13:30 <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2018-07-24
13:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul 24 13:30:28 2018 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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13:30 <oSoMoN> o/
13:30 <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (hols)
13:30 <didrocks> hey
13:31 <Trevinho> o/
13:31 <andyrock> o/
13:31 <Laney> _O_
13:31 <seb128> hey
13:31 <jibel> o/
13:31 <willcooke> Looks like we have enough people to start, so....
13:31 <willcooke> #topic andyrock
13:32 <kenvandine> o/
13:32 <andyrock> Reviewed https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+git/nautilus/+merge/349670
13:32 <andyrock> Update MP for https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/373 to support x11 too
13:32 <andyrock> Bug “media-keys: Some shortcuts should ignore auto-repeat key events”:
13:32 <andyrock> MP for gnome-shell: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/156
13:32 <andyrock> MP for gnome-settings-daemon: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-settings-daemon/merge_requests/34
13:32 <andyrock> MP for mutter: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/169
13:32 <andyrock> Working on fix for LP: #1772831
13:32 <andyrock> Working on adding ‘http over unix’ support to libsoup. This likely requires a major reworking of the api
13:32 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1772831 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-control-center does not respond after we set the resolution 320x180" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1772831
13:32 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue 373 in gnome-shell "Some keybindings should discard auto-repeat events" (comments: 0) [Opened]
13:32 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 156 in gnome-shell "shellDBus: Add ignore_key_repeat paramater" (comments: 8) [Opened]
13:32 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 34 in gnome-settings-daemon "media-keys: Allow some key repeated events" (comments: 1) [Opened]
13:32 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 169 in mutter "keybindings: Add flag param to grab_accelerator" (comments: 8) [Opened]
13:33 <andyrock> eow
13:33 <willcooke> thanks andyrock
13:33 * willcooke makes a note to trim the topic when the meeting is over
13:33 <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
13:33 <dgadomski> hey
13:33 <dgadomski> * bug #1782152 fixed upstream, tested & prepared debdiffs
13:33 <dgadomski> * working on bug #1721988, for some it's fixed in 18.04, but not according to my tests, will continue working on this
13:33 <ubot5> bug 1782152 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "GDM blocks SIGUSR1 used in PAM scripts" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1782152
13:33 <ubot5> bug 1721988 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-384 (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 17.10 full disk encryption + Nvidia drivers not booting" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1721988
13:33 <dgadomski> eof
13:34 <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
13:34 <willcooke> #topic didrocks
13:34 <didrocks> Communitheme:
13:34 <didrocks> * Finalizing communitheme rename (some fix up for upstream devs to test and iterate over it easier)
13:34 <didrocks> * Debian packaging for cosmic
13:34 <didrocks> * Some changes (like Shell not taking capital letters for modes)
13:34 <didrocks> * Change repository name
13:34 <didrocks> * Resync Travis, do some cleanups in the CI build system, adapt gtk-common-themes to it.
13:34 <didrocks> * Converted ubuntu-settings to git and release a fix for communitheme for both cosmic and bionic (LP: #1782190). However, cosmic is stuck in proposed due to a meson bug.
13:34 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1782190 in ubuntu-settings (Ubuntu Bionic) "Set default interface font size to 11 for communitheme sessions" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1782190
13:34 <didrocks> * Investigated the meson regresstion and opened https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/issues/3914 (tagged as such by upstream)
13:34 <gitlab-bot> mesonbuild issue 3914 in meson "Symlinks can't be copied by install_subdir() since 0.47.0" (comments: 1) [Install Targets, Regression, Open]
13:34 <didrocks> Apport:
13:34 <didrocks> * Some rereviews with Brian, and discussion on services. Now in bionic-proposed! (Needs testing). Should be released post .1.
13:34 <didrocks> * Prepare with the communitheme core team the Yaru annoucement blog post.
13:34 <didrocks> GSConnect:
13:34 <didrocks> * Spent some time trying it, found a lot of issues/warnings with current releases.
13:34 <didrocks> * Still did a first packaging on it and started to fix some issues like harcoded path for settings not being able to be installed distro-wide.
13:34 <didrocks> * Read github issue tracker and found that a WIP rewrite is currently being done. Talking with upstream on https://github.com/andyholmes/gnome-shell-extension-gsconnect/issues/158 who hilighted that the best route is to wait for the rewrite. Iterating with him currently on the packaging and feedback.
