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15:33 <seb128> #topic attente_
15:33 <seb128> attente_, hey
15:34 <attente_> not much, started trying to get ibus working under mir, but having way less luck than with fcitx
15:34 <seb128> what are the issues?
15:34 <seb128> it might be worth waiting for multiple surface support to land
15:34 <seb128> in case that's part of what blocks it?
15:34 <attente_> i don't think that's the blocker for this
15:34 <attente_> because the proving server still allows multiple surfaces to appear, even though only one can get the focus
15:35 <seb128> k
15:35 <attente_> but ibus-daemon crashes as soon as i switch into the mir proving server
15:35 <seb128> urg
15:36 <seb128> do you know if it works under wayland/what is GNOME doig there?
15:36 <attente_> no idea
15:37 <attente_> going to keep looking at it this week while waiting for the fcitx reviews
15:37 <seb128> k
15:37 <seb128> might be a good idea to start to check there
15:38 <attente_> sure, thanks for the hint seb128 :)
15:38 <seb128> I'm sure unsure what our plans are for input methods under unity8 and if it's worth spending much efforts on that yet
15:38 <seb128> but thanks for looking at it/investigating ;-)
15:38 <seb128> thanks attente_
15:38 <seb128> oh, btw I just saw yesterday that your fcitx ffe got acked by Laney
15:38 <seb128> I'm trying to put a landing for that today
15:38 <attente_> cool
15:39 <seb128> ok, let's move on to the next one
15:39 <seb128> #topic desrt
15:39 <seb128> desrt, hey
15:39 <desrt> hi!
15:39 <desrt> as planned, i spent a lot of time rewriting the file monitor branch, finding bugs, fixing them, etc.  it's working now.  i just pushed that, am i am looking for reviewers :)
15:40 <desrt> that's all, really
15:41 * Laney pokes seb128
15:41 <seb128> thanks desrt
15:42 <seb128> (& Laney)
15:42 <didrocks> Laney: worked! :)
15:42 <Laney> \o/
15:42 <seb128> #topic dgadomski
15:42 <dgadomski> hey
15:42 <seb128> dgadomski, hey
15:42 <dgadomski> I'm afraid nothing from me this week
15:42 <dgadomski> thanks
15:42 <seb128> ok, no worry
15:42 <seb128> thanks dgadomski
15:43 <seb128> (still need to try to comment on your email on the desktop list to see if I can help getting the discussion going)
15:43 <seb128> #topic didrocks
15:43 <seb128> didrocks, hey
15:43 <didrocks> hey!
15:43 <didrocks> systemd:
15:43 <didrocks> * debugged and discussed issue on bug #1392637. It turned out to clash with a way deeper issue in systemd around tmpfs being randomly triggered via disabled tmp.mount. We have an idea in debian on how to workaround it and bringed that up to the upstream ML. Unfortunately, seems there is no upstream interest in that issue.
15:43 <ubot5> bug 1392637 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Cannot boot with newly installed systemd if /tmp/ is filled with files" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1392637
15:43 <didrocks> * proposed a fix for bug #1411140 in a generic manner due to overlayfs particularities. Waiting for upstream review.
15:43 <ubot5> bug 1411140 in systemd (Ubuntu) "systemd-machine-id-commit.service fails on live system" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1411140
15:43 <didrocks> * added a fix for bug #1429171 (basically checking for plymouth pid file to lower the warning level if plymouth isn't started)
15:43 <ubot5> bug 1429171 in systemd (Ubuntu) "systemd-fsckd[232]: Couldn't connect to plymouth: Connection refused" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1429171
15:43 <didrocks> * enhanced vm and vm iso scripts based on Martin's work to be able to spawn easily qemu's instance with network access and ssh forwarding (persistent and non persistent)
15:43 <didrocks> * did some NFS tests with various configurations in vms to test Martin's NFS work
15:43 <didrocks> Misc:
15:43 <didrocks> * patch piloting
15:43 <didrocks> * reviewed media-hub and telepathy-qt5 MIRs, some pending questions…
15:43 <didrocks> .
15:44 <seb128> didrocks, congrats on getting systemd switched to default
15:44 <seb128> (& to pitti as well)
15:44 <larsu> indeed!
15:44 <didrocks> well, pitti was the man :)
15:44 <seb128> you did your share
15:44 <didrocks> I just helped a little bit
15:45 <Sweet5hark> indeed, that was awesome work it seems!
15:45 <seb128> :-)
15:45 <didrocks> thanks nevertheless :)
15:45 <pitti> don't believe didrocks, he helped a lot!
