15:31 <seb128> #startmeeting
15:31 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar  3 15:31:54 2015 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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15:32 <seb128> let's get started
15:32 <seb128> #topic attente
15:32 <seb128> attente_, hey
15:32 <attente_> hi
15:32 <attente_> finished porting fcitx-qimpanel to Qt 5, so fcitx should work once we have all required qtmir support
15:32 <attente_> next up: ibus investigation
15:33 <seb128> nice
15:33 <attente_> the port is proposed upstream
15:33 <seb128> did you get the fcitx u-s-d/u-c-c/indicator ffe?
15:33 <attente_> no, i'm not sure who to ping for that, the ffe is there, i just resubscribed ubuntu-release
15:34 <seb128> k, let's wait a bit, otherwise Laney might be able to help you?
15:34 <seb128> thanks attente_
15:34 <attente_> sure
15:34 <Laney> didn't see any mail about it, maybe do something to generate one
15:34 <seb128> #topic desrt
15:34 <seb128> desrt, hey
15:34 <desrt> hi
15:34 <desrt> did really a lot of cleaning up on bugs and reviewing patches in the past weeks
15:34 <desrt> rejected lots of stuff =)
15:35 <desrt> also finally did the long-requested split of dconf and dconf-editor
15:35 <desrt> made releases on both of those yesterday, along with a new glib release
15:35 <desrt> landed my mount-monitor rework branch yesterday, moving on to rebasing the filemonitor cleanup work next, hopefully can land that son
15:35 <desrt> *soon
15:36 <desrt> at the same time, looking into a11y issues -- atspi is being started even when it has no reason to be, and i want to stop that from happening
15:36 <desrt> also: i'm sick (again/still?) >:|
15:36 <desrt> the end.
15:37 <seb128> desrt, thanks, and get better!
15:37 <seb128> #topic dgadomski
15:37 <seb128> dgadomski, hey
15:37 <dgadomski> hey guys
15:38 <dgadomski> I've written to the desktop mailing list today about the nautlius mount options we discussed last week
15:38 <dgadomski> I would appreciate any hints regarding this
15:38 <seb128> dgadomski, you just sent the email today, let's wait a bit
15:38 <dgadomski> sure
15:38 <dgadomski> and that's pretty much it in the desktop are this week from me
15:38 <seb128> but I expect the topic is complex enough that we are going to need upstream involvement
15:38 <seb128> I don't see that being handled in a distro specific hack
15:39 <ogra_> why would nautilus be involved at all ?
15:39 <dgadomski> I agree, it would surely be useful for other distros as well
15:39 <ogra_> isnt it just calling udisks2 ?
15:39 <ogra_> (which doesnt allow any mount options unless you create custom udev rules)
15:40 <seb128> ogra_, they want an UI to change the options
15:40 <ogra_> right, that would mean hacking udisks2 first
15:40 <seb128> ogra_, could be in nautilus properties for the drive
15:40 <ogra_> to actually accept options
15:40 <seb128> right
15:40 <seb128> which is why I said it's not likely that we handle it on our side alone
15:40 <ogra_> yeah
15:40 <seb128> dgadomski, anything else?
15:41 <dgadomski> I was expecting it to be pretty complex
15:41 <dgadomski> seb128: no, that's it, thanks
15:41 <seb128> dgadomski, k, let's see how the list discussion goes then
15:41 <seb128> dgadomski, thanks
15:41 <seb128> #topic mlankhorst
15:41 <mlankhorst> - Adding cursor support to Xmir, works with mir_demo_server and lp:mir-team/mir/animated-cursors
15:41 <seb128> mlankhorst asked to go next
15:41 <mlankhorst> - Uploading mesa 10.5-rc2 and rc3 to archive
15:41 <mlankhorst> - Remotely debugging root cause of https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90741
15:41 <ubot5> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 90741 in Video(DRI - non Intel) "Radeon: System pauses on TAHITI" [Normal,New]
15:41 <mlankhorst> - Getting Xmir in shape for the mwc demo with tons of last minute fixes!
15:41 <seb128> mlankhorst, great work there!