13:34 <gitlab-bot> andyholmes issue 158 in gnome-shell-extension-gsconnect "Inclusion by default in ubuntu" (comments: 7) [Open]
13:34 <didrocks> Misc:
13:34 <didrocks> * Reviewed and sponsor Marco's Nautilus update.
13:34 <didrocks> .
13:34 <willcooke> nice, thanks didrocks
13:35 <oSoMoN> didrocks, cool new name
13:35 <didrocks> it is a cool name ;)
13:35 <willcooke> :D
13:35 <willcooke> #topic duflu
13:35 <willcooke> * Gnome Shell performance (what changed this week):
13:35 <willcooke> - Reduced input lag and cursor stutter! I wasn't looking for a lag problem but it's definitely improved now. Most noticeable inside apps (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/168)
13:35 <willcooke> - Wayland: Implemented proper hardware vsync (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/171). Previously Wayland sessions would blindly always render at 60.00Hz regardless of how appropriate that was for the display.
13:35 <willcooke> - More work in progress: Avoid frame skipping and artificially low frame rates:
13:35 <willcooke> . https://gitlab.gnome.org/vanvugt/mutter/commits/super-smooth
13:35 <willcooke> . https://gitlab.gnome.org/vanvugt/mutter/commits/super-smooth-v2
13:35 <willcooke> . Basically done for Wayland (when combined with !171 above) but Cogl's X11 backend is proving surprisingly buggy.
13:35 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 168 in mutter "clutter: Reduce input lag and cursor stutter [performance]" (comments: 19) [Performance, Opened]
13:35 <willcooke> . One eager user has been helping me test it and also confirms his 2010-era Intel system sees a doubling in frame rate.
13:35 <willcooke> * Daily bug management:
13:35 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 171 in mutter "Sync to the hardware refresh rate, not just 60.00Hz [performance]" (comments: 16) [5. Backend: Native, Opened]
13:35 <willcooke> - Mostly good news - shrinking backlogs in the problem areas.
13:35 <willcooke> - Added thunderbird and chromium-browser to the chart.
13:35 <willcooke> - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRDHPxGBHqM6XkT_S8ggtYfD0xchKSUD_z9PopNVE3G1rU05fVSnxDGcDsEstl7gu7N-tzCU6mLUp2V/pubchart?oid=254968654&format=interactive
13:36 <willcooke> #topic jamesh
13:36 <willcooke> snapd/pulseaudio:
13:36 <willcooke> * I am working on updating the "snap support" patches for Pulse Audio
13:36 <willcooke> to restrict microphone access based on the connected plugs of the
13:36 <willcooke> snap.
13:36 <willcooke> * When I had a similar problem in the past, zyga had suggested I use
13:36 <willcooke> the new interfaces REST API.  This isn't currently supported in
13:36 <willcooke> snapd-glib, so I put together a merge proposal here:
13:36 <willcooke> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd-glib/pull/40
13:36 <gitlab-bot> snapcore issue (Pull request) 40 in snapd-glib "WIP: Add support for the "interface info" mode of the /v2/interfaces API" (comments: 1) [Open]
13:36 <willcooke> * It turns out that this API doesn't currently provide a way to
13:36 <willcooke> reliably tell which interfaces are connected, so it looks like the
13:36 <willcooke> legacy "ask for data about every single connection on the system and
13:36 <willcooke> then filter client side" is the only option for now:
13:36 <willcooke> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/should-v2-interfaces-select-connected-return-unconnected-plugs-slots/6455/2
13:36 <willcooke> * I hope to have a version of the PA patch ready for testing soon.
13:36 <willcooke> #topic jibel / heber
13:37 <jibel> - Preparing the release of 18.04.1 this thursday
13:37 <jibel> - Troubleshooted bug 1772844 that prevented launch of preinstalled snap and installation of some other snaps (eg gedit)
13:37 <ubot5> bug 1772844 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "snapd didn't initialize all the seeded snaps" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1772844
13:37 <jibel> - Tested EFI installation with an existing legacy installation (typical use case is the side by side installation with MS Windows)
13:37 <jibel> - Reviewed upgrade bugs to 18.04
13:37 <jibel> - Smoke tests of 18.04.1 with proposed enabled.