15:45 * pitti hugs you all
15:45 * didrocks hugs back
15:45 <seb128> pitti, yeah, don't worry, we are not going to let him not get his share of credits ;-)
15:45 * seb128 hugs back
15:45 <Sweet5hark> grouphug!
15:45 <seb128> hehe
15:45 <seb128> ok, Laney was late but let's see if he has an update ready at least :p
15:46 <seb128> #topic Laney
15:46 <seb128> Laney, hey ;-)
15:46 <Laney> just you wait
15:46 <Laney> you're in for a treat
15:46 <Laney> • Cherrz-pick gtk2 patches to fix crash in spotifz & other stuff (related to the other cherrz-pick), then upload 2.24.27 which contains these fixes anzwaz.
15:46 <Laney> • glib 2.43.91, glib-networking 2.43.91, glib 2.42.2 (utopic), glib-networking 2.42.2 (utopic), libsoup2.4 2.49.91, gtksourceview3 3.14.3, gnome-kezring 3.15.90, evince 3.14.2
15:46 <Laney> • Trz to fix gnome-kezring's testsuite which is currentlz allowed to fail, give up (for now) after the nth fix revealed more problems
15:46 <Laney> • Some gtk3 fixes: let CSD buttons be stzled (add a class), don't show a bogus image-missing icon in OTHER GtkMessageDialogs
15:46 <Laney> • Some chats about a platform-api/indicator-location bug which was making it crash on startup everz time for unitz7 users
15:46 <Laney> • Trz to get desktop image builds working, blocking on a MIR for a UITK upload which caused a component mismatch :(
15:46 <Laney> ∘ One of the requirements is to get the testsuite working, so poke at that
15:46 <Laney> • FFe reviews etc
15:46 <Laney> ⚔
15:46 <larsu> that's funnz
15:47 <seb128> lol
15:47 <desrt> i think he's meant to say "zou're in for a treat"
15:47 <Laney> i made myself laugh at least
15:47 <Laney> and that's what really matters
15:47 <didrocks> zeah! ;)
15:47 <larsu> Lanez: zou made me laugh as well
15:47 <seb128> made me laugh as well :-)
15:48 <larsu> might be faster if people who didn't laugh speak up now
15:48 <Sweet5hark> are you making fun of ze germans and their pronounciation?!?
15:48 <seb128> thanks Laney
15:48 <desrt> Sweet5hark: making fun of laru's new keyboard
15:48 <larsu> Sweet5hark: making fun of me :/
15:48 <pitti> Laney: did you break your keyboard layout again‽
15:48 * larsu is on en_US
15:48 <desrt> Sweet5hark: he finally made the jump to US layout and he's been mixing y/z all day
15:48 <Sweet5hark> larsu: alright then ;)
15:48 <seb128> Sweet5hark, 'ow would you dare? no 'ate 'ere!
15:48 <Laney> next step dvorak
15:48 <larsu> haha
15:48 <Sweet5hark> lol
15:48 <seb128> :-)
15:49 <Sweet5hark> larsu: good choice though
15:49 <desrt> at least dvorak doesn't lead you into a false sense of familiarity
15:49 <larsu> Sweet5hark: ya, much better for programming
15:49 <seb128> ok, next is larsu, let's see if he manages to pull an update out despite the new keyboard
15:49 <seb128> #topic larsu
15:49 <seb128> larsu, hey :-)
15:49 <desrt> Sweet5hark: we just have to convince didrocks next :)
15:49 <larsu> hey!
15:49 <larsu> some bluez5 related stuff, then we decided to postpone - I guess?
15:50 <larsu> then finally got into theming again \o/
15:50 <seb128> we decided to get it ready in a ppa
15:50 <seb128> because if we decide to postpone it's not going to happen again
15:50 <didrocks> right
15:50 <seb128> and we want to be ready for next cycle start
15:50 <larsu> well, it's there to be uploaded if someone wants to
15:50 <didrocks> better to be ready in day 0 when next release open
15:50 <seb128> great
15:50 <seb128> let's do that after the meeting
15:50 <didrocks> yeah, I can give a hand if needed as well
15:51 <larsu> theming: headerbars look very unity now, save for some spacing issues that are hard to resolve: http://i.imgur.com/QxMeEmn.png
15:51 <seb128> \o/
15:51 <larsu> also some smaller issues, like white radio marks in menus under Radiance
15:51 <desrt> larsu: that looks pretty nice
15:51 <larsu> fixed prelighting the volume slider in ido
15:51 <seb128> we should do a theme landing once you are happy with your changes
15:51 <larsu> seb128: I won't be until the spacing is right
15:52 <desrt> larsu: except for the obvious unbalance... but what can you do?
