15:07:02 #startmeeting 15:07:02 Meeting started Wed Sep 21 15:07:02 2011 UTC. The chair is slangasek. 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[Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13021 15:09:14 jhunt is on vac, right? so its my turn 15:09:18 mvo: yep 15:09:20 executive summary: lots of bugfixing work 15:09:20 software-center: debug/fix multiarch native/foreign hidding (#830508), discuss/prototype unity friendly review stats (lp:~mvo/software-center/review-stats-as-dbm-for-unity-with-best-regards), work with davmor2 on license-key tesitng, debug/fix crash on xubuntu (#854087), debug/fix software-center a-x-i db rebuild bug (#798632), fix db reopen bug when new stuff is added to the database (like via s-c-agent), do not log sensitive oauth token st 15:09:20 uff to the console, do add offer NoDisplay=true as add-to-launcher (#844837), fix UI issue when fetching for more reviews (#848480), fix installed view show/hide nonapps, debug/workaround silly gtk3 width-for-height management bug with gtk.Alignment, retire the gtk2 code into lp:~mvo/software-center/retire-gtk2, branch merges 15:09:21 apt: debug/fix broken private-ppa adding on 401 on https, debug/fix broken Translations-$lang fetching fallback, cherry pick fixes from the debian-sid branch 15:09:24 command-not-found: review/merge https://code.launchpad.net/~zkrynicki/command-not-found/fix-839609/+merge/75440 15:09:27 beta2: upgrade testing, ran head-first into cups hang #854490 and add some debug info 15:09:29 debug/fix gnome-codec-install multiarch issue (#851481) 15:09:31 aptdaemon: cherry-pick/review/upload new bzr snapshot to fix two high profile crashers (#812023, #846044) 15:09:36 misc: fixes in unattended-upgrades, apt-ddtp, apt-clone, fix some FTBFS 15:10:13 EOF 15:10:17 mvo: did you see the recent report that trying to install a foreign-arch deb via s-c doesn't work? 15:10:25 bug #854839 15:10:27 Launchpad bug 854839 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Skype i386 fails to install on Oneiric 64bit" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854839 15:10:37 slangasek: meh, let me look 15:11:15 slangasek: aha, I think this is actually a bug in python-apts debfile handling 15:11:23 that should be trivial (famous last words ;) 15:11:48 its a downloaded deb 15:11:53 yep 15:12:29 are upgrade tests working better now with the cups change? 15:12:52 yes, one success around lunchtime so far 15:13:05 then I got sidetracked by unity and the need to share some review data with them 15:13:13 great (the success, not the sidetracking) :) 15:13:49 but I will run the next one now 15:14:07 cool 15:14:10 my go 15:14:15 honestly I think this task should be taken over by QA officially, jibel is doing a better job then me anyway 15:14:42 sure, it does fit better in QA... are the two of you duplicating effort right now? 15:15:11 I would not call it duplication, but we do both test upgrades 15:15:22 * slangasek nods 15:15:23 probably using slightly different scenarios etc 15:18:39 enabled flicker-free boot for lightdm (bug #849954); if you're still seeing boot-time flickering, please file bugs; found a race condition in shutdown when more than one dm is installed (like lightdm + gdm) that causes the spinning-dots-on-text issue, fixes staged for post-beta, but I also just saw the bug again here with the fixed packages so there's another race I haven't found; traipsing through plymouth code to try to find the bug 15:18:40 Launchpad bug 849954 in plymouth (Ubuntu Oneiric) "FFe: enable flicker-free boot with lightdm" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/849954 15:18:45 ... loop that's still causing people to see segfaults, can't spot the bug and can't reproduce it, so if anybody else can and wants to be remote hands, let me know 15:18:59 flicker free++ 15:19:36 slangasek: I still saw flickering at boot time when plymouth started but I'm on dual-head so it's very likely the problem 15:20:10 slangasek: boot-time flickering != login-time flickering, right? 