15:30 <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2017-06-20 15:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jun 20 15:30:42 2017 UTC. The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 15:30 <meetingology> 15:30 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 15:30 <oSoMoN> 🙋 15:31 <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel, heber(out), kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out) 15:31 <jbicha> ugh, Current topi 15:31 <kenvandine> o/ 15:31 <andyrock> hey 15:31 <jibel> hi o/ 15:32 <Laney> hi 15:32 <willcooke> jibel, good spot - I'll change the topic before I start next week, and change it back again when I'm done 15:32 <willcooke> s/jibel/jbicha 15:32 <Laney> it happened last week too 15:32 <Laney> just shrink it a bit after the meeting 15:32 <willcooke> kk 15:33 <oSoMoN> URL-shortening the link to trello should do the trick 15:33 <willcooke> door, sec 15:34 <willcooke> back 15:34 <willcooke> not Amazon 15:34 <willcooke> :( 15:34 <willcooke> right, let's go 15:34 <willcooke> #topic andyrock 15:34 <andyrock> # Lost some time trying to understand how to port snapd-glib to trusty (Rober alread did that, next time I'll make sure to ask before) 15:35 * willcooke makes a note that andyrock can be a snapd glib maintainer 15:35 <andyrock> # Working on adding livepatch status gui to update-manager (so list of CVEs + description) 15:35 <andyrock> # eow 15:36 <willcooke> thanks andyrock 15:36 <willcooke> #topic dgadomski 15:36 <dgadomski> hey 15:36 <dgadomski> Trying to find a way to disable WiFi Direct for iwlwifi devices. Looks like some enterprise AP hardware blocks them for security and most probably there's no way of doing that. 15:36 <dgadomski> eof 15:36 <willcooke> thanks dgadomski 15:36 <dgadomski> thanks 15:37 <willcooke> #topic didrocks 15:37 <willcooke> * Migrate unity session from ubuntu-session to a new unity-session package and all related changes in other packages due to systemd session. 15:37 <willcooke> * Snapcraft desktop helper time tracing for possible optimizations. Found that we can shove off 2 or 3s at first start if we rewrite it in Golang, but can't do way more (the longest time is waiting for update-mime-database to proceed which is a multiple seconds process) 15:37 <willcooke> * Worked on theme snaps (HO with seb). Draft some examples on github and wrote a google doc with needed changes and blockers on our existing snapd interface mechanism. 15:37 <willcooke> * some AA work for KDE packages. 15:37 <willcooke> * Merged some ubuntu make contributor PR. 15:37 <willcooke> * Prepared Stuttgart nearby travel for client doing snap demos and workshops. 15:37 <willcooke> * Finish a suite of blog posts to be published really (on ubuntu make vs classic snap experience). 15:37 <willcooke> * Answered on some desktop related questions on the snapcraft forum. 15:37 <willcooke> #topic duflu 15:37 <willcooke> * PulseAudio: 15:37 <willcooke> - SRU of A2DP Bluetooth audio fixes to xenial: 15:37 <willcooke> . Still waiting (4 weeks) to enter proposed (am I missing something?): 15:37 <willcooke> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=pulseaudio 15:37 <willcooke> . The primary SRU bug (out of three) is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1582213 15:37 <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1582213 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu Xenial) "[xenial] Bluetooth device doesn't play any sound in A2DP mode unless set to HSP/HFP first" [High,In progress] 15:37 <willcooke> * BlueZ: 15:38 <willcooke> - Release 5.45 to artful completed. Quicker than expected. 15:38 <willcooke> - Investigated the #1 hottest bluez bug for desktop. Thought I had a fix but came to a surprising conclusion; it's actually invalid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1490349 15:38 <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1490349 in bluez (Ubuntu) "15:10 and 16.04: bluetoothd "Failed to start discovery: org.bluez.Error.NotReady" after bluetoothd restarted" [High,Invalid] 15:38 <willcooke> * Video acceleration: 15:38 <willcooke> - Got blocked in efforts to use Intel MSDK. Proprietary build dependencies and users having to rebuild their own video players are a roadblock. But hopeful that Intel fix this in future (they say they will). 15:38 <willcooke> - Succeeded elsewhere using a different plan: GStreamer has a VA-API decoder: 15:38 <willcooke> Result: 3% CPU to play 4K 60 FPS video on a Haswell desktop. 15:38 <willcooke> - Even better: 4K H.265 HEVC video is now playable (requires Sky Lake, or Kaby Lake for 10-bit). Until now even modern machines haven't been able to play those properly (software decoding). 