13:37 <jibel> done
13:37 <willcooke> thanks jibel
13:37 <willcooke> #topic kenvandine
13:37 <kenvandine> * Sprint last week
13:37 <kenvandine> * Decided on the name for our fork of gnome-software, it will be "snap-store".  When run on Ubuntu you'll get the full experience you would get from our current deb but when run on other distros it will be a fro
13:37 <kenvandine> ntend to just the snap store.
13:37 <kenvandine> - The snappy team is working on adding the interfaces we need to run snap-store confined
13:37 <kenvandine> ⚾
13:37 <willcooke> thanks kenvandine
13:38 <willcooke> #topic Laney
13:38 <Laney> • short week, was on holiday friday & monday
13:38 <Laney> • mainly did some updates / reviews / sponsoring (some to SRU too)
13:38 <Laney> • gtk, mutter, gnome-shell, vala
13:38 <Laney> • had to fix a few issues in gtk to get it to build / test, all merged upstream
13:38 <Laney> • usual git stuff, some fixes merged but also some of the updates above were done using this workflow which was nice
13:38 <Laney> • Florian reviewed my gnome-shell branches; I fixed according to the comments and they got merged. systemd 👏
13:38 <Laney> 🚲🚲🚲
13:38 <willcooke> thanks Laney
13:39 <willcooke> #topic oSoMoN
13:39 <oSoMoN> hey
13:39 <oSoMoN> • chromium
13:39 <oSoMoN> ∘ working on content snap for chromium-ffmpeg-extras (https://trello.com/c/iOMMKdy7/52-snap-that-provides-a-content-interface-for-chromium-ffmpeg-extras)
13:39 <oSoMoN> ∘ updated beta to 68.0.3440.68
13:39 <oSoMoN> ∘ updating dev to 69.0.3493.3
13:39 <oSoMoN> • libreoffice
13:39 <oSoMoN> ∘ fixed https://github.com/ubuntu/gtk-communitheme/issues/350 (theming with communitytheme)
13:39 <oSoMoN> ∘ promoted 6.0.5.2 snap to stable channel
13:39 <oSoMoN> ∘ pushed 6.0.6.1 snap to the candidate channel and issued call for testing (https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-libreoffice-6-0-6/6468)
13:39 <oSoMoN> ∘ pushed 6.1.0.1 snap to the beta channel, then updated to 6.1.0.2
13:39 <oSoMoN> ∘ uploaded 6.0.6~rc1 to cosmic-proposed and updated hint to ignore i386 autopkgtest failure (https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/britney/hints-ubuntu-libreoffice/+merge/350721)
13:39 <oSoMoN> • snaps
13:39 <oSoMoN> ∘ gnome-software: added logic to hide Updates tab when we're not on Ubuntu and exposing only the snap backend: https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gnome-software/commit/50e0cfeb1e3529b6e5c04820ddffa64754312ac5
13:39 <oSoMoN> 🥑
13:39 <willcooke> thanks oSoMoN
13:39 <willcooke> #topic seb128
13:40 <seb128> • one day off (friday swap for GUADEC over the w.e)
13:40 <seb128> • sponsored g-s segfault fix from andyroc_k to cosmic&bionic - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1781996
13:40 <seb128> • reviewed notes from Montréal & GUADEC conference report
13:40 <seb128> • some cosmic updates (gnome-keyring, alsa-plugins)
13:40 <seb128> • spent some time playing with/learning the workflow of the new git packaging
13:40 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1781996 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/gnome-software:11:g_date_time_to_instant:g_date_time_to_unix:gs_plugin_refine_app:gs_plugin_loader_call_vfunc:gs_plugin_loader_run_refine_filter" [Medium,Fix released]
13:40 <seb128> • verified some bonic SRUs for .1
13:40 <seb128> • opened a MIR for sshfs which is a depends of gs-connect
13:40 <seb128> </week>
13:40 <willcooke> thanks seb128
13:40 <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
13:42 <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
13:43 <Trevinho> · Nautilus:
13:43 <Trevinho> - Prepared upstream release 3.26.4:
13:43 <Trevinho> - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/merge_requests/269
13:43 <Trevinho> - Proposed to salsa 3.26.4:
13:43 <Trevinho> https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/nautilus/merge_requests/2
13:43 <Trevinho> https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/nautilus/merge_requests/3
13:43 <Trevinho> - Prepared 3.26.4 (3.26.3.1 first) for Ubuntu:
13:43 <Trevinho> cosmic, https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+git/gnome-shell/+ref/ubuntu/master
13:43 <Trevinho> bionic, https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+git/gnome-shell/+merge/349984
