== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-meeting-2 Meeting, 07 Apr at 17:31 — 18:28 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2015/ubuntu-meeting-2.2015-04-07-17.31.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

''ACTION:'' bregma to stimulate interest in unity 8 dektop help guide.
''ACTION:'' bregma to create project plan for unity 8 dektop help guide.
''ACTION:'' pmatulis: adjust wiki and banner meeting times.



== Vote results ==




== Action items, by person ==

 * bregma
  * bregma to stimulate interest in unity 8 dektop help guide.
  * bregma to create project plan for unity 8 dektop help guide.
 * pmatulis
  * pmatulis: adjust wiki and banner meeting times.



== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * dsmythies (52)
 * bregma (24)
 * GunnarHj (23)
 * pmatulis (10)
 * meetingology (7)
 * imnichol (1)
 * pleia2 (1)



== Full Log ==


 17:31 <dsmythies> #startmeeting

 17:31 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Apr  7 17:31:12 2015 UTC.  The chair is dsmythies. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 17:31 <meetingology> 

 17:31 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 17:31 <dsmythies> #chair dsmythies GunnarHj

 17:31 <meetingology> Current chairs: GunnarHj dsmythies

 17:31 <dsmythies> Who is here for the doc team meeting?

 17:31 <bregma> o/

 17:32 <GunnarHj> o/

 17:32 <dsmythies> GunnarHJ: I made you a chair person

 17:32 <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Saw it. You are fast today. :)

 17:33 <dsmythies> we will wait a moment for ian

 17:34 <dsmythies> O.K. ian is here. let's start.

 17:35 <dsmythies> Just to report on some stuff rraom the last month: We did point releases of the 12.04 and 14.04 serverguides.

 17:35 <dsmythies> And Gunnar has been getting 15.04 desktop guide ready for release day.

 17:36 <GunnarHj> Except for the translations (due Thursday)

 17:37 <dsmythies> Anybody want to comment of any other activites from last month?

 17:37 <dsmythies> O.K. moving on...

 17:38 <dsmythies> from old actions, Hannie isn't here, so we'll leave that one. Gunnar, care to comment on desktop slidehsow?

 17:39 <GunnarHj> Not much to say. It will be done in vivid+.

 17:39 <dsmythies> ... just reading the bug report... Oh, ya. O.K.

 17:40 <dsmythies> other old actions done, so let's go to new business.

 17:41 <dsmythies> Desktop and Unity 8: I know nothing about setting up a new project. Nor do I have the capacity to take on such a project.

 17:42 <bregma> I have an interest in contributing (and I cna probably set up a project) but I am not a writer

 17:42 <bregma> also, the Unity 8 desktop will be in flux for the next several months

 17:43 <bregma> but I would like to see a start on the guide (or equivalent) earlier rather than later

 17:43 <GunnarHj> bregma: What does "in flux" mean?

 17:43 <dsmythies> before we go into a new project, should we access if there is enought interest from people willing to contribute?

 17:43 <bregma> I do not believe the final appearance (or event functionality) is fully decided yet

 17:44 <GunnarHj> ok.

 17:44 <dsmythies> assess instead access

 17:44 <GunnarHj> As I mentioned on list, my main concern is the seemingly lack of contributors in the team.

 17:45 <dsmythies> Agree.

 17:45 <bregma> I think there are some people in Canonical's Desktop team who can be tasked with making some contributions, but none of them are writers

 17:46 <bregma> I do believe there is buy-in there, though

 17:46 <dsmythies> bregma: Please know that I am not a writer either. I just seem to have stumbled into this roll.

 17:47 <bregma> OK

 17:47 <GunnarHj> bregma: If you look at the desktop branch, you can see that the number of contributors lately is *very* limited. It's kind of a crisis.

 17:48 <bregma> I don't really want to see a new desktop environment rolled out without some sort of guide, so my question is:  how can we drum up enough contribution interest from the community?

 17:48 <dsmythies> We have fought with that question for years.

 17:48 <bregma> indeed

 17:49 <GunnarHj> Possibly the fact that it is a new desktop env. will make a difference - but I'm not sure.

 17:49 <bregma> the fact that the desktop has been fairly unchanged for several years means there hasn't been a lot for contributors to do

 17:50 <bregma> perhaps getting Canonical's community team to help drum up interest through their usual social media stuff would be a good start?

 17:50 <GunnarHj> When Unity 7 was new, Jeremy Bicha did an amazing amount of work. But wasn't he a Canonical emploee at the time?

 17:51 <dsmythies> O.K. Sounds like a significant project. It will need a champion.

 17:52 <dsmythies> bregma: you willing to take the lead?

 17:52 <bregma> I am willing to volunteer, but I have no idea about any doc development workflow, so I would need guidance with that

 17:53 <dsmythies> We have spent significant time of recent getting our wiki pages up to date.

 17:53 <GunnarHj> bregma: We can certainly help with the workflow part. It would be great if you could announce the need on the list as a starter.

 17:54 <bregma> sure, sounds good

 17:55 <dsmythies> for doc workflow, suggest the you start by learning how to work within the exisiting desktop help enviroment.

 17:56 <dsmythies> what is the timeline for this unity 8?