15:38 <willcooke> - Documented instructions and future plans: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntelQuickSyncVideo 15:38 <willcooke> * Libinput: 15:38 <willcooke> - Spent time trying to find workarounds for non-responsive touchpads under Wayland/libinput. No success yet but did notice artful is using an old libinput release. We should update. 15:38 <willcooke> * Other Audio: 15:38 <willcooke> - Testing fixes for XPS 13 audio: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1654448 15:38 <willcooke> * Daily bug maintenance across gnome-shell, bluez, pulseaudio. 15:38 <willcooke> - In particular gnome-shell performance is becoming a common topic: 15:38 <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1654448 in linux (Ubuntu) "XPS 13 9360 and 9350, Realtek ALC3246, Headphone audio hiss" [Medium,In progress] 15:38 <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bugs?field.tag=performance 15:39 <willcooke> #topic jbicha 15:39 <jbicha> • Completed Evolution 3.24.3 transition 15:39 <jbicha> • Fixed several FTBFS resulting from vala 0.36 (although ricotz did most of the prep work, thanks!) 15:39 <jbicha> • Merged NetworkManager and nm-applet 1.8 from Debian unstable (nplan autopkgtest failures keeping it in -proposed) 15:39 <jbicha> • Merged dbus 1.10.10 from Debian stretch 15:39 <jbicha> • Released Tweak Tool 3.25.3 15:39 <jbicha> • Blogged about WebKit for Debian 9 release and new Tweak Tool release 15:39 <jbicha> eof 15:39 <willcooke> thanks jbicha 15:40 <willcooke> #topic jamesh 15:40 <willcooke> * produced a working proof of concept of a strict confined snap 15:40 <willcooke> talking to xdg-desktop-portal and wrote about how others could test it 15:40 <willcooke> on the Snapcraft forum. No replies so far. I also tried to restart 15:40 <willcooke> the discussion about per-user mounts, which is also waiting. 15:40 <willcooke> * started the process of upstreaming the snap plugin for 15:40 <willcooke> gnome-builder. The maintainer is receptive to accepting it, but would 15:40 <willcooke> like some changes to how things are done (let the IDE directly call 15:40 <willcooke> configure/make to enable incremental builds). 15:40 <willcooke> * Started on gnome-software bug #1690280 (allow installation of 15:40 <ubot5`> bug 1690280 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Classic confined snaps don't install" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1690280 15:40 <willcooke> classic snaps). Using Robert's initial patch, and working on the UI 15:40 <willcooke> side. 15:40 <willcooke> #topic jibel 15:40 <jibel> * Continued work on desktop test plan and completed the part for gnome software 15:40 <jibel> * Investigating introspectability issues of gnome-software. 15:40 <jibel> * Merged job definition for running desktop tests on HW using testflinger. 15:40 <jibel> * Created document with highlights and definitions to start automating desktop tests. 15:40 <jibel> * Started implementing the foundations to run end user tests on gnome shell. 15:40 <jibel> eof 15:40 <willcooke> thanks jibel 15:40 <jibel> yw 15:40 <willcooke> #topic kenvandine 15:40 <kenvandine> * Finished snapping gedit using the gnome-3-24 platform snap, getting it into the store now 15:40 <kenvandine> * Created a topic on the snapcraft forum to discuss which snaps should be maintained by canonical vs community: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/which-snaps-should-be-supported-by-canonical/1064 15:40 <kenvandine> * Found some issues with using the gnome-3-24 snap when an app (like gedit) needed stage-packages that aren't in the gnome-3-24 snap but also depend on libs in the gnome-3-24. Those libs would still get duplicated. I have a workaround to strip out all of those files in the gedit snap, but it's not pretty. I started a discussion on the snapcraft forum about this. 15:41 <kenvandine> * Continued to followup with security on the gdm MIR, no progress yet but I'll keep nagging them from time to time 15:41 <kenvandine> * Getting started on the LightDM -> GDM transition 15:41 * kenvandine OUT 15:41 <willcooke> thanks kenvandine 15:41 <jbicha> lol 15:42 <willcooke> #topic Laney 15:42 <Laney> sec 15:42 <Laney> NO MORE SEC 15:42 <Laney> • gnome-software/asgen: 15:42 <Laney> ∘ Some prep packaging for 3.25. I said this would be uploaded 'this week' last week, but it hasn't happened yet, sry - still need to poke at a crash I saw 15:42 <Laney> ∘ proposed a MP to asgen to generate type=codec data for gstreamer packages so they show up nicely in gnome-software 15:42 <Laney> ∘ this work should all be good to go now once it's reviewed 15:43 <Laney> • poking at / testing a fix for a glib testsuite problem 15:43 <Laney> • much time discussing libtimezonemap change wrt India and reading about borders and stuff 15:43 <Laney> • some babysitting of autopkgtest runners 15:43 <Laney> • some upstream (GNOME) patch reviews 15:43 <Laney> 🛀 15:43 <willcooke> Is that... is that a bath tub? 15:43 <Laney> STEAMY! 15:43 <willcooke> lol 15:43 <kenvandine> lol 15:43 <Laney> actually it's not warm today 15:43 <willcooke> thanks for you help with libtimezonemap laney 15:43 <Laney> heh 15:44 <Laney> "n" "p" 15:44 <willcooke> #topic oSoMoN 15:44 <oSoMoN> • fixed bug #1697496 15:44 <ubot5`> bug 1697496 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "chromium 59.0.3071.86 crashes at startup on x86" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1697496 15:44 <oSoMoN> • bisecting to find the upstream revision that caused bug #1696965, getting really close 15:44 <ubot5`> bug 1696965 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "First renderer process doesn't render page for chromium 59.0.3071.86 in KVM" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696965 15:44 <oSoMoN> • updated chromium beta to 60.0.3112.32, dev to 61.0.3128.3 15:44 <oSoMoN> • working on libreoffice 5.3.3 snap, switched to classic confinement to resolve a number of open issues (triaged all snap-specific bugs), should have something ready for wider testing by tomorrow 15:44 <oSoMoN> ⒺⓄⒻ 15:45 <willcooke> thanks oSoMoN 15:45 <seb128> oSoMoN, is there a tag or something to list the snap specific issues? 15:46 <willcooke> (sorry folks, another meeting going on) 15:46 <oSoMoN> seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bugs?field.tag=snap 15:46 <seb128> great 15:46 <willcooke> #topic seb128 15:46 <seb128> • tried some co-working spaces, pondering subscribing to one of those 15:46 <seb128> • worked with Didier on detailing how snap themes could work, including writing examples 15:46 <seb128> • replied to a snapcraft-forum discussion about themes with details of what is working today 15:46 <seb128> • demoted a stack of unity components to universe 15:46 <seb128> • talked to the mir team about gtk-mir in artful 15:46 <seb128> • some binNEW reviews 15:46 <seb128> • usual bugs triaging, participated in list discussions, etc 15:46 <seb128> </week> 15:47 <willcooke> thanks seb128 15:47 <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter 15:47 <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Several crash fixes and stability improvements in cups-browsed. 15:47 <tkamppeter> - CUPS: Crash bug got fixed upstream and feature to identify temporary CUPS queues got added upstream, so requirements to make cups-browsed work together with new CUPS are fulfilled. 15:47 <tkamppeter> - Packaging: Debian opened unstable after the last release, so several printing packages got uploaded there. Synced CUPS, cups-filters, ippusbxd, HPLIP, Gutenprint, and foo2zjs to Ubuntu. 15:47 <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2017: Student project coordination and mentoring. 15:47 <tkamppeter> - Bugs. 15:48 <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter 15:48 <willcooke> #topic Trevinho 15:48 <Trevinho> · Continued work in mutter and gnome-control-center 15:48 <Trevinho> · Review and landing of ubuntu-themes and compiz branches 15:48 <Trevinho> · Experimenting lighter Headerbar theme 15:48 <Trevinho> · Wrote a fractional scaling hackfest report (http://go.3v1n0.net/GNOME-Fractional-Report) 15:48 <Trevinho> - Got some user feedback, and updating Scaling wiki accordingly 15:48 <Trevinho> · Reviews of some Trello cards 15:48 <Trevinho> · Some improvements to my work environment (wrote some gnome snippets, more automated build environment...) 15:48 <Trevinho> -- 15:49 <willcooke> thanks Trevinho 15:49 <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell 15:49 <willcooke> - Rebased xenial gnome-software on 3.20.5 15:49 <willcooke> - SRU snapd-glib 1.13 to zesty, xenial 15:49 <willcooke> - SRU snapd-glib 1.12 to trusty. Required a big patch to support glib 2.40 15:49 <willcooke> - Fix up and resubmit zesty gnome-software SRU 15:49 <willcooke> - Disable LightDM guest session in artful to match security fixes in stable releases (not likely to be fixed soon). 15:49 <seb128> Trevinho, feel free to share the work environment improvement tips :-) 15:49 <willcooke> - Sponsored fixes to dee, hud, unity-greeter 15:49 <willcooke> #topic AOB 15:50 <willcooke> 32 bit images.... I said I would get some indication of number of downloads - haven't got that yet 15:50 <seb128> I didn't find any info about apps which would stop 32 bit support and when 15:51 <gQuigs> I did some 32 bit image data from torrents a while ago.. I can look that up 15:51 <willcooke> Shall we punt it to next week again? 