== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-desktop: Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-08-11, 11 Aug at 13:31 — 14:05 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-08-11-13.31.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== rls-bb-bugs ===
The discussion about "rls-bb-bugs" started at 13:33.

  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' http://launchpad.net/bugs/1888505 
  * ''LINK:'' http://launchpad.net/bugs/1838152 
  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html 

=== rls-ff-bugs ===
The discussion about "rls-ff-bugs" started at 13:40.

  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' http://launchpad.net/bugs/1880508 
  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' http://launchpad.net/bugs/1853331 

=== rls-gg-bugs ===
The discussion about "rls-gg-bugs" started at 13:49.

  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html 

=== update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages ===
The discussion about "update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages" started at 13:50.

  * ''LINK:'' https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages 

=== AOB ===
The discussion about "AOB" started at 13:56.




== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * Wimpress (65)
 * seb128 (51)
 * hellsworth (12)
 * Laney (11)
 * tseliot (5)
 * luna_ (5)
 * ubot5 (4)
 * kenvandine (4)
 * meetingology (3)
 * callmepk (1)
 * marcustomlinson (1)



== Full Log ==


 13:31 <Wimpress> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-08-11

 13:31 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug 11 13:31:29 2020 UTC.  The chair is Wimpress. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 13:31 <meetingology> 

 13:31 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 13:32 <Wimpress> Roll call: did_rocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSo_MoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, Trev_inho, robert_ancell, callmepk

 13:32 <hellsworth> \o/

 13:32 <marcustomlinson> \o

 13:32 <luna_> o/

 13:32 <kenvandine> o/

 13:32 <callmepk> o/

 13:33 <Wimpress> Hiya :-)

 13:33 <Wimpress> #topic rls-bb-bugs

 13:33 <luna_> having extreme headache however and tabbing around in irssi, so not sure i really will attend however :P

 13:33 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 13:33 <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1888505

 13:33 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1888505 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Two-finger touchpad zoom extremely sensitive" [Low,New]

 13:33 <hellsworth> oh oops i forgot to untag the lo one

 13:34 <Wimpress> :-)

 13:34 <hellsworth> i think i untag'd the others though

 13:34 <Wimpress> OK

 13:34 <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1838152

 13:34 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1838152 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu Bionic) "gnome-shell freezes on notification arrival (fixed upstream)" [Undecided,New]

 13:34 <hellsworth> this 1888505 still nees some attention from me so please skip it

 13:35 * Wimpress eyes popey

 13:35 <seb128> (hey, sorry a bit late but I'm around now)

 13:36 <seb128> -1 from me to rls nominate this one but a nice target of opportunity to maybe include the fix in a SRU when we do one

 13:36 <Wimpress> Who can determine if #1838152 is something we can backport to Bionic?

 13:36 <seb128> Tre_vinho probably but he's off until eow

 13:36 <Wimpress> OK

 13:37 <Wimpress> How should that one be tagged?

 13:37 <Wimpress> Or assigned?

 13:37 <seb128> depend of the consensus

 13:37 <seb128> I vote -1 but we didn't hear from others

 13:37 <Laney> notfixing sounds good

 13:38 <seb128> Wimpress, tag rls-bb-notfixing then

 13:38 <Laney> make a trello card for Marco to cherry pick it to git if you want

 13:38 <Wimpress> Wilco

 13:38 <Laney> but there's no guarantee of timing

 13:39 <Wimpress> seb128 or Laney please make a card for it. Lets do a quick look see if it is a quick fox for Bionic.

 13:39 <seb128> k

 13:39 <Wimpress> *fix

 13:39 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 13:40 <Wimpress> Everything looks like it has owners there.

 13:40 <Wimpress> #topic rls-ff-bugs

 13:40 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 13:41 <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1880508

 13:41 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1880508 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-340 (Ubuntu) "package nvidia-340 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/lib/udev/rules.d/71-nvidia.rules', which is also in package nvidia-kernel-common-440 440.82+really.440.64-0ubuntu6" [Undecided,Confirmed]

 13:42 <Laney> definitely, upgrade failures are terrible, tseliot ^- can you take the assignment?

 13:42 <seb128> (https://trello.com/c/PxWxI7Hy/217-investigate-cherry-picking-the-fix-for-bug-1838152-to-bionic for the previous bug)

 13:42 <Wimpress> seb128: You tagged that one. Looks like something tseliot might be interested in?

 13:42 <seb128> +1 from me

 13:42 <seb128> there is a stack of file conflicts on nvdia packages

 13:42 <Wimpress> Given .1 is out, this looks like something we should action.

 13:43 <seb128> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-340/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0

 13:43 <seb128> right

 13:43 <Wimpress> Erk.

 13:44 <seb128> so yeah, let's assign to tseliot

 13:44 <Laney> target to focal, assign all the tasks

 13:44 <tseliot> Laney: it's on my list. I'll take care of it when I am back from the holidays

 13:44 <Wimpress> tseliot: I've assigned you. If you feel that is incorrect, let me know.

 13:44 <seb128> tseliot, thanks, and stop doing IRC during holidays! :)

 13:44 <Wimpress> tseliot: Sorry to interrupt your vacation.

 13:45 <tseliot> Wimpress: thanks

 13:45 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 13:45 <tseliot> I'll be off tomorrow, but I'm already booked for today ;)

 13:46 <Wimpress> Have fun!

 13:46 <tseliot> (I'll be back next week)

 13:46 <tseliot> thanks

 13:46 <Wimpress> OK, what to do about all those Yaru bugs?

 13:46 <seb128> nothing?

 13:46 <seb128> they are fix commited

 13:46 <Wimpress> Oh, they are.

