#title #ubuntu-meeting Meeting Meeting started by ogra_ at 15:08:36 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-11-15.08.log.html . == Meeting summary == ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110811 doesnt exist (ogra_, 15:10:12) *standing items ''LINK:'' http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html (ogra_, 15:11:34) ''LINK:'' http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-beta-1.html (ogra_, 15:11:51) ''ACTION:'' ogra to update WI tracker with new team name (ogra_, 15:15:03) *ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2011/20110811 (NCommander, 15:15:20) *Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) *ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) ''ACTION:'' janimo to look at libvirt after FF (ogra_, 15:26:57) *ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) *QA Status (GrueMaster) *AOB Meeting ended at 15:45:53 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * ogra to update WI tracker with new team name * janimo to look at libvirt after FF == Action items, by person == * janimo ** janimo to look at libvirt after FF == People present (lines said) == * ogra_ (118) * infinity (21) * janimo (21) * GrueMaster (16) * meetingology (11) * NCommander (10) * cjwatson (7) * davidm (3) == Full Log == 15:08:36 #startmeeting 15:08:36 Meeting started Thu Aug 11 15:08:36 2011 UTC. The chair is ogra_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. 15:08:36 Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting. 15:08:47 hmm, i dont have the urls handy, gimme a sec 15:10:08 grmbl 15:10:12 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110811 doesnt exist 15:10:55 so i only have action items from a week ago 15:11:03 i'll skip these for now ... 15:11:19 [topic] standing items 15:11:19 TOPIC: standing items 15:11:34 http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html 15:11:51 http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-beta-1.html 15:12:29 try http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-arm-ubuntu-11.10-beta-1.html 15:12:46 The first graph seems more broken than I remember it. 15:13:20 hmm, i still have to update the WI tracker code to pick up the new name 15:13:39 * NCommander coughs a lng up 15:13:42 *lung 15:13:43 i guess that causes the weird graphs ... bear with me, its on my todo for after mx5 and ac100 have landed 15:14:12 NCommander, do you remember any action items from last week ? (there was no wikipage and i dont remember them) 15:14:33 ogra_: there's a wikipage, I sent the link out in the reminder email 15:14:38 anyway.... 15:15:03 [action] ogra to update WI tracker with new team name 15:15:03 * meetingology ogra to update WI tracker with new team name 15:15:18 [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) 15:15:18 TOPIC: ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) 15:15:20 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2011/20110811 15:15:42 oh whay is that arm now 15:15:53 the others are all at /MobileTeam/Meeting/ 15:15:56 Because all the wiki pages were rearranged 15:15:58 up to last week 15:16:02 k 15:16:12 anyway, how is the server looking ? 15:17:02 Server images themselves work pretty well, though I found a bug that occurs duringnetwork setup if you don't have internet access 15:17:18 That's unique to ARM? 15:17:24 how was the LCX summit wrt arm stuff ? 15:17:29 *LXC 15:17:31 LXC is semi-foobared on omap4 due to kernel configuration issues, but a new kernel was uploaded yesterday to help to resolve it 15:17:55 I'll be confirming LXC works out of the box when I can stop hacking up a lung 15:17:57 funny that these werent taken over from .38 15:18:15 iirc all these options were enabled in .38 already 15:18:17 ogra_: .38 had the same missing bits. 15:18:37 ah, k 15:18:53 just because the USER_NS bug was fix released already 15:19:45 anything else for server ? 15:19:57 . 15:19:59 . 15:20:01 . 