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10:01:36 <head_victim> Evening all
10:01:50 <sagaci> hi all and welcome to the February meeting for ubuntu-au
10:01:55 <sagaci> agenda -- http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/316/detail/
10:02:19 <sagaci> please say hi or something similar to register your attendance with the meeting bot
10:02:23 <jaddi27> hello
10:02:30 <jellyware> evening
10:02:48 <dns53> hi
10:03:14 <sagaci> #chair head_victim jaddi27
10:03:14 <meetingology> Current chairs: head_victim jaddi27 sagaci
10:04:17 <head_victim> Gday caryb
10:04:38 <caryb> Hi folks
10:04:43 <head_victim> We're just starting
10:05:22 <Bodman456> Hey all
10:05:30 <sagaci> hi Bodman456
10:06:16 <sagaci> #topic Ubuntu Global Jam Events --head_victim
10:06:59 <head_victim> Good evening all, I just thought I'd take the opportunity to highlight the events already organised and try to drum up anymore events that could occur
10:07:39 <head_victim> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-au/1500/detail/
10:07:45 <head_victim> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-au/1463/detail/
10:07:53 <jaddi27> I have just set a time for the Wiki Jam, and am in the process of making a l.u.c event
10:07:54 <head_victim> are the 2 events so far registered, both by sagaci - nice work
10:08:02 <head_victim> jaddi27: ah good stuff
10:08:06 <jaddi27> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/JamsForPrecise
10:08:49 <head_victim> I know packaging and bug jamming have been popular ideas in the past. But these do require someone who does have a fair bit of experience in the areas
10:10:07 <sagaci> I'd like to see a few local events happen... I'm the better part of 300km from anything major so its a bit of a dwell to single-handed organise an event like this in a small town, especially when jams lend themselves to requiring decent internet access
10:10:42 <sagaci> and participants to have pre-knowledge on ubuntu-ish things
10:10:53 <head_victim> Maybe if someone has any decent LUG contacts it might be worth doing an integrated event.
10:11:10 <caryb> Our install fest was a great sucess
10:11:15 <Bodman456> Indeed
10:11:59 <head_victim> Yeah I wish we could time our inbetween release get togethers around UGJ but the timing is a little off everytime.
10:12:19 <Bodman456> :/
10:12:47 <head_victim> LUGs generally have monthyl or fortnightly meetings though so may be able to organise something together.
10:12:55 <caryb> we used to meet in brisneyland 4 times a year 2 x releases & 2 x in between
10:13:18 <head_victim> If organisers can please remember to ping me a week or so out and then a day or so out I'll try to make sure we can twee/dent it as well to get some more exposure.
10:13:22 <Bodman456> I would love to have quad-monthly meets
10:13:22 <caryb> just social meetings
10:13:40 <Bodman456> Sounds good
10:14:36 <sagaci> I'd also like to see some kind of event happen in Melbourne/VIC or SA
10:15:09 <Bodman456> Just off-topic quickly - is there a LUG for Brisbane/QLD?
10:15:16 <sagaci> humbug
10:15:22 <dns53> is there anyone here from sa that wants to do something?
10:15:25 <head_victim> Bodman456: yes, HUMBUG and I've invited them to every event we've ever had.
10:15:52 <Bodman456> TYVM sagaci and head_victim
10:15:53 <caryb> we could have a wake for Kubuntu :(
10:16:21 <head_victim> caryb: hah I doubt much will really change for Kubuntu tbh, the dev they've had on it has only been part time for the last while anyway.
10:16:43 <head_victim> Ok, sounds good for a next topic, not sure who's it is
10:16:49 <sagaci> mine
10:16:50 <dns53> i had heard that there where 4 gnome devs and 2 kde devs (that was a few years ago)
10:17:03 <sagaci> #topic LoCo Self Health Check -- sagaci
10:17:23 <head_victim> sagaci: is there a guide for performing a self health check available online anywhere?
