14:35 <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-03-12
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14:35 <Trevinho> \o
14:35 <kenvandine> o/
14:35 <seb128> hey
14:35 <didrocks> hey
14:35 <oSoMoN> \o
14:35 <willcooke> Roll call: Description:andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
14:35 <andyrock> o/
14:36 <tseliot> o/
14:36 <willcooke> Ok, as usual we will start with the Incoming bugs review, starting with B
14:36 <willcooke> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
14:36 <willcooke> Ha, or not.  Since B incoming is empty!
14:36 <willcooke> \o/
14:37 <willcooke> I sent the B tracking list round, please look at it and see what's against you which might need looking at
14:37 <jibel> o/
14:37 <willcooke> C incoming is also clear \o/
14:37 <willcooke> D incoming has some, so let's look:
14:37 <willcooke> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html
14:38 <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1818246
14:38 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1818246 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "update-notifier's notification is huge due to large icon" [High,Confirmed]
14:38 <willcooke> I haven't seen this one, so I dont know how common it is
14:38 <Laney> that was supposed to have been investigated in the past week
14:38 <Laney> forgot who though
14:38 <seb128> didrocks did investigate and get a testcase
14:38 <willcooke> Was it didrocks perhaps?
14:38 <didrocks> yep
14:38 <seb128> it got turned into an assert/crasher in .92
14:38 <didrocks> then, it became a crash :)
14:39 <seb128> which got fixed in master
14:39 <didrocks> which is fixed upstream
14:39 <didrocks> and now, I need to retest the testcase once uploaded
14:39 <seb128> but I don't know if once the crasher is fixed the initial problem is
14:39 <didrocks> exactly :)
14:39 <Laney> would have been good to keep the bug updated imho (feedback for future)
14:39 <seb128> waiting for 3.32 g-s to be out I guess
14:39 <seb128> out/uploaded
14:39 <didrocks> yep
14:39 <Laney> it is
14:40 <willcooke> oki, didrocks would you comment on the bug to that effect?  And we can look again next week?
14:40 <didrocks> yes, FTR I opened the crashers and referenced this bug already
14:40 <willcooke> ah cool, thanks
14:40 <didrocks> doing the other way aroudn
14:40 <seb128> +1 to accept the nomination
14:40 <Laney> not sure about punting things in incoming like this, it feels weird to me
14:40 <seb128> btw
14:40 <Laney> yes
14:41 <willcooke> kk, I targetted
14:41 <willcooke> and assigned didrocks
14:41 <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1818790
14:41 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1818790 in mutter (Ubuntu) "[regression] Desktop zoom is missing the mouse pointer" [High,Triaged]
14:42 <seb128> +1 to nominate, assign Marco
14:42 <Laney> yep
14:42 <seb128> from the channel backlog I got that it was being worked on already
14:42 <Trevinho> yes, fix submitted already
14:42 <Trevinho> upstream
14:43 <willcooke> done
14:44 <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yaru-theme/+bug/1818878
14:44 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1818878 in yaru-theme (Ubuntu) "System menu user icon is bigger than others in 3.31.92" [High,Triaged]
14:44 <kenvandine> i wonder if that is in any way related to the user image in gdm
14:44 <Trevinho> fixed in next yaru
14:44 <Laney> not rls imho, but it's going to be fixed
14:44 <Laney> no
14:44 <Laney> but that is also fixed
14:44 <kenvandine> i noticed yesterday that my face is HUGE in gdm
14:44 <Trevinho> kenvandine: that's another shell one
14:44 <seb128> blame Marco :)
14:44 <Trevinho> fixed as well
14:45 <Laney> no need to panic or even discuss
14:45 <kenvandine> great :)
14:45 <willcooke> agreed
14:45 <Trevinho> no, blame others!
14:45 <willcooke> so just untag then?
14:45 <Laney> rls-dd-notfixing, but it will be fixed later today probably anyway
14:45 <seb128> either way is fine imho
14:45 <seb128> even not touching
14:45 <seb128> it should be cleared by the next meeting
14:45 <willcooke> done
14:46 <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-vm-tools/+bug/1819207
14:46 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1819207 in ubuntu-drivers-common (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Add Modaliases to open-vm-tools-desktop to allow automatic installation by ubuntu-drivers" [High,In progress]
14:46 <seb128> but yeah, rls-dd-notfixing, even it feels weird -notfixing a thing which is fix pending upload
14:46 <willcooke> yeah, the rls bit is the key
14:46 <seb128> willcooke, up to you to decide for that one how much a cycle goal it is
14:46 <willcooke> I'm +1 on that open-vm-toosl
14:46 <Laney> why's it rls?