15:52 <larsu> desrt: this is all css btw (except for the foreground icony part)
15:52 <larsu> which I drew (copied) myself!
15:52 <seb128> larsu, it's still better than what we currently have, so if spacing is hard maybe let's land that and iterate later?
15:52 <larsu> seb128: ya. requires gtk patches
15:52 <larsu> non-trivial ones if we want to do it right
15:52 <larsu> also, Adwaita patches..
15:52 <larsu> and every other theme
15:52 <larsu> (if we want to do it right(
15:53 <larsu> bah. ))
15:53 <seb128> good luck with that
15:53 <larsu> also had a short week and a new computer (thanks again pitti for looking into my swap issue)
15:53 <Laney> right is mighty!
15:54 <larsu> ah one more thing: lots of discussion about notifications again
15:54 <larsu> don't know if you saw that android-to-gnome-desktop bridge thing that pbor and nacho wrote
15:54 <larsu> (was on planet gnome(
15:54 <larsu> ))
15:55 <larsu> not sure if this is something we'd want as well, but they asked us about unity support
15:55 <seb128> yeah, discussed it with didrocks the other day
15:55 <larsu> also, message dialogs as fallbacks for notify-osd break rishi's gnome-terminal command-finished notification awesomeness
15:55 <seb128> do you know why they made an android app rather than using the bluetooth standard thing?
15:55 <larsu> which is why I didn't push further on that
15:56 <desrt> larsu: i read on the bug that they're pinging bash for upstream changes... how is that process going?
15:56 <larsu> seb128: something about the bt notfication profile not supporting anything really
15:56 <desrt> larsu: i have some bash upstream changes in mind myself, wrt. focus-stealing-prevention... might be nice to keep the channel open there
15:56 <larsu> desrt: in process iirc
15:56 <seb128> larsu, but yeah, having that working on Unity would be nice
15:56 <larsu> I
15:56 <larsu> I'm not talking to them, g-t maintainers are
15:57 <desrt> having bash know that pressing <enter> in VTE requires a special negotiation would be pretty cool
15:57 <larsu> anyhow - I was thinking about removing the dialog fallback in notify-osd, but mpt doesn't like that
15:57 <larsu> ... and he has arguments
15:57 <desrt> can we just convert the actions into snap decision actions?
15:58 <larsu> we don't have those on the desktop
15:58 <desrt> ah
15:58 <desrt> that's a good reason :)
15:58 <larsu> also, we do application activation differently
15:58 <larsu> well, I don't know how we do it
15:58 <larsu> or will do it, rather
15:58 <desrt> once we're on systemd, i can only assume that it will be the same again...
15:58 <larsu> sigh
15:58 <desrt> old story, that.
15:59 * larsu reminds himself to think result-oriented and is happy again
15:59 <larsu> anyway, all from me. thanks.
15:59 <seb128> thanks larsu
15:59 <seb128> #topic qengho
15:59 <seb128> qengho, hey
16:00 <qengho> Hey hey!
16:00 <qengho> - Released Cr 41. Fixes some pixel-density problems, though causes much smaller problems. Apport & autopkgtest better. Simplified build.
16:00 <qengho> - todo: Must figure out X resource DPI (ugh Gtk2) and dconf scale-factor precedence, OR some sweet spot.
16:00 <qengho> - todo: Reconsider compiling in Neon for ARM and test for capability at runtime.
16:00 <qengho> EOF
16:00 <seb128> qengho, thanks
16:01 <seb128> any news from the bugs you are trying to get info for?
16:01 <qengho> seb128: Not yet. With this version, I can add bugpatterns and start to organize reports.
16:01 <seb128> k
16:02 <seb128> thanks qengho
16:02 <seb128> #topic Sweet5hark
16:02 <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey
16:02 <Sweet5hark> - 4.4.1 in vivid now -- autopackage tests looking all good too: thanks seb128 for sponsoring
16:02 <Sweet5hark> - finished a ppc64el build of LibreOffice \o/ (not ready for vivid/main though yet)
16:02 <Sweet5hark> - bugzilla grinding through 4.4 regressions -- looks ok in general from 10000 fet
16:02 <Sweet5hark> - GSOC, leadership, Hackfest orga and other stuff upstream
16:02 <Sweet5hark> - Writer core refactoring (pitti failed to break stuff with the systemd migration, here is my attempt)
16:02 <Sweet5hark> - next week: continue refactoring, likely some more GSOC, maybe look into LibreOffice on snappy (or rather: see what we are still missing there to make it happen)
16:02 <Sweet5hark> EOF
16:02 <Sweet5hark> s/fet/feet/ that is
16:02 <seb128> Sweet5hark, thanks
16:03 <seb128> is 4.4.1 the version we plan to ship with vivid?