10:17:31 <sagaci> probably
10:17:41 <sagaci> a wild guess...
10:17:58 <sagaci> it's more of a thing of just discussing where we can go better at this stage
10:18:59 <sagaci> head_victim: is there anything on the wiki that needs TODO?
10:19:24 <head_victim> I think we are starting to do the online events well
10:19:32 <head_victim> Just need a better offline presence.
10:20:32 <head_victim> I think we do the global jams well online, we participate in classroom activites and we hold regular meetings.
10:20:33 <jaddi27> I think that the loco team has definitely improved over the past year
10:20:53 <sagaci> I think that is mainly remedied with events, such as your release parties and social events/workshops
10:21:18 <sagaci> but at this stage it is mostly NSW/QLD
10:21:31 <head_victim> sagaci: yep, we just need people around the place to organise them. It's well and good for one or two locations to do it we just need to foster the ability to do it around the country.
10:21:40 <sagaci> well actually, all... when it comes to offline events
10:22:44 <head_victim> Even if they're only social, that's not really an issue. It's about connecting people with similar interests. Once you get a group of people together with similar interests the workshoppy type things come easier because you have a group of functioning people
10:23:45 <Bodman456> And then they often bring in others
10:23:45 <caryb> so true
10:23:59 <Bodman456> slowly, but surely, growing the group
10:24:35 <head_victim> So I think even if all people try to do is ensure release parties are held in as many places as possible that is a good start.
10:24:39 <Bodman456> Until you've got this large group of people, all connected by a common interest
10:25:00 <Bodman456> head_victim: Public places are  agood place to hold events
10:25:18 <jellyware> have we moved to the last agenda item?
10:25:19 <head_victim> Release parties aren't that hard to organise really. Picking the time and location are the trickiest bit, the rest just happens.
10:25:34 <jaddi27> jellyware, not quite yet
10:25:47 <head_victim> jellyware: sort of, we're discussing the self health check and I was just trying to suggest some ways we could improve as a loco.
10:26:20 <head_victim> Was there any sort of socialising amongst the team at the most recent LCA?
10:27:30 <dns53> there was no open day which cut out the normal booth but i did meet someone from the loco in person
10:28:24 <head_victim> dns53: good start. I think these are the sorts of events we can grow the numbers with.
10:28:26 <dns53> who went to lca?
10:28:40 <sagaci> dns53: monday-wednesday
10:30:15 <sagaci> head_victim: I'm thinking that the minutes of these meetings could be sent to the ML
10:30:30 <head_victim> The only other thing I'm thinking of is that our documentation is still a bit slow
10:30:38 <head_victim> Although using loco.u.c that should be easier.
10:30:40 <jaddi27> sagaci, I think we did it in the past a couple of times, and is a good idea
10:30:52 <head_victim> sagaci: the social ones or the online ones?
10:31:16 <sagaci> these monthly IRC ubuntu-au meetings
10:31:52 <head_victim> sagaci: I guess it can't hurt. I know we post a link to the ML for them to check if they want it, it's not like it will be a war and peace length.
10:32:06 <sagaci> yeah, a link is fine
10:32:29 <Bodman456> should we action it?
10:32:34 <head_victim> sagaci: it is on the to do list ;)
10:32:52 <head_victim> Bodman456: usually the meeting chairs organise that, we're actualyl more struggling for team reporters at the moment.
10:32:53 <sagaci> never thought of it until now
10:33:17 <Bodman456> head_victim: team reporters?
10:33:25 <sagaci> say who did what, etc. through the month
10:33:25 <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings/ToDoList is the role of the chairpeople
10:33:41 <sagaci> a back page blurb so others know what we're up to in a nutshell
10:33:41 <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/TeamReports/ToDoList is the role of the team reporters
10:33:55 <head_victim> sagaci: yep, sounds like a plan.