14:46 <seb128> either -notfixing or nominate/assign according to what you think imho
14:47 <Laney> but whatever, jibel seemed to be working with cpaelzer on that
14:47 <willcooke> You're right though, it's not a rls bug
14:47 <seb128> Laney, management decision to make it a team goal
14:47 <seb128> well
14:47 <seb128> anyway, either is fine with me
14:47 <tseliot> maintainer +1 to open-vm-tools
14:48 <seb128> I think that "needs to get done this cycle" decided by $manager qualitfy to be rls targetted
14:48 <tseliot> well, u-d-c maintainer ;)
14:48 <seb128> tseliot, thx for the reviews on that topic btw :)
14:48 <tseliot> :)
14:48 <Laney> I think not, that kind of bug should be tracked directly and not in the team meeting
14:48 <Laney> maybe a discussion for another time
14:49 <willcooke> yeah, let's talk about this sort of thing later, and move on.  That bug will get fixed
14:49 <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1819126
14:49 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1819126 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGABRT [St:ERROR:../src/st/st-image-content.c:155:st_image_content_get_preferred_size: assertion failed (priv->width > -1): (-1 > -1)]" [High,Fix committed]
14:50 <willcooke> already fix committed
14:50 <seb128> right
14:50 <seb128> that's the counter part of Didier's one
14:50 <didrocks> yep
14:50 <seb128> should be fixed in g-s 3.32 which has been uploaded to disco now
14:51 <willcooke> if the other one is accepted, then should this one too?
14:51 <willcooke> well, doesnt really matter, and that can be tagged on to the conversation about what gets rls tagged later
14:51 <Laney> sure, I didn't close it in the changelog so someone can do that after verifying
14:51 <willcooke> last one then:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1796606
14:51 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1796606 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in st_widget_get_theme_node → ffi_call_unix64 → ffi_call → gjs_invoke_c_function → function_call" [Undecided,Confirmed]
14:52 <didrocks> Laney: hum, this is not a SRU, but weird to not have referenced it on purpose
14:52 <Trevinho> this is going to be fixed in .1
14:52 <Trevinho> well, fixed... Muted :)
14:52 <Laney> those patches are in the upload
14:52 <Laney> so already fixed
14:52 <Laney> didrocks: I just forgot / didn't know which bugs to close, so not really on purpose
14:52 <Trevinho> lovely Laney
14:52 <didrocks> Laney: ah ok, makes more sense thus
14:53 <Laney> :>
14:53 <willcooke> ok sorted
14:54 <willcooke> Right, that is the end of the rls bugs
14:54 <seb128> we still have some accepted & not assigned ones
14:54 <willcooke> let's look at errors.u.c next, and then proposed migrations last
14:54 <seb128> (sorry)
14:54 <willcooke> seb128, do we?
14:55 <willcooke> let's tidy that up then
14:55 <willcooke> DD looks right to me now
14:55 <didrocks> I think there are new ones, like the rhythmbox crash (but it was perhaps already acked without going through -incoming), desktop langs on the install… unsure if those were listed
14:56 <seb128> didrocks, those are assigned?
14:56 <didrocks> yeah, but were they on -incoming and then accepted outside of this meeting?
14:56 <seb128> willcooke, http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html has bug #1819572
14:56 <ubot5> bug 1819572 in network-manager (Ubuntu Disco) "do-release-upgrade from cosmic to disco make the network of this specific machine malfunction" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1819572
14:56 <didrocks> I thought this meeting was to review -incoming -> ack/not ack for release
14:57 <seb128> didrocks, we review things suggested, but it's fine to have things decided by team and/or management and directly targetted&assigned outside the meeting
14:57 <seb128> if it's a management decision to target there is no much to discuss
14:57 <didrocks> ok, so the team assignements here are not the only assignements
14:58 <didrocks> just making this clear
14:58 <seb128> well, the -tracking list are a reflect of what is accepted
14:58 <willcooke> the only one in the DD list which is unassigned is:
14:58 <willcooke> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1819572
14:58 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1819572 in network-manager (Ubuntu Disco) "do-release-upgrade from cosmic to disco make the network of this specific machine malfunction" [Undecided,New]
14:58 <didrocks> ack
14:58 <willcooke> which I dont know anything about.  I will ask them
14:58 <Laney> hahah
14:59 <kenvandine> weird, says it only affects the one machine
14:59 <seb128> I vote -notfixing
14:59 <willcooke> I think they targetted it without knowing what the implications are
14:59 <willcooke> I'll sort it out
14:59 <seb128> thx
15:00 <Laney> Launchpad recently changed so that nominating doesn't happen any more
15:00 <willcooke> that's the only one though seb128?