15:41 <mlankhorst> - Leaving for intel, last day is thursday 26th :)
15:42 <mlankhorst> ty :)
15:42 <seb128> mlankhorst, it was nice to have you in the team! Good luck at Intel, have fun there :-)
15:42 <mlankhorst> thanks
15:42 <mlankhorst> it was a blast :)
15:42 <ogra_> teach them that mir is ood :)
15:42 <didrocks> good luck with your new adventure mlankhorst :)
15:42 <ogra_> *good ... sih
15:43 <ogra_> *sigh even
15:43 <seb128> ogra_, nice typo :-)
15:43 <ogra_> haha
15:43 <larsu> ogra_: I read it as 'odd'
15:43 <ogra_> i need a new kbd :)
15:43 <mlankhorst> will doo
15:43 <Laney> oh bye!
15:44 <mlankhorst> bb
15:44 <Laney> that's both people who started at the same time as me ...
15:44 <seb128> Laney, don't be next!
15:44 <seb128> mlankhorst, thanks
15:44 <seb128> #topic didrocks
15:44 <seb128> didrocks, hey :-)
15:45 <didrocks> oh, I was ready to complain about being forgotten :)
15:45 <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:
15:45 <didrocks> - did some bug triaging and minor enhancements based on users' feedback
15:45 <didrocks> Systemd:
15:45 <didrocks> - patched and uploaded all ubuntu flavors plymouth themes to be compatible with progress report and cancellation of systemd-fsckd (gnome ubuntu, ubuntu MATE, kubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu, edubuntu, ubuntu studio). We have different kind of themes (no unified versions :/) btw…
15:45 <didrocks> - patched 2 of the default plymouth themes (one script and one C plugin) and posted that to the upstream mailing list. Waiting on feedback
15:45 <didrocks> - some debian discussions about… plymouth and fsckd!
15:45 <didrocks> - worked on autopkgtests for fsckd as well, commited now. It brings some new best practices to have autopkgtests tests with multiple reboots inside the tests themselves (and still using unittests python frameworks. Ensure that even if we kill fsck or any systemd/plymouth process, we can still boot successfully.
15:45 <didrocks> Misc:
15:45 <didrocks> - sponsoring and archive admin duties
15:45 <didrocks> .
15:47 <seb128> didrocks, sorry, mlankhorst asked if he could go next
15:47 <didrocks> no worry ;)
15:47 <seb128> didrocks, thanks
15:47 <didrocks> yw
15:47 <seb128> #topic Laney
15:48 <seb128> Laney, hey
15:48 <Laney> LEAVE FOR INTEL HAHAHA
15:48 <Laney> erm
15:48 <Laney> • Release: wrangle beta 1 (block, unblocks, freeze, ISO wrangling, some sponsoring), some FFe reviews, get pinged by IS about low space on the image building machine - clear some stuff out
15:48 <Laney> • Patch pilot
15:48 <Laney> • DMB: finish election, try to poke on outstanding issues, some packageset poking
15:48 <Laney> • Some gst components got 1.4.5, update those
15:48 <Laney> • Integrate the wrapper into gnome-terminal packaging, upload to desktop PPA, plz to test
15:48 <Laney> • Review & then cherry-pick a fix from Kylin guys to file-roller
15:48 <Laney> • Find out that gdk-pixbuf broke introspection ABI, revert commit, try to look at adding an (alias) annotation to g-i, get stuck & park that for now
15:48 <Laney> • Revert python2.7 commit which broke python-gobject-2 (old static bindings)
15:48 <Laney> • Updates: librsvg, glib2.0 (in progress)
15:48 <Laney> • Attempt some debugging of systemd not powering off machine issue, not much progress (LP: #1427672)
15:48 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1427672 in systemd (Ubuntu) "System doesn't power off when shutting down" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1427672
15:48 <Laney> ♒
15:48 <larsu> Laney: thanks for the terminal wrapper!
15:48 <desrt> Laney: does that mean we actually have two gnome-terminal wrappers now? :)
15:49 <larsu> what's the other one?`
15:49 <Laney> haha
15:49 <Laney> I noticed some gnome-terminal.wrap thing
15:49 <desrt> the one for matching the commandline args of x-terminal-emulator
15:49 <didrocks> Laney: on the not powering down, you don't have squid install on your machine by any chance?
15:49 * larsu is amazed
15:49 <seb128> didrocks, I don't and I have the issue still
15:49 <Laney> it's like pass the parcel
15:49 <Laney> didrocks: doubt it
15:49 <desrt> Laney: fwiw, there is some request upstream to prefer x-terminal-emulator before gnome-terminal on debian systems....
15:49 <didrocks> for me, that really "fixed" it
15:50 <desrt> Laney: i said that if debian wants to do that patch then they should do it, but we won't change the behaviour upstream (since it's very distro-specific)
15:50 <Laney> prefer where?
15:50 <seb128> didrocks, was that an issue in the squid unit?
15:50 <desrt> Laney: when launching desktop files that have RunInTerminal=true (or whatever it is)
15:50 <desrt> from GIO
15:50 <Laney> oh right, yeah, whatever
15:50 <Laney> might want to do that I guess
15:50 <didrocks> seb128: the init script, yeah, I need to now debug and fix it, but there are more urgent things
15:50 <desrt> that's sort of my attitude about it as well :)
15:50 <seb128> didrocks, k, maybe other scripts have similar bugs...
15:50 <desrt> debian alternatives are a bit crap imho
15:51 <larsu> desrt: gio hard-codes gnome-terminal?
15:51 <Laney> how does this thing work now?
15:51 <desrt> it has a list of terminals that it tries in order
15:51 <didrocks> seb128: can be… will keep you posted
15:51 <seb128> didrocks, thanks
15:51 <larsu> desrt: madness..
15:51 <desrt> https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/tree/gio/gdesktopappinfo.c#n2473
15:51 <Laney> it's annoying having to remember to shut the computer down in a special way every day :-)
15:52 <desrt> the request was to put x-terminal-emulator at the top of this list, as it naturally represents the user's preferred choice
15:52 <desrt> ignore that this is only true if user == admin, on a one-user system...
15:52 <larsu> desrt: don't we have some xdg-XXX thing for that?
15:52 <desrt> nope
15:52 <larsu> maybe we ought to
15:52 <desrt> it's been the topic of speculation that we could make some weird terminal URI scheme
15:52 <desrt> and then shoehorn that into our weird URI scheme pseduo-mimetypes
15:52 <seb128> larsu, desrt, Laney, that discussion seems like something you can continue after the meeting if you want
15:53 <desrt> seb128: indeed
15:53 <larsu> indeed
15:53 <seb128> Laney, thanks
15:53 <seb128> #topic larsu
15:53 <seb128> larsu, your turn then :-)
15:53 <larsu> hey
15:53 <larsu> lots of discussion about headerbars, traditional menubars, etc
15:53 <larsu> looked at some patches for gnome apps
15:53 <larsu> (didn't like what I saw in general)
15:54 <desrt> larsu: you should probably just skip that topic update.  we already know it happens every week ;)
15:54 <Laney> "Headerbars."
15:54 <larsu> right
15:54 <larsu> so... bluetooth!
15:54 <desrt> fresh blood...
15:54 <larsu> turns out we don't like the new ui and changing it subtly doesn't really work (needs more design thinking)
15:55 <larsu> so I imported a gnome-bluetooth version that does what we want into u-c-c
15:55 <larsu> uploaded the branch today
15:55 <larsu> it's hacky, I hate it, but it works
15:55 <larsu> (did I mention I hate it?)
15:55 <didrocks> "but it works" :)
15:55 <desrt> larsu: thanks for working on bluetooth :)
15:55 <larsu> indeed
15:55 <larsu> desrt: meh
15:55 <desrt> bluetooth is freaking awesome
15:55 <seb128> it works which is the important bit :-)
15:55 <larsu> desrt: would rather take some time doing it right
15:55 <larsu> seb128: indeed :)
15:55 <desrt> more people would use it if we gave our UIs for it a bit more love...
15:56 <larsu> lastly, I ported gnome-terminal to use GMenuModel for its menubar
15:56 <didrocks> as desrt is a bluetooth freak, would be nice to have you testing some config with our ppa if possible :)
15:56 <larsu> which means (a) it doesn't need unity-gtk-module anymore
15:56 <didrocks> I guess you are the one here using bluetooth a lot compared to us
15:56 <larsu> (b) we can get rid of that pesky "show menubar" option
15:56 <desrt> i mostly just use it for going online with my phone
15:57 <desrt> larsu: gnome-terminal has a menubar? ;)
15:57 <larsu> it's not going to land in 3.16 (too big of a patch)
15:57 <larsu> desrt: :P
15:57 <desrt> larsu: is chpe playing nice?