 13:46 <Wimpress> Just spotted that.

 13:46 <seb128> SRU just needs to be verified, if you want to help just verify some of the fixes

 13:47 <seb128> that will allow it to migrate, makes user happy and get those lines closed :)

 13:47 <Wimpress> Sure thing. I'll see what community verification I can rustle up.

 13:47 <Wimpress> I'll skip the spice bug. We know about that one.

 13:47 <seb128> right

 13:48 <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1853331

 13:48 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1853331 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu Focal) "nm-applet assertion failure manipulating widgets" [Undecided,Fix committed]

 13:48 <Wimpress> OK, ignore that one too.

 13:48 <luna_> maybe can help to verifiy the easy Yaru bugs liks icons in Lollypop etc :p

 13:48 <Wimpress> The rest all look good.

 13:48 <seb128> luna_, that would be nice, thanks!

 13:48 <Wimpress> Did I miss anything?

 13:48 <seb128> I don't think so

 13:48 <Wimpress> Thanks luna_ that would be great.

 13:49 <Wimpress> #topic rls-gg-bugs

 13:49 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 13:49 <luna_> so install the latest focal and lollypop and look if it uses the right icons?

 13:49 <Wimpress> gg-incoming looks good.

 13:49 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 13:50 <Wimpress> As does gg-tracking

 13:50 <Wimpress> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages

 13:50 <seb128> luna_, if that's the testcase :)

 13:50 <Wimpress> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages

 13:50 <Wimpress> Oh my gosh

 13:50 <hellsworth> :)

 13:51 <seb128> lot of things blocked on the icu transition

 13:51 <luna_> seb128: it is, testing in a VM atm :)

 13:51 <Wimpress> I was just mentally doing the reverse depends, and got to icu :-)

 13:51 <seb128> there aren't lot of actions needed

 13:51 <Wimpress> Yeah.

 13:52 <seb128> the suitesparse/armhf build issue might need investigating

 13:52 <Wimpress> Anything is there we do want to focus on?

 13:52 <seb128> still libreoffice/armhf flakyness and retries, that's usual

 13:52 <seb128> otherwise no work needed atm from what I can tell

 13:53 <Wimpress> Any way we can set an approved list of auto retry for packages on arm* ?

 13:53 <seb128> what do you mean?

 13:54 <Wimpress> Well, we know LO sometimes just needs a prod to rebuild.

 13:54 <kenvandine> often

 13:54 <hellsworth> yes we rebuilt yesterday...

 13:54 <seb128> I wonder if we should simply stop trying libreoffice/armhf autopkgtests

 13:54 <hellsworth> i guess millionth time is the charm

 13:54 <Wimpress> Can we automate a retry on LO and other packages where a retry often resolves the issue.

 13:54 <seb128> they DoS the infra and delay things often by weeks

 13:55 <seb128> but probably not a discussion to have now as a team meeting adhock

 13:55 <hellsworth> seb128: are you proposing that we disable the armhf LO tests all together?

 13:55 <hellsworth> right..

 13:55 <seb128> no, the build is happening once

 13:55 <seb128> autopkgtests are triggered by random uploads

 13:56 <Wimpress> OK, something for a team discussion then.

 13:56 <seb128> it's annoying to have e.g gstreamer blocked for a week because the armhf tests queue has days of backlogs and then you get the armhf libreoffice test failing after a day

 13:56 <Wimpress> #topic AOB

 13:56 <seb128> and then the retry kick you another 3 days down the road waiting

 13:57 <kenvandine> is arm64 more reliable?

 13:57 <Laney> FTBFS report

 13:57 <hellsworth> i totally hear you seb128

 13:57 <Wimpress> I bet

 13:57 <Laney> do we need to assign some items from that?

 13:57 <hellsworth> i'd say that lately arm64 has certainly been more reliable

 13:57 <Laney> or is it already happening ok?

 13:57 <seb128> I handled 11 or the 18

 13:57 <seb128> 3 are waiting for Debian uploads

 13:58 <hellsworth> i need more discussion with you folks to get a clearer picture of what i need to do there

 13:58 <seb128> so it's sort of hanlded

 13:58 <seb128> I will ping/card people about the remaining ones if needed

 13:58 <Wimpress> hellsworth: duly noted

 13:58 <Wimpress> Anyone have anything else?

 13:59 <Laney> ok

 13:59 <seb128> (https://people.canonical.com/~doko/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20200728-groovy-groovy.html#desktop-packages for reference)

 13:59 <Wimpress> Thanks seb128

 13:59 <seb128> I wish that would auto refresh/pick up new versions though

 14:00 <seb128> kenvandine, can you ask maybe robert_ancell to look at the snapd-glib from ^

 14:01 <kenvandine> sure

 14:01 <seb128> thx

 14:01 <Wimpress> ANy other topics?

 14:01 <seb128> other topic, people probably noticed but I started on GNOME 3.37 updates

 14:01 <seb128> help is welcome

 14:01 <seb128> I will restore the trello to help synchronizing

 14:02 <Laney> 👍

 14:02 <Laney> hopefully can by thursday/friday

 14:02 <seb128> there are some made for you :p

 14:02 <Wimpress> I'm PTO Friday.

 14:03 <Wimpress> FYI ^

 14:03 <seb128> (gnome-session / g-s-d have some reworking on the systemd units)

 14:03 <seb128> Marco started on the shell stack but he's off until eow

 14:04 <Wimpress> Are we done?

 14:04 <seb128> I think so

 14:04 <Wimpress> Thanks everyone!

 14:04 <seb128> thanks!

 14:05 <Wimpress> #endmeeting



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