 17:56 <bregma> actually, I'm familiar with that, as far as building docs in various formats locally and getting changes in, but the rest is only a vague handwaving thing in my mind

 17:56 <GunnarHj> bregma: Is the plan to create a totally separate set of docs for Unity 8?

 17:57 <GunnarHj> bregma: Should it be distributed as a package, or only on the web?

 17:57 <bregma> I would go for a totally separate doc, yes, since for at least a while you can have either or both installed on your system at the same time

 17:57 <bregma> and the timeline for replacing Unity 7 with Unity 8 is not yet clear

 17:58 <GunnarHj> Ok, that speaks for basically creating a skeleton branch based on the ubuntu-docs branch.

 17:58 <pmatulis> hi guys

 17:58 <dsmythies> Oh, so eventually the current dektop help will not continue.

 17:58 <bregma> yeah, that was my first thought

 17:59 <dsmythies> pmatulis: Hi. we are on Unity 8 stuff.

 17:59 <pmatulis> ok, sorry for being late

 17:59 <bregma> yes, eventually I expect Unity 7 will not be included in newer versions of Ubuntu, so neither will the docs

 17:59 <dsmythies> GunnarHj: Sound like the new stuff will need to be a package.

 18:00 <bregma> is that how the Unity 7 docs get installed today, as a package?

 18:00 <GunnarHj> bregma: Yes.

 18:00 <GunnarHj> bregma: (and on the web)

 18:01 <bregma> then separate guides in separate packages is the easiest approach, and something I know how to do

 18:02 <GunnarHj> bregma: For Unity 7 we are using Mallard.

 18:03 <dsmythies> bregma: can I set action for you to drum up interest and detail some sort of project plan? The timeline is future sometime T.B.D.

 18:04 <bregma> dsmythies, yes please, I will take repsonsibility and the timeline will be to target an initial version for release in 15.10

 18:05 <dsmythies> #action bregma to stimulate interest in unity 8 dektop help guide.

 18:05 * meetingology bregma to stimulate interest in unity 8 dektop help guide.

 18:05 <dsmythies> #action bregma to create project plan for unity 8 dektop help guide.

 18:05 * meetingology bregma to create project plan for unity 8 dektop help guide.

 18:06 <dsmythies> bregma: I think you will find an initial target of 15.10 aggressive.

 18:06 <imnichol> bregma, I'm not incredibly knowledgeable about this process, but if you need help with anything I'd be willing to assist.

 18:07 <bregma> thanks

 18:08 <dsmythies> are we done with unity 8 discussion?

 18:08 <GunnarHj> Think so.

 18:10 <dsmythies> I will try to have 15.04 preliminary help.ubuntu.com content by early next week. I always like to do preliminaty first, so as to identify surprises, so that release day is smooth.

 18:10 * bregma nods

 18:11 <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Is "10.10" in the agenda a typo?

 18:12 <dsmythies> No. 10.10 EOL (Serverguide) is end of April.

 18:12 <dsmythies> the plan is to move to it once 15.04 final is done.

 18:12 <dsmythies> Oh. I mean 10.04

 18:13 <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Thought so. ;)

 18:14 <dsmythies> I'll fix agenda later.

 18:14 <dsmythies> pmatulis: I mentioned the point releases of serverguide earlier.

 18:15 <dsmythies> Anything from serverguide or manual or wiki?

 18:16 <GunnarHj> Let's move to the meeting time.

 18:17 <dsmythies> pmatulis: Does the change to daylight savings time affect your preferred meeting time?

 18:17 <pmatulis> dsmythies: hi

 18:17 <pmatulis> dsmythies: in a meeting :) .  playing hooky here

 18:18 <pmatulis> dsmythies: so if it is 30 min earlier *now* i will be good

 18:18 <pmatulis> dsmythies: but yeah, in the winter i would be 1 hour behind

 18:18 <pmatulis> dsmythies: so i guess that mean 90 minutes earlier

 18:19 <pmatulis> dsmythies: or did i get that backwards?  :)

 18:20 <dsmythies> O.K. I am confused. so are you saying 17:00 would be bteer for you? or are you saying 16:00 would be better for you? Do others have input?

 18:20 <GunnarHj> I'm flexible.

 18:20 <dsmythies> I'm flexible.

 18:21 <pmatulis> dsmythies: 16:00

 18:21 <dsmythies> O.K. that is 8:00 a.m. my time, which is fine.

 18:22 <dsmythies> and in winter that would be 7:00 a.m. my time, which is still fine.

 18:24 <pmatulis> alright, action me to change the wiki?

 18:24 <dsmythies> I believe pleia2 is also on the west coast of North America, and 7 might be a little early for her.

 18:24 <dsmythies> O.K. ;ets try it.

 18:24 <dsmythies> O.K. lets try it.

 18:25 <dsmythies> #action pmatulis: adjust wiki and banner meeting times.

 18:25 * meetingology pmatulis: adjust wiki and banner meeting times.

 18:26 <dsmythies> O.K. anything else anybody?

 18:27 <pleia2> I am west coast, but I struggle to attend these meetings anyway, so please do whatever works for all of you

 18:27 <GunnarHj> I don't have anything else. (Already in another IRC meeting.)

 18:27 <dsmythies> pleia2: O.K. thanks for chiming in.

 18:28 <dsmythies> O.K> I'll end the meeting.

 18:28 <dsmythies> #endmeeting



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