21:08 <amjjawad> #startmeeting [UU-Cycle] Ubuntu GNOME Weekly Meeting #3 21:08 <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Jul 6 21:08:56 2014 UTC. The chair is amjjawad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 21:08 <meetingology> 21:08 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 21:10 <amjjawad> okay, so it seems I'm the only one here?! 21:15 <cla_> hello 21:16 <amjjawad> cla_, hi :) 21:17 <amjjawad> Noskcaj, darkxst are you there?! 21:17 <cla_> i am from argetina using ubuntu 14! 21:17 <amjjawad> cla_, welcome and good to know that :) 21:18 <amjjawad> Good luck with your match with Netherlands :D 21:19 <amjjawad> Hmm, can't find anyone ... we have our weekly meeting for Ubuntu GNOME but guess no one is here :( too bad, too sad. 21:19 <cla_> you are kind 21:19 <amjjawad> cla_, , thank you :) are you using Ubuntu GNOME?! 21:19 <cla_> I used it it looks very good 21:20 <amjjawad> cla_, I'm glad to know that :) 21:20 <cla_> i ve got several pc using it 21:20 <amjjawad> amazing 21:20 <cla_> mine is using pardus 21:20 <amjjawad> cla_, see this http://ubuntugnome.org/learn-about-ubuntu-gnome-community/ 21:21 <cla_> ok 21:22 <cla_> i haven't got any mistake 21:23 <amjjawad> that is great to know 21:23 <amjjawad> the link I sent you is useful, I'd suggest to add that to your bookmarks :) 21:23 <cla_> i wanted to say hello, i gat to leave! 21:23 <amjjawad> cla_, that is so kind and nice of you :) feel free to join our mailing list or IRC channel :) 21:24 <cla_> bye bye 21:24 <satya> hola 21:25 <amjjawad> satya, finally!! 21:25 <satya> :) 21:25 <amjjawad> I was about to KILL YOU ALL :P 21:25 <satya> why? 21:25 <amjjawad> I'm here for 20 mins :( 21:25 <satya> who else is? 21:25 <amjjawad> why? hmmm, maybe because we have a meeting? :D 21:25 <amjjawad> we're alone ... 21:26 <satya> really??? 21:26 <amjjawad> I sent an email ... it seems everyone is ZzZz 21:26 <satya> hmm... 21:26 <amjjawad> okay, let's start 21:26 <satya> yup 21:26 <amjjawad> I will end it on time which is after 35mins 21:26 <satya> sure 21:26 <amjjawad> #topic Artwork 21:27 <amjjawad> so, Mr. Acting :P 21:27 <amjjawad> any update? 21:27 <amjjawad> hope you didn't forget that you're acting TL now :D 21:27 <satya> nothing. but alfredo had sent you an email 21:27 <satya> nope. I remember 21:27 <amjjawad> right, which I had no time to read :( I just saw the subject :( 21:28 <satya> oh, they were the website mockups 21:28 <satya> so if you approve, we can proceed to the work 21:28 <amjjawad> I'm reading now 21:28 <satya> nicey 21:28 <amjjawad> I'm done with reading but didn't open the mockups yet 21:28 <amjjawad> we can't vote now :( it is just me and you 21:28 <amjjawad> hmmm, it is good idea to play the bad guy here heheheh 21:29 <satya> yeah. no issues :D 21:29 <amjjawad> they didn't attend so I will vote :P 21:29 <amjjawad> just kidding 21:29 <satya> lol 21:29 <amjjawad> hehehe 21:29 <satya> could we also get votes through the ML? 21:30 <amjjawad> satya, interesting = http://cl.ly/image/0Y2S3F0B0O3B/o 21:31 <satya> loading 21:31 <amjjawad> satya, yeah, why not but here is faster and easier 21:31 <satya> where? 21:31 <amjjawad> here 21:31 <amjjawad> here is better 21:31 <amjjawad> the idea is nice 21:32 <amjjawad> but I guess we can do better? 21:32 <amjjawad> I have few points to share if I may :) 21:32 <satya> yeah, sure. would be nice 21:32 <amjjawad> (1) the current theme/color we're using ... this is the default for 14.04 ... what if we change that for 14.10 and 15.04 and so on? 21:33 <amjjawad> my point is, why not have something that can be used always without the need to change it every cycle? 21:33 <satya> we need a consistent brand color and theme 21:33 <amjjawad> why? 21:33 <satya> alfredo had a document with the color guidelines 21:33 <amjjawad> satya, I shall not approve the use of the same wallpaper for 14.10 :P :P 21:33 <satya> because we need to be consistent to be recognizable 21:34 <amjjawad> satya, okay, but I hope you see my point 21:34 <amjjawad> kidding aside, the current wallpaper is for UG 14.04 21:34 <amjjawad> am I right? 