== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-desktop: Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-02-18, 18 Feb at 14:31 — 15:31 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-02-18-14.31.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== rls-bb-bugs ===
The discussion about "rls-bb-bugs" started at 14:33.

  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' http://launchpad.net/bugs/1863724 

=== rls-ee-bugs ===
The discussion about "rls-ee-bugs" started at 14:39.

  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' http://launchpad.net/bugs/1853768 

=== rls-ff-bugs ===
The discussion about "rls-ff-bugs" started at 14:42.

  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' http://launchpad.net/bugs/1862169 
  * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1776447 
  * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1861769 
  * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1861409 
  * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1862531 
  * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1861310 
  * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1860540 
  * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1838151 
  * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1848326 
  * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1848951 
  * ''LINK:'' https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages 

=== update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages ===
The discussion about "update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages" started at 15:12.

  * ''LINK:'' https://trello.com/c/5lJGMuXL/123-gscan2pdf-arm64-autopkgtest-fails 

=== AOB ===
The discussion about "AOB" started at 15:20.

  * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=951213 
  * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=951213 ?
  * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends/+bug/1862926?_ga=2.172825632.2092980052.1581966388-909070028.1563372650 



== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * seb128 (90)
 * Wimpress (83)
 * Laney (19)
 * ubot5 (15)
 * marcustomlinson (10)
 * kenvandine (9)
 * tkamppeter (8)
 * didrocks (8)
 * Trevinho (8)
 * hellsworth (4)
 * meetingology (3)
 * tseliot (1)



== Full Log ==


 14:31 <Wimpress> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-02-18

 14:31 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Feb 18 14:31:42 2020 UTC.  The chair is Wimpress. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 14:31 <meetingology> 

 14:31 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 14:31 <Wimpress> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell

 14:31 * seb128 gives kenvandine and hellsworth the look of 'you didn't post your weekly summary on discourse on friday' :)

 14:31 <seb128> _o/

 14:32 <kenvandine> indeed :)

 14:32 <marcustomlinson> \o

 14:32 <didrocks> as long as the road is safe… :)

 14:32 <kenvandine> i'll get it posted once i get a browser that accepts keyboard input :)

 14:32 <hellsworth> yes yes will do it soon :)

 14:32 <seb128> kenvandine, sudo apt install firefox

 14:32 <seb128> :p

 14:33 <Wimpress> #topic rls-bb-bugs

 14:33 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:34 <Wimpress> Not seeing anything obvious for us there.

 14:34 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 14:35 <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1863724

 14:35 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1863724 in mesa (Ubuntu Eoan) "Add missing pci-id's for Comet Lake (CML)" [Undecided,New]

 14:36 <Wimpress> Looks like tjaalton has that in hadn ^

 14:36 <seb128> looks like tjaalton nomited it and should probably take assignement?

 14:37 <seb128> tjaalton, please when you nominate things assign them to yourself, it's a recurrent source of items we end discussing in meeting

 14:37 <Wimpress> Not seeing anything else in bb-tracking that stands out.

 14:38 <Wimpress> I am reminded we need to figure our what to do with some of the nm bugs.

 14:38 <marcustomlinson> do we not have an owner for nm?

 14:38 <seb128> no :(

 14:38 <seb128> I suggested we just unmilestone them

 14:38 <seb128> they will go through the process again if they are important enough

 14:39 <Wimpress> Lets actually make a final decision on dropping them from milestone after this.

 14:39 <seb128> but at this point they have been waiting for more than a year so they can probably wait until the incoming LTS...

 14:39 <seb128> k

 14:39 <Wimpress> Moving on to Eoan.

 14:39 <Wimpress> #topic rls-ee-bugs

 14:39 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:40 <Wimpress> Nothing to review it seems.

 14:41 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 14:41 <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1853768

 14:41 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1853768 in yaru-theme (Ubuntu Eoan) "Qt apps, like kid3-qt, which uses legacy icons "document-*.png", show them as normal document icon under Yaru theme" [Undecided,New]

 14:42 <seb128> that's assigned?

 14:42 <Wimpress> So it is.

 14:42 <seb128> :)

 14:42 <Wimpress> I can't read in straight lines it would appear.

 14:42 <Wimpress> Moving on.

 14:42 <Wimpress> #topic rls-ff-bugs

 14:42 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:42 <didrocks> \me hands some glasses to Wimpress then

 14:43 <marcustomlinson> what kind? whisky?

 14:43 <didrocks> ahah

 14:43 <Wimpress> So, several to review here.

 14:43 <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1862169

 14:43 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1862169 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "rhythmbox crashed with SIGSEGV in build_flavored_key()" [Medium,Confirmed]

 14:43 <marcustomlinson> champagne bugs?

 14:44 <Wimpress> Yep

 14:45 <seb128> that one is fixed since today with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grilo-plugins/0.3.11-1ubuntu1

 14:45 <seb128> it's https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/grilo-plugins/commit/46d7c0ed

 14:46 <seb128> I'm closing it

 14:46 <Wimpress> Thanks.

 14:46 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1776447

 14:46 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1776447 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xorg's Indirect GLX broken from upstream regression" [Medium,Triaged]

 14:46 <Wimpress> Looks like this should be assigned to Timo based on the comments.

 14:47 <seb128> +1

 14:47 <seb128> unsure if that's important enough to be rls tracked though

 14:47 <seb128> it's a report from mid 2018 with no duplicate

 14:48 <seb128> it's in the sponsoring queue which should be enough

 14:48 <Wimpress> OK

 14:48 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1861769

 14:48 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1861769 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "gdm3 crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast() from gdm_manager_handle_register_session() from ffi_call_unix64() from ffi_call() from g_cclosure_marshal_generic()" [Medium,Triaged]

 14:48 <Trevinho> seems a +1

 14:48 <seb128> wait, what do we do with the previous one

 14:49 <seb128> what's the workflow to get champagne bugs out of the list?

 14:49 <Laney> -champagne +notfixing

 14:49 <seb128> untag + rls-ff-notfixing?

 14:49 <seb128> Laney, thx

 14:49 <Wimpress> So #1776447 (Xorg) has a patch attached for Focal.

 14:51 <Wimpress> Back to https://pad.lv/1861769

 14:51 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1861769 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "gdm3 crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast() from gdm_manager_handle_register_session() from ffi_call_unix64() from ffi_call() from g_cclosure_marshal_generic()" [Medium,Triaged]

 14:51 <Wimpress> Looks like Daniel is investigating.

 14:52 <Wimpress> Assign Daniel?

 14:52 <seb128> 305 reports in 19.10

 14:52 <seb128> I would just rls-ff-notfixing it

 14:52 <seb128> it's a bug but I don't see any reason it needs to be rls targetted at this point

 14:52 <seb128> others?

 14:53 <Wimpress> OK with me. Can un tag it.

 14:53 <didrocks> agreed, seems minor enough

 14:53 <seb128> doing so

 14:53 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1861409

 14:53 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1861409 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "searching for irc takes more than 10 minutes" [Low,Incomplete]

 14:54 <Wimpress> Un-tag that one I think.

 14:54 <seb128> I can't reproduce and it lacks info

 14:54 <Wimpress> I dropped that tag.

 14:54 <seb128> yeah, +1 for untagging to me, especially that Sergio didn't reply to the request for debug info

 14:54 <seb128> thx

 14:54 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1862531

 14:54 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1862531 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "[focal] Wayland session is not available when a laptop has an Nvidia card an Intel card is in use" [Low,Incomplete]

 14:55 <Wimpress> Looks like Daniel understands that one.

 14:56 <Wimpress> Assign Daniel and drop the tag?

 14:56 <seb128> again seems non rls material to me

 14:56 <didrocks> ack

 14:56 <seb128> imho not assigning Daniel

 14:56 <seb128> I doubt he's going to work on it

 14:56 <Wimpress> OK

 14:56 <Wimpress> Dropped tag.

 14:56 <seb128> thx

 14:56 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1861310

 14:56 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1861310 in gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu) "Overlay with shortcut numbers not showing on dock with pressing Super+0 or Super+Q" [Low,Confirmed]

 14:57 <Wimpress> Looks like a legit regression.

 14:57 <kenvandine> yeah

 14:57 <seb128> while I think it would be nice to fix I also don't feel like it's especially rls material

 14:58 <Wimpress> HOw should we track it>?

 14:58 <Trevinho> yeah, just a bug

 14:58 <Trevinho> assign to me

 14:58 <seb128> I tagged desktop-lts-wishlist which is how I built a personal list of 'would be nice to fix for the LTS'

 14:58 <marcustomlinson> it's not obvious that it's "broken" really

 14:58 <seb128> Trevinho, will you get to it realistically? you have lot of bugs assigned to you for cycles which aren't moving...

 14:59 <marcustomlinson> just not there :P

 14:59 <Trevinho> no, I'm saying not  to mark as RLS

 14:59 <Wimpress> Assign to Trevinho and dropped the champagne tag.

 14:59 <Trevinho> but just assigned, in case...

 14:59 <seb128> wfm

 14:59 <seb128> though I think like the assignement is a bit misleading

 14:59 <seb128> but up to Marco, maybe he has time to look at it

 14:59 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1860540

 14:59 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1860540 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Password entry has no way of displaying what you type" [Low,Fix committed]

 15:00 <seb128> that's fixed in 3.35

 15:00 <seb128> just untag until the update lands?

 15:00 <Wimpress> Yep, I'll untag it.

 15:00 <Trevinho> it was fixed even before (it hjas a contextual menu)

 15:00 <Trevinho> so not-a-bug

 15:00 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1838151

 15:00 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1838151 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "Poor quality audio with modern Bluetooth headsets in HSP/HFP. Missing wide band speech support." [Wishlist,Triaged]

 15:01 <seb128> Trevinho, the bug is that the context menu is not obvious, which is fixed now with an icon in the entry

 15:01 <Wimpress> So, this Bluetooth bug I'd love to see fixed.

 15:02 <seb128> Wimpress, another one that would be nice to be fixed but probably doesn't qualify for rls tracking imho...

 15:02 <Wimpress> But as Daniel explains the required upstream patches have not been merged.

 15:02 <Trevinho> seb128:  well, "no way..." there's a way :)

 15:02 <seb128> I would love to fix all those annoyance

 15:02 <Laney> unatgging> we should be adding rls-ff-notfixing at the same time

 15:02 <seb128> Trevinho, title is misleading

 15:03 <Wimpress> We have a Trello card for that Bluetooth one.

 15:03 <seb128> Laney, I'm adding those

 15:03 <seb128> Wimpress, realistically we will not get to it I think...

 15:03 <seb128> but yeah, it's in the backlog so let's see

 15:04 <Laney> If you want it worked on then I think Daniel will have to be asked to do it

 15:04 <Laney> so a matter of priorities ....

 15:04 <Wimpress> seb128: What was you wishlist tag?

 15:04 <seb128> Wimpress, desktop-lts-wishlist

 15:05 <Wimpress> Thanks.

 15:05 <Wimpress> Updated accordingly.

 15:05 <seb128> thx

 15:05 <Wimpress> Perhaps fixing this for 20.04.1 is doable.

 15:05 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1848326

 15:05 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1848326 in nvidia-prime (Ubuntu) "[cosmic+] error booting with prime-select intel: prime-select does not update initramfs to blacklist nvidia modules" [Undecided,Confirmed]

 15:05 <Laney> agreed it'd be good to get it worked on at some point

 15:05 <seb128> once we are in ff we should look at bugfixing backlog and adjust priorities

 15:06 <seb128> imho

 15:07 <seb128> tseliot, can you comment about that nvidia-prime one? how important is it?

 15:07 <Laney> ask tseliot to look at that one ^- and accept or reject?

 15:07 <Laney> wee

 15:07 <Wimpress> While we wait...

 15:07 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1848951

 15:07 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1848951 in mutter (Ubuntu) "High CPU when just moving the mouse" [Medium,In progress]

 15:08 <Wimpress> WHich is somewhat assigned to Daniel.

 15:08 <seb128> I think it's unclear (to Daniel?) how the champagne tag should be used...

 15:08 <seb128> the few assigned to him are ongoing work he's doing

 15:09 <Wimpress> Yeah.

 15:09 <Laney> right, I have an action item to draft an email about that

 15:09 <tseliot> seb128, Laney, looking

 15:10 <Laney> untag them I'd say

 15:10 <seb128> +1

 15:10 <Wimpress> Untagged.

 15:11 <Wimpress> Shall we move on to AOB?

 15:11 <seb128> +1

 15:12 <Wimpress> Actually.

 15:12 <Wimpress> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages

 15:12 <Wimpress> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages

 15:12 <seb128> oh right :)

 15:12 <Laney> heh

 15:13 <Laney> any insights seb128 ?

 15:13 <seb128> so I reviewed that yesterday/today

 15:13 <seb128> colord the i386 hint needs to be updated, I pinged Steve about it to know if we shouldn't just badtest all versions

 15:13 <Laney> yeh

 15:14 <Laney> that should be a reset-test, I will do that

 15:14 <seb128> gscan2pdf/arm64 needs to be owned

 15:14 <seb128> any taker?

 15:14 <seb128> marcustomlinson, hellsworth, do you know what's going with http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libr/libreoffice/focal/arm64 ?

 15:15 <hellsworth> i will look at the failing tests asap

 15:15 <tkamppeter> seb128, this is also blocking CUPS.

 15:15 <seb128> hellsworth, thanks

 15:15 <hellsworth> i saw the emails come through over the weekend but hadn't had a chance to look

 15:16 <seb128> the c2esp/cups/cups-filters one have been retried and are green again with new ghostscript, that one needs a refresh to reflect

 15:16 <marcustomlinson> hellsworth seb128: looks really odd, like something up with the builder

 15:16 <seb128> blubblewrap looks like a libcap update issue, Lukazs has been poking at it so let's wait to see if he figures it out

 15:16 <seb128> marcustomlinson, yeah...

 15:16 <hellsworth> i was hoping that is what it would be since only some of the archs failed

 15:16 <marcustomlinson> that same libreoffice package has passed many times before on arm64

 15:16 <kenvandine> tkamppeter: congrats on getting that avahi fix upstream!

 15:17 <seb128> mozjs60 failing to build I'm looking at

 15:17 <seb128> and that should be it

 15:17 <seb128> so gscan2pdf/arm64 needs an owner but didn't get one

 15:17 <seb128> I'm going to card it and we will find a name to put on the card I guess

 15:17 <tkamppeter> Yes, I wanted to say it now here, too: After 3 (!) years Trent merged it, hope he will do the promised release.

 15:17 <tkamppeter> kenvandine, you have read it in my weekly update?

 15:19 <seb128> https://trello.com/c/5lJGMuXL/123-gscan2pdf-arm64-autopkgtest-fails

 15:19 <Wimpress> seb128: The gscan2pdf looks like the builder failed to come up.

 15:19 <seb128> same as libreoffice?

 15:19 <Wimpress> Or rebooted part way through the build.

 15:19 <kenvandine> tkamppeter: and i got an email letting me know that's all resolved

 15:19 <seb128> Wimpress, those are only the most recent tries, before it was failing on real error, e.g https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-focal/focal/arm64/g/gscan2pdf/20200131_095135_29260@/log.gz

 15:20 <seb128> well timeout

 15:20 <tkamppeter> kenvandine, yes, you were CCed in all that discussion.

 15:20 <seb128> anyway, needs to be investigated, we have a card

 15:20 <seb128> Wimpress, we can move to AOB

 15:20 <Wimpress> OK

 15:20 <Wimpress> #topic AOB

 15:21 <Wimpress> Who has something else they'd like to discuss?

 15:21 <didrocks> nothing for me

 15:21 <marcustomlinson> so about nm, I'm open to taking a shot at it if we're short of hands there, but I suppose only from around mid-March

 15:21 <marcustomlinson> I've got some other priorities until then :)

 15:21 <Wimpress> didrocks: Have you got zsys feedback yet?

 15:22 <seb128> marcustomlinson, I'm dealing with keeping up with upstream but help would be welcome!

 15:22 <seb128> Wimpress, is that trolling? :(

 15:22 <didrocks> Wimpress: still not, we got one update after requesting it on the Trello card but nothing more for ~1week

 15:22 <Wimpress> OK. Let me go back to them.

 15:22 <didrocks> I hope they won’t come at the last minute with a big list of things to fixed by FF

 15:23 <Wimpress> Anyone got anything else?

 15:23 <seb128> Wimpress, just mentioning it but I'm unsure those champagne bugs belong/fit in the rls review process, but Laney said he was planning to email about that so maybe that's enough to fix the problem

 15:23 <seb128> but they seem to have different sementic

 15:24 <seb128> people use them to flag thing they hit, I don't think they intend to flag release issues

 15:24 <Wimpress> Correct. But we should quickly review them to identify any rls issue and tag/untag accoirdingly.

 15:25 <seb128> could be easier going

 15:25 <Laney> If you want to triage them off into the wishlist tag as a team specific process that's also fine

 15:25 <Laney> Putting them on that list is a way to make us review them

 15:25 <seb128> like having one person doing the pre-review and rls tag those worth it

 15:25 <Laney> This works for all teams which use the rls report

 15:26 <Wimpress> Also sounds good.

 15:27 <Wimpress> All done?

 15:27 <seb128> I guess

 15:27 <tkamppeter> Any core-dev here who could upload SANE? It seems that at Debian no one is doing it? I do not want another LTS with old SANE.

 15:28 <Wimpress> tkamppeter: Do you have current packaging?

 15:28 <Wimpress> Have you filed a PR in Salsa?

 15:28 <seb128> tkamppeter, sounds like one for robert_ancell

 15:28 <seb128> kenvandine, ^

 15:29 <tkamppeter> I have done debdiff, both for Debian and for Ubuntu, and reported bugs.

 15:29 <kenvandine> seb128: perhaps

 15:29 <kenvandine> tkamppeter: can you ping robert and ask him ?

 15:30 <kenvandine> probably tomorrow first thing your morning

 15:30 <kenvandine> or email

 15:30 <tkamppeter> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=951213

 15:30 <ubot5> Debian bug 951213 in sane-backends "Request for update: SANE 1.0.29" [Important,Open]

 15:30 <Laney> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=951213 ?

 15:30 <tkamppeter> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends/+bug/1862926?_ga=2.172825632.2092980052.1581966388-909070028.1563372650

 15:30 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1862926 in sane-backends (Ubuntu) "Request for update: SANE 1.0.29" [High,Confirmed]

 15:30 <Laney> that was tagged as pending on Saturday

 15:31 <Wimpress> OK. We are out of time.

 15:31 <Laney> feel free to persue it in Ubuntu also, but probably also keep an eye on if it can be synced again

 15:31 <Wimpress> Thanks everyone.

 15:31 <Wimpress> #endmeeting



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