10:34:37 <sagaci> #action sagaci and jaddi27 to email ML with monthly meeting minutes
10:34:37 * meetingology sagaci and jaddi27 to email ML with monthly meeting minutes
10:34:50 <jaddi27> I accept that action
10:35:12 <head_victim> The team reporters should also be emailing the ML with a summary of the month's events.
10:35:18 <head_victim> To keep people up to date
10:35:38 <Bodman456> sounds good
10:35:41 <jaddi27> The Facebook events have gone back to the old creation method, so I will get them done quicker from now on hopefully
10:36:02 <head_victim> jaddi27: nice work with them btw, it makes a large audience know about it quickly.
10:36:49 <head_victim> sagaci: are you happy to keep rolling along with team reports as well or would you like some further assistance, benonsoftware and somethinginteres appear to be a bit awol in that regard.
10:37:12 <sagaci> yeah, I don't mind but it would be good to help
10:37:27 <sagaci> somethingintres wrote a great Sept/Oct? report
10:37:43 <head_victim> #action head_victim to put a call out for more volunteers to help with team reporting
10:37:43 * meetingology head_victim to put a call out for more volunteers to help with team reporting
10:37:50 <head_victim> sagaci: yeah but it's Feb ;)
10:38:01 <Bodman456> I'd be happy to help with the Twitter account as well
10:38:09 <head_victim> Team reports are one of the things the loco council look for along with loco.u.c events to show a summary of what has been achieved
10:38:16 <sagaci> yeah, I'm just saying that every report should be like that
10:38:28 <Bodman456> If someone could teach me how to do them, I'd be happy to help
10:38:31 <head_victim> sagaci: ahh ok, maybe link it as an example on the todo list page
10:38:51 <head_victim> Bodman456: perfect, between sagaci and I we should be able to get you sorted for team reports
10:39:09 <sagaci> Bodman456: just bullet point the main things that happen in the month
10:39:18 <Bodman456> Ah, ok :)
10:39:27 <head_victim> Ok, so is that a fairly comprehensive self health check, anyone have questions?
10:39:51 <sagaci> not really, just need to go through with all these ideas
10:40:08 <head_victim> sagaci: yep, talk is good, actions are great.
10:40:40 <sagaci> #topic Precise Pangolin Release Parties -- head_victim
10:40:54 <head_victim> And that brings us to the next topic nicely.
10:41:12 <head_victim> The talk on the ML has drifted a bit lately, we should be finalising these by the next team meeting would be the goal.
10:41:28 <head_victim> Hopefully we can aim for 5+ locations this release, 10 would be awesome.
10:42:01 <head_victim> I think people get a bit put off with the lack of response or the idea that you need to have 20 people there to make it worthwhile.
10:42:17 <sagaci> nah, 5 people is fine
10:42:23 <Bodman456> There has been some talk about the Brisbane RP, caryb suggested a location, can't remember what it was though
10:42:39 <head_victim> sagaci: 5 people is good, it means you can connect with everyone there easily.
10:42:53 <Bodman456> I like having a small group at the start of the day
10:43:01 <Bodman456> makes socialising a lot easier
10:43:23 <Bodman456> oops, beaten to it by head_victim
10:43:30 <sagaci> release parties should be finalised by the next meeting  (11th March) so they can sit around on l.u.c for people to find
10:43:54 <Bodman456> Sounds good
10:44:04 <head_victim> If anyone is thinking of organising one but isn't sure what to expect or how to do it. make sure you ask for a hand, there are multiple people around who have done these in the past that can help out.
10:44:17 <Bodman456> I'm going to start looking at potential locations for the Brisbane one later
10:44:38 <Bodman456> I've got plenty of free time on my hands
10:45:14 <head_victim> Bodman456: the problem we've had in the past is that most of the popular venues are 18+. If you can find a nice cafe that is large enough to have 10 - 20 people rock up without problems with tables we can sit at that would be great. The only other issue is close to public transport.