21:34 <satya> it's not about the wallpaper, but the color palette. if you are talking about the strip there, I guess we can update it every release or so 21:35 <amjjawad> I'm talking about the wallpaper of the website 21:35 <satya> or have an image which is not the wallpaper 21:35 <satya> yeah, I get it, the strip below the header 21:35 <amjjawad> yep 21:35 <amjjawad> satya, that is the one, phew :D 21:36 <amjjawad> are we going to change that every 6 months? here is the Q 21:36 <satya> so, here is the idea, either use a completely separate image, or change it every 6 months 21:36 <amjjawad> hmm 21:36 <satya> using a different image is a good idea 21:36 <amjjawad> I can't even use my full authority now :D 21:36 <satya> but that must represent Ubuntu GNOME somehow 21:36 <amjjawad> I can't vote for that alone 21:37 <ahoneybun> o/ 21:37 <satya> hello ahoneybun 21:37 <amjjawad> ahoneybun, hey :) 21:37 <ahoneybun> hey satya amjjawad 21:37 <amjjawad> :) 21:37 <amjjawad> satya, okay, I won't be the stubborn leader :D I'll be easy going 21:38 <satya> so, amjjwad, we can perhaps take the votes through mailing list, since more people can vote there? 21:38 <amjjawad> #action decide on the mailing list whether to use a wallpaper that refer to Ubuntu GNOME and change that every 6 months OR have one that remains without the need to change it every cycle 21:38 * meetingology decide on the mailing list whether to use a wallpaper that refer to Ubuntu GNOME and change that every 6 months OR have one that remains without the need to change it every cycle 21:38 <amjjawad> satya, done ;) 21:39 <satya> great :) 21:39 <satya> also, about the mockups, I would love if there were 2-3 different types, but you know, designing is not an easy task 21:39 <satya> it requires time, and we have very little 21:39 <amjjawad> satya, you guys are 'not' supposed to do it alone :( 21:39 <amjjawad> here is an issue that we had last cycle 21:39 <amjjawad> I have asked your team to communicate :( 21:39 <satya> yes? 21:40 <amjjawad> yet, it i snot happening :( 21:40 <satya> communicate about what? 21:40 <amjjawad> you're acting now. If you need anything, you can ask me or Alfredo or Tim 21:40 <satya> or to whom? 21:40 <amjjawad> Communicate with those who are supposed to work on the new website design :( 21:40 <satya> yup. sure. 21:40 <amjjawad> and the rest of the team. 21:41 <amjjawad> I don't want to but the burden on your shoulders alone, this is not fair. 21:41 <amjjawad> and you just stated that you guys have little time :( 21:41 <satya> yeah, but again, we sent it to the ML too. 21:41 <amjjawad> hmmm 21:41 <amjjawad> that is the problem 21:41 <satya> that we need a design 21:41 <amjjawad> you sent it to Artwork ML 21:42 <amjjawad> not the 'main' one 21:42 <satya> I sent the mockup to Artwork ML to get the internal feedback first 21:42 <amjjawad> anyway, I'd love the idea of having 3 different designs to choose from 21:42 <amjjawad> I know 21:42 <amjjawad> you need the feedback for your design 21:42 <amjjawad> we need 2 more :) 21:43 <amjjawad> okay, how long time do we have for this? 21:43 <satya> now that alfredo and me have the designs, we can send it to the main ML, and get feedback 21:43 <amjjawad> I don't think the website has anything to do with feature freeze or whatever? 21:43 <amjjawad> I must check that with darkxst 21:43 <satya> I'm not sure, but I think Neil had said he will be busier in coming days 21:43 <amjjawad> #action amjjawad satya to check with darkxst about the time we have for Ubuntu GNOME website 21:43 * meetingology amjjawad satya to check with darkxst about the time we have for Ubuntu GNOME website 21:43 <satya> he can do the work, but it'll be little slower 21:44 <amjjawad> action point logged 21:44 <amjjawad> if we have time until the end of this cycle, that would be great, I guess 21:44 <amjjawad> what do you think? 