13:30 <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-08-04 13:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug 4 13:30:38 2020 UTC. The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 13:30 <meetingology> 13:30 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 13:30 <seb128> Roll call: didrocks (out), duflu (out), heather, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney , marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out) 13:31 <oSoMoN> o/ 13:31 <kenvandine> o/ 13:31 <hellsworth> o/ 13:31 <marcustomlinson> \o 13:31 <jibel> \o 13:31 <Trevinho> o// 13:31 <seb128> quite a reactive audiance today :-) 13:31 <seb128> let's get started then! 13:31 <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bug 13:31 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html 13:32 <seb128> some libreoffice ones on the list today 13:32 <seb128> bug #1888504 13:32 <ubot5> bug 1888504 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Two-finger touchpad scroll broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1888504 13:32 <hellsworth> right so looks like a real problem.. haven't reproduced. do yall think it's work a deeper look? 13:33 <oSoMoN> is this an upstream bug, or ubuntu-specific? 13:33 <seb128> while better touch support would be desirable I don't think that would quality as a rls issue 13:33 <seb128> we know the touch screen experience is suboptimal, that includes the desktop itself and apps 13:33 <kenvandine> not touch screen 13:33 <kenvandine> touchpad 13:33 <hellsworth> it seems to only affect one person but not sure if ubuntu-specific 13:33 <seb128> oh 13:33 <seb128> kenvandine, thanks 13:34 <seb128> I didn't even know that 2 fingers scrolling to left of right was a thing on a touchpad :p 13:34 <hellsworth> well it was filed with the touchpad 13:34 <hellsworth> oh right that's what ken said 13:34 <seb128> right, I parsed that wrongly 13:34 <mertgor> Today is my first day so i'll keep listening only 13:34 <seb128> mertgor, welcome and not problem! 13:35 <seb128> k, anyway it's a one report and there is other way to scroll 13:35 <seb128> I vote -1 for nomination 13:35 <kenvandine> agreed 13:35 <oSoMoN> yup 13:35 <Laney> lol 13:35 <Laney> I don't like the second half of that 13:35 <Laney> the other ways to scroll are way worse if touchpad is broken 13:36 <Laney> if we applied that elsewhere it would S U C K 13:36 <oSoMoN> hellsworth, I'd ask the reporter if they can reproduce with an upstream build, to triage the bug properly 13:36 <hellsworth> ok good idea oSoMoN thanks 13:37 <seb128> Laney, second half of what? 13:37 * seb128 lost context 13:37 <Laney> your reason for declining the nomination 13:37 <seb128> sorry, I'm not a touchpad user, ignore my opinion 13:37 <Laney> ok 13:38 <Laney> yes you can go click the little arrow or use the scroll bar 13:38 <seb128> or the keyboard 13:38 <seb128> arrows 13:38 <Laney> but if it's true that touchpad scrolling is broken that would be quite major 13:38 <kenvandine> should be easy to try to reproduce 13:38 <kenvandine> just need a laptop 13:38 <Laney> so I would disagree strongly with "there are other ways" being a good rationale 13:38 <seb128> k, let's start fresh then 13:38 <Laney> not saying if it is true or not in this case 13:38 <seb128> do we believe it's specific to libreoffice or a touchpad problem? 13:39 <hellsworth> unknown 13:39 <kenvandine> the reporter said other apps behave as expected 13:39 <seb128> also I'm not on bionic to test atm 13:39 <kenvandine> including libreoffice writer 13:39 <kenvandine> just calc and draw had problems 13:40 <hellsworth> how bout i go off and investigate it a bit then 13:40 <seb128> I feel like we are wasting time bikesheeding there 13:40 <Laney> :/ 13:40 <seb128> if touchpad support was broken in bionic we would know by now 13:40 <oSoMoN> I think it needs further triaging before we can determine whether it's rls material 13:40 <seb128> or if that was an issue lot users cared about 13:40 <Laney> misunderstanding my point 13:40 <Laney> whatever 13:40 <Laney> carry on 13:40 <hellsworth> ok then can we leave the tag and revisit next week? or later in the week? 13:40 <seb128> well, my rational is that if we didn't hear from it in 2 years then it's probably not a rls issue 13:40 <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: figure out if this is upstream or not first 13:41 <kenvandine> two figure scroll is working on focal 13:41 <kenvandine> in calc, i just verified 13:41 <hellsworth> ok thanks. i'll go see if it's in upstream on a bionic vm 13:41 <seb128> k, so let me do my vote again, hopefully we don't do any other bikeshedding on the rational (or maybe I should just note give a rational and a -1 if that helps?) 13:42 <seb128> -1, if touchpad support was broken in bionic we would know by now 13:42 <Laney> stop calling it bikeshedding 13:42 <Laney> that is rude 13:42 <seb128> shrug 13:42 <seb128> langs now 13:42 <seb128> I think I stop there and let someone else handle that meeting 13:42 <seb128> #endmeeting