14:31 <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-03-10
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14:31 <didrocks> Hey hellsworth
14:31 <hellsworth> hi there didrocks !
14:32 <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu (out), heather, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson (out), oSoMoN (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
14:32 <Trevinho> o/
14:32 <hellsworth> o/
14:32 <seb128> I hope everyone travelled back without issue and is feeling good
14:32 <seb128> hey Trevinho :)
14:32 <kenvandine> o/
14:33 <jibel> hi
14:33 <seb128> k, let's get started
14:33 <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bugs
14:33 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
14:33 <seb128> no desktop item
14:34 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
14:34 <seb128> bug #1866574
14:34 <ubot5> bug 1866574 in snapd-glib (Ubuntu Eoan) "Update to 1.56" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1866574
14:34 <seb128> kenvandine, I think Robert intend to do those updates, can you remind him to assign himself when he targets a serie?
14:35 <kenvandine> i will
14:35 <seb128> thanks
14:35 <seb128> bug #1855893 the oem guy who was assigned removed the assignment
14:35 <ubot5> bug 1855893 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu Bionic) "Properly let PCM leave suspended state when hardware doesn't support PCM resume" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1855893
14:36 <seb128> I ping on the bug asking why
14:36 <seb128> other ones are nm that I sitll need to clear and incomplete ones
14:36 <seb128> #topic rls-ee-bugs
14:37 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html
14:37 <seb128> no desktop item
14:37 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html
14:37 <seb128> snapd-glib also there
14:37 <seb128> & nm
14:37 <seb128> but otherwise nothing interesting
14:37 <seb128> #topic rls-ff-bugs
14:37 * Trevinho just lost connection, let me know if I lost pings
14:38 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
14:38 <seb128> Trevinho, you didn't
14:38 <hellsworth> lol
14:38 <Trevinho> ta
14:38 <seb128> 23 items, shrug
14:38 <seb128> k, Daniel nominated half his bugs
14:39 <seb128> I will skip the gnome-shell stack ones for today and ask Daniel to review/sort those out with Marco for next week
14:39 <Trevinho> k
14:39 <Laney> at least https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1725180 happened on 2020-02-07 so why are we still looking at it now?
14:39 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1725180 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Shell animations are not smooth" [Medium,Triaged]
14:40 <seb128> let's review that one
14:40 <Trevinho> Laney: I think it depends on latest gjs
14:40 <Trevinho> but will be addressed anywyas
14:40 <seb128> I don't think it needs rls tracking, Daniel is obviously on it and gjs will be updated
14:40 <seb128> I +1 rls-ff-notfixing
14:40 <Trevinho> yeah, we can
14:40 <Laney> indeed
14:41 <seb128> k, done
14:42 <seb128> bug #1865838
14:42 <ubot5> bug 1865838 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "no error displayed on failed fingerprint authentification" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865838
14:42 <Trevinho> fine with that
14:43 <seb128> I don't think it's frequent/important enough to be rls targetted
14:43 <Trevinho> not sure is gdm3 though
14:43 <seb128> unless oem believe it's important
14:43 <Trevinho> seb128: ah ok... I assumed that was the case
14:43 <seb128> Trevinho, that's the one Benjamin gave details about on the upstream report
14:43 <seb128> I will follow up with oem
14:43 <seb128> if they want it I said we rls target
14:43 <Trevinho> well those fprint issues are all per OEM decisions
14:43 <seb128> otherwise if it's medium important we rls-ff-notfix
14:44 <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1864052 this one should be assessed
14:44 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1864052 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGABRT in src/core/window.c:1591:meta_window_unmanage: assertion failed: (g_list_find (workspace->windows, window) == NULL)" [Medium,Confirmed]
14:44 <seb128> are we done with the fingerprint one?
14:45 <seb128> let's stick to what I said for it if no-one disagree
14:45 <seb128> Trevinho, ^ any input on that gnome-shell?
14:45 <Laney> umm ok sorry for interrupting, that sounded to me like a decision
14:45 <seb128> Laney, another reason I wanted to skip the shell ones is that I would guess a part of the issue are fixed in 3.36
14:45 <seb128> I don't want to 'waste' energy on reviewing things that are already fixed
14:46 <seb128> we should get those updates out, then we can properly look at remaining issues
14:46 <Laney> don't agree, but fine
14:46 <seb128> but if you think we should review that one now it's fine
14:46 <Trevinho> seb128: I think I did the previous fix for that, should be probably be addresse
14:46 <seb128> Trevinho, ^ does that ring a bell/any opinion?
14:46 <Laney> I think there are clearly ones to review in the list
14:46 <seb128> Trevinho, k, can you assign to yourself and put on your backlog?