15:51 <seb128> +1 15:51 <willcooke> gQuigs, oh! that would be super useful, thanks 15:53 <willcooke> oki, if no objections I will move it to next week. 15:53 <willcooke> Anyone got any other business? 15:53 * oSoMoN keeps his slang to himself 15:54 <jbicha> jackpot51 tole me he wanted to discuss the encrypted-home thing again, but maybe he stepped out 15:54 <jbicha> he's got patches for review at LP: #1699216 15:54 <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1699216 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu) "Encrypted home support" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1699216 15:54 <jackpot51> I am here 15:55 <jackpot51> It is ready for testing - gnome-control-center and gnome-initial-setup have patches using a new accountsservice - look at the bug for details 15:55 <jackpot51> It means that the user creation in gnome-initial-setup and gnome-control-center allow you to select encrypted home folder 15:56 <Laney> jackpot51: the change to accountsservice is an API break, right? 15:56 <jackpot51> Yes, it is 15:56 <seb128> jackpot51, hey, what did you think about discussing those changes and gnome-initial-setup on ubuntu-devel@ as I suggested yesterday? 15:56 <jackpot51> A little bit 15:56 <Laney> I don't think we can do that 15:56 <Laney> what about making it a separate method? 15:57 <jackpot51> That is possible, I could make it a seperate function. 15:57 <jackpot51> The old function could become a stub that calls the new function with FALSE for the encrypt_home parameter 15:57 <jackpot51> This is meant to go along with another change - removing OEM mode from ubiquity and using gnome-initial-setup instead 15:58 <Laney> something like that 15:58 <jackpot51> I can probably complete that in an hour. I just need help to merge upstream, which is very important to me 15:59 <seb128> jackpot51, upstream bugs are on https://bugs.freedesktop.org that would be the first step, opening a bug describing what you need there 16:00 <Laney> indeed, having it upstream would be best 16:00 <Laney> the only problem is the --encrypt-home thing is Ubuntu specific? 16:00 <jackpot51> Yes, it appears to be. At the very least, having it upstream in Ubuntu is good 16:01 <jackpot51> Right now I am holding it in a PPA 16:01 <jbicha> that ext4 replacement might be really attractive to other distros when it's ready 16:01 <jackpot51> I agree. And at that point the patch can be offered to the most upstream place 16:01 <seb128> ext4 replacement? 16:02 <jackpot51> So - we are in agreement that such a patch, with the API compatability fixed, would go into upstream ubuntu easily? 16:02 <jackpot51> And may go further upstream if encrypt-home gets more wide support? 16:04 <jbicha> seb128: tyhicks said yesterday he'd like to switch to native ext4 instead of ecryptfs for encrypted home directories, but that's still an early WIP 16:05 <Trevinho> Laney: can you please add your sizes for https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/ScaleFactorTests as I'm not sure I wrongly typed it at the office 16:05 <jackpot51> He said the same --encrypt-home flag I am using would be used, right? 16:05 <Trevinho> for the XPS 13 we had 16:05 <jackpot51> Well, I will update my patches on that bug for whomever is interested 16:05 <tyhicks> jackpot51: yes, same adduser flag will continue to work 16:05 <jackpot51> cool 16:06 <seb128> jackpot51, you keep ignoring my hint about discussing it on the list btw so I'm going to stop mentioning it but I'm personally not interested to work on changes that haven't been discussed with the project 16:06 <jackpot51> Which list? 16:07 <seb128> the ones I mentioned to you yesterday and earlier 16:07 <seb128> devel/desktop 16:08 <willcooke> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel 16:08 <willcooke> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop 16:09 <Laney> Trevinho: I have to get a ruler and measure my screen? 16:10 <Trevinho> Laney: yep :-) 16:10 <Trevinho> Laney: but actually I'm mostly interested on what mutter / xrandr outputs 16:11 <Laney> Trevinho: k, what are the commands please? 16:11 <jackpot51> I subscribed seb128, I will wait for confirmation... 16:12 <seb128> jackpot51, great 16:12 <willcooke> kk, anymore for any more? 16:12 <seb128> not me 16:12 <Trevinho> Laney: xrandr --verbose (or without flag) 16:13 <willcooke> oki, I need to get on another meeting, so please carry on if needed 16:13 <willcooke> #endmeeting