15:20:05 moving on 15:20:11 [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) 15:20:11 TOPIC: Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) 15:20:19 neither is here 15:20:44 anyone else got something for kernel (apart from the above wrt server) 15:20:54 should upload the linaro mx kernel today 15:21:06 sponsor it for linaro 15:21:11 mahmoh is constantly cpmplaining that we have no omap4 srever flavour 15:21:17 I ran into a snag with ipsec because of missing kernel bits. 15:21:28 Should be fixed with latest kernel upload. 15:21:37 yeah 15:22:09 I'm not convinced we need a -server kernel for a product that's essential a proof-of-concept, but... 15:22:13 davidm, do we have any plans to make kernel teams life harder this release with an -omap4-server kernel ? 15:22:15 If omap4 were a server product, I would see where having a server kernel would be nice. 15:22:20 infinity, i agree 15:22:30 ogra_, I do not have any such plans 15:22:36 good :) 15:22:48 anything else for kernel ? 15:22:55 . 15:22:58 . 15:23:01 . 15:23:04 moving on 15:23:08 yep 15:23:16 [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) 15:23:16 TOPIC: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) 15:23:28 the ftbfs list looks awful 15:23:39 nothing to report aside from the occasional givebacks to LP 15:23:40 i nearly fell off my chair today when i checked it 15:23:52 ogra_, hmm it seemed to me it was usual 15:23:55 * janimo checks again 15:23:57 Yeah, now that we're (well, sometime today) in FeatureFreeze, I'm jumping into FTBFS head-first. 15:23:58 wasnt someone looking into ocaml three weeks ago ? 15:24:27 more than one person. NCommander and linaro gcc folk 15:24:28 NCommander was poking ocaml with a pointy stick. 15:24:46 And if/when that gets fixed, we can clean up a lot of our mess. 15:24:48 might have left some holes ... but no fix :) 15:24:55 right 15:25:05 emacs is not ARM specific but just happened to be a timing issue, likewise is server team. libvirt is new FTBFS 15:25:06 I made some progress with ocaml but no fix 15:25:19 yeah, and libvirt is weird 15:25:37 any progress with the panda cluster? That would also clean up the list quite a bit 15:25:44 cjwatson came by in #ubuntu-arm asking about it ... i tried a local build and that fails in even earlier tests 15:26:12 so another pair of eyes on libvirt would be appreciated 15:26:14 ogra_, I'll take a look at libvirt if noone else got it 15:26:36 and probably a build with the last change rolled back to see if its introduced through that (which i think is unlikely) 15:26:57 [action] janimo to look at libvirt after FF 15:26:57 * meetingology janimo to look at libvirt after FF 15:27:06 anything else ? 15:27:09 . 15:27:13 . 15:27:17 . 15:27:19 moving on 15:27:20 * janimo bets on gcc 15:27:37 [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) 15:27:37 TOPIC: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) 15:27:42 awful ! 15:28:23 the livefs builders committed suicide, x86 had livecd-rootfs removed and the archive is totally out of sync 15:28:55 Ouch 15:29:22 Yeah, the word of the day is "special". 15:29:27 i was (trying to) working on the ac100 iamges ssince monday but instead of coding i'm actiually fighting the archive churn 15:29:28 But none of the special is ARM-specific. 15:29:31 least A3 was last week 15:29:45 infinity, the chrun is ports specific as usual 15:29:51 livecd-rootfs has been put back, FWIW, and measures taken to stop that happening again 15:30:12 and it gets really annoying that i have to spend three days on the archive to actually be able to produce 1-2h of code work 15:30:26 That might explain why my mirror decided to puke. 15:30:27 ogra_: Well, the unity churn was an issue (and I smacked that until it got fixed), but the ubuntu-one screwup was out of our hands, for instance. And the livecd-rootfs thing. 15:30:49 I'm afraid to say that *somebody* has to spend that time on the archive at some point or stuff doesn't get fixed, in aggregate ... 15:31:06 infinity, well, the ubuntuone breakage was fixed with a seed change and meta upload 15:31:35 i was just to frustrated yesterday to actually do it, but it should be solved now 15:31:40 ogra_: Oh, they don't intend to reintroduce the gnome client? The changelog seemed to indicate differently. 