15:57 <larsu> we should think about backporting it
15:57 <larsu> desrt: no.
15:57 <larsu> no surprise there
15:57 <desrt> too bad...
15:57 <larsu> ya...
15:58 <larsu> anyway, like I said, we could backport. Not sure if it is worth it
15:58 <seb128> larsu, didrocks, let me know when the new u-c-c is in a ppa for testing, I can try it
15:59 <larsu> sure
15:59 <seb128> thanks
15:59 <larsu> I also started hacking on headerbars
15:59 <larsu> (again)
15:59 <larsu> making the buttons look like our window controls
15:59 <seb128> ah, nice
15:59 <larsu> making good progress - just a few details to iron out
15:59 <seb128> great
15:59 <desrt> are we talking theme refresh?  we should be talking theme refresh....
15:59 <larsu> I'm drawing the backgrounds with gtk css
15:59 <Laney> theme refresh is on the cards for 15.10
16:00 <larsu> which means they're very slightly different looking
16:00 <Laney> last I heard
16:00 <larsu> but I think that's ok
16:00 <desrt> Laney: good...
16:00 <larsu> and: we don't need to copy all of those pngs to yet another place
16:00 <desrt> larsu: might want to get hooked into whoever is driving that
16:00 <seb128> larsu, slightly different is ok I think, we are not going to have perfect consistancy anyway
16:00 <larsu> seb128: I agree. And those are quite some .pngs (all buttons times all states)
16:00 <seb128> right
16:00 <desrt> in addition to getting sneak-peek at the new resources, maybe you could help drive the process in a way that makes consistency with headerbar apps a bit nicer
16:00 <larsu> and we get nice transitions now, but I haven't added those yet
16:01 <larsu> desrt: driving what?
16:01 <desrt> the next-cycle theme refresh
16:01 <desrt> ie: make sure they're aware of the constraints for headerbars and produce something that will be compatible with them
16:01 <larsu> yeah that makes sense
16:01 <larsu> I don't know who'll be doing that
16:02 <larsu> anyway, </larsu>
16:02 <seb128> larsu, thanks
16:02 <seb128> #topic qengho
16:02 <seb128> qengho, hey
16:03 <seb128> no qengho?
16:04 <seb128> k, next then
16:04 <seb128> #topic Sweet5hark
16:04 <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey
16:04 <Sweet5hark> heya
16:04 <Sweet5hark> - slow week
16:04 <Sweet5hark> - got LibreOffice to build on arm64
16:04 <Sweet5hark> -- needs MIRs though (at least for coinmp, possibly also for libetonyek), so not for vivid anymore
16:04 <Sweet5hark> - working on getting LibreOffice to build on ppc64el
16:04 <Sweet5hark> -- got pretty far, same: some patches, possibly some MIRs, thus shouldnt be slammed into vivid unless there an urgent need
16:04 <Sweet5hark> - various upstream tidbits: some event orga, some budget foo etc.
16:04 <Sweet5hark> - some bug tracker grind
16:04 <Sweet5hark> - 4.4.1 in the PPA looks good, will finalize it for vivid-proposed this week
16:04 <Sweet5hark> EOF
16:04 <qengho> I'm here!
16:05 <seb128> Sweet5hark, slow but steady? ;-)
16:05 <seb128> Sweet5hark, I guess you saw the email from doko?
16:05 <Sweet5hark> qengho: shh, i stole your slot in the cookie queue ...;)
16:05 <seb128> about builders use for arm64&co?
16:05 <Sweet5hark> seb128: yesh
16:05 <seb128> k
16:05 <seb128> would be nice to reply
16:05 <flexiondotorg> Laney, Do you have a sec/
16:05 <flexiondotorg> ?
16:05 <seb128> (or did you talk to him out of the email?
16:05 <seb128> flexiondotorg, we are in a meeting
16:06 <flexiondotorg> ack
16:06 <Sweet5hark> seb128: it started out with "just one try" and then when down in a civilization game "just one more turn fashion" :/
16:06 <seb128> hehe, I know the feeling :-)
16:07 <seb128> Sweet5hark, thanks
16:07 <seb128> let's go back to qengho then
16:07 <Sweet5hark> seb128: anyway: using a porterbox now
16:07 <seb128> Sweet5hark, great
16:07 <seb128> #topic qengho
16:07 <qengho> - looking into reason GPU-threads in chromium lag long enough that the internal heartbeat monitor thinks they're dead. Extended the time for now. Added apport info so we can collate bug reports better. (Also fixed an apport bug that has made Py3 never work for some..)