15:20:26 updates done for ca-certificates to fix a regression in openssl's ability to verify certificates (bug #854927), then spent yesterday scrambling to fix ca-certificates-java when this provoked deletion of libnss3 on the systems of users having -java installed (bug #855171, bug #855246) 15:20:28 Launchpad bug 854927 in openssl (Ubuntu Oneiric) "c_rehash creating bogus links to ca-certificates.crt" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854927 15:20:29 Launchpad bug 855171 in ca-certificates-java (Ubuntu) "libnss3.so went missing after upgrade" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855171 15:20:30 slangasek: grub only starts on my laptop, then plymouth starts on both displays, the transition between the two causes a black screen on my laptop's monitor 15:20:31 done 15:20:31 Launchpad bug 855246 in ca-certificates-java (Ubuntu Oneiric) "ca-certificates 20110502+nmu1ubuntu3 (and ca-certificates-java 20110912ubuntu2): Exception in thread "main" java.security.ProviderException: Could not initialize NSS" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855246 15:21:09 stgraber: right, single->dual head might always give a flicker... but can you test with the external monitor disconnected? 15:21:27 slangasek: yep, will test that 15:21:35 fwiw, *I'm* still getting a flicker there... dunno what it is 15:21:43 - Fixed bug 838068 (APs going away when trying to query their properties) 15:21:43 - Fixed the installer panel and ported to GTK3 15:21:44 - Fixed setting the desktop wallpaper by writing a small C helper. 15:21:44 - ISO and Wubi testing 15:21:45 - Fixed bug 852054 (advanced partitioning link doesn't work) 15:21:45 - Fixed bug 837406 (installer window sizing issue) 15:21:45 - Fixed bug 848938 (online/offline handling in ubiquity) 15:21:46 - Expenses for Plumbers and travel for UDS. 15:21:46 - Fixed ubiquity tests and uploaded a new version. 15:21:47 - Further discussion with Gema (QA) on installer bugs. 15:21:47 - Fixed a bug in lupin that prevented a grub configuration being generated for 15:21:47 wubi disk images. 15:21:47 - Fixed biosdevname and libpci for Dell and OEM services. 15:21:48 Launchpad bug 838068 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "ubiquity crashed with DBusException in call_blocking(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "Get" with signature "ss" on interface "org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" doesn't exist" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838068 15:21:48 - Taught Wubi and lupin to create swap space for disk image installs. 15:21:51 Launchpad bug 852054 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "During installation process: Clicking "advanced partitioning tool" won't open partitioning tool" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/852054 15:21:52 Launchpad bug 837406 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "installer dialogue buttons fall off bottom of the screen on netbooks with small displays" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/837406 15:21:53 Launchpad bug 848938 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) ""Download updates" unavailable after connecting to WiFi" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848938 15:22:18 did that get cuff off somewhere? 15:22:24 should end with (done) 15:22:55 ev: last line was "- Taught Wubi and lupin..." 15:23:19 - Finally merged my Wubi test branch. 15:23:21 - Fixed bug 848000 (Don't show the battery warning on desktops). 15:23:22 Launchpad bug 848000 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Shouldn't show "should be plugged in" when on a desktop" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848000 15:23:22 (done) 15:24:13 * slangasek plugs a battery in to his desktop 15:24:35 - IPv6 testing 15:24:36 - Switched from generating kvm instances to using LXC (so we can test on ARM) 15:24:39 - Managed to get debian-installer running in a container 15:24:41 - Implemented a basic test suite for netcfg 15:24:44 - Now trying to figure out why one of the tests doesn't pass and will then have that code running daily 15:24:47 - Next up is NM automated testing which should be a lot easier than netcfg 15:24:52 - Worked around bug 838809 by restoring pre-oneiric behaviour of not starting open-iscsi when root is on iscsi and filed bug 850960 for the actual problem 15:24:56 - Uploaded new friendly-recovery fixing quite a bunch of bugs 15:24:58 Launchpad bug 838809 in open-iscsi (Ubuntu Oneiric) "authenticated and unauthenicated iscsi clients fails to complete boot" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838809 15:24:59 - Quite a few more pre-beta