14:30 <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting - 2018-12-04 14:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec 4 14:30:34 2018 UTC. The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 14:30 <meetingology> 14:30 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 14:30 <tseliot> o/ 14:30 <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, robert_ancell (out) 14:31 <oSoMoN> o/ 14:31 <jbicha> o/ 14:31 <didrocks> hey 14:31 <willcooke> This weeks updates: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/monday-3rd-december-2018/8903/5 14:32 <seb128> hey 14:32 <kenvandine> o/ 14:32 <tjaalton> o) 14:33 <willcooke> Let's start with BB rls bugs: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html 14:33 <andyrock> o/ 14:33 <willcooke> One added by seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/iputils/+bug/1798313 14:33 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1798313 in iputils (Ubuntu) "traceoute6 gives error sendto: Invalid argument" [Undecided,Confirmed] 14:33 <seb128> yeah, I was unsure if it's important (and I didn't know before we owned iputils :p) 14:34 <willcooke> Yeah, I was wondering how we came to own that 14:34 <seb128> but sounds like ipv6 tools would be good to have working in the LTS 14:34 <seb128> probably n-m stack depedns 14:34 <willcooke> yeah, likely 14:34 <willcooke> I'd agree something like that low level tool should work in the LTS 14:34 <seb128> anyway, I'm not sure it's really worth actively rls tracking but I wanted at least to raise awareness/have it mentioned 14:35 <willcooke> Is it already on your backlog seb128? 14:35 <willcooke> or are you looking for someone to work on it? 14:35 <jbicha> it looks like Server has rdepends for it now. We used to have gnome-nettool in main 14:36 <seb128> I somewhat have it on my "things to keep an eye on" 14:36 <seb128> if someone wants to own it feel free 14:36 <willcooke> oki, I will add it to the agenda for the next Foundations/Server meeting and see if server want to take it on 14:36 <seb128> that said let's +1/-1 on rls tracking it? 14:36 <seb128> I think it's too minor so -1 from me :p 14:37 <didrocks> -1 as well 14:37 <jbicha> personally, I'd rather let Server or whoever triage it :) 14:37 <seb128> willcooke, let me rls-bb-notfixing it with a comment then 14:37 <seb128> and we can try to "sell" iputils to server 14:37 <willcooke> ack 14:37 <kenvandine> get top dollar! 14:38 <seb128> :) 14:38 <willcooke> k, added to the notes for the next foundations meeting 14:39 <willcooke> On to CC bugs: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html 14:39 <willcooke> Nothing new 14:39 <willcooke> Doing a quick scan of the others 14:40 <seb128> willcooke, https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/commit/?id=385a4886 14:40 <seb128> ups sorry 14:40 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html 14:40 <seb128> that one has an important one 14:40 <willcooke> stand by, just checking the other CC bugs to make sure I havent missed anything 14:41 <seb128> ah ok, I though you forgot -dd and were done with the incoming lists 14:41 <seb128> sorry :p 14:41 <willcooke> :) 14:41 <willcooke> Ok, CC tracking is in good shape. Everything is assigned and active (even those not showing as assigned are) 14:42 <willcooke> So now we come to DD incoming: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html 14:42 <seb128> :) 14:42 <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1805857 14:42 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1805857 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "network-manager dep8 failure blocks dnsmasq proposed migration" [High,Triaged] 14:43 <willcooke> Who can take that one? 14:43 <seb128> Robie has been nice enough to do debugging on the issue and believes the real problem is on the n-m tests side 14:43 <seb128> the bug has some debugging details and an easy way to reproduce 14:43 <seb128> I +1 to nominate it since it blocks things in proposed 14:43 <willcooke> yeah, +1 to accept it 14:45 <willcooke> Laney, would you be able to take a look at it? 14:46 <seb128> he doesn't seem to be around 14:46 <Laney> yes I am 14:46 <Laney> guess so 14:46 <seb128> oh, sorry 14:47 <Laney> not that I know anything in particular about network-manager 14:47 <willcooke> thank you Laney 14:47 <seb128> I though I didn't see you wave or comment earlier so I assumed you were not 14:47 <Laney> but I take my share of rls bugs :-) 14:47 <seb128> thx Laney 14:48 <willcooke> Nothing else for us in incoming. There are a couple of Ubiquity related ones, one of which andyrock is already looking at and the other is a minor string change which I can probably make an MP for easy enough 14:48 <andyrock> am I? 14:49 <willcooke> andyrock, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1797381 14:49 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1797381 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "In tablet mode, step "Who are you" OSK hides when the passwordd field is focused" [High,New] 14:49 <andyrock> ah that's not real a problem with Ubiquity 14:49 <andyrock> more ibus + gnome-shell 14:49 <seb128> we really need to sort out those OSK issues 14:50 <willcooke> Should that one be a rls tracked bug? 14:50 <seb128> andyrock, let's talk about them tomorrow, I might go coworking on Carlos friday so I can talk directly with him about things that are on our list 14:50 <willcooke> seb128 thanks, if it's not rls worthy could you untag it once you know more? 14:50 <andyrock> seb128: kk 14:51 <seb128> willcooke, k, well it's tagged but ubiquity is on the foundations list 14:51 <seb128> andyrock, that one is more a gnome-shell issue though no? 14:51 <willcooke> sure, but if the problem is elsewhere then it should probably be changed too 14:51 <andyrock> yes it's a gnome-shell issue (or ibus) 14:51 <andyrock> I know the problem but there is not an easy fix 14:52 <andyrock> let's discuss it tomorrow 14:52 <seb128> k 14:52 <willcooke> thx 14:52 <willcooke> Ok, on to proposed migration issues: 14:52 <willcooke> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages 14:52 <seb128> before we wrap bugs 14:52 <willcooke> oops 14:52 <willcooke> soprry 14:52 <seb128> k, or later :p 14:52 <willcooke> go on seb128 14:52 <seb128> bug #1749672 is on the bb list unassigned 14:52 <ubot5> bug 1749672 in xdg-desktop-portal (Ubuntu Bionic) "[MIR] xdg-desktop-portal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1749672 14:53 <seb128> kenvandine, ^ you nominated it, can you get it assigned? to you as a default maybe? 