14:33 <Wimpress> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-03-24
14:33 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar 24 14:33:21 2020 UTC.  The chair is Wimpress. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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14:33 <seb128> _o/
14:33 <Wimpress> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell
14:33 <Trevinho> o/
14:33 <hellsworth> o/
14:33 <oSoMoN> 😷/
14:33 <didrocks> hey
14:34 <Wimpress> How is everyone?
14:34 <jibel> good thanks
14:34 <oSoMoN> good
14:34 <Wimpress> OK, lets do this.
14:34 <Wimpress> #topic rls-bb-bugs
14:34 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
14:34 <Trevinho> all locked well
14:35 <Wimpress> Trevinho: Stay safe :-)
14:35 <Wimpress> OK, that looks all clear. No desktop issues.
14:35 <kenvandine> o/
14:35 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
14:36 <Wimpress> Don't think I see anything there either?
14:37 <seb128> looks fine indeed
14:37 <Wimpress> seb128: Shall we skip over Eoan?
14:37 <seb128> why? it's still our current stable
14:37 <seb128> incoming is empty
14:37 <seb128> so should be easy...
14:37 <Wimpress> #topic rls-ee-bugs
14:37 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html
14:37 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html
14:38 <seb128> nothing on tracking
14:38 <seb128> looks like it's a skip anyway :)
14:38 <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1733321
14:38 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1733321 in network-manager (Ubuntu Focal) "network-manager ADT tests fail with on ppc64el with artful/linux 4.13.0.17.18" [Medium,New]
14:38 <Wimpress> I'll circle back to that one later.
14:39 <Wimpress> Relevant for prodstack.
14:39 <Wimpress> #topic rls-ff-bugs
14:39 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
14:39 <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1863239
14:39 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1863239 in libmtp (Ubuntu) "/dev/bus/usb/*/* device file of HP multi-function printer assigned to "audio" group" [Critical,In progress]
14:39 <Wimpress> tkamppeter: SHould that be assigned to you?
14:40 <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1868260
14:40 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1868260 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Change sleep-inactive-ac-timeout to 1200 to meet eStar 8 requirement" [High,Confirmed]
14:40 <Wimpress> seb128: I think the OEM team talked to you and I separately about that ^
14:40 <Wimpress> Let's review it this afternoon.
14:40 <tkamppeter> My part I have already done on it, we only need a core-dev for upload.
14:40 <Wimpress> OK, tkamppeter. Thanks.
14:41 <seb128> Wimpress, I would welcome team opinion on the change
14:41 <seb128> I'm fine doing it if we want to be estar 8 compliant, and we probably want?
14:41 <Wimpress> The OEM power change?
14:41 <seb128> I personally find autosuspend on ac annoying...
14:41 <seb128> yes
14:42 <Wimpress> I agree that staying compliant with eSTAR is the right thing to do.
14:42 <seb128> 'power sleep-inactive-ac-timeout to 1200 (20 minutes) as default to meet the Power Management Requirements of Energy Star Computers Specification Version 8.0.'
14:42 <seb128> k
14:42 <Laney> what
14:42 <Wimpress> Any other desktopers have an opinion on that?
14:42 <seb128> autosuspend on 20 min idle sucks from an user experience though
14:42 <Wimpress> Yep.
14:43 <seb128> well  I guess it depends what you use, but if you have e;g and IRC client open
14:43 <didrocks> I don’t really like either autosuspend after 20 min when you are on AC…
14:43 <Wimpress> The other option is the the OEM team carry their own gschema override.
14:43 <oSoMoN> complying with the spec seems sensible, even if I tend to agree that autosuspend on AC isn't something I would expect
14:43 <didrocks> I can understand the compliance regulation though
14:43 <Laney> what is this spec?
14:43 <seb128> Wimpress, I guess it's up to you to decide on whether we do that an OEM image setting or a default Ubuntu one
14:43 <seb128> Laney, https://www.energystar.gov/products/spec/computers_version_8_0_pd
14:44 <Wimpress> New device shipped with Ubuntu from OEMs should comply with that.
14:44 <Laney> feels like a bit of a crappy default to me
14:44 <seb128> k
14:44 <Wimpress> Hence the request.
14:44 <seb128> so I think you got the team consensus
14:44 <Wimpress> It is a setting a would change for sure.
14:44 <seb128> we don't like it
14:45 <seb128> Wimpress, now your call on OEM only or not
14:45 <Wimpress> OK. I'll ask the OEM team to carry their own override.
14:45 <seb128> thanks
14:45 <seb128> (I guess it means win10 also default to that on new laptops now?)
14:46 <Laney> (don't forget to rls-ff-notfixing / close the bug too)
14:46 <Wimpress> Yep and macOS. But only if the intend to comply with the spec.
14:47 <seb128> k, let's move on I guess
14:48 <Wimpress> OK, bug updated and closed.
14:48 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1866044
14:48 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1866044 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with signal 5 in clutter_box_layout_allocate() ("ClutterBoxLayout child Gjs_ui_shellEntry_CapsLockWarning natural height: 0.000000 < minimum 24.000000 for width ...") when enable-animations=false" [High,Fix committed]
14:48 <Wimpress> Fixed upstream it appears.
14:49 <Trevinho> in the ppa waiting for icu transition...
14:49 <seb128> Trevinho, that ppa landed earlier today
14:49 <seb128> well, in focal proposed
14:49 <seb128> set it to fix commited now I guess
14:49 <Laney> it is!
14:49 <Wimpress> OK, so it will autoclose soon.
14:49 <Trevinho> yeah, so well s/ppa/proposed
14:50 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1807276
14:50 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1807276 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Cannot open Onscreen Keyboard in Xorg" [Medium,Triaged]
14:50 <Wimpress> Mark as rls-notfixing.
14:50 <Wimpress> I'll remove the champagne bug.
14:50 <Laney> yup
14:51 <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1865845
14:51 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1865845 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "No UI indication for fingerprint enrolling progress" [Low,Incomplete]
14:52 <Wimpress> Trevinho: Is that one for you?
14:52 <seb128> oem cares about it, we should at least accomodate for the change asked in the most recent comment imhp
14:52 <seb128> imho
14:52 <Wimpress> Looks trivial.
14:52 <Trevinho> Wimpress: yeah
14:52 <Trevinho> although....
14:52 <seb128> so +1 for nominating/assigning to Trevinho
14:52 <Trevinho> there's some design to do IMHO
14:52 <Trevinho> that view is crap, talk later
14:52 <Wimpress> Thanks. Assigned to you.
14:53 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1866841
14:53 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1866841 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Add chrome-gnome-shell to ubuntu-desktop recommends" [Wishlist,New]
14:53 <Wimpress> I'll take that one.
14:53 <Wimpress> I know the submitter.
14:53 <seb128> Wimpress, reject it you mean right?
14:53 <Wimpress> The answer is won't fix, right :-)
14:53 <seb128> :-)
14:54 <seb128> thx
14:54 <Wimpress> The new Extension app is the way to go now I believe?>
14:54 <Wimpress> I'll update it later.
14:55 <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1868666
14:55 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1868666 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashes when resuming from lock screen [st_widget_remove_accessible_state: assertion 'ST_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed]" [Undecided,New]
14:56 <seb128> is that another report of the segfault with disable-animation that is fixed with 3.36?
14:56 <seb128> Trevinho, ^
14:56 <Wimpress> Is was wondering that.
14:56 <Trevinho> mh need to look a bit deeper
14:57 <Laney> Looks like it to me, I would incomplete and ask Timo to try again with 3.36
14:57 <Wimpress> Worth assigning?
14:57 <Wimpress> Laney: OK.
14:57 <Laney> should land soon
14:58 <Trevinho> looks a bit different though
14:58 <Wimpress> I've commented.
14:59 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1866259
14:59 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1866259 in yaru-theme (Ubuntu Focal) "Text clipped on password overlay dialogues" [Undecided,Fix committed]
14:59 <Wimpress> Looks like it is fixed upstream and confirmed fixed.
14:59 <seb128> looks like that's fixed in proposed now?
15:00 <seb128> we got a new yaru landing with gnome-shell & co there
15:00 <Wimpress> Are any of those package set to autoclose this bug?
15:01 <seb128> launchpad timeouts on me so I can't check :/
15:01 <kenvandine> i was just grumbling about LP timing out
15:02 <Wimpress> I'll leave that one there and review in a couple of days.
15:02 <seb128> doesn't look like it does, I will manually clean up once it migrates
15:02 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
15:02 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd-glib/+bug/1866574
15:02 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1866574 in snapd-glib (Ubuntu Eoan) "Update to 1.56" [Medium,Confirmed]
15:02 <Wimpress> Looks like robert should beassigned.
15:03 <Laney> yus
15:03 <Wimpress> Done
15:03 <seb128> it should be closed
15:03 <seb128> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd-glib/1.56-0ubuntu1
15:03 <kenvandine> no bug reference
15:04 * kenvandine closed
15:04 <seb128> thx
15:04 <Wimpress> I will closed with a comment later. LP is sick.
15:05 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/exiv2/+bug/1715931
15:05 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1715931 in exiv2 (Ubuntu Focal) "Update to exiv2 version 0.27" [Wishlist,Fix committed]
15:05 <seb128> Wimpress, that's to close as well, that version is in focal for a while now
15:06 <tjaalton> seb128: enabling animations does prevent the crash, fwiw
15:06 <seb128> tjaalton, k, good, so hopefully the same issue than the one fixed in 3.36
15:06 <tjaalton> ok
15:06 <Wimpress> Thanks tjaalton
15:07 <Wimpress> I am closing the exiv2 bug.
15:07 <Wimpress> ...or will...
15:07 <Wimpress> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
15:07 <Wimpress> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
15:07 <seb128> I can do that one
15:07 <seb128> but basically icu migrated and cleared most of the list
15:08 <seb128> current backlog is mostly things waiting for arm to catch up
15:08 <Wimpress> Yep, I already have 202 new packages since yesterday evening :-)
15:08 <seb128> and libraw/libcaca needing i386 crossbuild fixes, I will do those
15:08 <Wimpress> Thanks seb128
15:08 <seb128> np
15:08 <Wimpress> Anything else in there not ICU related?
15:09 <seb128> ICU is off, but nothing else out of waiting and some retries maybe
15:09 <seb128> I think we can move to AOB
15:09 <Wimpress> OK, great.
15:09 <Wimpress> #topic AOB
15:10 <seb128> we are mostly done on 3.36 but still some updates and merges to claim on https://trello.com/b/z29JJK3q/gnome-336
15:10 <Wimpress> I have a couple of questions.
15:10 <seb128> I'm trying to get things done but lockdown is making my days a bit challening and I've other things I delayed, so help would be welcome still
15:11 <Wimpress> Actually. I have no questions. I will wait for 3.36 to land.
15:11 <seb128> Wimpress, sorry, your turn now :p
15:11 <Laney> sry got called away
15:11 <Wimpress> seb128: I am happy to help with GNOME packaging work.
15:11 <Laney> I noticed that Daniel has been unassigning himself from rls bugs
15:11 <seb128> Wimpress, great, let's talk after the meeting then
15:11 <Wimpress> Sadly, our plan for me to learn from you in Frankfurt got delayed.
15:11 <seb128> Laney, which ones?
15:11 <Laney> should we have ... a ... converstaion about that? :-)
15:11 <Laney> oh gosh
15:11 <Wimpress> If you can spare the time, I'm happy to do some.
15:11 <Laney> I can find out if you want
15:12 <seb128> Laney, plymouth ones?
15:12 <seb128> or others?
15:12 <Laney> could be
15:12 <seb128> (I've the plymouth work on my list)
15:12 <Wimpress> OK
15:12 <Wimpress> One is for Trevinho about X11 fractional scaling.
15:12 <Wimpress> We agree to proceed.
15:12 <Wimpress> Do you have what you need?
15:12 <seb128> no
15:13 <seb128> Robert sent an email, he has the patch done
15:13 <seb128> but we didn't get the string from design
15:13 <Wimpress> OK
15:13 <seb128> can you chase that?
15:13 <Wimpress> Add to my list of design chase requests.
15:13 <Wimpress> I will.
15:13 <seb128> thanks
15:13 <seb128> Laney, the one I was thinking about is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/1867909 but wasn't rls tracking
15:13 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1865161 in casper (Ubuntu Focal) "duplicate for #1867909 Written "press return to shutdown the computer" does not appear." [Critical,Confirmed]
15:14 <seb128> Laney, I will mention to him that he shouldn't unassign himself from rls assigned bugs though
15:15 <Laney> thx
15:15 <Trevinho> So... on that g-c-c thing, I submitted a bug on upstream design https://gitlab.gnome.org/Teams/Design/settings-mockups/-/issues/18 but well, I assume we can't wait for that to be fully addressed, but we have to fix this ourselves, mostly because the current view (other than ugly) makes impossible to have some drivers (i.e. godix, i.e. xps13) to do proper enrollment as they need more stages
15:15 <Wimpress> I want to preserve flicker free boot. How optimistic are we feeling about fixing it?
15:15 <Trevinho> than the UI can. So I think we'd need some UIFe for it.
15:15 <seb128> Wimpress, I'm more optimistic now that I was when Dimitri raise the problems
15:16 <Laney> 7 minutes, pfft, these people are LAZY!
15:16 <Wimpress> Can you file the UIFe please Trevinho
15:16 <Trevinho> ok
15:16 <seb128> Wimpress, it would help if someone could confirm fsck integration was/is still working with the 'old' ubuntu-logo theme
15:16 <seb128> I'm not convinced that's a theme regression
15:16 <Wimpress> Understood.
15:16 <seb128> I can't get it to work with the old theme either
15:17 <Wimpress> I will ask some community members to assist with testing.
15:17 <seb128> also if anyone has some debugging/hacking clue on how to similate the liveCD boot mode that would be useful
15:18 <Wimpress> What do you mean by that?
15:18 <seb128> Daniel didn't really manage to find a way to get a debug setup working for that it looks like
15:18 <seb128> Wimpress, the ISO boot doing the checksum
15:18 <Wimpress> Is testing in an EFI boot VM suitable?
15:18 <seb128> unsure if that can be emulated from an active system or something you can ssh to
15:18 <seb128> so get debug info, poke, etc
15:19 <Wimpress> I have flicker free boot working in QEMU.
15:19 <seb128> well it's rather being able to get a ssh prompt/command line at the time the issue is happening
15:19 <seb128> right
15:19 <Wimpress> I see.
15:19 <seb128> but to be able to debug why the checksum messages are not showing it would help to have a command line at that time
15:19 <seb128> neither Daniel or I are familiar with liveCD/iso debuggign though
15:19 <seb128> but probably not a meeting topic either
15:19 <Laney> there won't be network at that time
15:21 <Wimpress> So, something to investigate them.
15:21 <seb128> Wimpress, anyway, I just wanted to mention that, end of the plymouth topic I think
15:21 <Wimpress> Anything else?
15:21 <seb128> not from me
15:21 <hellsworth> nothing here
15:21 <Wimpress> One last thing.
15:22 <Wimpress> We're all going to be impacted by COVID19 in some way or other in the coming weeks/months.
15:22 <Laney> Trevinho: If you get some design work done by Canonical on that bug, please try to get them to do it on Gitlab rather than the Ubuntu wiki or a Google doc or anywhere weird like that ... :)
15:22 <Wimpress> If you need anything, let me or your manager know so we help.
15:23 <hellsworth> thank you Wimpress
15:23 <Trevinho> Laney: yeah, I wish I could.. Wimpress any string I can pull to get that?
15:24 <Laney> thanks Wimpress!
15:24 <Wimpress> Trevinho: I'll get you "the best words" today.
15:24 <Wimpress> Right, all done then?
15:25 <Laney> yus
15:25 <seb128> looks like it
15:25 <Wimpress> Yep.
15:25 <Trevinho> yep
15:25 <Wimpress> Thanks everyone.
15:25 <Wimpress> #endmeeting