21:45 <satya> yeah, I would prefer the redesign to happen before the release 21:45 <satya> I have to ask Neil how fast he can finish it 21:45 <satya> but first, I've to get feedback 21:45 <amjjawad> Neil will do one design, I guess? 21:45 <amjjawad> Okay, back to our team design (yours) 21:46 <satya> Neil will code the website 21:46 <amjjawad> I like the idea ... simple and short ... but can we do better? I rate it 7/10 maybe 21:46 <amjjawad> I'm still not happy with two tabs for docs 21:46 <satya> so, what's your idea? 21:47 <amjjawad> one tab, just like the community tab 21:47 <satya> the two tabs for FAQ and Documentation serve a simple purpose, to make the FAQ more accessible 21:47 <amjjawad> wait please 21:47 <amjjawad> the current website has: 21:47 <amjjawad> 6 tabs 21:48 <amjjawad> Home - Screenshots - Docs - Download - Getting Involved - Contact Us 21:48 * satya is checking the current one 21:48 <amjjawad> http://ubuntugnome.org/ 21:49 <satya> yeh, when you hover over "Documentation", 2 links appear 21:49 <satya> "FAQ" and "Wiki" 21:49 <amjjawad> indeed :) 21:49 <satya> hover is not something that is available in phones and tablets 21:49 <amjjawad> that is why I'm asking to merge (on the new design) both FAQs and Wiki 21:50 <satya> yeah, but hover is not available on all devices, so it hurts accessibility 21:50 <amjjawad> those who click Docs should find 'FAQs' and 'Wiki' - just like what you guys did with Community 21:50 <amjjawad> No hover 21:50 <amjjawad> just like what you did with Community on the new design :) 21:51 <satya> that will mean a complex navigation with menu and submenu 21:51 <amjjawad> satya, :( 21:51 <satya> in the mobile view, we would already have the navigation menu collapsed into one icon 21:51 <amjjawad> you're not seeing my point 21:52 <amjjawad> satya, see this please http://cl.ly/image/0Y2S3F0B0O3B 21:52 <amjjawad> why you merged the two tabs here? 21:52 <amjjawad> while you don't want to do the same with FAQs and Wiki ? 21:52 * satya is checking 21:54 <satya> FAQ and Wiki are totally different. They have lots of content. Getting involved and contact us are short. I don't mind if they are separate though 21:54 <satya> but merging them doesn't do any harm 21:54 <satya> FAQ will be like one page long 21:55 <amjjawad> satya, Wiki will have nothing but links :) in fact, one link to our Wiki Area so it is FAQ that will have some teext 21:55 <amjjawad> yes and that is all what we need :) 21:55 <satya> yeah, that "Documentation" is meant to just link to the "Wiki" page, AFAIK 21:56 <satya> isn't it? 21:56 <amjjawad> satya, :D 21:56 <amjjawad> you're too sleepy :P 21:56 <satya> :) 21:56 <amjjawad> I wish I could draw that and show you 21:56 <amjjawad> that is why I love google hangout 21:57 <satya> yeah, that would help me understand 21:57 <amjjawad> if we were using it, that would be easier for me to explain 21:57 <amjjawad> okay, let's decide that later 21:57 <satya> yup. please draw one, so I can better understand 21:57 <amjjawad> #action amjjawad satya and the rest of the team to decide about merging Wiki and FAQs under one tab called Docs with the new design 21:57 * meetingology amjjawad satya and the rest of the team to decide about merging Wiki and FAQs under one tab called Docs with the new design 21:57 <satya> right now, seems I'm confused 21:58 <amjjawad> I know 21:58 <amjjawad> so let's leave it for now 21:58 <amjjawad> anything else before we end the meeting? 21:58 <amjjawad> what I do love about the new design is the bottom :D 21:58 <amjjawad> footer 21:58 <amjjawad> it is WOW 21:59 <satya> yeah, alfredo wanted to have a beautiful footer : 21:59 <satya> : 21:59 <satya> :D 21:59 <amjjawad> yeah, it is so nice 21:59 <satya> so, apart from the navigation bar, what else? 22:00 <amjjawad> the bar + the wallpapers 22:00 <amjjawad> that is all for now 22:00 <amjjawad> it is nice and simple 22:00 <satya> ok. about a slideshow, we don't want a slideshow as it will not work properly on a mobile device 22:00 <amjjawad> #action we should have 3 different designs for the new website not only one 22:00 * meetingology we should have 3 different designs for the new website not only one 22:00 <amjjawad> satya, -1 for slideshow 22:01 <amjjawad> #action no slidesshow nor heavy stuff on the new website design 22:01 * meetingology no slidesshow nor heavy stuff on the new website design 22:01 <satya> so, I'll send a mail to the main ML tomorrow with the current mockups, and our requirements if someone wants to submit new mockups 22:01 <amjjawad> what else? 22:01 <amjjawad> good call :D 22:02 <satya> about including themes 22:02 <amjjawad> #action satya to send an email to the general mailing list about the mockups UG Artwork Team has done 22:02 * meetingology satya to send an email to the general mailing list about the mockups UG Artwork Team has done 22:02 <amjjawad> okay, what else? 22:02 <satya> including themes :) 22:02 <amjjawad> a side from the notes I have discussed, I don't have any other problem with the design :D 22:02 <amjjawad> themes? 22:02 <amjjawad> what themes? website themes? 22:03 <satya> no, GTK themes 22:03 <satya> to include in the default installation 22:03 <satya> last time we talked about having moka and numix 22:04 <amjjawad> right 22:05 <amjjawad> I don't mind anything nice 22:05 <amjjawad> but I do want UG to have some themes by default 22:05 <satya> so, should I proceed to talk with Sam Hewitt about having Moka? 22:05 <amjjawad> we already agreed about that last meeting 22:05 <amjjawad> Ohh, Sam 22:05 <amjjawad> hehe 22:05 <satya> :) 22:05 <amjjawad> he had once negative feedback about UG 22:06 <amjjawad> but I guess nothing personal 22:06 <amjjawad> we had a quick chat on UG G+ Page 22:06 <satya> lol :D 22:06 <satya> what did he say? 22:06 <amjjawad> I forgot 22:06 <amjjawad> he wasn't happy with something ... can't remember 22:06 <satya> may be due to old Gnome version 22:07 <amjjawad> anyway, how many themes can add by default? 22:07 <amjjawad> we have only one which is the default, right? I mean for 14.04 22:07 <amjjawad> if we could add 2-3, that would be super great 22:07 <satya> there aren't many good themes AFAIK 22:08 <satya> elementary, Moka, Numix, Iris are all I know 22:08 <satya> elementary is not suitable for GNOME 22:08 <satya> we can have Moka, Numix and Iris 22:08 <amjjawad> at least, we give some options to our users 22:08 <satya> yeah :D 22:08 <amjjawad> from what I have seen so far, the only negative feedback we do have is the look and feel 22:08 <amjjawad> most of the feedback stating that our system is rock solid 22:09 <amjjawad> and I can confirm that 22:09 <amjjawad> but it is the look and feel 22:09 <amjjawad> that even myself not happy with 22:09 <amjjawad> shh, don't tell anyone :P 22:09 <satya> yeah, but that's the default GNOME look. what we can do :( 22:09 <satya> :) 22:09 <amjjawad> so, I guess this is all about this week meeting ... anything else before I go? 22:09 <satya> do we want to include any GNOME shell theme? 22:09 <amjjawad> satya, we must find a way to include more themes and nice wallappers 22:10 <satya> wait, I have few things to say 22:10 <amjjawad> satya, ok :) 22:10 <satya> I don't worry about wallpapers, I'm sure, they'll be plenty 22:10 <amjjawad> +1 22:11 <satya> so, do we want to also include Gnome Shell themes and icon themes? 22:11 <satya> for icon themes, we could include Moka, elementary Xfce, Numix Circle etc. 22:11 <amjjawad> more icons themes = yes 22:11 <amjjawad> GNOME Shell Themes? 22:12 <satya> yeah? 22:12 <satya> about shell themes, guess lots of themes aren't properly maintained 22:12 <amjjawad> I'm too tired to figure out what we are talking about 22:13 <amjjawad> the one that if we change, the look of the system will change? 22:13 <satya> one moment 22:13 <satya> http://satya164.deviantart.com/art/Gnome-Shell-Elegance-Colors-305966388 22:14 <satya> it's the Gnome Shell theme I actively maintain 22:14 <amjjawad> so I was right 22:14 <amjjawad> the one that if we change it, the whole thing will be changed 22:14 <amjjawad> sure, that would be lovely 22:15 <satya> good. so my point, we don't have many GNOME shell themes which are actively maintained 22:15 <satya> if we include the one I linked above, I know that it'll be actively maintained 22:15 <satya> also, it's an app, not a theme 22:16 <amjjawad> I don't mind 22:16 <amjjawad> we need to talk with darkxst about that 22:16 <amjjawad> #action satya to check with darkxst about GNOME Shell Themes and Icons 22:16 * meetingology satya to check with darkxst about GNOME Shell Themes and Icons 22:16 <amjjawad> what else? :) 22:16 <satya> so, about the wallpaper contest 22:16 <satya> there is no progress yet. 22:16 <amjjawad> yeah, we agreed to start that 22:16 <satya> but I think I should start this week 22:16 <amjjawad> it is okay, no rush 22:16 <amjjawad> that is good 22:17 <satya> so, we decided to use flickr, and 2 submissions per user, right? 22:18 <satya> how about we make it like that, have 5 different genres, and choose 2 wallpapers from each genre? 22:18 <satya> like nature, city, abstract etc.? 22:18 <satya> to have some variety in the wallpapers 22:18 <amjjawad> hmm 22:18 <amjjawad> that is good idea 22:18 <amjjawad> and 1 to 2 submit per user 22:19 <satya> yup :) 22:19 <amjjawad> the total is 10, right? 22:19 <satya> yeah, I think so 22:19 <satya> so, I shall talk to alfredo and proceed with the idea then? 22:19 <amjjawad> #action have 5 different genres, and choose 2 wallpapers from each genre for the wallpaper contest satya 22:19 * meetingology have 5 different genres, and choose 2 wallpapers from each genre for the wallpaper contest satya 22:19 <amjjawad> yep ;) 22:20 <satya> great. 22:20 <amjjawad> :D 22:20 <satya> nothing else, right? 22:20 <amjjawad> hahaha 22:20 <amjjawad> I'm done :D 22:20 <satya> okay 22:20 <satya> do you want ownership of this http://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome ? 22:21 <amjjawad> what is this 22:22 <satya> scrollback room for ubuntu gnome 22:22 <satya> it is integrated with our irc 22:22 <amjjawad> no idea what is it 22:22 <satya> currently I own that room 22:22 <satya> it's a chat client :D 22:22 <amjjawad> but I have enough stuff to be the owner of hehe 22:22 <amjjawad> ohhh 22:22 <amjjawad> I see the stuff I'm sending here 22:22 <satya> remeber, I was talking about having it on our site? 22:23 <amjjawad> are you trying to say ... we add that to our website? 22:23 <satya> yeah, as a chat widget 22:23 <satya> which will load on demand 22:23 <satya> so as not to slow the page 22:23 <satya> but it uses appcache anyways, so it won't be slow from the 2nd time 22:24 <satya> note that that is an open source project 22:24 <satya> and I work for them :D 22:24 <amjjawad> if this is fast and does not require lots of stuff, why not 22:24 <amjjawad> ohh 22:24 <amjjawad> nice 22:24 <satya> :D 22:25 <satya> okay, so that's it then :) 22:25 <satya> we can have the widget on the community page 22:27 <satya> http://mozillaindia.org 22:27 <satya> they are using it 22:27 <amjjawad> #action satya to check with the rest of UG team about having: https://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome on our website (new) or not 22:27 * meetingology satya to check with the rest of UG team about having: https://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome on our website (new) or not 22:27 <satya> so, I don't have anything else to say 22:28 <amjjawad> okay then :) 22:28 <amjjawad> thanks a lot 22:29 <amjjawad> that was 1-2-1 meeting hehe 22:29 <satya> :) 22:29 <satya> hey, one thing 22:29 <satya> about rescheduling 22:29 <satya> I asked if we could have it on saturday 22:29 <amjjawad> right 22:30 <amjjawad> #action amjjawad to check with darkxst about doing the weekly meetings on Sat instead of Sun 22:30 * meetingology amjjawad to check with darkxst about doing the weekly meetings on Sat instead of Sun 22:30 <satya> so... 22:30 <satya> nice 22:30 <amjjawad> ;) 22:30 <amjjawad> #endmeeting