15:00 <Laney> everyone who could nominate can now target directly
15:00 <Laney> so I expect more of this kind of thing
15:00 <willcooke> ah
15:00 <willcooke> fun
15:00 <seb128> willcooke, yes
15:00 <kenvandine> oh joy
15:00 <seb128> Laney, do you know if that was discussed somewhere public?
15:00 <willcooke> ok, so lets now really move on to errors.u.c
15:00 <seb128> k
15:00 <Laney> discussed not sure, I saw a post about that somewhere
15:00 <kenvandine> that is going to be frustrating
15:00 <Laney> can't remember where though, sorry awbout that
15:01 <seb128> np
15:01 <willcooke> I haven't pre-filtered the e.u.c list and I used all the time in the previous meeting to talk about other stuff... so
15:01 <seb128> my comment from previous week still stand
15:02 <seb128> I think e.u.c should have reports converted to bug and going to the rls-incoming process as appropriate
15:02 <Laney> that makes sense, just needs to be done
15:02 <Laney> (far enough in advance of the meeting that the page has refreshed)
15:02 <willcooke> oki, then let's do that tomorrow seb128?  You & I, and anyone else who wants in
15:02 <seb128> I'm fine doing that starting next week
15:02 <seb128> I can do it weekly on mondays
15:02 <seb128> so we have those in place on the rls incoming on time
15:02 <kenvandine> seb128: awesome
15:02 <seb128> willcooke, k
15:03 <seb128> well let's discuss the details later if you want
15:03 <willcooke> Do you want to do it in a HO, or would you prefer to do it alone at your convenience?
15:03 <seb128> let's discuss together after the meeting
15:03 <willcooke> roger roger
15:03 <seb128> bye bye will
15:03 <kenvandine> :)
15:03 <kenvandine> he bailed on us
15:03 <seb128> Laney, I guess you can do proposed migration :)
15:04 <seb128> wb willcooke
15:04 <oSoMoN> roger roger == /quit
15:04 <Laney> there are some things https://trello.com/b/RHiGQXZJ/ubuntu-desktop-1904-cycle?menu=filter&filter=label:proposed-migration
15:04 <Laney> I'm a bit concerned about the assignment process for that
15:04 <willcooke> seem to have found a secret key shortcut for quit
15:04 <willcooke> oh, ctrl-q
15:04 <Laney> https://trello.com/c/kEcqB34L/257-appstream-0125-1-to-0126-1 <- that got marked as in progress with nobody assigned, and hasn't moved since then
15:05 <Laney> https://trello.com/c/mWodrc3o/256-libvorbis-blocking-build-essential-125ubuntu2-to-126ubuntu1-for-4-days that never got assigned (but apparently someone else fixed it, so lucked out)
15:05 <willcooke> We should probably assign them now then.  I expect last week we said "lets do it later" and then forgot
15:05 <willcooke> or we were supposed to do it in the manager meeting, and didnt have time
15:05 <willcooke> yeah, that ^
15:06 <seb128> another reason we need to move that meeting to wednesday
15:06 <willcooke> oki, seb128 shall we look at that too later on?
15:06 <kenvandine> yeah
15:06 <willcooke> yeahg
15:06 <seb128> so we can act on follow up from the team meeting
15:06 <seb128> +1
15:06 <Laney> can I move appstream back to backlog?
15:06 <seb128> wfm
15:07 <Laney> thanks
15:07 <seb128> jbicha did file it upstream, it's a regression due to the glib hashtable/order change
15:07 <willcooke> managers meeting moved
15:07 <seb128> which ximion said he would look at
15:07 <Laney> sure
15:07 <seb128> but yeah, should have an owner
15:07 <Laney> but someone in the team should have ownership
15:07 <Laney> if ximion does it, lucky for them
15:07 <seb128> right
15:08 <Laney> end of section
15:08 <willcooke> ok, thanks Laney
15:08 <willcooke> #topic AOB
15:08 <willcooke> Anyone got anything they want to talk about?
15:08 <seb128> jbicha, ricotz, who is looking at the fallout from the new vala?
15:08 <seb128> we have things that fail to build in disco due to it
15:08 <seb128> like libunity or rygel
15:08 <Laney> need to run to the train platform, back in a minute
15:09 <kenvandine> nope
15:09 <seb128> Laney, good luck
15:09 <seb128> willcooke, jbicha put a note in his summary to discuss default windows placement
15:09 <seb128> unsure if we should discuss that on the hub rather than the meeting though?
15:09 <seb128> especially that it's something others care about, like the yaru team
15:10 <willcooke> hub sounds good, or at least out of the meeting
15:10 <seb128> which might not be here
15:10 <willcooke> +1
15:10 <willcooke> jbicha, can you start a thread on the hub as a starting point, and we can take it from there
15:10 <willcooke> any more?
15:10 <seb128> not from me
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15:11 <willcooke> #endmeeting