13:43 <Trevinho> - Continued fixes for bug #1767027 upstream
13:43 <Trevinho> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/merge_requests/249
13:43 <ubot5> bug 1767027 in nautilus (Ubuntu Bionic) "Search current folder only in nautilus doesn't work (Ubuntu 18.04)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1767027
13:43 <Trevinho> - Doing debugging work to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/nautilus/+bug/1756826
13:43 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1756826 in nautilus (Ubuntu Bionic) "hangs when locate search provider matches a lot of files" [High,Triaged]
13:43 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 269 in nautilus "Prepare gnome-3-26 branch for 3.26.4 release" (comments: 2) [Merged]
13:43 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 2 in nautilus "Add nautilus 3.26.4 to pristine-tar" (comments: 0) [Merged]
13:43 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 3 in nautilus "Update upstream/3.26.x with 3.26.4" (comments: 0) [Merged]
13:43 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 249 in nautilus "Recursive query flags" (comments: 48) [3. Review Ready, Opened]
13:43 <Trevinho> · Mutter, prepared 3.28.3:
13:43 <Trevinho> - https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/mutter/merge_requests/5
13:43 <Trevinho> · GNOME Shell, prepared 3.28.3 (with patch refreshes):
13:43 <Trevinho> - debian, https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-shell/merge_requests/2
13:43 <Trevinho> - cosmic, https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+git/gnome-shell/+ref/ubuntu/master
13:43 <Trevinho> - bionic, https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+git/gnome-shell/+merge/349984
13:43 <Trevinho> - Updates to https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/8#note_267751 (now merged!)
13:43 <Trevinho> 🇪🇸
13:43 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 5 in mutter "Update upstream/latest" (comments: 0) [Merged]
13:43 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 2 in gnome-shell "New upstream release 3.28.3" (comments: 0) [Merged]
13:43 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 8 in gnome-shell "Repositioned window in activities" (comments: 17) [1. Bug, Merged]
13:43 <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
13:43 <willcooke> #topic rls-bugs
13:43 <willcooke> I'm unprepared for this section, as usual
13:44 <seb128> haha
13:44 <willcooke> looking at rls-bb
13:44 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html has 1 new bug
13:44 <seb128> which we discussed there some days ago and needs an assigne
13:44 <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1775226
13:44 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1775226 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Gnome Software offers installation of updates on shutdown independently from update-manager and unattended-upgrades" [High,New]
13:44 <willcooke> that one?
13:45 <seb128> yes
13:45 <kenvandine> yeah
13:45 <willcooke> kenvandine, can Robert take a look?  Would probably be quickest
13:45 <willcooke> except he's on hols
13:45 <seb128> basically rbalin_t find the trigger, clicking on "refresh" in g-s triggers offline updates
13:45 <willcooke> oh, back tomorrow
13:45 <kenvandine> willcooke, yeah... or oSoMoN
13:45 <seb128> no, he's away autoresponder said 31st no?
13:45 <seb128> still one week?
13:45 <kenvandine> he should be back tomorrow
13:46 * willcooke checks the HR system
13:46 <seb128> ah ok, maybe I remember wrongly
13:46 <oSoMoN> I can have a look
13:46 <willcooke> (btw, emailed them about getting an ical feature.  It's on their backlog)
13:46 <willcooke> oki, thanks oSoMoN
13:46 <oSoMoN> once I'm done with chromium ffmpeg content snap
13:46 <kenvandine> oSoMoN, yeah... might be a good way to get started :)
13:46 <willcooke> assigned it
13:46 <seb128> willcooke, good news!
13:46 <seb128> oSoMoN, thx
13:47 <willcooke> (my shell has crashed, bear with me)
13:47 <seb128> willcooke, kenvandine, HR has robert off until friday included
13:47 <kenvandine> i was just checking that :)
13:47 <seb128> which matches his email autorespond
13:47 <willcooke> cc looks clear
13:47 <willcooke> anyone got any other bugs / lists of bugs to talk about?
