13:30 <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-08-04
13:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug  4 13:30:38 2020 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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13:30 <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks (out), duflu (out), heather, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney , marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
13:31 <oSoMoN> o/
13:31 <kenvandine> o/
13:31 <hellsworth> o/
13:31 <marcustomlinson> \o
13:31 <jibel> \o
13:31 <Trevinho> o//
13:31 <seb128> quite a reactive audiance today :-)
13:31 <seb128> let's get started then!
13:31 <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bug
13:31 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
13:32 <seb128> some libreoffice ones on the list today
13:32 <seb128> bug #1888504
13:32 <ubot5> bug 1888504 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Two-finger touchpad scroll broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1888504
13:32 <hellsworth> right so looks like a real problem.. haven't reproduced. do yall think it's work a deeper look?
13:33 <oSoMoN> is this an upstream bug, or ubuntu-specific?
13:33 <seb128> while better touch support would be desirable I don't think that would quality as a rls issue
13:33 <seb128> we know the touch screen experience is suboptimal, that includes the desktop itself and apps
13:33 <kenvandine> not touch screen
13:33 <kenvandine> touchpad
13:33 <hellsworth> it seems to only affect one person but not sure if ubuntu-specific
13:33 <seb128> oh
13:33 <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
13:34 <seb128> I didn't even know that 2 fingers scrolling to left of right was a thing on a touchpad :p
13:34 <hellsworth> well it was filed with the touchpad
13:34 <hellsworth> oh right that's what ken said
13:34 <seb128> right, I parsed that wrongly
13:34 <mertgor> Today is my first day so i'll keep listening only
13:34 <seb128> mertgor, welcome and not problem!
13:35 <seb128> k, anyway it's a one report and there is other way to scroll
13:35 <seb128> I vote -1 for nomination
13:35 <kenvandine> agreed
13:35 <oSoMoN> yup
13:35 <Laney> lol
13:35 <Laney> I don't like the second half of that
13:35 <Laney> the other ways to scroll are way worse if touchpad is broken
13:36 <Laney> if we applied that elsewhere it would S U C K
13:36 <oSoMoN> hellsworth, I'd ask the reporter if they can reproduce with an upstream build, to triage the bug properly
13:36 <hellsworth> ok good idea oSoMoN thanks
13:37 <seb128> Laney, second half of what?
13:37 * seb128 lost context
13:37 <Laney> your reason for declining the nomination
13:37 <seb128> sorry, I'm not a touchpad user, ignore my opinion
13:37 <Laney> ok
13:38 <Laney> yes you can go click the little arrow or use the scroll bar
13:38 <seb128> or the keyboard
13:38 <seb128> arrows
13:38 <Laney> but if it's true that touchpad scrolling is broken that would be quite major
13:38 <kenvandine> should be easy to try to reproduce
13:38 <kenvandine> just need a laptop
13:38 <Laney> so I would disagree strongly with "there are other ways" being a good rationale
13:38 <seb128> k, let's start fresh then
13:38 <Laney> not saying if it is true or not in this case
13:38 <seb128> do we believe it's specific to libreoffice or a touchpad problem?
13:39 <hellsworth> unknown
13:39 <kenvandine> the reporter said other apps behave as expected
13:39 <seb128> also I'm not on bionic to test atm
13:39 <kenvandine> including libreoffice writer
13:39 <kenvandine> just calc and draw had problems
13:40 <hellsworth> how bout i go off and investigate it a bit then
13:40 <seb128> I feel like we are wasting time bikesheeding there
13:40 <Laney> :/
13:40 <seb128> if touchpad support was broken in bionic we would know by now
13:40 <oSoMoN> I think it needs further triaging before we can determine whether it's rls material
13:40 <seb128> or if that was an issue lot users cared about
13:40 <Laney> misunderstanding my point
13:40 <Laney> whatever
13:40 <Laney> carry on
13:40 <hellsworth> ok then can we leave the tag and revisit next week? or later in the week?
13:40 <seb128> well, my rational is that if we didn't hear from it in 2 years then it's probably not a rls issue
13:40 <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: figure out if this is upstream or not first
13:41 <kenvandine> two figure scroll is working on focal
13:41 <kenvandine> in calc, i just verified
13:41 <hellsworth> ok thanks. i'll go see if it's in upstream on a bionic vm
13:41 <seb128> k, so let me do my vote again, hopefully we don't do any other bikeshedding on the rational (or maybe I should just note give a rational and a -1 if that helps?)
13:42 <seb128> -1, if touchpad support was broken in bionic we would know by now
13:42 <Laney> stop calling it bikeshedding
13:42 <Laney> that is rude
13:42 <seb128> shrug
13:42 <seb128> langs now
13:42 <seb128> I think I stop there and let someone else handle that meeting
13:42 <seb128> #endmeeting