15:34 <seb128> #startmeeting
15:34 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar 31 15:34:06 2015 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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15:34 <seb128> bah, forgot we had new techs nowadays :p
15:34 <seb128> #topic attente
15:34 <attente> lol
15:34 <seb128> see http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/03/31/%23ubuntu-desktop.html log for those reading minutes ;-)
15:34 <seb128> #topic desrt
15:34 <seb128> desrt, hey
15:34 <desrt> hey.  what's up?
15:35 <desrt> not a lot to report this week in terms of bullet points, but i've been working on a big one:
15:35 <desrt> while i have the file monitor code fresh in my brain, i'm trying to slay the "periodic polling on missing files" thing
15:35 <desrt> i made some pretty good progress on that over the weekend but it's still going to be a substantial slog
15:35 <desrt> not much else to report
15:36 <seb128> desrt, did any of the backtrace/e.u.c reports I pinged you about looked concerning or as potential glib issues to you?
15:37 <seb128> desrt, I'm asking because several of those component didn't change since previous cycle and the reports started this cycle and are in glib code
15:37 <desrt> i took some time looking at those.  one of them seemed semi-legitimate and i made a patch to downgrade the assert to a warning (which i forgot to commit until just now, thanks for the reminder)
15:37 <desrt> the other two just looked like gvariant refcounting issues
15:37 <seb128> thanks
15:37 <desrt> if you can get me more information about those (cores, etc) i'd be happy to look
15:37 <desrt> but otherwise it's pretty impossible :/
15:38 <seb128> k, fair enough
15:38 <seb128> desrt, thanks
15:38 <seb128> #topic didrocks
15:38 <seb128> didrocks, hey
15:38 <didrocks> hey!
15:38 <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:
15:38 <didrocks> - spent some time triaging bug reports and testing various user's cases.
15:38 <didrocks> Systemd:
15:38 <didrocks> - did some bug triaging/investigation until Martin was back
15:38 <didrocks> - backported some upstream systemd patches for beta
15:38 <didrocks> - fixed the tmp.mount erratic behavior
15:38 <didrocks> - fix an hanging issue due to the newest way of detecting mount point for machine-commit-id and sysfs
15:38 <didrocks> - handling some feedbacks/emails/bug reports due to upstart-sysv change (third parties building images without using ubuntu-minimal, listing packages manually with *aptitude*)…
15:38 <didrocks> Misc:
15:38 <didrocks> - gave a talk at jdll during the week-end, performed there multiple installatiosn
15:38 <didrocks> - check Laney's gnome-terminal wrapper (but seems some more work is needed for full backward compatbility, even if it's already a great enhancement!)
15:38 <didrocks> - snappy doc reading + experimentations
15:38 <didrocks> .
15:39 <seb128> no nice utf8 char this week? ;-)
15:39 <larsu> ·
15:39 <didrocks> seb128: I hope Laney sent you one this time :)
15:39 <Sweet5hark1> didrocks: oh, playing with snappy too?
15:40 <larsu> seb128: '.' is utf8, too
15:40 <didrocks> Sweet5hark1: yeah (see last week report, also proposed some patches already ;))
15:40 <seb128> larsu, lol, good point ;-)
15:40 <seb128> didrocks, thanks
15:41 <Sweet5hark1> larsu: utf-8 even has multiple different . all looking alike being utf-8
15:41 <didrocks> yw!
15:41 <seb128> Laney seems not back yet, so let's move him to the end and see if he joins us, I've his summary otherwise
15:41 <seb128> #topic larsu
15:41 <seb128> larsu, hey
15:41 <larsu> hi!
15:41 <larsu> not been very productive this last week (not feeling to well)
15:42 <larsu> finished up the thin progress bar thing
15:42 <larsu> thanks Laney for backporting the patch
15:42 <larsu> mucked around with a couple of icon problems (zooming in nautilus, alt-tab and launcher in unity)
15:42 <larsu> in short: humanity is doing it wrong
15:43 <larsu> I started fixing that, but postponed to next cycle because it turned out to be a huge diff
15:43 <larsu> and just hacked it a bit by setting MaxSize on most scalable folders
15:43 <larsu> which is working nicely
15:43 <larsu> I also investigated what chpe is doing to my terminal patches
15:44 <larsu> because he's not communicating, just applying patches randomly and not marking them as committed
15:44 <larsu> and putting blocker and depends bugs up
15:44 <larsu> frustrating...