freeze uploads (last minute seed change for Edubuntu and some bugfixes/translations update) 15:25:02 - Starting poking at the ISO tracker code, trying to port it to Drupal 7 and get LP authentication working (while waiting for IPv6 test results) 15:25:05 Launchpad bug 850960 in open-iscsi (Ubuntu) "iscsid tries to reconnect existing session at startup, failing to do so and hanging the system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850960 15:25:05 - TODO 15:25:07 - Edubuntu ISO testing (haven't had a beta2 candidate yet, hopefully won't need much fixing) 15:25:14 - Finish the automated IPv6 testing and push the code somewhere 15:25:16 - Get WebLive up and running for Oneiric (both full sessions from edubuntu.org and single app export in software-center) 15:25:20 - Still need to spend more time trying to get TPM working in a PPA 15:25:22 (done) 15:27:08 so no ISO tracker migration to django this cycle? :) 15:27:34 I think everyone agrees that we shouldn't mess too much with the tracker for an LTS :) 15:28:10 cjohnston: 15:28:13 oops 15:28:27 but if someone wants to rewrite it, we have quite a few nice specs that we worked on at the past 6 or so UDSes :) 15:28:29 ah, we've lost cjwatson 15:28:32 doko: 15:28:35 he just sent me a text 15:28:38 he's having ADSL problems 15:28:51 ev: doh - thanks 15:28:59 - ~110 uploads to fix ftbfs (still didn't catch cjwatson's karma ;) 15:28:59 - sponsored ~20 ftbfs uploads 15:28:59 - package removals for ftbfs 15:28:59 - arm test rebuild did finish 15:28:59 - binutils upload to fix regression with --as-needed/-flto and --fopenmp/-flto 15:29:06 he's not sure if he'll be back for the meeting, but he has an engineer booked for the morn' 15:30:13 (done) 15:31:15 doko: I saw skaet asking for more info about the binutils upload; did you two come to an agreement about getting this in? 15:32:00 slangasek, I did reply, but never got an answer 15:32:07 ok 15:33:02 [TOPIC] Bugs 15:33:57 since Brian couldn't be here, he asked me to cover a few things with bugs 15:34:20 we have another new report up tracking stale bugs that are marked "in progress": 15:34:24 [LINK] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/foundations-bugs/canonical-foundations-old-in-progress-bug-tasks.html 15:34:49 defined as a bug that's been in progress more than a month 15:34:57 cjwatson: hi there - http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/foundations-bugs/canonical-foundations-old-in-progress-bug-tasks.html 15:35:24 cjwatson: you've just missed the lightning round; do you want to report now? 15:36:41 maybe not :) 15:36:58 so, in-progress bugs - I'd like us to take just a couple minutes to go through these quickly and see where they are 15:37:08 hi 15:37:17 sorry, was waiting for feedback in ... #ubuntu-release ;-) 15:37:18 and see if they should be unassigned or set back to 'triaged' instead 15:37:21 some more FTBFS work 15:37:21 grub2: fixed missing licence declaration that broke hwmatch (850202) 15:37:21 curl/xmlrpc-c: helped out server team with adding udebs (831496) 15:37:21 os-prober: belatedly merged Surbhi's btrfs work (764893) 15:37:21 installer: translation updates; fixed some IPv6 bugs spotted by Stéphane; fixed failure to set up multiarch correctly (853738); fixed ubiquity test failures 15:37:25 lsb: fixed amd64 symlink bug spotted by Till (638450) 15:37:27 live-build: backported ext4 support for ARM team (803547) 15:37:30 xdeb: fixing up to work properly on oneiric; fixing various bugs that have crept in; merges; made multiarch code only trigger if multiarch is configured appropriately; trying to fix dependency resolver 15:37:34 ubuntu-archive-tools: sprucing up iso.qa posting support with the aim of adding auto-posting to cdimage 15:37:37 looking at creating InRelease files to reduce archive skew problems - apparently some security concerns though 15:37:40 switched to unity-2d; rather fewer desktop slowness problems now 15:37:42 having intermittent ADSL router problems; engineer visit scheduled for tomorrow morning 15:37:46 coming down with something; please only expect minimal supply of brainpower 15:37:50 .. 15:38:16 cjwatson: thanks 15:39:03 bug #341876 - ev, mpt assigned this to you and marked it in progress, is that accurate? 