14:46 <Laney> like this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1825710
14:46 <Trevinho> k
14:46 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1825710 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Remove "Application is ready" notification" [Wishlist,Triaged]
14:46 <Laney> obviously gonig to be a notfixing and there's no point skipping it
14:47 <seb128> k
14:47 <seb128> let's do this one
14:47 <seb128> +1 for not-fixing
14:47 <seb128> others?
14:47 <seb128> I mean what do others think, I guess it's a no discussion/agreement?
14:47 <Trevinho> it may be related to the other issue we've in rls tracking that was causing crashes on java apps though
14:48 <Laney> agreed
14:49 <Laney> suspicious tag addition imho
14:49 <Laney> ;-)
14:49 <hellsworth> from the user perspective, it is an annoying bug/feature
14:49 <seb128> bug #1859782
14:49 <ubot5> bug 1859782 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xwayland apps like glxgears or Chromium report 58 FPS on a 60Hz display" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1859782
14:49 <seb128> xwayland and need Daniel's eyes to see the issue
14:49 <seb128> I vote notfixing
14:50 <Laney> yup
14:50 <hellsworth> seems pretty minor so i vote notfixing too
14:51 <seb128> bug #1862308
14:51 <ubot5> bug 1862308 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Desktop wallpaper is slightly blurry in Gnome 3.34" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1862308
14:51 <seb128> notfixing imho, unsure anyone else than Daniel would notice
14:51 <seb128> and he's assigned/can work on it if he wants anyway
14:52 <hellsworth> since the wallpaper is the first thing someone sees when they login, i would vote for fixing but it looks like upstream is working on it
14:52 <hellsworth> so is there anything for us to do anyways?
14:52 <Laney> he's got a patch that he is arguing to be taken before upstream merges it
14:52 <Laney> so not sure what the rls angle is there
14:52 <hellsworth> oh i see
14:52 <seb128> can you notice it being blurry?
14:52 <Laney> no
14:53 <seb128> so I vote notfixing
14:53 <hellsworth> ok fair enough. looks fine to me :)
14:53 <kenvandine> me either
14:53 <seb128> Heather vote fixing
14:53 <seb128> others?
14:53 <hellsworth> notfix
14:53 <hellsworth> i changed my mind
14:53 <didrocks> agreed on notfix
14:53 <seb128> k, done
14:53 <kenvandine> notfix
14:53 <seb128> bug #1865865
14:53 <ubot5> bug 1865865 in gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu) "Icon spring animation starts/ends in the wrong location (near the top of the dock) " [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865865
14:53 <Laney> +1
14:53 <Laney> also known, also Trevinho is already working on it I think
14:53 <Trevinho> yeah
14:53 <seb128> k, wfm
14:53 <Trevinho> part of the dock fixes
14:54 <seb128> bug #1866275
14:54 <ubot5> bug 1866275 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Password overlay dialogue breaks during screen lock while overlay present" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1866275
14:54 <Laney> this is one to wait and see if you want
14:54 <Laney> but if not fixed it should probably be taken
14:54 <Laney> I'd say
14:54 <seb128> it seems annoying indeed
14:54 <seb128> let's target
14:55 <seb128> I will assign to Daniel since he's less busy than Trevinho
14:55 <Laney> the upstream bug is still open so seems less likely to be fixed but maybe nobody noticed the issue on gitlab
14:55 <Laney> thx
14:55 <seb128> bug #1864127
14:55 <ubot5> bug 1864127 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "apparmor denies ~/snap/chromium/ writes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1864127
14:55 <seb128> osomon said he would look at that but he's out today
14:55 <Laney> sounds like the same auto refresh thing anyway
14:56 <Laney> to me
14:56 <seb128> I will check with him and get it out of the list if that's what he recommends
14:56 <seb128> yes, same
14:56 <seb128> bug #1864644
14:56 <ubot5> bug 1864644 in linux (Ubuntu) "I get logged out immediately after login to an X session (QXL Xorg driver on kernel 5.4)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1864644
14:57 <seb128> I'm not familar enough about what video drivers are 'standard' in vms
14:57 <seb128> what do other think?
14:57 <seb128> 1 affected user, no duplicate
14:58 <seb128> I would vote notfixing on the assuption it's not impacting a lot of users but I'm unsure if that assumption is true
14:58 <Laney> hmm interesting
14:59 <seb128> (sorry I'm a virtualbox user :p)
14:59 <hellsworth> maybe notfix unless others report the issue?
14:59 <Laney> that sounds like a systemd bug that I fixed in like January, I thought we had it in Ubuntu already
14:59 <Laney> but it looks like not
14:59 <Laney> laney@disco (master|…)> git tag --contains 625077264ba01a108386eeea733ee244e6b7ff14                                                                                                                            ~/dev/random/systemd
14:59 <Laney> v245
14:59 <Laney> I would say reassign to systemd, and let me comment with the commits they need
14:59 <seb128> Laney, thanks
14:59 <Laney> hopefully foundations will pick it up from there
15:00 <seb128> reassigned
15:00 <Laney> thx
15:00 <seb128> I keep the tag so they can review it :)
15:00 <seb128> bug #1865222
15:00 <ubot5> bug 1865222 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "windows disappearing unless in Activities view" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865222
15:01 <seb128> it seems an annoying issue but I didn't hit it and didn't see other mention
15:01 <seb128> I would notfix unless/until we get more reports
15:01 <seb128> wdyt?
15:01 <hellsworth> agreed
15:02 <seb128> k, let's do that
15:02 <seb128> bug #1866194
15:02 <ubot5> bug 1866194 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "After connecting a Bluetooth headset or speaker, it shows up in the sound output options but the sound keeps being emitted from the internal laptop speaker" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1866194
15:02 <Beret> uh
15:02 <Beret> we can't fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1825710 ?
15:02 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1825710 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Remove "Application is ready" notification" [Wishlist,Triaged]
15:04 <Eickmeyer[m]> Not sure if I'm barking up the right tree here, but can I get a merge on some changes to the Ubiquity Slideshow for Ubuntu Studio? https://code.launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubuntustudio/+merge/380461
15:04 <seb128> Eickmeyer[m], hey, we are in the middle of a team meeting, and try #ubuntu-devel maybe?
15:04 <Eickmeyer[m]> seb128: My bad. Thanks!
15:04 <seb128> Beret, we can but it's too low priority to get the required ressources allocated this cycle, feel free to discuss priorities with Wimpress and get that changed if you wish though :)
15:05 <Laney> It's really tied up with doing some work on focus stealing prevention imo
15:05 <seb128> so, that pulseaudio bug
15:06 <Beret> yeah I guess it would be good to know what it's competing with
15:06 <Beret> it is annoying
15:06 <seb128> I will ask questions, I don't have an opinion with the info the bug has
15:06 <Beret> some apps are worse than others
15:06 <seb128> Beret, yeah, well the notification is useful, it shouldn't just be displayed as often it is/we have buggy cases
15:07 <seb128> Beret, so it's not as simple as removing it
15:07 <Beret> so I don't even know what it means
15:07 <seb128> if you click on something slooow to start
15:07 <seb128> let's say eclipse
15:07 <seb128> and go write an email
15:07 <seb128> you dont want what you type stop going to the email 30s later
15:07 <seb128> eclipse should open in the background
15:07 <seb128> and tell you it is loaded
15:08 <seb128> now if you click on nautilus and the dialog is displayed the next second it should be in front and not show a notification
15:08 <Beret> I disagree with that
15:08 <Beret> if I start an application, I expect it to steal the focus, that's the whole point
15:08 <Laney> what if it's a telegram snap and it steals your password from the terminal?
15:09 <Beret> context matters - I *launched the application*
15:09 <Beret> it's not like it decided to open itself
15:09 <seb128> well, you do, but then it's so slow to open that you go something else
15:09 <seb128> like use your command line
15:09 <Beret> that's fine
15:09 <seb128> or type a private reply on IRC
15:09 <seb128> anyway
15:09 <hellsworth> but the snap might take 15s to start. in that time you go start typing your password in the terminal but partway through the snap does launch, steals the focus, and your pw is printed there
15:10 <Beret> this is a case in which you're technically correct and practically completely wrong
15:10 <seb128> did you ever have issue with the focus stealing prevention under unity7?
15:10 <Beret> no
15:10 <seb128> had
15:10 <seb128> see
15:10 <seb128> and it was present there
15:10 <hellsworth> perhaps the bug is the best place for the back and forth on what the behavior should be
15:10 <Beret> so this is broken, we're agreed :)
15:10 <seb128> just not buggy
15:10 <seb128> yes
15:10 <seb128> anyway, it's buggy and we know it
15:11 <seb128> just dealing with focus is non trivial code and it needs work to be resolved
15:11 <seb128> so we need resources allocated
15:11 <seb128> we are not going to resolve that now, but let's discuss with Wimpress later if you want
15:11 <Beret> ok
15:11 <seb128> thanks
15:11 <Beret> yeah, I'd like to know what its competing against
15:11 <seb128> (also we are in the middle of reviewing champagne bugs as part of our team meeting)
15:11 <seb128> so let's go back to that :)
15:12 <seb128> bug #1866194
15:12 <ubot5> bug 1866194 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "After connecting a Bluetooth headset or speaker, it shows up in the sound output options but the sound keeps being emitted from the internal laptop speaker" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1866194
15:12 <Beret> even while having this conversation I've had people privately pinging me with "Yes, that's been annoyihng me forever"
15:12 <Beret> sorry, didn't realize you were in a meeting
15:12 <Beret> I'll shut up :)
15:12 <kenvandine> :)
15:12 * Beret goes back to his hole
15:12 <seb128> sooo
15:13 <seb128> does anyone know if that pulseaudio issue is new/a regression
15:13 <seb128> or specific to some hardware?
15:14 <Laney> don't know
15:14 <kenvandine> actually, this might not even be bluetooth specific
15:14 <kenvandine> last week i had this issue when plugging in my usb headphones
15:14 <seb128> sorry it's taking a while today, let's try to finish the rls list
15:15 <kenvandine> but after unplugging and plugging in again it worked
15:15 <seb128> I will ask questions/test and let's revisit this one with more data next week
15:15 <kenvandine> so maybe it's just sound devices add/remove
15:15 <seb128> right
15:15 <seb128> if others want to play with that please do
15:15 <kenvandine> which i think is a regression
15:15 <seb128> and we discuss it again next week
15:15 <kenvandine> i'll comment
15:15 <seb128> thanks
15:15 <seb128> bug #1866616
15:15 <ubot5> bug 1866616 in xorg (Ubuntu) "2nd display stopped working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1866616
15:16 <seb128> that one rather looks like a kernel bug to me
15:16 <seb128> and no proof it's impacting enough users to be rls at this point
15:18 <seb128> I'm just going to go through the remaining bugs, stop me if you disagree
15:18 <seb128> (the meeting is getting looong)
15:18 <seb128> bug #1864274
15:18 <ubot5> bug 1864274 in mesa (Ubuntu) "crunchy pixels" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1864274
15:18 <seb128> it's an understood upstream issue, I will assign to tjaalton
15:18 <seb128> bug #1865221
15:18 <ubot5> bug 1865221 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Workspace switcher scaling up and down depending on the number of active workspaces" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865221
15:19 <seb128> upstream can't reproduce, let's see if 3.36 still has it, doesn't seem import enough to be rls bug anyway
15:19 <seb128> bug #1847712
15:19 <ubot5> bug 1847712 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Desktop icons vanishing when in Activities Overview is jarring and looks ugly" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1847712
15:19 <seb128> Daniel has a fix proposed, so I'm just going to let it to him
15:19 <seb128> and target
15:20 <seb128> and the last 2 are fix commited
15:20 <seb128> thanks everyone, long review list today
15:20 <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
15:20 <didrocks> thanks seb128 for keeping up with it :)
15:20 <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
15:20 <seb128> Laney, want to do it or should I?
15:21 <seb128> k, I'm going to assume it's fine if I handle it
15:21 <hellsworth> libreoffice says it requires icu to migrate but icu isn't in proposed. any advice on how to move forward getting 6.4.1 past this?
15:22 <seb128> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/icu
15:22 <seb128> it's in proposed
15:22 <Laney> you can
15:22 <hellsworth> well i take that back. it is in proposed but doesn't seem stuck
15:22 <Laney> it's reasonably self explanatory anyway this week
15:22 <hellsworth> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#icu
15:22 <seb128> it's a candidate
15:22 <seb128> but it's a transition, all rdepends need to be rebuilt
15:23 <seb128> see https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt (but it's difficult to parse/understand)
15:23 <hellsworth> ok so candidate means it's waiting for depends to be rebuilt
15:23 <seb128> yes, which the report has a stack, but https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt basically tell you what is missing
15:24 <hellsworth> ok thanks for the link
15:24 <seb128> np
15:24 <seb128> ideally it would show up on https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/
15:24 <seb128> otherwise gcr/libsecret build failures are on my plate
15:24 <Laney> it does
15:24 <hellsworth> Laney: what might be self explanitory to you might not me to others :)
15:25 <Laney> hm?
15:25 <Laney> I was replying to seb128
15:25 <seb128> Laney, ah, I though it was the previous one since it states 100%
15:25 <seb128> thanks for pointing that out :p
15:25 <Laney> np
15:26 <Laney> that probably means it waiting for some test failures to be resolved
15:26 <seb128> we need someone to look at ruby-gnome & sphinx on ppc to unblock webkit
15:26 <seb128> I will add a trello card
15:26 <seb128> if anyone volunteer feel free to add yourself
15:26 <seb128> otherwise we will end up volunteering someone :)
15:26 <seb128> and I think that's it
15:27 <seb128> #topic AOB
15:27 <seb128> I will remind the team about GNOME 3.36 & https://trello.com/b/z29JJK3q/gnome-336
15:27 <seb128> if you want to help that would be welcome
15:27 <seb128> Trevinho, please get those extension ported sooner than later if you can to unblock shell and co
15:28 <seb128> also UIF is next week if you have UI changes you still want to do
15:28 <seb128> and that's it for me
15:28 <seb128> anyone else with a topic?
15:29 <seb128> seems not, that's a wrap then
15:29 <seb128> sorry for the long meeting!
15:29 <seb128> #endmeeting