13:48 <kenvandine> ok, oh i think he extended that and we never updated the calendar
13:48 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html
13:48 <seb128> same 1 bug there
13:48 <willcooke> yeah
13:48 <Laney> that's probably a return TRUE in the plugin somewhere
13:48 <Laney> like the other one I added
13:48 * Laney hints
13:48 <seb128> oSoMoN, ^
13:48 <Laney> :-)
13:49 <willcooke> :)
13:49 <willcooke> k, moving on to...
13:49 <oSoMoN> ack
13:49 <willcooke> #AOB
13:49 <willcooke> #topic AOB
13:49 <willcooke> anyone got anything to share?
13:49 <seb128> L_aney pointed out that now would be a good time to get going with updating GNOME to 3.29
13:49 <seb128> would be nice if we did it as a team effort
13:49 <kenvandine> +1
13:50 <andyrock> happy to help
13:50 <Beret> hi
13:50 <didrocks> agreed, however, unsure we have scheduled enough slots for everyone to deal with it, but let's see :)
13:50 <seb128> those who want to join please do, use IRC & version and open bugs for updates so we don't duplicate work
13:50 <Beret> does the desktop installer support RAID at all these days?
13:50 <Beret> I want to install a machine with software RAID and FDE
13:50 <willcooke> Beret, two secs..
13:50 <Beret> hah
13:51 <seb128> Beret, we are in a meeting atm
13:51 <willcooke> I thought you were going to ask in the other channel :D
13:51 <Beret> oh
13:51 <Beret> you're all in a meeting
13:51 <willcooke> nearly finished
13:51 <Beret> I was trying to save will from my ping
13:51 <Beret> take your time
13:51 <Beret> this is obviously not urgent
13:51 <Beret> my shiney NUC is awaiting its new softwrae load
13:51 <seb128> k, so yeah, let's update GNOME
13:51 <willcooke> k, so seb128 can you lead the co-ordination of the upgrade
13:51 <seb128> :)
13:51 <seb128> yes
13:51 <willcooke> woot
13:52 <willcooke> anyone got anything else?
13:52 <seb128> also good time to start using the new workflow
13:52 <willcooke> +1
13:52 <willcooke> MOAR Trello
13:52 <seb128> since we have git branches for quite some components now
13:52 <seb128> haha
13:52 <willcooke> ;)
13:52 <kenvandine> oh yeah...
13:52 <seb128> it's documented on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
13:52 <seb128> ups
13:52 <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/git
13:52 <Laney> yes, do people feel like we have a handle on the rls tracking bugs?
13:52 <willcooke> will be nice to see if we can iron out all the git process issues
13:52 <Laney> I think it was considered fake news last time I raised this
13:52 <Laney> but...
13:53 <Laney> seems to me like there's things which sit there from week to week
13:53 <seb128> I'm happy to have another look to the current list, like I did the first time that was raised
13:54 <seb128> my gut feeling is that we have an handle on the important issues
13:54 <seb128> but we are not that good at getting some of the things that don't look important off the list
13:54 <willcooke> I think the list itself is in good shape.  The problem we have is when there is something that we don't know what to do about right away we skip it for a week.  We need to be better at assigning an owner who can look at it outside of the meeting when times is
13:54 <willcooke> time isn't as pressured
13:54 <seb128> or some of the things we keep dismissing and having to come back to
13:54 <Laney> not to pick on any one person
13:54 <Laney> but https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1758035
13:54 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1758035 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu Bionic) "[regression] gnome-shell crashed with SIGTRAP in g_realloc_n() from g_log_structured()" [High,Confirmed]
13:55 <Laney> this is on theh list and didn't see an update for ages
13:55 <seb128> right, it should probably be off the list
13:55 <Laney> this is what I'm raising
13:55 <Laney> if the list is things to work on
13:55 <seb128> it's one of those which we keep skipping over because that's not really one we can act on
13:55 <Laney> then it should be kept that way imho
13:55 <seb128> right & agreed
13:56 <seb128> we should probably just be more agressive to remove those
13:56 <seb128> and maybe create trello cards in backlog in exchange
13:56 <seb128> the reason we have that one (and some others) still tagged is that some team members argue it's important we keep an eye on the issue
13:56 <seb128> but yeah, rls-nn is probably the wrong way to do it
13:57 <Laney> to me the point of that list was things that were going to be worked on to a resolution
13:58 <seb128> yes
13:59 <seb128> the issue is that we believe some of the items ought to be driven to a resolution but we don't have the manpower at the time we review the list to do something about them
13:59 <seb128> so they never get properly handled / stay on the backlog
13:59 <seb128> I'm unsure what's the best way to deal with that
13:59 <willcooke> seb128, perhaps we should have a section in our managers meeting to check on the progress of things which were flagged as needing work but dont have anyone to do it
13:59 <willcooke> that's likely to use a lot of time up though, but it needs to be done
14:00 <willcooke> or, as you say, a Trello list
14:00 <Laney> everything in that list is meant to be assigned when it is put there (by us), or when we notice it at a weekly meeting
14:00 <seb128> yeah, I think my preference would be to get those that needs investigation in the trello backlog
14:00 <seb128> but it's moving from one backlog list to another one
14:00 <Laney> the issue is that the meeting is what? too rushed to consider it properly?
