15:31 <willcooke> #startmeeting Ubuntu Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2014-11-04
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15:31 <willcooke> #chair willcooke
15:31 <meetingology> Current chairs: willcooke
15:31 <willcooke> Roll call:
15:31 <willcooke> attente_, desrt, didrocks, FJKong (probably afk), happyaron (probably afk), Laney, larsu, mlankhorst, qengho, seb128, sweetshark, tkamppeter (maybe afk)
15:31 * willcooke should write a very simple script to replace himself
15:32 <larsu> echo "meeting time"
15:32 <willcooke> lol!
15:32 <willcooke> #topic attente_
15:32 <willcooke> attente_, how goes it?
15:32 <FJKong> lol
15:33 <attente_> hey
15:33 <attente_> not much to report
15:33 <attente_> basic cursor support on the gdk mir backend
15:33 <attente_> in-progress: window dragging
15:33 <larsu> neat
15:33 <willcooke> nice!
15:33 <attente_> (eof)
15:34 <willcooke> thanks attente_
15:34 <willcooke> #topic desrt
15:34 <mlankhorst> hey
15:35 <larsu> desrt just brb'd in another channel. not sure if he remembered the dst change
15:35 <willcooke> thanks larsu, desrt let's come back
15:35 <willcooke> #topic didrocks
15:35 <willcooke> didrocks - you're up
15:35 <didrocks> hey
15:35 <didrocks> * Releasing Ubuntu Developer Tools Center 0.1 with Eclipse ADT & Eclipse luna support (blog post) on vivid + 14.04 and 14.10
15:35 <didrocks> * Releasing another 0.1.1 emergency fix today due to Google changing their checksum algorithm + new tests
15:35 <didrocks> * Implementing (not released yet): Go support + tests
15:35 <didrocks> * Helping debugging and pushing Qtcreator support on the vivid desktop next image (pending on the qtmir guys now)
15:35 <didrocks> * Preparing 2 UOS topics: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22331/ubuntu-developer-tools-community-input/ and http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22332/update-to-bluez-5/
15:35 <didrocks> * More bluez and systemd documentation reading
15:35 <didrocks> * Preparing a talk on 10 years of Ubuntu I will give on Thursday evening
15:35 <didrocks> eof
15:36 <willcooke> thanks didrocks
15:36 <willcooke> #topic FJKong
15:36 <willcooke> FJKong, how's it going?
15:36 <FJKong> Last week I mainly focus on analyzing pinyin search, I found there are one useful opensource project it is written by
15:36 <FJKong> python, if we can fork it and develop a c/c++ version that will be cool for translating Chinese character to pinyin.
15:37 <willcooke> neat!  that sounds interesting
15:37 <FJKong> next week I will give more info to you
15:37 <willcooke> excellent, look forward to it
15:37 <willcooke> thanks djinni`
15:37 <willcooke> oops FJKong
15:37 <FJKong> lol
15:37 <willcooke> MUST STOP AUTO COMPLETE EVERY SINGLE WORD
15:38 <willcooke> #topic happyaron
15:38 <willcooke> probably not around atm though
15:38 <willcooke> happyaron, please let me have your update by email
15:38 <willcooke> (hint hint)
15:38 <willcooke> #topic Laney
15:38 <willcooke> Laney, your go
15:38 <Laney> • short week
15:38 <Laney> • webkitgtk 2.4.7 merge, test, upload to vivid/utopic/trusty
15:38 <Laney> • miniupnpc transition
15:38 <Laney> • merge gtk (in desktop team ppa), test
15:38 <Laney> ∘ Some new icons required (copied from adwaita-icon-theme into humanity, uploaded)
15:38 <Laney> ∘ Unwanted borders around some buttons
15:38 <Laney> ∘ No background on checkboxes or radio buttons
15:38 <Laney> ∘ Please could someone who can promote fonts-cantarell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-cantarell/+bug/1387599 so it can build
15:38 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1387599 in fonts-cantarell (Ubuntu) "[MIR] fonts-cantarell" [Undecided,Fix committed]
15:38 <Laney> • Review/upload gdcm, todo: push transition
15:38 <Laney> • Push some other transitions: libinput libgit2, some tiny helping on upower
15:38 <Laney> • Some de-/usr/bin/libtool uploads or branches: libaccounts-glib libunity-webapps libdbusmenu
15:39 <Laney> • Start looking at gnome-terminal 3.12
15:39 <Laney> • A few Debian merges, patch forwarding, etc
15:39 <Laney> ➳
15:39 <didrocks> Laney: I'll promote fonts-cantarell now if you want
15:39 <Laney> ty
15:39 <willcooke> thanks Laney
15:39 <willcooke> #topic larsu
15:39 <willcooke> larsu, your go
15:40 <larsu> vacation!