15:31:43 Grr. 15:31:48 i dont care 15:31:48 cjwatson: *nod* 15:31:58 if it comes back i'll happily seed it again 15:32:20 FWIW you didn't actually have to change the seeds - rebuilding ubuntu-meta would have sufficed 15:32:26 but really, we need to get that archive skew thing fixed, thats why i'm moaning 15:32:39 and that would mean it would automatically revert if the package is reintroduced 15:32:50 cjwatson: Rebuilding meta would have dropped ubuntuone entirely, if it was being pulled in by the non-existant package. 15:32:52 indeed 15:32:57 true 15:33:27 but ogra's seed change was *only* to comment out ubuntuone-client-gnome 15:33:32 Oh. :) 15:33:33 anyway, i think we are burning lots of manhours fighting the archive issues every release ... just felt like mentioning it once again 15:33:34 Yeah, I didn't look. 15:33:36 for future reference rebuilding ubuntu-meta would've been enough 15:34:01 ogra_: Now that we're past FF, I'll be keeping a closer eye on archive stuff for us. 15:34:12 Well, almost past. Whatever. 15:34:14 infinity, and how would that help ? 15:34:16 * infinity looks at a clock. 15:34:22 you cant remove the sync issues 15:34:35 ogra_: Because catching things as they're a problem is much better than letting them stack up for two days and become an unresolvable mess? 15:35:06 sure, but thats just curing the symptoms (as we do since 3 years) 15:35:09 anyway 15:35:14 lets move 15:35:21 unless anyone else has something for image 15:35:24 . 15:35:27 . 15:35:29 . 15:35:33 moving on 15:35:44 [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) 15:35:44 TOPIC: QA Status (GrueMaster) 15:36:12 Landscape testing works well. Running the qa entropy script now, expect results in two weeks. 15:36:24 heh 15:36:43 Plug in a keyboard and hire a cat to walk on it. 15:36:54 My mirror is slowly being rebuilt, so until it finishes I can't do much automation. 15:37:17 so much entropy from that rsync activity going to waste 15:37:52 The entropy test is a server workitem. 15:38:31 Will look into iSCSI or LAVA today. Haven't decided which will be more exciting. 15:38:54 Especially given that I can't reimage with netinstall atm. 15:39:35 Nothing else to report. 15:39:56 any questions ? else i'll move to AOB 15:40:02 . 15:40:05 . 15:40:07 . 15:40:10 moving on 15:40:16 [topic] AOB 15:40:16 TOPIC: AOB 15:40:30 so seeing #linaro there are some changes ahead for us 15:40:41 seems x-loader gets dropped 15:40:51 from where? 15:40:52 which means we need to adjust the image builders 15:41:01 janimo, by linaro 15:41:05 can omap boot without it? 15:41:14 What are they replacing it with? 15:41:17 they roll a u-boot that can run without x-loader 15:41:31 ah 15:41:32 see #linaro for further info ... 15:41:32 getting rid of software wothout losing features is good 15:41:42 i just felt that fits into AOB :) 15:41:50 first time I hear about it 15:41:54 me too 15:42:10 just wanted to mention that debian-cd will need adjustment 15:42:15 and jasper probably too 15:42:22 It will be interesting to see if it works. 15:42:26 thats all from my side 15:42:28 ah getting rid of the debian package for xloader 15:42:36 but still need MLO on the disk 15:42:49 Considering the 2nd stage needs to fit in 64k and u-boot is 227k. 15:42:56 I was hoping they found a way to not use a bootloader to load a bootloader to load a bootloader as now 15:43:11 there is a solution 15:43:24 you can add a binary header to the u-boot binary 15:43:37 Oh. They're combining x-loader & u-boot into one package with 2 binaries? Make sense. 15:43:37 there are some docs on omappedia about that 15:44:11 anyway, no need to discuss details in the meeting, we just need to make the builder changes at the same time the package change 15:44:21 and it looks like that will happen after FF 15:44:24 are they planning it in the oneiric timeframe? 15:44:30 ok 15:44:34 yeah 15:44:44 there was talk about an FFe 15:44:50 anything else ? 15:44:53 . 15:44:55 . 15:44:58 . 15:45:02 interesting conqequences of having 6 months vs 1 month release cycles project working on similar things :) 15:45:13 heh, yeah 15:45:21 going once 15:45:26 twice .... 15:45:46 ... sold to the dogowning QA guy in portland 15:45:53 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.4 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot)