15:33 <seb128> #startmeeting
15:33 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec  9 15:33:33 2014 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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15:33 <Laney> with a #
15:33 <seb128> Laney, thanks
15:33 <seb128> hope everybody is doing fine
15:34 <seb128> let's get started then
15:34 <seb128> alphabetic order nowadays?
15:34 <seb128> #topic attente_
15:34 <seb128> attente_, hey, there?
15:34 <attente_> yep
15:34 <seb128> zengho, nice try, but you are not getting away with it ;-)
15:34 <attente_> fix for menus not working after the first opening
15:34 <attente_> fix for the cursor not changing after activating a menu
15:34 <attente_> hack for making top level windows appear in their own mir surface
15:34 <attente_> eof
15:34 <seb128> those are mir items right?
15:35 <attente_> yeah
15:35 <attente_> gdk-mir items
15:35 <seb128> are those fixes landing on stable/lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gtk/ubuntugtk3?
15:35 <seb128> would be nice to get that in the archive with the new gtk
15:35 <attente_> this is on wip/mir2 on the gnome repo
15:36 <seb128> k
15:36 <seb128> could that be easily backported on our current wip package?
15:36 <attente_> probably
15:36 <seb128> I see that robert_ancell backported some mir work there already
15:36 <seb128> k, would be nice if you could look at that
15:36 <seb128> or work with larsu/laney to have that included in the new gtk upload
15:37 <seb128> thanks!
15:37 <seb128> #topic didrocks
15:37 <seb128> didrocks, hey :-)
15:38 <didrocks> seb128: isn't desrt before I in alphabetical order?
15:38 <seb128> shrug
15:38 <didrocks> I can still update though ;)
15:38 <seb128> #topic desrt
15:38 <seb128> desrt, up to you it seems
15:38 * willcooke -> back.  Sorry for being late.
15:39 <seb128> hey willcooke
15:39 <seb128> ok, no desrt...
15:39 <seb128> #topic didrocks
15:39 <seb128> didrocks, really to you this time?
15:39 <didrocks> seb128: long time no talk :)
15:39 <seb128> :-)
15:39 <didrocks> Ubuntu developer desktop:
15:39 <didrocks> * We have a new name: Ubuntu Make! Handling the transitions (config + packaging + code + projects + documentation) and blogging about it. Still ship compatible binaries under the old packaging name.
15:39 <didrocks> * Fix for Android Studio 1.0 release
15:39 <didrocks> * Had to drop eclipse ADT support as android developers tools team don't deliver bundles anymore with it (since Android Studio 1.0) as not under active development
15:39 <didrocks> Bluez:
15:39 <didrocks> * Got the kde-compatible packages into the ppa
15:39 <didrocks> * Finished transitions investigation. Missing piece is the indicator before calling for testing. Pending Robert on it.
15:39 <didrocks> Systemd:
15:39 <didrocks> * Work on xdiagnose (completely broken for at least 2 years and half in ubuntu). Did some minimal fixes and working under systemd now!
15:39 <didrocks> * Add autopkg tests for display managers
15:40 <didrocks> * New fixes on the display-manager part. Dropped some more fixes (and thus reintroduces regressions) in debian as considered as too risky. We won't be impacted in vivid as we'll move all DM to systemd.
15:40 <didrocks> * Continue upstream discussion on how to handle default jobs enablement, alias, packaging purge/removal. Seems that upstream now agrees with our original fixes! We'll sum it all up to ensure everyone is in agreement before working on this.
15:40 <didrocks> EOF
15:40 <larsu> thata dude is on a roll
15:40 <larsu> *that
15:40 <didrocks> larsu: going to s/fix/break/ systemd debian packaging! :)
15:40 <larsu> :)
15:40 <seb128> didrocks, pointer to the summary for the systemd enablement would be welcome, once you have an online archive of the email or something
15:41 <didrocks> seb128: yeah, you really want a summary I guess :)
15:41 <seb128> indeed ;-)
15:41 <Laney> such a manager
15:41 <didrocks> (I guess the thread is more than 50 emails)
15:41 <seb128> didrocks, thanks!
15:41 <didrocks> yw
15:41 <seb128> willcooke, want to take the meeting from there or should I just keep going?
15:41 * Sweet5hark sneaks in and seats in the back row ...
15:41 <willcooke> I can take it
15:41 <seb128> thanks
15:42 <seb128> it's yours then ;-à
15:42 * desrt is here (sorry)
15:42 <seb128> ;-)
15:42 <willcooke> #topic desrt
15:42 <willcooke> seb128,  can you #chair me?
15:42 <desrt> not much to report this week.
15:42 <larsu> willcooke: I think seb128 has to talk to the bot, no?
15:42 * happyaron is here
15:42 * desrt waits
15:43 * larsu hands desrt a cup of tea
15:43 <desrt> larsu: thx :D
15:43 * Sweet5hark provides coookies
15:43 <desrt> now THIS is a meeting!
15:43 <seb128> willcooke, #chair?
15:43 <seb128> #chair willcooke
15:43 <meetingology> Current chairs: seb128 willcooke
15:43 <seb128> sorry, new to the bot business ;-)
15:43 <seb128> willcooke, there you go, try topic again?
15:43 <willcooke> #topic desrt
15:44 <desrt> HI!
15:44 <willcooke> \o/
15:44 <desrt> so it's been a kdbus week mostly
15:44 <desrt> had a pretty good meeting about that yesterday -- we ended up changing the wire format of version 2 dbus quite a bit.... things are looking a lot better now
15:44 <desrt> working with the kernel guys a bit about some fixes and features we need
15:44 <desrt> and the implementation in glib is coming along nicely now
15:45 <desrt> unfortunately it looks like a lot of the work that samsung did is not great....
15:45 <desrt> and with kdbus changing so much (as it is still doing) probably most of it needs redoing anyway :(
15:45 <larsu> desrt: will we get a simpler kernel interface?
15:45 <desrt> larsu: yes
15:45 <larsu> nice.
15:45 <desrt> the entire "payload" is now a properly-formed GVariant
15:45 <desrt> so no need to unwrap another layer of header in a weird format
15:46 <desrt> uh... also did some glib patch reviewing and mir feature chasing
15:46 <desrt> that's about all
15:46 <willcooke> thanks desrt
15:47 <willcooke> #topic FJKong
15:47 <willcooke> FJKong, is out, but I have his update:
15:47 <willcooke> continue pinyin search need more research on matching
15:47 <willcooke> bug tracing ：switch to en and cant input punctuation
15:47 <willcooke> after delete skin it should turn on default skin
15:47 <willcooke> take one day off
15:48 <willcooke> #topic happyaron
15:48 <willcooke> happyaron, how's it going :)
15:49 <willcooke> I thought I saw a message from him in the backlog, but I think I was wrong
15:49 <Laney> 09/12 15:42:40  * happyaron is here
15:49 <larsu> 7 minutes is a long time on irc
15:49 <happyaron> back
15:49 <willcooke> ah, I'm not going mad
15:49 <willcooke> :)
15:49 <mlankhorst> ohai
15:50 <happyaron> in the past week, I helped to produced arm64 version of sogoupinyin
15:50 <happyaron> build the RPM version (yes RPM)
15:50 <willcooke> :)
15:51 <happyaron> and re-visited all the stuff in fcitx MIR, and will talk to didrocks later this week
15:51 <happyaron> updated ibus solving 1240198
15:51 <happyaron> checked compatibility problems of fcitx-qimpanel/sogou-qimpanel
15:52 <happyaron> over
15:52 <willcooke> thanks happyaron
15:52 <willcooke> #topic Laney
15:52 <willcooke> Laney, what goes?
15:52 <Laney> these things:
15:52 <Laney> • v short week, on hols last week
15:52 <Laney> • Worked on a script to provide .desktop files for those renamed in GNOME 3.14, had some fun fighting with make for that.
15:52 <Laney> • systemd-timedated stopped supplying invalidated_properties with its PropertiesChanged signal, breaking u-s-s - fix that.
15:52 <Laney> • Notice that it now uses systemd-timesyncd.service for managing ntp synchronisation, but the shim didn't support this new name, so filed a PR to add it.
15:52 <Laney> • Merged vim (noticed seb128 had already handled the icon issue after starting) & just saw that it FTBFS :(
15:52 <Laney> ☢
15:53 <willcooke> vim.
15:53 <larsu> Laney: provide .desktop files with NoDisplay?
15:53 <seb128> Laney, my upload ftbfs or your merge?
15:54 <Laney> mine, dunno about yours
15:54 <Laney> larsu: ya, I'll share the script in a bit
15:54 <seb128> mine built/is in vivid it seems
15:54 <larsu> cool
15:54 <Laney> vim has some mad testsuite
15:54 <Laney> seems like it's going to be fun
15:55 <willcooke> for certain values of fun
15:55 <willcooke> thanks Laney
15:55 <willcooke> #topic larsu
15:55 <willcooke> larsu, lay it on us
15:55 <larsu> hey. Looked into the icon thing. Wrote a couple of patches
15:56 <larsu> lots of discussion on how to tackle this
15:56 <larsu> matthias is still not happy with the approach (understandibly)
15:56 <larsu> I dislike that gtk broke this without a clear way of fixing this, but meh
15:57 <seb128> can we revert to unblock meanwhile?
15:57 <larsu> also finally wrote a g_dbus_object_path_escape() - we use that in some indicators and ted told me he wrote a couple of copies himself
15:57 <seb128> revert the commit I mean, or use your simple change that makes it not spec compliant but compatible?
15:57 <desrt> larsu: how's the dbus spec patch going? :)
15:57 <larsu> desrt is reviewing that and will take it if we put the escaping scheme into the spec
15:57 <larsu> (see above ;) )
15:58 <desrt> larsu: after bouncing back and forth a couple of times i think the patch is fine (once you fix the docs issues)
15:58 <desrt> but ya... please update the dbus spec :)
15:58 <larsu> looked into g-s-m transparent bg and .titlebar/.header-bar issues but postponed because the gtk update is more important
15:58 <larsu> desrt: docs issues are fixed
15:58 <larsu> seb128: I think taking my patches as is would be easier
15:59 <larsu> I think that's it. Wasn't on 100% due to having a cold
15:59 <larsu> (feeling slightly better today)
15:59 <willcooke> thanks larsu
15:59 <willcooke> glad you're on the mend
15:59 <seb128> larsu, k
16:00 <willcooke> #topic mlankhorst
16:00 <mlankhorst> 1. getting Xmir running on the phone, runs with -sw, 2. working on enabling egl 2d-acceleration on the phone (WIP, partially works now with some corruption because I messed up the copy proc). 3. preparing lts-utopic for trusty, 4. verifying sru's.
16:00 <willcooke> maximum efficiency
16:00 <willcooke> :)
16:00 <willcooke> thanks mlankhorst - nice job with xmir
16:01 <mlankhorst> np :)
16:01 <willcooke> we'll have some cool new things to show off once I fix my U8 machine
16:01 <qengho> Really nice.
16:01 <mlankhorst> glamor still only works partially
16:01 <willcooke> #topic qengho
16:01 <qengho> Just one item.
16:01 <qengho> in-progress: merging intel's chromium patches for wayland, after last week's ozone/mir breakage. Boooooring.
16:02 <willcooke> qengho, did you see my message from earlier?  Everything is working fine wrt/ status bubbles today :/
16:02 <qengho> willcooke: I saw. Ugh.
16:02 <willcooke> sorry about that
16:02 * willcooke is making a habit of wild goose chases
16:02 <willcooke> #topic seb128
16:03 <qengho> Well, this wild goose exists, so it must be chased.