15:40 <willcooke> \o/
15:40 <larsu> caught up on bugmail etc
15:40 * qengho tries to envy larsu to death.
15:40 <larsu> finsihed up gtk package (thanks for the upload Laney)
15:40 <Laney> only to the ppa
15:40 <Laney> but ya
15:41 <larsu> started fixing bugs - still on the i-messages one
15:41 <larsu> started reviewing desrt's xmlmarkupreader branch - again
15:41 <larsu> Laney: ya
15:41 * larsu thinks that should be it
15:41 <willcooke> thanks larsu
15:41 <willcooke> #topic mlankhorst
15:41 <mlankhorst> xorg-server updates, looking into using a standalone Xmir binary instead of using Xorg, fixing rotation with intel + SNA
15:41 <mlankhorst> pretty much it, rotation was high priority
15:42 <willcooke> thanks mlankhorst
15:42 <willcooke> mlankhorst, I spoke to bregma who suggested we speak to RAOF about rootless X
15:42 <mlankhorst> yeah
15:42 <willcooke> I'll drop him a line and CC you in - see what there is we can help with
15:43 <mlankhorst> but I haven't managed to contact him
15:43 <mlankhorst> seems he's having some network troubles
15:43 <willcooke> I think he's UTC+1million
15:43 <mlankhorst> yeah he's in australia
15:43 <willcooke> email will do for now, leave it with me
15:43 <willcooke> #topic qengho
15:44 <qengho> Hey hey.
15:44 <willcooke> qengho, any luck with that pp api uplaod?
15:44 <qengho> - trying to get precise building chromium. #security will release for T+ without it.
15:44 <qengho> - trying to get adobe-flash into partner repo.
15:44 <qengho> - working on transition from older flash packages.
15:44 <qengho> - 4k/unity/chromium bug; webapps PPAPI missing bug; intel-video drm/chromium-sandbox SEGV bug
15:44 <qengho> willcooke: Not yet. I know who to ask, though.
15:44 <willcooke> great!
15:45 <willcooke> thanks qengho
15:45 <willcooke> #topic seb128
15:45 <willcooke> seb128, you're up
15:45 <seb128> • upgraded to vivid (main laptop and test one)
15:45 <seb128> • tried to debug unity8-desktop not starting anymore with new unity8 version
15:45 <seb128> • helped on the miniupnp transition
15:45 <seb128> • some gtk-mir testing
15:45 <seb128> • sponsored gtk patches from desrt for gtkpopup issue under classic desktops
15:45 <seb128> • desktop merges/sync/updates (libsexy, telepathy-gabble, rhythmbox, ...)
15:45 <seb128> • ubuntu-system-settings for touch
15:45 <seb128> ∘ introductory labels/header better styled
15:45 <seb128> ∘ monochrome icon for the battery panel
15:45 <seb128> ∘ correct ini parsing in storage
15:45 <seb128> ∘ reviews
15:45 <seb128> • got details about bt issues on krillin to file a bugreport
15:45 <seb128> • some sponsoring
15:45 <seb128> • usual share of bugs triaging and desktop discussions
15:45 <seb128> </week>
15:45 <willcooke> awesome, thanks seb128
15:46 <willcooke> #topic Sweetshark
15:46 <willcooke> Sweetshark, your go
15:46 <Sweetshark> not much:
15:46 <Sweetshark> - security updates and SRUs for utopic, trusty and precise
15:46 <Sweetshark> - urgent upstream firefighting (enough calls for one cycle last week :/)
15:46 <Sweetshark> EOF
15:46 <willcooke> oof, hope things ease off next week
15:46 <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
15:46 <willcooke> tkamppeter told me he might not be here, so I have his update:
15:47 <willcooke> - system-config-printer: Uploaded SRU for Utopic to fix several bugs:
15:47 <willcooke> Utility package installation, infinite loop of link creation when a PPD
15:47 <willcooke> has bad permissions, authentication of queued jobs not working, setup of
15:47 <willcooke> HP printers with fax not working.
15:47 <willcooke> - Switchover of OpenPrinting web site to new server
15:47 <willcooke> - Bugs.
15:47 <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
15:47 <willcooke> Worked on:
15:47 <willcooke> - Package updates for vivid
15:47 <willcooke> - Add DPI support to gdk-pixbuf / simple-scan
15:47 <willcooke> - Add Mapbox support to qtlocation
15:47 <willcooke> - Bug triage, fixing
15:47 <willcooke> Currently working on:
15:47 <willcooke> - Package updates for vivid
15:47 <willcooke> - TPM key support
15:47 <willcooke> Not blocked on anything.
15:47 <willcooke> #topic any other business
15:47 <willcooke> Ok
15:47 <desrt> hi
15:48 <willcooke> #topic desrt
15:48 <willcooke> desrt, hi!
15:48 <willcooke> paste away...
15:48 <desrt> - underwent a DST change
15:48 <desrt> - helped attente get started with mir-gtk hacking
15:48 <desrt> - kdbus reviews and discussions
15:48 <desrt> - fixing threading issues in glib file monitoring (GFileMonitor was never written to be threadsafe but a change in 2009 made the API multithreaded.  we start to notice problems with this now that GDesktopAppInfo uses file monitors from the GLib worker thread)
15:48 <desrt> eof
15:48 <willcooke> excellent, thanks desrt
15:48 <willcooke> #topic more other business
15:48 <seb128> desrt, who is doing gtk-mir now?
15:49 <larsu> apparently attente_...
15:49 <desrt> seb128: it looks like attente_ will be leading the efforts but i'm helping as well
15:49 <seb128> larsu, like all the work?
15:49 <seb128> or just helping?
15:49 <seb128> bug #1388875
15:49 <ubot5> bug 1388875 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "[gtk-mir-backend] Clicking seems to confuse GTK (or the shell)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1388875
15:49 <seb128> would would be the right person to look at ^?
15:49 <attente_> leading?
15:49 <desrt> seb128: i think attente is a good point of first contact
15:49 <willcooke> I mailed robert_ancell about that this morning as well
15:49 <seb128> k
15:49 <seb128> that's a bit confusing
15:50 <desrt> attente_: if stuff gets really hairy feel free to ping me or larsu or robert_ancell as people who know gtk insides...
15:50 <seb128> good that we have the weekly meeting, I tried to chase robert_ancell about that one, assuming he was still the one working on the backend
15:50 <larsu> desrt: you have one job: don't confuse seb128!
15:50 <attente_> ok
15:51 <seb128> anyway, let's not get off topic
15:51 <desrt> i meet with attente about once a week at the art gallery for a co-working afternoon -- we tend to discuss gtk stuff at this time
15:51 <seb128> willcooke, sorry for sidetracking the meeting ;-)
15:51 <willcooke> so we're agreed - attente_ will be first point of contact, and then we can go from there?
15:51 <seb128> wfm
15:51 <willcooke> seb128, no worries - it's "other business" ;)
15:51 <willcooke> attente_, happy with that?
15:51 <willcooke> you'll have plenty of support
15:52 <seb128> I'm a bit surprised it comes as a "made decision" without having being discussed there before
15:52 <seb128> but wfm
15:52 <willcooke> what's the relationship between the Gnome Xchat work and the gtk mir work?
15:52 <attente_> sure, trying it now
15:52 <desrt> willcooke: we're using various gtk apps as a way to drive the gtk-mir work
15:53 <desrt> ie: run it, play with it, see what breaks
15:53 <willcooke> right, makes sense
15:53 <desrt> "oh.. this doesn't work.... i wonder what we need to fix to make it work..."
15:53 <willcooke> seb128, happy with that?
15:53 <desrt> so i mean.. ultimately the goal is to have gtk-mir working nicely... but we express this goal by using apps as milestones
15:53 <willcooke> seems like a good way to exercise all the various bits and pieces
15:53 <seb128> desrt, right, but until now robert_ancell was the goto point for such issues
15:53 <seb128> which apparently change, good as long as everybody know
15:53 <desrt> seb128: i have to admit i didn't discuss this much with him but i don't think he touched the code in a while either....
15:54 <seb128> it's a bit frustrating that I tried to get robert when he's not the one working on that anymore
15:54 * qengho expects a few "oh, this should ever have worked in old gtk either."
15:54 <qengho> Never
15:54 <desrt> qengho: ya... xchat needed some patches already :)
15:54 <seb128> I hope I didn't confuse him with my emails either
15:54 <willcooke> seb128, don't worry - I'll square it with him
15:54 <seb128> desrt, I think it would be good that we all sync up on who does what
15:54 <desrt> seb128: iirc we (you, me, will cooke) exchanged some emails on this topic...
15:54 <seb128> we seems to are misaligned atm
15:55 <seb128> desrt, about making xchat-gnome work on Mir?
15:55 <seb128> not about changing contact point for gtk-mir backend work
15:55 <seb128> anyway, let's just all sync up
15:55 <seb128> there is no issue
15:55 <seb128> just confusion
15:55 <desrt> k
15:55 * willcooke will send an email to everyone involved
15:56 <seb128> willcooke, thanks
15:56 <willcooke> I'll report back here so everyone knows what the score is
15:56 <willcooke> ok, so to other business...
15:56 <willcooke> next week (!!!) is UOS
15:57 <willcooke> we need to get some sessions scheduled
15:57 <willcooke> I'm thinking of this:
15:57 <willcooke> 1.  How do we support flavours in the move to Mir
15:57 <willcooke> 2.  How do we work with Firefox to support them in our move to Mir
15:58 <willcooke> 3.  System Image updates on the desktop - how & why
15:58 <qengho> mlankhorst: May I have your advice on this bug report? See the two videos in description. https://bugs.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/+bug/1383667
15:58 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1383667 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "UHD 4k Resolution Unity DE bug window in Chrome(mium) and Steam" [Undecided,Incomplete]
15:58 <willcooke> STEAMROLLER!
15:58 <willcooke> 4.  clicks & debs on the desktop.  They will need to live side by side I think.  So, how & why.
15:59 <willcooke> I know didrocks has a session of UDTC
15:59 <willcooke> what else should we have a session on?
15:59 <willcooke> Please let me know asap
15:59 <willcooke> either here or by email
15:59 <willcooke> and I'll get them scheduled
15:59 <didrocks> willcooke: I have another session on bluez, if we still want to do it this cycle
15:59 <willcooke> didrocks, great!  Yes - I'd still like to see if we can land that
16:01 <willcooke> everyone OK with that?
16:01 * willcooke accepts silence as acceptance and willingness to chair a session.
16:01 <seb128> some of those sessions don't seem that useful
16:01 <desrt> flavours-move-to-mir for example...
16:02 <seb128> like "firefox to mir" is not something we are likely to resolve in a UOS session
16:02 <desrt> seems like the sort of discussion that everyone will stay away from in droves...
16:02 <seb128> especially with nobody maintaining firefox on our side
16:02 <seb128> bluez seems like a JDI
16:02 <didrocks> seb128: we need synchronization with KDE and other flavors on bluez
16:02 <seb128> cyphermox said he would do the merge, and everything else is just syncing with debian/patching
16:02 <didrocks> and we need to sync with cyphermox & co, their team didn't answer to emails yet
16:02 <seb128> didrocks, that sort of already happened over 2 cycles on -devel and launchpad bugs report, Debian finished the migration
16:03 <seb128> k
16:03 <didrocks> but if you have info from all of them, including 3rd party, that's great :)
16:03 <cyphermox> what emails?
16:03 <seb128> didrocks, I discussed it with cyphermox in Washington
16:03 <cyphermox> bluez still needs a new pulse first, and that's not released yet
16:03 <seb128> didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1162781 has some details as well
16:03 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1162781 in bluez (Ubuntu) "bluez package out of date, 5.3 is available" [Wishlist,Triaged]
16:03 <didrocks> seb128: seems we need a plan for action still, to at least have the knowledge of everyone and not forgetting any flavors
16:03 <cyphermox> otherwise we break HSP -- hangouts with bluetooth headsets ;)
16:04 <didrocks> do you know if kde is happy to move to it this cycle?
16:04 <cyphermox> as far as I know they expect it just as much as we do
16:04 <didrocks> cyphermox: but better that said publically than implied, right?
16:04 <cyphermox> qt 5.4 adds more bluez5 support, and we don't have that yet either
16:04 <didrocks> and in advance, which was the goal of UDS sessions AFAIK
16:05 <seb128> didrocks, I think they are, Debian finished that migration
16:05 <didrocks> seb128: ok, if you want to do the migration without the session, be my guest :)
16:05 <willcooke> sounds like we have at least one good session :)
16:05 <seb128> feel free to have a session
16:05 <seb128> I guess it doesn't hurt
16:05 <willcooke> better to be explicit than implicit
16:05 <seb128> yeah
16:05 <didrocks> at least, not having anyone telling "I didn't know"
16:05 <didrocks> right, which is the point
16:05 <cyphermox> yup
16:06 <didrocks> cyphermox: I'll subscribe you to the session
16:06 <cyphermox> didrocks: thanks
16:06 <cyphermox> make me required ;)
16:06 <didrocks> cyphermox: will do :)
16:07 <willcooke> so I need some more ideas for sessions then - we should have some "route to 16.04" discussions, which I think the system image updates and debs/clicks session are appropriate for, right?
16:07 <willcooke> but the other two are more tricky
16:07 <willcooke> so a couple more useful session ideas by email would be very helpful.
16:08 <willcooke> right - last call for any other business..... going in 10,
16:08 <willcooke> 5
16:08 <desrt> 0
16:08 <willcooke> gone
16:08 <willcooke> #endmeeting