14:00 <seb128> so I'm unsure it's solving anything
14:00 <willcooke> Laney, yeah, feels too rushed
14:01 <seb128> also we don't have the whole team
14:01 <seb128> often assigning things to e.g robert_ancell or duflu doesn't have the outcome we want
14:01 <Laney> right
14:02 <willcooke> If part of the problem is that people need chasing more, that's easily addressed
14:02 <Laney> sort of confused to be honest why assigning work to people doesn't result in the work getting done
14:02 <Laney> but I probably don't understand properly the problem
14:02 <Laney> s/bad english/good english/
14:02 <seb128> well, that's another issue
14:03 <seb128> I discussed a bit that at GUADEC with Robert, his view was that it's difficult to keep track of things when they are not at the same place
14:03 <seb128> like he uses the trello board but doesn't keep up with launchpad
14:03 <seb128> so he said he would prefer to have those as trello cards
14:03 <kenvandine> so getting cards for those should help
14:03 <kenvandine> at least for him
14:03 <seb128> yeah
14:04 <seb128> but we can't flex for each individual preference
14:04 <Laney> facepalm
14:04 <seb128> we can also decide that people who don't deal with their assigned bugs needs to be reminded to
14:04 <seb128> anyway, that starts being a management's discussion and probably an issue we need to resolve but not here/now
14:04 <Laney> like, fix your filters so you see assigned bugs
14:04 <Laney> would be my preference
14:05 <seb128> yeah
14:05 <didrocks> (agreed)
14:05 <seb128> so going back to the topic
14:05 <seb128> I would suggest to not assign to people who didn't agree to during the meeting
14:05 <seb128> in case we don't know what to do, let's add an action item for the most-appropriate-manager to find an assignee by the next meeting
14:05 <seb128> and review those actions in the next meeting
14:05 <kenvandine> yeah
14:05 <willcooke> +1 sounds like a good step forward
14:06 <willcooke> then we at least get an owner between now and the next meeting
14:06 <seb128> Laney, let's try that + make clear cut on the items rather than skip when we don't know waht to do
14:06 <seb128> and see how it goes?
14:07 <seb128> k, I think we are done with this topic
14:07 <seb128> other topic?
14:07 <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
14:07 <willcooke> - ippusbxd: Release of version 1.33, containing changes contributed by Google's Chrome OS printing guru David Valleau, for more robust operation and compatibility with more printer manufacturers/models.
14:07 <willcooke> - cups-browsed: Investigating crash bug on manual definition of printer clusters.
14:07 <willcooke> - Google Summer of Code 2018: Mentoring of the students on Common Print Dialog Backends and printer auto-selection by job. Especially gave ideas to the students on point where they got stuck.
14:07 <willcooke> - Upgraded main laptop to Cosmic.
14:07 <willcooke> - Bugs.
14:08 <willcooke> #topic AOB
14:08 <Laney> that would be good, but I'm still worried about activity once things are assigned
14:08 <Laney> maybe that's not my problem
14:08 <Laney> what is this quote cutting off the meeting bot :-)
14:08 <seb128> right, that's probably something we need to keep an eye on
14:08 <seb128> that doesn't work
14:08 <seb128> the bot is going to put it back next time it changes the topic :p
14:08 <willcooke> Right, lets wrap up and see how we get on next week
14:09 <willcooke> thanks all
14:09 <willcooke> #endmeeting