16:03 <seb128> • helped debugging a systemd regression related to firmwares loading
16:03 <seb128> • looked a bit to shotwell/uoa segfault issues, bounced to mardy who
16:03 <seb128> fixed it, tested/confirmed the fix and looked at SRUing it
16:03 <seb128> • set up ubuntu-settings override for unity8 usage mode (windowed for
16:03 <seb128> desktop), needs unity8 code changes to land to be doing something
16:03 <seb128> visible though
16:03 <seb128> • tested unity8/desktop-next with systemd init, ran into some issues,
16:03 <seb128> reported those
16:03 <seb128> • backported vim change for icon issues with the new gtk
16:03 <seb128> • ubuntu-system-settings for touch
16:03 <seb128> ∘ reviews for others
16:03 <seb128> • some sponsoring
16:03 <seb128> • usual share of desktop related bugs triages and discussions
16:03 <seb128> 
16:03 <seb128> I've official on vac wed/thursday, then working friday and off until next year
16:04 <willcooke> have a great break seb128, thanks for all your help this year
16:04 <seb128> I'm probably going to be around tomorrow and thursday though
16:04 <Laney> nice break!
16:04 <seb128> I registered those days but sort of swapped hours out of them
16:04 <seb128> then really off on friday
16:04 <seb128> thanks ;-)
16:04 <seb128> if anyone needs me please ping in the next days
16:04 <seb128> Laney, if you want to take on landing new gtk that would be welcome
16:05 <seb128> it's getting late, I doubt I'm going to be able to do that before holidays
16:05 <larsu> Laney, seb128: let's take my patches as they are now. They'll solve the problem without scaling icons for out default font size
16:06 <larsu> I'm pretty sure that the general approach of choosing the icon based on font size is correct
16:06 <seb128> k, let's discuss that after the meeting (or tomorrow)
16:06 <larsu> ok
16:06 <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
16:06 <willcooke> Sweet5hark, you here?  If not I have updates...
16:06 <Sweet5hark> slow week:
16:06 <Sweet5hark> - build 4.2.8~rc2/trusty for PPA
16:06 <Sweet5hark> - some SRU babysitting still
16:06 <Sweet5hark> - desaster (work machine managed to lose its superblock on the encrypted drive)
16:06 <Sweet5hark> - recovery & backups foo
16:06 <Sweet5hark> - waiting for 4.3.5~rc2 for PPA this week
16:06 <Sweet5hark> - upstream: write moar unittests, refactorings for C++11
16:06 <Sweet5hark> - the usual leadership and direction upstream
16:06 <Sweet5hark> - also somewhat quarantained: someone put some huge warehouse of computer junk on fire next to the harbor, its been burning for two days and the east of Hamburg is under "keep windows and doors locked"-orders because of toxic fumes. That messed up plans a bit.
16:06 <Sweet5hark> EOF
16:06 <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
16:07 <willcooke> gotta love those backups
16:07 <Sweet5hark> aye
16:07 <willcooke> Hamburg has it's own version of the Springfield Tyre Yard now then :)
16:08 <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
16:08 <willcooke> * Further work with Debian on Pulse 5.99 packaging, pulling a few useful patches from upstream.
16:08 <willcooke> * Uploaded some new revisions of pulse 6 RC to the transitions PPA. We now have webrtc in main, so we now build the pulseaudio module to support it.
16:08 <willcooke> * Spent time trying to track down an issue I am experiencing in Vivid where when I switch workspaces, the keyboard focus doesn't move to the newly focused workspace/window. Haven't checked or filed a bug about this yet, will chase up later, as its not a show stopper atm.
16:08 <willcooke> * I am on leave from Wednesday the 10th, until January 5th. Happy holidays all, and a happy new year.
16:08 <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
16:09 <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
16:09 <willcooke> Worked on:
16:09 <willcooke> - GNOME 3.14 updates
16:09 <willcooke> - Released Unity Greeter 15.04.2
16:09 <willcooke> - LightDM SRU verification
16:09 <willcooke> - TPM support
16:09 <willcooke> - Reviewed merge proposals, bug fixes
16:09 <willcooke> Currently working on:
16:09 <willcooke> - TPM support
16:09 <willcooke> - Bluez 5 support
16:10 <willcooke> #topic Any other business
16:10 <willcooke> Anyone got anything?
16:10 <willcooke> I see that Snappy has just been announced :)  So I'm going to read about that if we're done?
16:10 <willcooke> #endmeeting