15:44 <larsu> also the usual MR and bug stuff
15:44 <seb128> :-/
15:44 <larsu> ×
15:45 <seb128> larsu, danke
15:45 <Laney> didrocks: separate issue, larsu was working on that stuff
15:45 <Laney> HI!
15:45 <seb128> hey Laney
15:45 <seb128> Laney, ready if it's your turn?
15:45 <Laney> one second
15:46 <larsu> over
15:46 <attente> terminator for default...
15:46 <Laney> <<< EOF
15:46 <Laney> my laptop failed to resume (systemd ...) so I have to get re-stated
15:46 <didrocks> attente: don't even try :p
15:46 <seb128> Laney, k, let's do qengho first then
15:47 <attente> :P
15:47 <seb128> #topic qengho
15:47 <seb128> qengho, hey
15:47 <qengho> - Done: Packaged Chromium as Snap. Verdict: Won't work for now. Needs setuid support.
15:47 <qengho> - In-progress: Getting Chromium updated in precise again.
15:47 <qengho> EOF
15:47 <Laney> ok!
15:48 <seb128> qengho, thanks
15:49 <seb128> qengho, did you give some feedback back to the snap team about chromium as snap?
15:49 <qengho> I ran it thorough jdstrand to consider implications first.
15:50 <seb128> k
15:50 <seb128> would be nice to have that feedback on some mailing list maybe
15:51 <seb128> -devel?
15:51 <qengho> Will do.
15:51 <seb128> could be useful to others
15:51 <seb128> qengho, thanks
15:51 <seb128> #topic Laney
15:51 <seb128> Laney, hey
15:51 <Laney> hi thar
15:51 <Laney> • Short week, on holidays until Friday
15:51 <Laney> • Updates: gtk glib glib-networking librsvg
15:51 <Laney> • Fix gnome-terminal wrapper to cope with non existing profiles, fwd upstream
15:51 <Laney> • Discussions about upload rights to CI train PPAs
15:51 <Laney> • Some queue reviews since we're now in freeze
15:51 <Laney> ❣
15:52 <larsu> ♥
15:52 <larsu> of course compose sequence for a heart is <3
15:52 <seb128> thanks Laney
15:54 <seb128> #topic Sweet5hark1
15:54 <seb128> Sweet5hark1, hey
15:54 <Sweet5hark1> + libreoffice_4.4.1-0ubuntu2 for vivid-proposed: FFe for breeze icons
15:54 <Sweet5hark1> + merged Steves l10n fix, added README about generated ./debian
15:54 <Sweet5hark1> + updated PPA to libreoffice_4.4.2_rc2-1 with new upstream rc
15:54 <Sweet5hark1> + got myself a booting snappy VM and looked around a bit for porting LibreOffice (aka build-dep list walking)
15:54 <Sweet5hark1> + started some GSOC student application review
15:54 <Sweet5hark1> + continued refactoring work upstream
15:54 <Sweet5hark1> EOF
15:54 <Sweet5hark1> proudly plain ASCII only today!
15:54 <seb128> Sweet5hark1, same for you, snappy feedback shared would be nice I guess
15:55 <seb128> didrocks, ^ that applies to you as well
15:55 <Sweet5hark1> seb128: sure, sure. still collecting a list of gos and no-gos.
15:56 <seb128> Sweet5hark1, thanks
15:56 <didrocks> seb128: well, I'm sending my feedback as upstream patches for now
15:56 <seb128> #topic tkamppeter
15:56 <didrocks> (which got merged)
15:57 <seb128> didrocks, k, I was speaking more about faq or useful tips, dunno if we have a wiki or something, so everybody doesn't hit the same issue when looking at their first package
15:57 <seb128> tkamppeter, there?
15:58 <seb128> seems not
15:58 <seb128> he sent me an email after the start of the meeting though, weird
15:58 <seb128> anyway, his summary
15:58 <seb128> - cups-filters: Investigations on cups-browsed crash
15:58 <seb128> - Organizational stuff for OpenPrinting Summit and Desktop Sprint
15:58 <seb128> - Bugs.
15:58 <Laney> haha
15:58 <seb128> thanks tkamppeter ;-)
15:59 <seb128> #topic seb128
15:59 <seb128> • unity-settings-daemon, wrap labels from the mount helper dialog
15:59 <seb128> • looked a bit at getting gtk2/3 out of the phone image
15:59 <seb128> • looked at whoopsie configuration not working correctly on touch
15:59 <seb128> • lot of bugs reviews (launchpad, e.u.c) before vivid
15:59 <seb128> • backported some gedit bugfixes to vivid
15:59 <seb128> • ubuntu-themes landing for Laney&larsu
15:59 <seb128> • changes to unity&nautilus for nautilus .desktop rename
15:59 <seb128> • tested/sponsored humanity-icon-theme fix from Lars for pixelized icons in unity switchter
15:59 <seb128> • tested vivid beta iso of desktop and desktop-next
15:59 <seb128> • backported qt5 fix for incorrectly themed cursor
15:59 <seb128> • u-s-s
15:59 <seb128> ∘ cleaned up the merges list
15:59 <seb128> ∘ reviewed change to make disk computation correct on arale
15:59 <seb128> ...
15:59 <seb128> #topic other topics?
16:00 <seb128> did I forget anyone? any other topic?
16:00 <didrocks> seb128: did you send the MP for the whoopsie configuration after our discussion? I didn't see the MP?
16:00 <Laney> sooooooooo do we have an xorg person atm? :)
16:00 <seb128> Laney, you?
16:00 <FJKong> hey seb128
16:00 * Laney appears to have no two finger scrolling
16:00 <seb128> oh, ups
16:00 <Laney> debug it please seb128!
16:00 <seb128> #topic FJKong
16:00 <Laney> ha
16:00 <seb128> FJKong, sorry, forgot you and happyaron
16:00 <seb128> your turn
16:00 <FJKong> not much but mine is
16:00 <FJKong> some topic on CCN meeting:
16:00 <FJKong> some new feature for next release sogou IM, Wubi and shuangpin input engine.
16:00 <FJKong> animation skin support.
16:00 <FJKong> KV database test for pinyin converting.
16:00 <FJKong> sponsor for localization with aron.
16:00 <FJKong> attend ubuntu scope training for University at Changsha.
16:01 <FJKong> EOF<
16:01 <happyaron> I'm here
16:01 <FJKong> ha
16:01 <seb128> FJKong, thanks
16:01 <seb128> #topic happyaron
16:01 <seb128> happyaron, hey
16:02 <happyaron> atteded CCN meeting with FJKong
16:02 <happyaron> bug/task updates for Ubuntu Kylin beta2
16:03 <happyaron> Sogou meetings for phone
16:03 <happyaron> fcitx default (zh_*) for Kubuntu and other flavors
16:04 <happyaron> over
16:04 <didrocks> happyaron: did you see my ping yesterday about the cangjie ibus module maintainer happy to give a hand if needed to get his lib shared with fcitx (better HK support, more up to date data apparently)?
16:04 <attente> happyaron: hey, are you going to do a new release of fcitx-qimpanel?
16:05 <happyaron> didrocks: yes, and ypwong (a16g) is maintaining libcangjie for Debian/Ubuntu, I want to talk to him to follow up with upstream together, but he's on leave today
16:05 <happyaron> attente: yes
16:05 <didrocks> happyaron: good! upstream lives 10 minutes from me, so if you need anything… ;)
16:06 <seb128> happyaron, did you hear about any work to make sogou work out of the box?
16:06 <happyaron> I just started to handle more parts in the cooperation with NUDT, so I spent some time on doing glue communications
16:06 <seb128> happyaron, I've been asked about that, which is new to me if true :-)
16:07 <happyaron> seb128: yes, and I'll write email about the result from CCN meeting
16:07 <seb128> happyaron, is that targetted for vivid?!
16:07 <happyaron> nope
16:07 <seb128> k, good
16:07 <seb128> thanks
16:07 <seb128> happyaron, can give me the zest of what is wanted?
