14:31 <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-03-10 14:31 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar 10 14:31:15 2020 UTC. The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 14:31 <meetingology> 14:31 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 14:31 <didrocks> Hey hellsworth 14:31 <hellsworth> hi there didrocks ! 14:32 <seb128> Roll call: didrocks, duflu (out), heather, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson (out), oSoMoN (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out) 14:32 <Trevinho> o/ 14:32 <hellsworth> o/ 14:32 <seb128> I hope everyone travelled back without issue and is feeling good 14:32 <seb128> hey Trevinho :) 14:32 <kenvandine> o/ 14:33 <jibel> hi 14:33 <seb128> k, let's get started 14:33 <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bugs 14:33 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html 14:33 <seb128> no desktop item 14:34 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html 14:34 <seb128> bug #1866574 14:34 <ubot5> bug 1866574 in snapd-glib (Ubuntu Eoan) "Update to 1.56" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1866574 14:34 <seb128> kenvandine, I think Robert intend to do those updates, can you remind him to assign himself when he targets a serie? 14:35 <kenvandine> i will 14:35 <seb128> thanks 14:35 <seb128> bug #1855893 the oem guy who was assigned removed the assignment 14:35 <ubot5> bug 1855893 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu Bionic) "Properly let PCM leave suspended state when hardware doesn't support PCM resume" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1855893 14:36 <seb128> I ping on the bug asking why 14:36 <seb128> other ones are nm that I sitll need to clear and incomplete ones 14:36 <seb128> #topic rls-ee-bugs 14:37 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html 14:37 <seb128> no desktop item 14:37 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html 14:37 <seb128> snapd-glib also there 14:37 <seb128> & nm 14:37 <seb128> but otherwise nothing interesting 14:37 <seb128> #topic rls-ff-bugs 14:37 * Trevinho just lost connection, let me know if I lost pings 14:38 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html 14:38 <seb128> Trevinho, you didn't 14:38 <hellsworth> lol 14:38 <Trevinho> ta 14:38 <seb128> 23 items, shrug 14:38 <seb128> k, Daniel nominated half his bugs 14:39 <seb128> I will skip the gnome-shell stack ones for today and ask Daniel to review/sort those out with Marco for next week 14:39 <Trevinho> k 14:39 <Laney> at least https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1725180 happened on 2020-02-07 so why are we still looking at it now? 14:39 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1725180 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Shell animations are not smooth" [Medium,Triaged] 14:40 <seb128> let's review that one 14:40 <Trevinho> Laney: I think it depends on latest gjs 14:40 <Trevinho> but will be addressed anywyas 14:40 <seb128> I don't think it needs rls tracking, Daniel is obviously on it and gjs will be updated 14:40 <seb128> I +1 rls-ff-notfixing 14:40 <Trevinho> yeah, we can 14:40 <Laney> indeed 14:41 <seb128> k, done 14:42 <seb128> bug #1865838 14:42 <ubot5> bug 1865838 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "no error displayed on failed fingerprint authentification" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865838 14:42 <Trevinho> fine with that 14:43 <seb128> I don't think it's frequent/important enough to be rls targetted 14:43 <Trevinho> not sure is gdm3 though 14:43 <seb128> unless oem believe it's important 14:43 <Trevinho> seb128: ah ok... I assumed that was the case 14:43 <seb128> Trevinho, that's the one Benjamin gave details about on the upstream report 14:43 <seb128> I will follow up with oem 14:43 <seb128> if they want it I said we rls target 14:43 <Trevinho> well those fprint issues are all per OEM decisions 14:43 <seb128> otherwise if it's medium important we rls-ff-notfix 14:44 <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1864052 this one should be assessed 14:44 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1864052 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGABRT in src/core/window.c:1591:meta_window_unmanage: assertion failed: (g_list_find (workspace->windows, window) == NULL)" [Medium,Confirmed] 14:44 <seb128> are we done with the fingerprint one? 14:45 <seb128> let's stick to what I said for it if no-one disagree 14:45 <seb128> Trevinho, ^ any input on that gnome-shell? 