16:03 <Sweet5hark> seb128: well, 4.4.2 is rather late and this version looks okish already. so unless there are any emergencies ...
16:04 <seb128> k, good
16:04 <seb128> thanks Sweet5hark
16:04 <seb128> #topic tkamppeter
16:04 <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
16:04 <ricotz> Sweet5hark, hey, long lasting regressions are a real problem imho :\
16:05 <seb128> tkamppeter, not there?
16:06 <seb128> ok, let's move on and come back to tkamppeter later if he shows up
16:06 <seb128> #topic seb128
16:06 <seb128> ok, my turn
16:06 <seb128> • spent some time working on u-s-d not scaling correctly the wallpaper on hidpi, wrote a smaller testcase using gnome-desktop, got a working change but unsure if that's the correct way to fix it yet
16:06 <seb128> • filed some more bugs about the experience with the uitk&click store after getting a click published (including ssh to the device not working when gnome-keyring is used, still need to debug that)
16:06 <seb128> • looked at why the ubuntu phones are listed as type Computer over bluetooth, the class is defined in the configuration which comes from the package, unsure how to change it by device, filed a bug with some details
16:06 <seb128> • sponsoring (libreoffice)
16:06 <seb128> • ubuntus-system-setting
16:06 <seb128> ∘ looked at the "no update available" label not being correctly centered in the page
16:06 <seb128> ∘ worked on several more bluetooth issues on the phone, since I start understanding that code trying to help getting it working better
16:06 <seb128> ∘ backported a translation fix
16:06 <seb128> </week>
16:07 <seb128> ok, next
16:07 <seb128> #topic happyaron
16:07 <seb128> happyaron, hey, there?
16:07 <seb128> or not...
16:07 <seb128> #topic FJKong
16:07 <FJKong> hey
16:07 <seb128> FJKong, what about you? ;-)
16:07 <FJKong> I am here
16:07 <FJKong> * https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-settings/+bug/1413865
16:07 <FJKong> fixed, testing patch, now waiting for review
16:07 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1413865 in Ubuntu Kylin "No default setting for "When power is critically low" in Power settings" [Medium,Confirmed]
16:08 <FJKong> * got feedback form some sogou Input method: fcitx randomly 100%, spend some time debuging this problem and give him some advice
16:08 <FJKong> * developing Dash pinyin research
16:08 <FJKong> ** convert from Chinese to pinyin [done]
16:08 <FJKong> ** index Directory and save result [done]
16:08 <FJKong> * have a discuss wih attente_ about Mir and fcitx
16:08 <FJKong> EOF
16:08 <seb128> FJKong, thanks
16:08 <FJKong> :)
16:08 <seb128> oh, forgot mlankhorst?
16:08 <seb128> #topic mlankhorst
16:08 <seb128> mlankhorst, hey
16:09 <seb128> no mlankhorst?
16:09 <seb128> #topic robert_ancell
16:10 <seb128> Worked on:
16:10 <seb128> - TPM work
16:10 <seb128> - lightdm 1.13.2, 1.12.3, 1.10.5 releases
16:10 <seb128> - Test kernel fixes for Toshiba keys
16:10 <seb128> - Fix FTBFS d-feet
16:10 <seb128> Currently working on:
16:10 <seb128> - TPM debconf/ubiquity support
16:10 <seb128> - XMir handover
16:10 <seb128> #topic TheMuso
16:10 <seb128> * Examined software center related accessibility support after bug being filed, and software center appears accessible with Orca and keyboard navigation.
16:10 <seb128> * More unity accessibility work, the scope and filter options need to be made accessible as well.
16:10 <seb128> * Worked on fixing a brown paper bag bug WRT pulseaudio and flat volumes not being disabled.
16:10 <seb128> #topic other topics?
16:10 <seb128> that should be it for the updates (or did I forgot anyone?)
16:10 <seb128> do we have any other topic this week?
16:11 <tkamppeter> hi
16:11 <seb128> #topic tkamppeter
16:11 <seb128> tkamppeter, hey Till, you can post your update :-)
16:12 <tkamppeter> - Booked flights and hotel for the OpenPrinting Summit at Apple in California (I finally got my visa!!)
16:12 <tkamppeter> - Organizational stuff for the OpenPrinting Summit
16:12 <seb128> oh, congrats on the visa!
16:12 <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
16:12 <tkamppeter> Thanks
16:13 <seb128> thanks tkamppeter
16:13 <seb128> ok, on that good note I think it's a wrap for this week
16:13 <seb128> thanks everyone
16:13 <seb128> #endmeeting