16:08 <seb128> would that be in ubiquity like for codecs?
16:08 <happyaron> briefly, 1) inclusion in archive (restricted or partner, depends) 2) suggestion on ubiquity, like the mp3 stuff 3) possibly do some locale/timesome-specific notifications/suggestions, that recommend the user to install it when restricted/partner is enabled.
16:10 <seb128> happyaron, thanks
16:10 <seb128> #topic other topics?
16:10 <seb128> k, I don't have the summary from robert_ancell or TheMuso
16:10 <happyaron> and for more, there are some thing about pingbacks or popcon-like stuff, giving a checkbox at installation time and in privacy settings, and possibly have the checkbox checked when certain requirements is satisfied
16:11 <didrocks> seb128: I guess you missed my question for you on whoopsie/touch MP
16:11 <happyaron> (i.e. the preset settings, and users are able to opt-out/in at any time)
16:11 <seb128> didrocks, I added https://launchpadlibrarian.net/201618635/lac.debdiff to bug #1437633 and Laney suggested a rtm version on https://launchpadlibrarian.net/201678101/lxc-android-config_0.208rtm10.debdiff
16:11 <ubot5> bug 1437633 in lxc-android-config (Ubuntu) "Choosing not to report crashes and errors setting reverts" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1437633
16:11 <seb128> didrocks, no, didn't :-)
16:12 <didrocks> seb128: hum, empty .override?
16:12 <didrocks> seb128: so, it's disabled by default?
16:12 <Laney> no
16:12 <Laney> empty override means no override
16:12 <seb128> didrocks, no, the override is doing nothing
16:12 <didrocks> it is if you ship an empty .override file
16:12 <Laney> no
16:12 <didrocks> Laney: no
16:12 <Laney> NO!
16:12 <didrocks> still no :p
16:13 <Laney> the maintainer said so yesterday
16:13 <didrocks> hum
16:13 <seb128> didrocks, we discussed it yesterday, jodh confirmed it does nothing
16:13 <seb128> on this channel
16:13 <didrocks> interesting, that either changed or all the tests that we did until a couple of months were wrong
16:13 <seb128> but I didn't test to be honest
16:13 <didrocks> that's basically how we disable upstart jobs
16:13 <didrocks> ship an empty .override
16:13 <Laney> you probably put "manual" in an override file
16:13 <seb128> are you sure you didn't have a "manual" line in those?
16:13 <didrocks> Laney: no, completely empty in the tests
16:13 <seb128> hum :-/
16:14 <seb128> k, need testing then
16:14 <didrocks> yeah
16:14 <didrocks> and in that case, we would have some stuff to patch either way
16:14 <didrocks> (in some postinst script)
16:14 <seb128> didrocks, thanks for pointing it out
16:14 <seb128> didrocks, for the record, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/03/30/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t16:41
16:14 <seb128> "jodh	seb128: ogra is right - the empty override would be parsed and found to contain no stanzas, so would be a NOP"
16:15 <didrocks> seems the cookbook agrees with this
16:15 <didrocks> I wonder why we did it all wrong in multiple places
16:15 <seb128> :-/
16:15 <didrocks> I guess I know what I need to do tomorrow then :p
16:15 <seb128> maybe there is a bug in upstart
16:15 <didrocks> yeah
16:15 <seb128> and it's not acting as it should?
16:15 <Laney> woah
16:15 <didrocks> that or the tests were wrong
16:15 <Laney> i just tested, it does indeed disable it
16:15 <seb128> woah sounds like Laney tested and confirmed it's buggy :p
16:15 <didrocks> Laney: ahah, see!
16:15 <seb128> hehe
16:15 <Laney> do this: touch ~/.config/upstart/unity7.conf
16:15 <Laney> and restart session
16:15 <seb128> ok, let's wrap the meeting and continue that discussion
16:16 <didrocks> THIS MEANS: I can type and test \o/
16:16 <didrocks> not that crazy
16:16 <didrocks> yeah ;)
16:16 <seb128> thanks everyone
16:16 <didrocks> thanks
16:16 <seb128> #endmeeting