14:45 <Laney> umm ok sorry for interrupting, that sounded to me like a decision 14:45 <seb128> Laney, another reason I wanted to skip the shell ones is that I would guess a part of the issue are fixed in 3.36 14:45 <seb128> I don't want to 'waste' energy on reviewing things that are already fixed 14:46 <seb128> we should get those updates out, then we can properly look at remaining issues 14:46 <Laney> don't agree, but fine 14:46 <seb128> but if you think we should review that one now it's fine 14:46 <Trevinho> seb128: I think I did the previous fix for that, should be probably be addresse 14:46 <seb128> Trevinho, ^ does that ring a bell/any opinion? 14:46 <Laney> I think there are clearly ones to review in the list 14:46 <seb128> Trevinho, k, can you assign to yourself and put on your backlog? 14:46 <Laney> like this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1825710 14:46 <Trevinho> k 14:46 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1825710 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Remove "Application is ready" notification" [Wishlist,Triaged] 14:46 <Laney> obviously gonig to be a notfixing and there's no point skipping it 14:47 <seb128> k 14:47 <seb128> let's do this one 14:47 <seb128> +1 for not-fixing 14:47 <seb128> others? 14:47 <seb128> I mean what do others think, I guess it's a no discussion/agreement? 14:47 <Trevinho> it may be related to the other issue we've in rls tracking that was causing crashes on java apps though 14:48 <Laney> agreed 14:49 <Laney> suspicious tag addition imho 14:49 <Laney> ;-) 14:49 <hellsworth> from the user perspective, it is an annoying bug/feature 14:49 <seb128> bug #1859782 14:49 <ubot5> bug 1859782 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xwayland apps like glxgears or Chromium report 58 FPS on a 60Hz display" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1859782 14:49 <seb128> xwayland and need Daniel's eyes to see the issue 14:49 <seb128> I vote notfixing 14:50 <Laney> yup 14:50 <hellsworth> seems pretty minor so i vote notfixing too 14:51 <seb128> bug #1862308 14:51 <ubot5> bug 1862308 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Desktop wallpaper is slightly blurry in Gnome 3.34" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1862308 14:51 <seb128> notfixing imho, unsure anyone else than Daniel would notice 14:51 <seb128> and he's assigned/can work on it if he wants anyway 14:52 <hellsworth> since the wallpaper is the first thing someone sees when they login, i would vote for fixing but it looks like upstream is working on it 14:52 <hellsworth> so is there anything for us to do anyways? 14:52 <Laney> he's got a patch that he is arguing to be taken before upstream merges it 14:52 <Laney> so not sure what the rls angle is there 14:52 <hellsworth> oh i see 14:52 <seb128> can you notice it being blurry? 14:52 <Laney> no 14:53 <seb128> so I vote notfixing 14:53 <hellsworth> ok fair enough. looks fine to me :) 14:53 <kenvandine> me either 14:53 <seb128> Heather vote fixing 14:53 <seb128> others? 14:53 <hellsworth> notfix 14:53 <hellsworth> i changed my mind 14:53 <didrocks> agreed on notfix 14:53 <seb128> k, done 14:53 <kenvandine> notfix 14:53 <seb128> bug #1865865 14:53 <ubot5> bug 1865865 in gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu) "Icon spring animation starts/ends in the wrong location (near the top of the dock) " [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865865 14:53 <Laney> +1 14:53 <Laney> also known, also Trevinho is already working on it I think 14:53 <Trevinho> yeah 14:53 <seb128> k, wfm 14:53 <Trevinho> part of the dock fixes 14:54 <seb128> bug #1866275 14:54 <ubot5> bug 1866275 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Password overlay dialogue breaks during screen lock while overlay present" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1866275 14:54 <Laney> this is one to wait and see if you want 14:54 <Laney> but if not fixed it should probably be taken 14:54 <Laney> I'd say 14:54 <seb128> it seems annoying indeed 14:54 <seb128> let's target 14:55 <seb128> I will assign to Daniel since he's less busy than Trevinho 14:55 <Laney> the upstream bug is still open so seems less likely to be fixed but maybe nobody noticed the issue on gitlab 14:55 <Laney> thx 14:55 <seb128> bug #1864127 14:55 <ubot5> bug 1864127 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "apparmor denies ~/snap/chromium/ writes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1864127 14:55 <seb128> osomon said he would look at that but he's out today 14:55 <Laney> sounds like the same auto refresh thing anyway 14:56 <Laney> to me 14:56 <seb128> I will check with him and get it out of the list if that's what he recommends 14:56 <seb128> yes, same 14:56 <seb128> bug #1864644 14:56 <ubot5> bug 1864644 in linux (Ubuntu) "I get logged out immediately after login to an X session (QXL Xorg driver on kernel 5.4)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1864644 14:57 <seb128> I'm not familar enough about what video drivers are 'standard' in vms 14:57 <seb128> what do other think? 14:57 <seb128> 1 affected user, no duplicate 14:58 <seb128> I would vote notfixing on the assuption it's not impacting a lot of users but I'm unsure if that assumption is true 14:58 <Laney> hmm interesting 14:59 <seb128> (sorry I'm a virtualbox user :p) 14:59 <hellsworth> maybe notfix unless others report the issue? 14:59 <Laney> that sounds like a systemd bug that I fixed in like January, I thought we had it in Ubuntu already 14:59 <Laney> but it looks like not 14:59 <Laney> laney@disco (master|…)> git tag --contains 625077264ba01a108386eeea733ee244e6b7ff14 ~/dev/random/systemd 14:59 <Laney> v245 14:59 <Laney> I would say reassign to systemd, and let me comment with the commits they need 14:59 <seb128> Laney, thanks 14:59 <Laney> hopefully foundations will pick it up from there 15:00 <seb128> reassigned 15:00 <Laney> thx 15:00 <seb128> I keep the tag so they can review it :) 15:00 <seb128> bug #1865222 15:00 <ubot5> bug 1865222 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "windows disappearing unless in Activities view" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865222 15:01 <seb128> it seems an annoying issue but I didn't hit it and didn't see other mention 15:01 <seb128> I would notfix unless/until we get more reports 15:01 <seb128> wdyt? 15:01 <hellsworth> agreed 15:02 <seb128> k, let's do that 15:02 <seb128> bug #1866194 15:02 <ubot5> bug 1866194 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "After connecting a Bluetooth headset or speaker, it shows up in the sound output options but the sound keeps being emitted from the internal laptop speaker" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1866194 15:02 <Beret> uh 15:02 <Beret> we can't fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1825710 ? 15:02 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1825710 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Remove "Application is ready" notification" [Wishlist,Triaged] 15:04 <Eickmeyer[m]> Not sure if I'm barking up the right tree here, but can I get a merge on some changes to the Ubiquity Slideshow for Ubuntu Studio? https://code.launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubuntustudio/+merge/380461 15:04 <seb128> Eickmeyer[m], hey, we are in the middle of a team meeting, and try #ubuntu-devel maybe? 15:04 <Eickmeyer[m]> seb128: My bad. Thanks! 15:04 <seb128> Beret, we can but it's too low priority to get the required ressources allocated this cycle, feel free to discuss priorities with Wimpress and get that changed if you wish though :) 15:05 <Laney> It's really tied up with doing some work on focus stealing prevention imo 15:05 <seb128> so, that pulseaudio bug 15:06 <Beret> yeah I guess it would be good to know what it's competing with 15:06 <Beret> it is annoying 15:06 <seb128> I will ask questions, I don't have an opinion with the info the bug has 15:06 <Beret> some apps are worse than others 15:06 <seb128> Beret, yeah, well the notification is useful, it shouldn't just be displayed as often it is/we have buggy cases 15:07 <seb128> Beret, so it's not as simple as removing it 15:07 <Beret> so I don't even know what it means 15:07 <seb128> if you click on something slooow to start 15:07 <seb128> let's say eclipse 15:07 <seb128> and go write an email 15:07 <seb128> you dont want what you type stop going to the email 30s later 15:07 <seb128> eclipse should open in the background 15:07 <seb128> and tell you it is loaded 15:08 <seb128> now if you click on nautilus and the dialog is displayed the next second it should be in front and not show a notification 15:08 <Beret> I disagree with that 15:08 <Beret> if I start an application, I expect it to steal the focus, that's the whole point 15:08 <Laney> what if it's a telegram snap and it steals your password from the terminal? 15:09 <Beret> context matters - I *launched the application* 15:09 <Beret> it's not like it decided to open itself 15:09 <seb128> well, you do, but then it's so slow to open that you go something else 15:09 <seb128> like use your command line 15:09 <Beret> that's fine 15:09 <seb128> or type a private reply on IRC 15:09 <seb128> anyway 15:09 <hellsworth> but the snap might take 15s to start. in that time you go start typing your password in the terminal but partway through the snap does launch, steals the focus, and your pw is printed there 15:10 <Beret> this is a case in which you're technically correct and practically completely wrong 15:10 <seb128> did you ever have issue with the focus stealing prevention under unity7? 15:10 <Beret> no 15:10 <seb128> had 15:10 <seb128> see 15:10 <seb128> and it was present there 15:10 <hellsworth> perhaps the bug is the best place for the back and forth on what the behavior should be 15:10 <Beret> so this is broken, we're agreed :) 15:10 <seb128> just not buggy 15:10 <seb128> yes 15:10 <seb128> anyway, it's buggy and we know it 15:11 <seb128> just dealing with focus is non trivial code and it needs work to be resolved 15:11 <seb128> so we need resources allocated 15:11 <seb128> we are not going to resolve that now, but let's discuss with Wimpress later if you want 15:11 <Beret> ok 15:11 <seb128> thanks 15:11 <Beret> yeah, I'd like to know what its competing against 15:11 <seb128> (also we are in the middle of reviewing champagne bugs as part of our team meeting) 15:11 <seb128> so let's go back to that :) 15:12 <seb128> bug #1866194 15:12 <ubot5> bug 1866194 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "After connecting a Bluetooth headset or speaker, it shows up in the sound output options but the sound keeps being emitted from the internal laptop speaker" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1866194 15:12 <Beret> even while having this conversation I've had people privately pinging me with "Yes, that's been annoyihng me forever" 15:12 <Beret> sorry, didn't realize you were in a meeting 15:12 <Beret> I'll shut up :) 15:12 <kenvandine> :) 15:12 * Beret goes back to his hole 15:12 <seb128> sooo 15:13 <seb128> does anyone know if that pulseaudio issue is new/a regression 15:13 <seb128> or specific to some hardware? 15:14 <Laney> don't know 15:14 <kenvandine> actually, this might not even be bluetooth specific 15:14 <kenvandine> last week i had this issue when plugging in my usb headphones 15:14 <seb128> sorry it's taking a while today, let's try to finish the rls list 15:15 <kenvandine> but after unplugging and plugging in again it worked 15:15 <seb128> I will ask questions/test and let's revisit this one with more data next week 15:15 <kenvandine> so maybe it's just sound devices add/remove 15:15 <seb128> right 15:15 <seb128> if others want to play with that please do 15:15 <kenvandine> which i think is a regression 15:15 <seb128> and we discuss it again next week 15:15 <kenvandine> i'll comment 15:15 <seb128> thanks 15:15 <seb128> bug #1866616 15:15 <ubot5> bug 1866616 in xorg (Ubuntu) "2nd display stopped working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1866616 15:16 <seb128> that one rather looks like a kernel bug to me 15:16 <seb128> and no proof it's impacting enough users to be rls at this point 15:18 <seb128> I'm just going to go through the remaining bugs, stop me if you disagree 15:18 <seb128> (the meeting is getting looong) 15:18 <seb128> bug #1864274 15:18 <ubot5> bug 1864274 in mesa (Ubuntu) "crunchy pixels" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1864274 15:18 <seb128> it's an understood upstream issue, I will assign to tjaalton 15:18 <seb128> bug #1865221 15:18 <ubot5> bug 1865221 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Workspace switcher scaling up and down depending on the number of active workspaces" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865221 15:19 <seb128> upstream can't reproduce, let's see if 3.36 still has it, doesn't seem import enough to be rls bug anyway 15:19 <seb128> bug #1847712 15:19 <ubot5> bug 1847712 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Desktop icons vanishing when in Activities Overview is jarring and looks ugly" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1847712 15:19 <seb128> Daniel has a fix proposed, so I'm just going to let it to him 15:19 <seb128> and target 15:20 <seb128> and the last 2 are fix commited 15:20 <seb128> thanks everyone, long review list today 15:20 <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages 15:20 <didrocks> thanks seb128 for keeping up with it :) 15:20 <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages 15:20 <seb128> Laney, want to do it or should I? 15:21 <seb128> k, I'm going to assume it's fine if I handle it 15:21 <hellsworth> libreoffice says it requires icu to migrate but icu isn't in proposed. any advice on how to move forward getting 6.4.1 past this? 15:22 <seb128> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/icu 15:22 <seb128> it's in proposed 15:22 <Laney> you can 15:22 <hellsworth> well i take that back. it is in proposed but doesn't seem stuck 15:22 <Laney> it's reasonably self explanatory anyway this week 15:22 <hellsworth> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#icu 15:22 <seb128> it's a candidate 15:22 <seb128> but it's a transition, all rdepends need to be rebuilt 15:23 <seb128> see https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt (but it's difficult to parse/understand) 15:23 <hellsworth> ok so candidate means it's waiting for depends to be rebuilt 15:23 <seb128> yes, which the report has a stack, but https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt basically tell you what is missing 15:24 <hellsworth> ok thanks for the link 15:24 <seb128> np 15:24 <seb128> ideally it would show up on https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/ 15:24 <seb128> otherwise gcr/libsecret build failures are on my plate 15:24 <Laney> it does 15:24 <hellsworth> Laney: what might be self explanitory to you might not me to others :) 15:25 <Laney> hm? 15:25 <Laney> I was replying to seb128 15:25 <seb128> Laney, ah, I though it was the previous one since it states 100% 15:25 <seb128> thanks for pointing that out :p 15:25 <Laney> np 15:26 <Laney> that probably means it waiting for some test failures to be resolved 15:26 <seb128> we need someone to look at ruby-gnome & sphinx on ppc to unblock webkit 15:26 <seb128> I will add a trello card 15:26 <seb128> if anyone volunteer feel free to add yourself 15:26 <seb128> otherwise we will end up volunteering someone :) 15:26 <seb128> and I think that's it 15:27 <seb128> #topic AOB 15:27 <seb128> I will remind the team about GNOME 3.36 & https://trello.com/b/z29JJK3q/gnome-336 15:27 <seb128> if you want to help that would be welcome 15:27 <seb128> Trevinho, please get those extension ported sooner than later if you can to unblock shell and co 15:28 <seb128> also UIF is next week if you have UI changes you still want to do 15:28 <seb128> and that's it for me 15:28 <seb128> anyone else with a topic? 15:29 <seb128> seems not, that's a wrap then 15:29 <seb128> sorry for the long meeting! 15:29 <seb128> #endmeeting