15:31 <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-07-12
15:31 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul 12 15:31:29 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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15:31 <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt (out),  dgadomski, fjkong, happyaron (swap), hikiko (out), laney, qengho (out), seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
15:31 <Sweet5hark> heya
15:31 <andyrock> o/
15:31 <seb128> hey
15:31 <Laney> meow
15:32 <dgadomski> hey
15:32 <FJKong> --. .-
15:32 <Trevinho> Hey
15:32 <willcooke> FJKong, can you do semaphor too?
15:33 <willcooke> Right, let's go, this will be pretty quick this week
15:33 <FJKong> willcooke: no.. just morse code
15:33 <willcooke> #topic andyrock
15:34 * willcooke makes a note to change the topic once we're done
15:34 <andyrock> 1. [BUG:1575452] Copy/move dialog cannot be switched to - DONE
15:34 <andyrock> 2.  [BUG:1600389] Keep the screen locked if autologin is enabled - WIP
15:34 <andyrock> 3. Change bug descriptions for SRUs
15:34 <andyrock> eof
15:35 <willcooke> thanks andyrock
15:35 <willcooke> is there a ppa I can use to play with # 1?
15:35 <andyrock> not yet
15:35 <andyrock> if you need I can setup one
15:35 <willcooke> nah, I can wait for the silo etc.  Would you ping me a link when you have one?
15:36 <andyrock> yup, i'll setup a recipe btw
15:36 <andyrock> should be ready in a couple of hours
15:36 <willcooke> nice, thanks andyrock, no hurry though
15:36 <willcooke> #topic attente
15:36 <attente> hey
15:36 <attente> finished reviewing anpok's first set of gtk-mir patches
15:36 <attente> snapd-xdg-open sru
15:37 <attente> first iteration of menu patches have been reviewed and currently making revisions on them now
15:37 <attente> (eof)
15:37 <willcooke> great stuff, thanks attente
15:37 <willcooke> #topic desrt
15:37 <willcooke> * now on european time until after GUADEC
15:37 <willcooke> * path lookup code is now finding 'library' (ie: plugin/resource) files
15:37 <willcooke> for libs (lib/) and programs (bin/) in system and "bundled" locations,
15:37 <willcooke> seamlessly, without recompile
15:37 <willcooke> * managed to sort out multiarch and "lib64" style library directories
15:37 <willcooke> even when the program in question is in bin/ by using the location of
15:37 <willcooke> glib itself
15:37 <willcooke> * started looking in to what will be necessary to unify the code with
15:37 <willcooke> our approach to windows and macos
15:37 <willcooke> * ^D
15:37 <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
15:37 <dgadomski> hey
15:38 <dgadomski> I continued working on bug #1598183, checking how the file open flags are set in gio/glib
15:38 <ubot5> bug 1598183 in gvfs "Operation not permitted while writing to symlinked fuse locations" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1598183
15:38 <dgadomski> nd that's it in the desktop area, thanks
15:38 <willcooke> thanks a lot dgadomski
15:38 <willcooke> #topic FJKong
15:38 <FJKong> hi
15:38 <FJKong> 
15:38 <FJKong> * translation  work for bug/1588140 bug/1588646 bug/1588660 bug/1588647, source code reading for context
15:38 <FJKong> * tracking bug about sogou IM crash after suspend
15:38 <FJKong> * switch IM when in brower problem
15:38 <FJKong> eof
15:39 <willcooke> FJKong, did you phone arrive?
15:39 <willcooke> *your
15:39 <FJKong> not yet
15:39 <willcooke> grrr
15:39 <willcooke> I'll ask for another one to be sent.
15:39 <FJKong> Nancy should notice me when it arrived
15:39 <FJKong> I think it is on the road maybe
15:40 <FJKong> some guy call me to confirm the infomation
15:40 <willcooke> ah good!
15:40 <willcooke> so it's in progress
15:40 <FJKong> ye
15:40 <willcooke> I will get a tracking number and see what I can find out.
15:40 <willcooke> thanks FJKong
15:40 <willcooke> #topic happyaron
15:40 <willcooke> happyaron, please let me have your update by email
15:41 <willcooke> #topic hikiko
15:41 <willcooke> - debug compiz/unity (bugs, startup issue, Y&X vm etc)
15:41 <willcooke> - some minor fixes in compiz, unity
15:41 <willcooke> - updated OEM documents
15:41 <willcooke> - snap, lxd configuration
15:41 <willcooke> - looking for other performance issues or improvements that can be done in lowgfx
15:41 <willcooke> #topic Laney
15:41 <Laney> • debconf
15:41 <Laney> ∘ hacked on the new appstream generator, now it can work without a local mirror by downloading stuff on demand
15:41 <Laney> ‣ still needs langpack and translation support at least, will get it on appstream.staging.ubuntu.com once IS get a move on
15:41 <Laney> ∘ got libpeas syncable, uploaded, synced & it migrated
15:41 <Laney> ∘ saw lots of talks, had lots of talks about appstream, ubuntu patches, britney, GRs, dak, transitions, problems/opportunities for derivatives, trademark policies, penguins
15:41 <Laney> • theme work
15:41 <Laney> ∘ Radiance is ported now too, uploaded to ppa
15:41 <Laney> ∘ some people contributed some extra fixes, need to review those
15:41 <Laney> • in the previous week I hacked on gnome-terminal and got that to work properly with gtk 3.20
15:41 <Laney> • pushed on some SRUs
15:41 <Laney> • I got a systemd bug where it spins at 100% cpu; something related to timer jobs - tried to nail it down but didn't manage to yet
15:41 <Laney> 😰
15:42 <seb128> conference report coming? ;-)
15:42 <willcooke> nice bullets
15:42 <seb128> the list of talk topics look interesting
15:42 <willcooke> thanks Laney
15:42 <seb128> I guess I can try to get a over-a-beer summary from you next week ;-)
15:43 <willcooke> :)
15:43 <Laney> that's conversations
15:43 <willcooke> #topic qengho
15:43 <willcooke> - yakkety Cr package partially debian-merged, and simplified, DONE. IN-PROGRESS backporting to t,v,x if possible.
15:43 <Laney> not talks
15:43 <willcooke> - IN-PROGRESS more work on dekko snap package, debugging its Qt crash bugs.
15:43 <willcooke> - TO-DO verify chromium snap security changes. look for remaining blockers.
15:43 <willcooke> oops, sorry Laney
15:43 <Laney> talks is http://meetings-archive.debian.net/Public/debian-meetings/2016/debconf16/
15:43 <Laney> carry on
15:43 <willcooke> #topic seb128
15:43 <seb128> • vac on friday
15:43 <seb128> • investigated lightdm/ucc regression concerning user login history
15:43 <seb128> • helped with some SRU verifications for xenial
15:43 <seb128> • tested lowgfx compiz version, found an issue with ucc which Marco fixed, good work Eleni&Marco!
15:43 <seb128> • looked at some snappy issues (java integration, xim erroring out, ...)
15:43 <seb128> • NEW reviews for the phone team
15:43 <seb128> • some desktop code reviews&sponsoring
15:43 <seb128> • thursday is our national day so day off work
15:43 <seb128> </week>
15:43 <seb128> thursday is the coming one
15:43 <willcooke> thanks seb128
15:44 <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
15:44 <seb128> Laney, thanks
15:44 <Sweet5hark> - snappy work on rc2 -- still l10n troubles, debugged the cause, no fix yet
15:44 <Sweet5hark> - this makes building l10n on snappy terribly slow but the result works
15:44 <Sweet5hark> => 709MB snap thus (including l10n, Base&Java, but without symbols or debuggability)
15:44 <Sweet5hark> - smoketested and bumped libreoffice 5.2 in the prereleases ppa
15:44 <Sweet5hark> => some nastiness there still: gtk2 doesnt have unity menus, default Ubuntu gtk3 themes look horrible still, but unity menues work on gtk3
15:44 <Sweet5hark> => both suck, will go with gtk3 as priority for yakkety dpkg packages, gtk2 is getting more and more obsolete as other distros retreat from it too
15:44 <Sweet5hark> => also we already have too many scenarios to support, so at least we should now keep snap and debs on the same gtk backend
15:44 <Sweet5hark> - would like to upload the rc2 snap to the store, but miss part of the creds for the store. if you have the account ping me.
15:44 <Sweet5hark> EOF
15:44 <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
15:45 <willcooke> I wonder if we should build a snap for the store with just, say, top 10 languages for now - would that reduce the size of the snap?  (I appreciate this will be slow and painful to rebuild the snap, but I think 700MB+ is too much) for now
15:45 <seb128> +1 for gtk3
15:46 <seb128> going for the new serie/version we can as well go for current techs
15:46 <Sweet5hark> willcooke: it would reduce the snap. but it will lead to an endless bikeshed. and the infra guys said they plan/test with 500-1500MB for now.
15:48 <Sweet5hark> seb128: yeah, gtk3 will uncover lots of cornercases in e.g. copy-paste, focus issues and somesuch. but I dont think they will disappear when we dont go for this now (its LTS+1)
15:48 <willcooke> Sweet5hark, this would be a stop gap I think until we can work out how to package langpacks as separate snaps.  So I'm happy to arbitrarily decide on those langpacks.  Perhaps we build two, one with X,Y,Z langs and a full one
15:48 <seb128> just pick the langs that are on the desktop iso?
15:48 <willcooke> Sweet5hark, let's take this one offline, after the meeting, or whatever
15:49 <Sweet5hark> willcooke: aye
15:49 <seb128> but yeah, +1 on post meeting
15:49 <willcooke> ack
15:49 <willcooke> ta
15:49 <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
15:49 <willcooke> * Started looking into submitting a pull request to extend the optical-drive snap interface to work with cdparanoia, aka add /dev/sg* support, but I noticed that the sg support is not specific to optical devices, so will need to start a discussion on the snappy-dev list about that one.
15:49 <willcooke> * Through further digging, ti seems that even when told to use /dev/sr*, cdparanoia is still not able to access it, even with the optical-drive interface in the snapcraft yaml file. Either I'm not doing something right somewhere, or I need to add something that I haven't worked out yet. Investigation ongoing.
15:49 <willcooke> * Took a bit of time to work on a few bug fixes for a11y-profile-manager, such that the indicator now hangs around when switching profiles, and other doc changes.
15:49 <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
15:50 <willcooke> 30 second time out....
15:51 <Laney> he's buried under a mountain of a4 paper
15:51 <willcooke> tkamppeter, please let me have your updates via email, or later on in the meeting...
15:51 <Laney> the printing got too much
15:51 <willcooke> :)
15:51 <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
15:51 * ogra wonders if you dotn want to drop that euro2016 anachronism from your topic at some point :)
15:51 <Trevinho> · Landing of Unity, Compiz, Bamf, ucc, libunity for yakkety and SRU.
15:51 <Trevinho> · Update bugs for SRUs
15:51 <Trevinho> · Compiz and Unity reviews
15:51 <Trevinho> · Continued work in unity8 indicators/menus
15:51 <Trevinho> · Bad week for tax payers... Done mine :°(
15:52 <willcooke> ogra, 16:34: * willcooke makes a note to change the topic once we're done :)
15:52 <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
15:52 <ogra> :)
15:52 <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
15:52 <willcooke> - General bug fixing
15:52 <willcooke> - Snap sprint prep
15:52 <willcooke> #topic AOB
15:53 <willcooke> I'm writing a 16.04.1 "blog post" thing.  If anyone has any ideas for what to talk about please ping me
15:53 <willcooke> I've got some stuff, but it's a bit bottom-of-the-barrel stuff
15:54 <willcooke> Oh, in recognition of my European cousins, I am also taking Thursday off
15:54 <seb128> :-)
15:54 <willcooke> solidarity brothers
15:54 <willcooke> Anyone got any other news, gossip, or scandal?
15:55 <willcooke> 3....
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15:55 <willcooke> 1.
15:55 <willcooke> #endmeeting