16:07 <qengho> - releasing Cr 40.0.2214.115 tomorrow.
16:07 <qengho> EOF
16:07 <seb128> qengho, thanks
16:07 <seb128> let's see what comes out of those changes, that bug is annoying for sure
16:08 <seb128> #topic tkamppeter
16:08 <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
16:09 <seb128> no tkamppeter I guess
16:09 <seb128> #topic happyaron
16:09 <seb128> happyaron, not sure if you are around?
16:10 <happyaron> yes
16:10 <seb128> happyaron, your turn then :-)
16:11 <happyaron> last week I worked on some arm64 cross compile stuff for NUDT project as well as the sogou project
16:11 <happyaron> mostly about setting up cross toolchains, helping them producing related packages
16:11 <happyaron> </>
16:12 <happyaron> over, :)
16:12 <seb128> happyaron, thanks
16:13 <seb128> #topic FJKong
16:13 <seb128> FJKong, hey, around?
16:13 <tkamppeter> hi
16:15 <seb128> no FJKong I guess?
16:15 <seb128> back to tkamppeter then
16:15 <seb128> #topic tkamppeter
16:15 <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
16:15 <FJKong> seb128: coming..
16:15 <tkamppeter> Mainly bug work, releasec cups-filters 1.0.66 with a security fix.
16:16 <tkamppeter> Got Google's result for GSoC participation, this year Google did not accept the Linux Foundation, after so many years where my application got accepted.
16:16 <tkamppeter> Also some organizational work for the OpenPrinting Summit.
16:16 <seb128> tkamppeter, :-( for the linux foundation GSoC
16:17 <larsu> mozilla also didn't get accepted this year
16:17 <larsu> I wonder if they changed some of the rules?
16:18 <tkamppeter> Perhaps there are many more orgs applying than in the previous years?
16:18 <seb128> do they want to encourage new/small projects maybe, rather than fund projects backed up by quite some funding?
16:18 <larsu> might be
16:18 <seb128> anyway
16:18 <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks
16:18 <seb128> #topic FJKong
16:18 <seb128> FJKong, ok, your turn :-)
16:19 <FJKong> hey seb128 not much to update this time
16:19 <tkamppeter> It is not a high loss for me, usually for OpenPrinting there come up only one or two students anyway, for LSB or kernel it is worse.
16:20 <seb128> tkamppeter, k
16:20 <seb128> FJKong, k, maybe next week then :-)
16:20 <seb128> #topic seb128
16:20 <seb128> then my turn
16:20 <seb128> • looked at non translated gallery strings, was due to an outdated template, submitted update
16:20 <seb128> • SRUed libpwquality translation fixes to trusty and utopic
16:20 <seb128> • nautilus bugfix SRU to trusty
16:20 <seb128> • spent quite some time to play with the ubuntu-touch dev experience (from installing the toolkit to write and publish an application), things are mostly working nicely, hit a few annoying issues on the way though (most due to specifics in my setup like ecryptfs use), reported some bugs against the documentation and tools
16:20 <seb128> • reported some phone issues (gvariant warnings, store details issues, here map not showing info where it should, ...) and providing debug info
16:20 <seb128> • ubuntus-system-setting
16:20 <seb128> ∘ bluetooth, debugged car-pairing issue, figured out the problem and discussed a solution with cyphermox, tested/confirmed the fix
16:20 <seb128> ∘ bluetooth, fixed a segfault issue
16:20 <seb128> • usual share of desktop related bugs triages and discussions
16:20 <seb128> </week>
16:21 <Sweet5hark> FWIW, LibreOffice won a GSOC spot again this year.
16:22 <seb128> #topic other topics
16:22 <seb128> do we have any other topic this week?
16:22 <seb128> (or did I forget anyone?)
16:24 <seb128> k, seems not
16:24 <seb128> thanks everyone
16:24 <didrocks> thanks guys!
16:24 <seb128> #endmeeting