fine 15:35:35 live not so much :( 15:36:01 i managed to build one manually yesterday but capser is unhappy 15:36:18 janimo is still researching ... we found some missing kernel options though 15:36:43 or rather differences in squashfs options ... but that doesnt necessarily mean thay cause the issue 15:37:10 I took the live image and mangled it into one large vfat partition, but the panda wasn't happy (refused to find MLO). Will retry later today. 15:37:11 so some more research is needed 15:37:28 i can hand you a new test kernel in a couple of hours 15:37:32 GrueMaster, the ext4 should actually be fine 15:37:43 probably sometime bit rotted badly since lucid 15:37:44 casper has code for handling that, we checked 15:37:51 Actually, both partitions are vfat. 15:38:03 NCommander, well, we are missing compression support for squashfs in the kernel 15:38:16 so that should be the first thing we eleminate 15:38:26 ppisati, even if the kernel is not the issue we should still have omep4 kernel aligned with ubuntu sauce 15:38:34 if that is not already I case of course 15:39:08 agreed 15:39:13 that's a WI from UDS anyway so no extra work :) 15:39:54 Yes. Alignment would be good. Kernel SRU tests currently fail because of being out of alignment. 15:40:18 GrueMaster: i can beleive it 15:40:30 omap4 and master were hundreds of options away 15:40:39 ugh 15:40:53 * NCommander smacks head on desk 15:41:07 since the inception of omap4 we always had a config that was closer to vanilla than to ubuntu 15:41:52 Actually, it dates back earlier than that. I have found discrepancies on Dove and babbage before. 15:42:45 i remember at least two UDSes where lool and i approached the kernel team about that 15:42:57 happy it finally happens :) 15:43:18 you didn't bring enough booze with out then :) 15:43:24 lol 15:43:25 s/out/you/ 15:43:58 NCommander, mv ? 15:44:08 [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) 15:44:19 wow 15:44:28 twice as many images this time :P 15:44:31 NCommander, mv ? 15:44:33 :P 15:44:47 * NCommander beats ogra_ 15:44:49 [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh) 15:45:28 Hey, that's me. 15:45:33 Sure is! 15:45:47 smells like 15:45:49 Steady work on getting kernel-SRU test automation running in Jenkins. 15:46:13 GrueMaster, is there a public url for this jenkins instance? 15:46:33 So far, reimaging of either Oneiric or Precise works very well. Still some tweaks to make, but the process takes ~15-20 minutes. 15:46:53 I will push jenkins results to jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com in the near future. 15:47:53 I have also been working with the security team to get the qa-regression-testsuite running properly on arm and make it easier to automate. 15:48:08 GrueMaster: the OMAP ROM will insist that your partition type matches your FS type; that is, if it's FAT32, you need partition type 0xc; I don't remember offhand the FAT16 type, but you get the idea 15:48:33 you also want to make sure you have the bootable flag set on your FAT partition 15:48:35 Still need to figure out a way to auto-install Maverick and Natty on omap4 for SRU testing, but a few ideas are being explored. 15:49:11 lool: That may be it. I didn't spend much time on it. Will check after meetings. thks. 15:49:20 One of many tasks for today. 15:49:39 anything else? 15:49:50 mv :) 15:49:56 Automating netinstall is the easiest. Next will be to automate the server preinstalled images. 15:50:02 [topic] Linaro Updates (rsalveti) 15:50:09 * rsalveti waves 15:50:26 the milestone we're closing this week: https://launchpad.net/linaro-dev-platform/+milestone/11.11 15:50:33 a few important things we did 15:50:48 u-boot-linaro spl usb booting for panda is finally done by jcrigby 15:51:00 GrueMaster this will work the same way as omap4boot 15:51:06 but using the official u-boot for it 15:51:22 Excellent. 15:51:24 proper instructions and etc will be released next week, once we finish the 11.11 release 15:51:50 rsalveti: done? 15:51:55 riku fixed a bunch of packages for multi-arch enablement, but still needs to send the changes to ubuntu 15:52:03 he was finally able to cross build firefox with multi-arch 15:52:21 smagoun will be happy to hear that 15:52:31 he's now looking into chromium to see if we'll be able to also cross build it 15:52:51 next month we're planning to work pushing most of the changes, as for now it was more a experiment 15:52:52 Being able to built it at all would be a start. ;) 15:53:01 s/built/build/ 15:53:05 yup 15:53:11 ++ 15:53:14 other than that we're also enabling the precise images now 15:53:25 and hope to have them also enabled at lava soon 15:53:28 intrestingly there are armel debs at google somewheer 15:53:35 of v14 or even 15 15:53:36 rsalveti, is there a list of MA enabled packages being worked on? 15:53:46 Yeah, jbailey builds chrome for arm. 15:53:49 and something I'd like to talk with you guys later is how to use lava to help testing the ubuntu images 15:53:53 Or chromium. Or both. I always forget. 15:53:57 ah 15:54:08 rsalveti: You know Jeff? Could be worth poking him. 15:54:10 janimo: sure, 1 sec 15:54:10 well those may be native builds no? 15:54:11 rsalveti: It would be nice if your teams could figure out a way to get u-boot into automated testing. 15:54:22 GrueMaster: that's in progress 15:54:26 janimo: I'm sure they're native, but we can't build native right now either. :P 15:54:35 a lot of discussions with plars about it 15:54:43 janimo: https://launchpad.net/~linaro-maintainers/+archive/staging-overlay 15:54:47 infinity, well we sometimes can :) 15:54:51 janimo: mostly the ones changed by riku 15:55:11 janimo: also a few others at our overlay ppa 15:55:14 rsalveti, these imply upstream pushing I suppose 15:55:32 janimo: yup, work for our next cycle 15:55:41 rsalveti: is there any final release from linaro based on 3.1 kernel? i think every month you guys will release once 15:55:47 Libo would be a great candidate 15:55:55 rsalveti: or will move to 3.2 sometime 15:56:00 cooloney: yes, linux-linaro 3.1 for 11.11 was already released 15:56:02 cooloney, there are no final releases from linaro :P 15:56:07 for now we're still on 3.1 15:56:10 its all rolling 15:56:14 but we should be using tip soon 15:56:26 got it, thanks 15:56:39 * cooloney thinks 11.11 is good name for release 15:56:40 and marcin also pushed a few fixes for the cross toolchain packages 15:56:45 that's all from my side 15:57:29 [topic] AOB 15:58:20 * cooloney asks what's AOB for? 15:58:50 All Other Business? 15:58:55 Or Any. 15:58:58 any other bubblingupstuff 15:58:58 yep 15:58:58 GrueMaster: we're looking at building some devices that would make it easier for us to do that 15:59:02 But a bit of a joke with 2 minutes to go. ;) 15:59:10 infinity: got it. 15:59:40 plars: cool. 15:59:41 GrueMaster: but I thought you already had this solved for your purposes with usbboot on panda? 16:00:13 plars: I was mainly thinking of beaglexm. Still have network issues there. 16:00:25 we're overtime, so if there's anything urgent, please say it now quickly, else I'll close the meeting 16:00:29 And I only have 1 system. 16:00:37 NCommander, close 16:00:42 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot)