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22:00 * belkinsa is here for the meeting
22:00 <godbyk> pleia2's on top of things today! :-)
22:01 <pleia2> #chair knome dsmythies godbyk bkerensa
22:01 <meetingology> Current chairs: bkerensa dsmythies godbyk knome pleia2
22:01 <pleia2> in case I get pulled away re: work :)
22:01 <pleia2> we have an agenda!
22:01 <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda
22:01 <knome> pleia2, sorry, i was following the other meeting...
22:01 <bkerensa> oh I happen to be in my office so looks like I'm in attendance
22:01 <bkerensa> :D
22:02 <pleia2> #topic Ubuntu Classroom Sessions scheduling
22:02 <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Classroom
22:02 <pleia2> so we have topics decided, we just need to select a day
22:02 <dsmythies> I can do the Serverguide classroom session. Sorry, I didn't notice before (or forgot) that I was supposed to sign up.
22:02 <pleia2> thanks dsmythies
22:03 <pleia2> we want to do this at a time when telling people this stuff is still useful for the team if they want to join, so before any kind of freezes
22:03 <pleia2> late february? march? weekday or weekend?
22:03 <belkinsa> Weekend works the best for me.
22:04 <dsmythies> The sooner the better, weekday or wekend O.K. for me.
22:04 <belkinsa> Though the week of March 17-23 is free for me.
22:04 * pleia2 pulls up a calendar
22:04 <godbyk> I'm usually available except for Tuesdays and Fridays.
22:04 <pleia2> I'm out of town that week, maybe the week before?
22:04 <pleia2> or maybe March 1 or 2?
22:05 <belkinsa> Sure, but MWF works the best for me.
22:05 <pleia2> that's saturday and sunday
22:05 <pleia2> Sunday, March 2nd would be best for me
22:05 <belkinsa> That works.
22:05 <belkinsa> Either day.
22:05 <pleia2> (I try to take off on Saturdays :))
22:05 <godbyk> I don't have anything scheduled for March 1 or 2 yet.
22:06 <dsmythies> Sunday March 2nd O.K. for me.
22:06 <pleia2> ok, I'll firm up with the other instructors
22:06 <pleia2> #decided March 2nd for Documentation Day Classroom sessions
22:06 <dsmythies> We really need people to review docs against 14.04 computers. Should there be a classroom session on how to create and use a virtual computer for this purpose?
22:06 <pleia2> (is that a thing on this bot?)
22:06 <pleia2> dsmythies: I was thinking that would be covered in godbyk's session
22:06 <dsmythies> O.K.
22:07 <pleia2> but if we don't think there is enough time, we can do a general "creating a VM for all docs" session
22:07 <godbyk> pleia2: try 'agreed'
22:07 <pleia2> godbyk: ah :) thanks
22:07 <pleia2> #agreed March 2nd for Documentation Day Classroom sessions
22:08 <pleia2> #topic Progress on Desktop Docs GNOME documentation sync
22:08 <pleia2> I know there's been a fair amount of discussion on this topic (whether we're even doing it)
22:09 <bkerensa> I will let godbyk start off since he is doing the syncing
22:09 <pleia2> I added this, mostly because I would like to know when it's ok for me to say "ok people, go review docs and submit bugs about grammar+functionality"
22:09 <godbyk> I'll take a look at syncing everything this weekend.
22:09 <GunnarHj> Whatever we will decide about the syncing, I think that anybody can start reviewing and correcting the present state of the docs right now.
22:09 <dsmythies> In my opinion, we are ready for 14.04 docs review now.
22:09 <dsmythies> However, does anyone know fo some any doc pages that should be put on hold, due to pending changes that would/could make the page obsolete?
22:10 <godbyk> I don't think it'll take me too long�especially since I can strip out the conditionals now.
22:10 <bkerensa> GunnarHj: exactly
22:10 <bkerensa> there is no reason that spelling and grammar fixes should not be throughout the entire cycle
22:10 <godbyk> dsmythies: I have no idea what changes are coming in 14.04. Have we found good sources for that info yet?
22:10 <pleia2> bkerensa: well if the entire page is going to be replaced with a synced version, eek
22:10 <pleia2> I don't want to waste peoples time
22:11 <dsmythies> I don't know either
22:11 <bkerensa> godbyk: There are lots of things coming... Some of this is identifiable from watching the package changes in ubuntu-desk
22:11 <bkerensa> others we would need to ping the ubuntu-desktop team
22:11 <bkerensa> fwiw last cycle nobody was very helpful
22:11 <pleia2> bkerensa: have you been keeping an eye on that?
22:11 <bkerensa> nobody on the desktop or unity teams
22:11 <pleia2> package changes == reading changelog?
22:11 <GunnarHj> Actually I don't think there are a lot of things that affect the docs.
22:12 <bkerensa> pleia2: I have not ideally this is something we need desktop team to do
22:12 <pleia2> bkerensa: but they won't, we need to get past this and stop complaining about it
22:12 <godbyk> For a while, I subscribed to the changes lists for packages, but there was entirely too much traffic for me to manage. It was like drinking from a fire hose.
22:12 <pleia2> GunnarHj: yeah, as an LTS I was hoping not a ton of innovative things were happening :)
22:12 <bkerensa> pleia2: so ultimately they provide the info to release team
22:12 <bkerensa> so they are doing it
22:12 <bkerensa> they just are not shattering it with us
22:12 <bkerensa> sharing*
22:12 <godbyk> bkerensa: Just not very early though, right?
22:13 <pleia2> bkerensa: they get this to the release team at day zero
22:13 <bkerensa> because the info ends up in the release notes
22:13 <bkerensa> yes
22:13 <pleia2> not early enough for us
22:13 <bkerensa> but they work on it weeks before
22:13 <bkerensa> usually a month before release
22:13 <GunnarHj> I think we can simply check out whether the current state of the docs is still applicable by comparing it with an updated 14.04.
22:13 <bkerensa> sure
22:13 <bkerensa> but we will need to break down areas by components maybe
22:13 <bkerensa> and delegate reviewing components to certain people
22:14 <bkerensa> and hope that no last minute changes happen
22:14 <bkerensa> worst case scenario if a last minute change lands after freeze we can SRU
22:14 <bkerensa> or get a string freeze exception
22:14 <pleia2> let's cross that bridge when we get to it :)
22:14 <GunnarHj> Yeah, breaking it down and divide responsibilites is a good thought.
22:14 <pleia2> I know you're frustrated after last cycle, but we need to try to be practical
22:15 <dsmythies> I was just hoping to not waste time is all.
22:15 <bkerensa> dsmythies: +1
22:15 * pleia2 nods
22:15 <pleia2> it's an LTS, there shouldn't be any last minute surprises
22:16 <godbyk> pleia2: famous last words. ;-)
22:16 <bkerensa> LOL
22:16 <GunnarHj> pleia2: Right. (They are all busy with the phone anyway.)
22:16 <pleia2> godbyk: yeah, but historically it actually has been accurate :)
22:16 <pleia2> GunnarHj: heh, there is that
22:16 <pleia2> ok, too much bitterness in this meeting so far ;)
22:17 <pleia2> so, should I start telling people to review the docs?
22:17 <knome> belkinsa, ping me when it's your turn on the other meeting :D
22:17 <pleia2> or wait until after the weekend and godbyk looks at things
22:17 <belkinsa> knome, sure.
22:17 <GunnarHj> pleia2: Indeed you should.
22:17 <dsmythies> did we agree then, conditionals can come out (and already are, actually, and look and feel can deviate
22:17 <bkerensa> I agree reviewing it now is probably good
22:17 <bkerensa> There is so much to be reviewed
22:17 <godbyk> dsmythies: I'm for removing the conditionals so we have one less potential issue to trip over.
22:18 <pleia2> ok cool, Documentation is one of my 5 tasks I'm talking about at an Ubucon later this month and I have a blog post on the topic to write ;)
22:18 <GunnarHj> godbyk: Wouldn't that break things for UbuntuGNOME?
22:18 * bkerensa looks forward to hearing the talk at Ubucon
22:19 <pleia2> I don't know what Ubuntu GNOME does about docs, but this would be the ubuntu documentation package
22:19 <godbyk> GunnarHj: The GNOME docs are an entirely separate set of files on Ubuntu. So our changes to ubuntu-docs won't impact GNOME docs at all.
22:19 <pleia2> yeah, that
22:20 <pleia2> ok, anything else on this topic?
22:20 <GunnarHj> godbyk: Are you sure that UbuntuGNOME refers to the GNOME docs? After all it's an Ubuntu flavour.
22:20 <godbyk> GunnarHj: Yep. We've tested it before.
22:20 <pleia2> #action godbyk to look at gnome sync this weekend, conditionals will be/are removed
22:20 * meetingology godbyk to look at gnome sync this weekend, conditionals will be/are removed
22:20 <dsmythies> Gunnar: Yes. we tested
22:20 <GunnarHj> godbyk: Ok.
22:20 <pleia2> #agreed ok to recruit reviewers now
22:20 <godbyk> GunnarHj: If by 'UbuntuGNOME' you're referring to running GNOME shell under Ubuntu.
22:20 <godbyk> GunnarHj: If it's a separate distribution, then they're on their own.
22:21 <pleia2> Ubuntu GNOME is a flavor
22:21 <pleia2> (like Xubuntu)
22:21 <dsmythies> I think, but am not sure, that it what I tested.
22:22 <bkerensa> I would like to add an item to the agenda if we can squeeze it in that being Documentation Release Process
22:22 <pleia2> #topic Guidelines about wiki work
22:22 <dsmythies> Gunnar: can we go off line and make sure we are talking about the same thing?
22:23 <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Sure, after the meeting?
22:23 <dsmythies> O.K.
22:23 <pleia2> belkinsa & knome - all yours :)
22:23 <GunnarHj> I brought that item up on the agenda.
22:23 <pleia2> oh, GunnarHj!
22:23 <pleia2> sorry :)
22:24 <knome> hehe
22:24 <GunnarHj> But more people ought to be interested. ;-)
22:24 <knome> yeah, i just wanted to read it
22:24 <belkinsa> The next item is mine though it might need to be only talked about and get used.
22:24 <knome> and comment
22:25 <GunnarHj> I'm just wondering how we will reach conclusions and actions with respect to those topics.
22:25 <GunnarHj> Thinking of discussions about tags and page deletion.
22:25 <knome> GunnarHj, do you have a clear summary of the current state of the discussion in mind?
22:25 <knome> or does it look like it's not clear what people want to do
22:26 <GunnarHj> I'm not that updated...
22:26 <pleia2> I admit, I kind of lost track of this discussion :(
22:26 <knome> right
22:26 <GunnarHj> As regards page deletion: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-December/018472.html
22:26 <belkinsa> I think the same also.
22:27 <knome> i think there never was a clear conclusion to things
22:27 <knome> which is why we're still wondering :)
22:27 <GunnarHj> knome: Right.
22:27 <knome> i think the less tags we have, the better.
22:28 <GunnarHj> knome: Me too.
22:28 <belkinsa> Agreed.
22:28 <knome> i don't mind if a tag is a bit off
22:28 <knome> at least people who care *look* at the page
22:28 <GunnarHj> Better fix than adding tags.
22:29 <knome> yep
22:29 <bkerensa> Yeah
22:29 <knome> and about deleting pages...
22:29 <belkinsa> Yes, but we need to find people that will fix the pages if the info is outdated.
22:29 <knome> i know some people *cough*pleia2*cough* disagree, but we should be braver in deleting
22:29 <bkerensa> So might I say that I think its worth a thought to consider a migration to mediawiki next cycle to address outdated pages?
22:29 <pleia2> yeah I hate deleting :)
22:29 <belkinsa> Mediawiki?
22:30 <bkerensa> the software that wikipedia is powered by
22:30 <knome> bkerensa, how would a migration to another wiki software help with outdated pages?
22:30 <pleia2> bkerensa: have you spoken with IS about this?
22:30 <bkerensa> knome: They have a stale content tool
22:30 <pleia2> I think the last thing we need is another migration
22:30 <belkinsa> Wasn't eagles0513875_ talking about this a few months ago and a few meetings ago
22:30 <bkerensa> belkinsa: yeah
22:30 <knome> and how does that tool help us update the pages?
22:30 <pleia2> I think he was talking about an entirely new system
22:30 <GunnarHj> I indeed agree with knome that we should be braver as regards deleting.
22:31 <bkerensa> knome:  It gives a list of ones that are outdated
22:31 <pleia2> I don't think rehashing this is productive
22:31 <bkerensa> without tagging
22:31 <belkinsa> Yeah, I only see a easy to see comment thing for that system.
22:31 <pleia2> I can be ok with deleting stuff as long as we aren't too aggressive about it
22:31 <knome> bkerensa, without tagging, but with some more resource usage by mediawiki
22:31 <pleia2> we should make ever effort to redirect pages to proper documentation
22:31 <belkinsa> Agreed.
22:31 <GunnarHj> There was an idea on the list with 'soft deleting', i.e. redirect to a special page. See the above link.
22:32 <knome> i don't think migrating software is a solution to our problem, really
22:32 <knome> the information page about deleted content is ++
22:32 <bkerensa> pleia2: but if the proper doc does not exist and we don't know content is outdated then how do we address that?
22:32 <bkerensa> MoinMoin is lacking in identifying outdated content
22:33 <belkinsa> Even in the new versions?
22:33 <pleia2> bkerensa: tagging works fine for us
22:33 <bkerensa> 2.0 is supposed to be better
22:33 <knome> bkerensa, we don't have a software problem
22:33 <pleia2> knome: +1
22:33 <GunnarHj> bkerensa: People identify outdated contents, software does not.
22:33 <bkerensa> fair enough
22:33 <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-December/018490.html
22:33 <belkinsa> knome, +1 It's how we deal with the stuff.
22:33 <knome> ^ my comment on the "soft deletion" / "deletion information" page idea
22:34 <GunnarHj> knome: Yeah, I remember.
22:34 <bkerensa> fwiw http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Outdated_pages maintenance pages/stale content tools are win because if a page has not been updated in a release cycle it can be automagically listed
22:35 <pleia2> knome: so perhaps we do our best to redirect to a relevant page, and if not we go to a deleted page info page?
22:35 <knome> pleia2, exactly
22:35 <GunnarHj> pleia2: Right.
22:35 <knome> pleia2, which explains the reason (a tag), then at some point redirects the user to a "where do i go now?" -page
22:36 <pleia2> wfm
22:37 <knome> i'll need to work on the soft deletion page
22:37 <knome> #action knome to work on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DeletedPageDraft
22:37 * meetingology knome to work on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DeletedPageDraft
22:37 <knome> that's actually a POC!
22:37 <knome> go to that page
22:38 <pleia2> #agreed Do our best to redirect to a relevant page, and if not send people to DeletedPageDraft
22:38 <knome> and you'll be shown the reason why a page was deleted, then redirected to the front page
22:38 <belkinsa> That works.
22:38 <pleia2> thanks knome :)
22:38 <GunnarHj> knome: ;-)
22:38 <knome> pleia2, ....which should have a better name than *Draft later
22:38 <pleia2> knome: hah, right
22:38 <pleia2> GunnarHj: any more on this topic?
22:38 <knome> but sure, works for now
22:38 <GunnarHj> Nope.
22:38 <knome> umm,
22:38 <knome> tags?
22:38 <pleia2> ok cool, thanks for bringing it back up
22:38 <knome> are we content with the tags we have now?
22:39 <knome> or do people think we need to reconsider them?
22:39 <pleia2> tags now are good
22:39 <knome> oki
22:39 <knome> then i'm all good if pleia2 is content with the tags
22:40 <belkinsa> Same.
22:40 <GunnarHj> +1
22:40 <pleia2> #topic Guidelines about using prefixes in mailing-list
22:41 <pleia2> phew, not belkinsa's turn at the membership board meeting yet ;)
22:41 <knome> hehe
22:41 <belkinsa> Okay, we have the three or four prefixes : [Wiki], [server], [desktop], right?
22:41 <knome> i think using prefixes is sane.
22:42 <godbyk> I like the prefixes, too.
22:42 <knome> helps me filter out my mail :)
22:42 <belkinsa> I think they should be used to differate what we are talking about
22:42 <pleia2> just as long as it doesn't turn into an issue that we yell at people about for not doing
22:42 <belkinsa> I think we need to make a wiki page or have this written down something and use it/
22:43 <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc can be updated to explain the tags
22:43 <belkinsa> +1
22:43 <GunnarHj> belkinsa: +1
22:43 <dsmythies> I agree with prefixes (I just have to remember to use them)
22:43 <pleia2> so someone should draft up what each are, and email ubuntu-doc-owner@lists.ubuntu.com to update the list
22:43 <godbyk> pleia2: Good idea.
22:43 <knome> yep, no need to shout
22:44 <belkinsa> I shall do this since it's my item that I brought up.
22:44 <knome> the basic idea is to be able to filter/moderate the amount of mail one needs to look at
22:44 <pleia2> #action belkinsa to draft up details of tags and email ubuntu-doc-owner@lists.ubuntu.com to update the list info
22:44 * meetingology belkinsa to draft up details of tags and email ubuntu-doc-owner@lists.ubuntu.com to update the list info
22:44 <pleia2> thanks belkinsa!
22:44 <belkinsa> Not a problem.
22:44 <knome> if something isn't catched in the filter... well, we all get spam anyway.
22:44 <pleia2> my brain is bad at adding tags :)
22:44 <knome> heh
22:45 <knome> fortunately it's your fingers that type them ;)
22:45 <belkinsa> Aye, no program can do prefixes yet.
22:45 <pleia2> #topic Documentation Release Process
22:45 <pleia2> bkerensa: all yours!
22:46 <bkerensa> So ideally there seemed to be some confusion last cycle as to what the release processes are
22:46 <bkerensa> and I just hoped to see if anyone godbyk or dsmythies had questions about that?
22:47 <dsmythies> There were a couple of issues...
22:47 <bkerensa> I'm applying for PPU for the ubuntu-doc package so ideally it won't be as troublesome to get the package uploaded since everyone is busy at that point and not much sponsoring occurs that late
22:47 <godbyk> bkerensa: Ah, that's good to hear.
22:48 <dsmythies> first, the translators task list is based on the package and not the project. This cuased greif. So this cycle we need to update the package at doc freeze, otherwise translators complain.
22:48 <bkerensa> yes
22:49 <bkerensa> One thing I am also thinking is next cycle I might consider taking on more of just a release management role for docs if thats of interest
22:49 <godbyk> Is there a crib page on the wiki that walks someone through the release process?  If not, it'd be great if we could create one.
22:49 <bkerensa> that being handling our release/upload but also tracking our bugs to ensure we square away issues that will impact our users
22:50 <dsmythies> Second: and in my opinion, there is a problem in launchpad, where it will back date stuff and it is really really confusing as to who did what when.
22:50 <bkerensa> godbyk: there is a list of stuff to do on mailing list that jbicha left
22:50 <bkerensa> and its basically that + packaging plus doing some tasks on LP that are not documented and as dsmythies points out is troublesome
22:50 <godbyk> bkerensa: Could you help me expand that and put it on the wiki?
22:50 <GunnarHj> dsmythies: back date?
22:50 <dsmythies> The process for upload, as Benjamin knows, is unlcear to me, and remains so.
22:51 <GunnarHj> dsmythies: I think that could be easily straightened out.
22:51 <bkerensa> dsmythies: so the process for uploading is that its packaged and a debdiff is generated
22:51 <dsmythies> Gunner: I'll have to find and example, It is incredibly annoying. But no information is given as to who accpeted something or when, it gets backdated.
22:51 <bkerensa> and a developer with upload rights then uploads it
22:52 <godbyk> Perhaps it's only my own ignorance, but I get the impression that a lot of the knowledge of the details of the release process are tucked away in a few people's heads and I'd like to get it written down somewhere public so someone else could go through the entire release process on their own if those knowledgeable people fall off the face of the planet.
22:52 <bkerensa> I don't have upload rights for ubuntu-docs so in this case I have to nag a core dev
22:52 <pleia2> godbyk: +1
22:52 <dsmythies> yes, but the date can be be weeks ago.
22:52 <dsmythies> ... wait I misssed a bunch of text...
22:53 <GunnarHj> I have PPU rights for a couple of packages. Can try to get it for ubuntu-docs as well.
22:53 <bkerensa> godbyk: so the release precedes as far as getting the branch ready for packaging and upload are on the mailing list
22:53 <dsmythies> gobdyk: There is an exact "how to be a doc committor for serverguide page. the same is needed for dektop.
22:53 <pleia2> GunnarHj: I think it would be great to have a couple folks on the team with PPU for docs
22:53 <GunnarHj> pleia2: Yeah.. And we should apparently document this somewhere.
22:53 <pleia2> indeed :)
22:54 <belkinsa> +1
22:54 <bkerensa> godbyk: in regards to packaging and uploading it I think this is something that should be a pathway for devs
22:54 <pleia2> bkerensa: can you work with godbyk to document some of this process in public?
22:54 <bkerensa> pleia2: which part?
22:54 <pleia2> s/this process/the release process
22:54 <godbyk> bkerensa: everything. :)
22:54 <pleia2> everything, it's currently scattered in mailing lists posts and brains
22:55 <bkerensa> sure
22:55 <GunnarHj> Let's not reinvent the wheel now...
22:55 <pleia2> #action bkerensa to work with godbyk to document the release process
22:55 * meetingology bkerensa to work with godbyk to document the release process
22:55 <bkerensa> in regards to the packaging bit I think we need to encourage people to follow the developer pathway
22:55 <pleia2> yeah, we can link to docs on that as needed
22:55 <pleia2> but I've been around for a while now, and I still don't have a high level view of how this magic happens
22:55 <dsmythies> yes, everything. See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository/Members-Serverguide
22:56 <GunnarHj> pleia2: You learn it by doing, basically. ;-)
22:56 <dsmythies> bkerensa: I spent many many 10s of hours on it last cycle and got nowhere.
22:56 <pleia2> I'd say we start with an outline of everything that needs to be done, and then expand from there
22:56 <knome> i think it would make sense if there was somebody assigned per cycle to make sure (with other documentation 'leaders') doc strings are in .pots on docstringfreeze and later, (help) upload packages
22:56 <bkerensa> dsmythies: I spent two years learning packaging ;)
22:57 <pleia2> packaging is hard
22:57 <bkerensa> and still don't have it all figured out
22:57 <knome> it's not a huge undertaking, but it would be soothing to know there is somebody to do it.
22:57 <pleia2> I landed my first package in debian in 2006 and I'm still lousy at it :)
22:57 <knome> obviously, this person should be somebody who has PPU for the docs packages.
22:57 <godbyk> I haven't packaged anything yet, but I'm willing to learn.
22:57 <bkerensa> thats why I think the developer guide and normal pathway is win because giving a watered down course or guide on packaging is going to end in people learning hanky and then dev member board is not going to approve those people PPU because they won't confident in their skills
22:57 <dsmythies> pakcaging aside, I have a pretty good handle on the rest of it.
22:58 <bkerensa> I want people to be successful in that
22:58 <bkerensa> yeah
22:58 <bkerensa> I highly encourage folks to dig up dholbach or slangaseks google hangout videos about anatomy of packaging
22:58 <pleia2> so maybe add some packaging links to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository/Members-Serverguide ?
22:58 <bkerensa> yes
22:58 <godbyk> bkerensa: That's fine, but there's a lot more to it than just creating a deb file. I want to document everything that needs to be done before and after the dev pathway you mentioned. Then we can just link to the dev pathway docs in the middle.
22:59 <pleia2> ok cool
22:59 <bkerensa> godbyk: sure lets nail that down before end of cycle
22:59 <dsmythies> No, to the generic page, the serverguide has not package version.
22:59 <pleia2> thanks bkerensa!
22:59 <pleia2> dsmythies: oh, right
22:59 <godbyk> bkerensa: Sounds like a plan. I'll send you and email and we can start working on that stuff. Thanks!
22:59 <pleia2> #topic Any other business
22:59 <dsmythies> this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository/Members
22:59 <bkerensa> godbyk: and although I am often gone if you ever want to setup a time/day to learn some packaging I am happy to show you what I know
23:00 <pleia2> Anything else? (I hope not, this rounds up hour 3 of meetings for me today and I may killself)
23:00 <pleia2> ((just kidding))
23:00 <godbyk> bkerensa: Cool. Yeah, I'm sure we can find a time to get together and work on that.
23:00 <dsmythies> yes,
23:00 <belkinsa> knome, piny and ready
23:00 <knome> ta
23:00 <dsmythies> Is ther a "how to do a classroom session" somehwere?
23:00 <pleia2> dsmythies: yeah, sec
23:00 <godbyk> dsmythies: Great question!
23:00 <GunnarHj> I posted an application for ubuntu-core-docs. Glad if somebody get it some attention. ;-)
23:01 <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/Guidelines
23:01 <godbyk> It's been forever since I've done that stuff.. and I think it's changed since then.
23:01 <pleia2> and you can see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom for links to past classes
23:01 <dsmythies> pleia2: thanks.
23:01 <pleia2> to get an idea of what others folks have done
23:01 <dsmythies> I like to learn by example.
23:01 * bkerensa must depart (epic winter storm here ttyl)
23:02 <godbyk> bkerensa: Take care and thanks for coming!
23:02 <dsmythies> Gunnar: I support your application, and was going to suggest it anyhow.
23:02 <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Thanks. :)
23:02 <godbyk> I'm glad to see the docs team member roster growing again.
23:03 <pleia2> yes, very exciting :)
23:03 <dsmythies> Yes +1
23:03 <GunnarHj> +1
23:03 <dsmythies> Gunnar: I didn't actually see any application though. (?)
23:04 <GunnarHj> dsmythies: On the list - maybe the wrong place?
23:04 <godbyk> GunnarHj: Apply to join the team on Launchpad.  Then we can approve it.
23:04 <dsmythies> I must have misssed it, sorry.
23:04 <dsmythies> Yes, like godbyk said.
23:04 <GunnarHj> Ok.
23:05 <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2014-February/018664.html
23:05 <pleia2> +1 on list would be nice :)
23:05 <pleia2> (like was done for jack)
23:05 <dsmythies> opps, it went to my junk mail...
23:06 <dsmythies> yes, I like the idea of some on-list debate
23:06 <GunnarHj> Is that sufficient then?
23:06 <godbyk> dsmythies, pleia2: Agreed.
23:07 <dsmythies> Gunnar: Yes, I found out via the one earlier, that we (admins) can add someone without them applying.
23:07 <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Ok, thanks.
23:08 <pleia2> alright, thanks everyone
23:08 <pleia2> #endmeeting