14:53 <kenvandine> yes 14:53 <seb128> thx 14:53 <kenvandine> i'll do that 14:53 <willcooke> thx kenvandine 14:53 <kenvandine> still waiting on security though 14:53 <willcooke> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages 14:54 <willcooke> Laney, do you want to do a run through? Or shall I go through them one by one? 14:54 <Laney> i'm good 14:54 <Laney> n-m is assigned 14:54 <Laney> libreoffice ought to be fixed 14:54 <jbicha> poppler is blocked by LO & xpdf https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/poppler.html 14:54 <oSoMoN> I'm looking at LO 14:54 <oSoMoN> still struggling to reproduce locally the unit test failures 14:55 <Laney> jbicha: i'll lead this, thanks 14:55 <seb128> oSoMoN, any chance you get it sorted out before your long w.e? 14:55 <oSoMoN> seb128, that's definitely my top priority 14:55 <seb128> k 14:55 <Laney> thx 14:55 <Laney> so for poppler, I started looking at xpdf 14:55 <Laney> would be good if someone can help out with other things 14:56 <seb128> I can do the MIR for the new font depends 14:56 <seb128> fonts-yrsa-rasa 14:56 <Laney> yeh 14:56 <seb128> I guess enchant/hunspell is libreoffice blocked 14:56 <seb128> ? 14:57 <Laney> think so, let's look at those once it is unblocked 14:57 <seb128> k 14:57 <Laney> just poppler and tracker for someone to help on I think 14:57 <willcooke> cups-filters looks like its poppler again 14:57 <Laney> yes 14:57 <seb128> jbicha, what's the deal with tracker? are you handling that one? 14:58 <seb128> Laney, poppler is there more needed if olivier do libreoffice and you xpdf? or did you need help on xpdf? 14:58 <jbicha> seb128: I'm stuck on tracker, I reported the issues upstream. We could fix the autopkgtest regression if we switched back to autotools 14:58 <Laney> dunno, I didn't analyse every package 14:58 <Laney> the task would be partially to do that 14:58 <Laney> and then help fix anything left over 14:58 <seb128> Laney, k, I'm going to try to help on poppler as well and review the list 14:59 <Laney> ty 14:59 <willcooke> thank you chaps 14:59 <jbicha> I believe those are the only 2 blockers for poppler really. perl needs to clean its autopkgtest queue & there are a few leaf packages to be removed like 14:59 <jbicha> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/hunspell.html 14:59 <seb128> on tracker I don't have a strong opinion 15:00 <seb128> if it's not blocking other things it's probably fine to wait a bit on upstream 15:00 <seb128> if the MIR is approved and we want to enable it in nautilus and need to unblock then we can revert to autotools 15:00 <seb128> imho 15:00 <seb128> or proper fix which would be even better 15:00 * Laney shrugs 15:00 <Laney> I'd rather assign someone to sort it out one way or another 15:00 <Laney> than decide now how to fix it 15:00 <tkamppeter> willcooke, for cups-filters there came some fixes to fit it to current Poppler recently. I will soon make a new release. In general, I hope to get a GSoC student modify pdftoraster to stop using unstable Poppler interfaces. 15:01 <willcooke> thx tkamppeter 15:01 <seb128> andyrock, I know you are busy, do you think you could have a look to the track test issue this week or next? 15:02 <seb128> andyrock, feel free to tell me you prefer not if you are already packed with that livepatch work 15:02 <Laney> not sure it was that cool to switch and upload a broken version 15:02 <andyrock> seb128: I'll take a look 15:02 <seb128> thx andyrock! 15:02 <seb128> and yeah, uploading something buggy and not sorting it out is not the best :/ 15:03 <seb128> I guess we covered the list now? 15:03 <jbicha> Laney: if you're talking to me, I'm trying to run autopkgtest more before I do major uploads like the tracker meson switch 15:03 <jbicha> I'm ok with switching it back to autotools for a bit. The meson build is less ideal for us right now anyway 15:03 <andyrock> seb128: is there a bug somewhere? 15:04 <andyrock> or issue 15:05 <seb128> andyrock, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/tracker/issues/59 15:05 <gitbot> GNOME issue 59 in tracker "functional-16-collation test failures" [Opened] 15:05 <seb128> willcooke, Laney, AOB I guess? 15:05 <andyrock> thx 15:05 <willcooke> #topic AOB 15:06 <willcooke> Anyone got anything? 15:06 <kenvandine> nope 15:06 <seb128> not me 15:06 <willcooke> going once 15:06 <andyrock> 😶 15:06 <Laney> jbicha: yes, I think experimental & filing bugs in advance rather than breaking the 'production' suites would have been better 15:06 <jbicha> andyrock: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/tracker/issues/61 is the other bug 15:06 <gitbot> GNOME issue 61 in tracker "tracker-miner-fs test: Parent recursive/4 not indexed yet" [Opened] 15:06 <Laney> i.e. I would suggest switching back 15:07 <Laney> glib's conversion has been done well in this regard 15:07 <Laney> sorry, didn't mean to interrupt the aob 15:07 <willcooke> np 15:07 <jbicha> ok, I'll switch tracker back to autotools to unblock things 15:07 <willcooke> I think we can end here and carry on afterwards 15:07 <willcooke> #endmeeting