15:39:04 Launchpad bug 341876 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[Feature Request] Setup WiFi" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/341876 15:39:39 slangasek: it's done, fixing :) 15:39:49 ok :) 15:39:57 I've set the three I know about back to Triaged 15:40:09 bug #434173 - mvo? 15:40:11 Launchpad bug 434173 in update-manager (Ubuntu Karmic) "[karmic] Regression from 9.04 in getting fully translated Ubuntu installation" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434173 15:40:13 which is regrettably probably more accurate 15:40:22 probably not in progress for karmic anymore, at least... 15:40:30 slangasek: I need to re-read this one 15:40:38 although bug 441941 is arguably generally done and should have individual failures filed as separate bugs, but it's a swamp of a bug ... 15:40:40 Launchpad bug 441941 in grub2 (Ubuntu Maverick) "grub fails after running Windows" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/441941 15:41:06 mvo: ok, take your time :) 15:42:02 and the last one then is for jhunt; will check in with him later 15:42:24 other bugs on bdmurray's radar: 15:42:27 bug #839584 15:42:28 Launchpad bug 839584 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "package ubuntu-desktop 1.242 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: dependency problems with unity-2d" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/839584 15:42:34 slangasek: I think i need to embed a copy of the check-language-support script 15:42:53 * mvo puts it on his todo 15:42:59 mvo: well, the immediate question is, is it really "in progress" or should we mark it as something more realistic like "triaged" 15:44:19 bug #839584 is a bit mysterious, I suspect its a failure in the apt ordering code actually which is pretty nasty 15:44:20 Launchpad bug 839584 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "package ubuntu-desktop 1.242 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: dependency problems with unity-2d" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/839584 15:44:21 mvo: the log in bug #839584 confuses me... it seems to be trying to configure ubuntu-desktop before installing the dependencies, which isn't supposed to happen 15:44:26 right 15:44:31 exactly 15:44:45 should we triage that over to apt? 15:44:59 we have in debian-experimental the result of SoC work in the ordering code that adds a extra verification step to ensure this does not happen 15:45:32 but there is regression risk here, I would not want to merge this just now (even though the new code had a good bunch of runs through various upgrade scenarios) 15:45:44 right 15:45:59 let's not rip out the package manager's guts post-beta ;) 15:46:06 exactly 15:46:17 I reassign to apt 15:46:30 thanks 15:46:32 I will also try to reprodue with apt-clone 15:46:51 next, bug #852128 15:46:52 Launchpad bug 852128 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Poor performance while "Calculating changes"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/852128 15:47:00 mvo gets all the fun bugs 15:47:15 meh 15:47:27 this one looks like it might be pretty easy to fix for oneiric, though... 15:47:37 anyone *other* than mvo interested in having a look at it? 15:48:02 that is (again) a apt issue I think 15:49:35 but an apt bug that doesn't require fiddling with resolver code. Not the highest priority bug either, but if someone wants to take a swing at it, feel free 15:49:37 hm, or maybe not, I have look, 15:50:02 last one: bug #839662 15:50:03 Launchpad bug 839662 in man-db (Ubuntu) "package man-db 2.6.0.2-2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/839662 15:50:14 a non-apt bug, wooooh 15:50:21 yes, merely a debconf bug :) 15:50:39 cjwatson: is this error familiar? 15:50:40 debconf: DbDriver "config": rename failed: Is a directory 15:50:45 huh, that's a new one on me 15:52:03 I suspect fs corruption, but have posted asking for more details 15:52:16 ok 15:52:19 thanks 15:52:22 [TOPIC] AOB 15:52:26 anything else? 15:53:14 is anyone here seeing crash reports from plymouthd? 15:53:36 we get plenty of duplicate reports, but I have no idea what the common element is :/ 15:54:47 ev, cjwatson: rickspencer3 was saying yesterday that he was having trouble installing from USB with the daily; was this a known issue (to you)? 15:54:56 nope 15:55:02 bug reports welcome 15:55:06 * slangasek nods 15:55:09 I'll circle around 15:55:13 thanks 15:56:16 #endmeeting