10:45:26 <Bodman456> Indeed
10:45:30 <head_victim> Maybe a coffee club or something might be an idea.
10:45:53 <head_victim> wifi is really a non issue when it comes to release parties so don't stress about that.
10:46:30 <Bodman456> that repos. setup you had at the 11.10 release party was nifty
10:46:42 <jaddi27> were there any cafes around Brisbane Square? You would be able to use the Library wifi then if needed
10:47:29 <head_victim> jaddi27: the library wifi is only available to library members so not a huge benefit. But for social events, wifi is not really needed.
10:47:57 <jaddi27> yes, that is true
10:48:31 <head_victim> Besides, caryb usually has enough phones and dongles on him for a small village ;)(
10:48:36 <Bodman456> xD
10:48:47 <caryb> lol
10:49:04 <Bodman456> And my parents call me addicted to tech, LOL
10:49:59 <caryb> Kedron Pk hotel because of it's proximity to public transport
10:50:30 <head_victim> caryb: can minors go in to eat without their parents there (just thinking of Bodman456 being able to attend)
10:50:50 <head_victim> Not sure what bistro rules are these days.
10:50:51 <jaddi27> What date does precise come out?
10:51:07 <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
10:51:19 <head_victim> 26th of April apparently.
10:51:36 <Bodman456> jaddi27: 26th April
10:51:37 <head_victim> That's quite late in the month actually.
10:51:39 <caryb> thats why breaky creek is good because we can go to the restaraunt instead
10:51:40 <Bodman456> DAMNIT
10:51:45 <Bodman456> again, beaten to it
10:51:53 <caryb> Oh yeah I have a blue card ;)
10:52:05 <head_victim> caryb: yeah apparently that was hard to get to via public transport though
10:52:19 <head_victim> Maybe a large licensed cafe near a shopping centre?
10:52:21 <Bodman456> caryb: blue card?
10:52:22 <caryb> thats why kedron pk
10:52:27 <caryb> hehehehe
10:52:45 <Bodman456> What about Pancake Manor?
10:52:46 <head_victim> caryb: I'll call them during the week to see if they allow minors.
10:52:46 <jaddi27> Bodman456, blue cards are required to work with children in qld
10:52:54 <Bodman456> Ah
10:52:57 <head_victim> Bodman456: there was limited support for that venue :/
10:53:02 <jaddi27> I need to get one now as well
10:53:06 <Bodman456> Hmm
10:53:20 <caryb> http://www.ccypcg.qld.gov.au/index.aspx
10:54:26 <head_victim> Cool, well is that all we have for the whole loco? We can discuss specific locations after the meeting still but not sure it needs to be in the logs
10:54:35 <caryb> problem with pancake manor is it's so busy they don't like long meetings there
10:55:05 <Bodman456> Hmm
10:55:32 <Bodman456> What about one of their other locations like Mt Gravatt or Ipswich (out in the middle of nowhere though)
10:56:39 <Bodman456> Pancake Manor might be good for potential social gatherings though
10:56:48 <jaddi27> Mt Gravatt is easy to get to - next to a major busway station
10:56:57 <jaddi27> ipswich is a bit harder
10:57:18 <jaddi27> head_victim, I think that is all for the meeting. The rest can continue after
10:57:20 <head_victim> Kedron park hotel might be worth a go, the main problem is getting a number of attendees together
10:57:45 <Bodman456> I've got a Go Card, so I'm happy to catch a bus/train to get there
10:58:10 <head_victim> Bodman456: I just need to make sure you don't need your parents there to get in.
10:58:16 <Bodman456> Ok
10:58:49 <caryb> all jokes aside with parental permission the blue card protects the group
10:59:09 <head_victim> caryb: yeah, but some places require parents present, not just permissive.
10:59:35 <Bodman456> If KP hotel doesn't allow minors, we could always go to Brekky Creek Hotel
11:00:24 <head_victim> I'm thinking it shouldn't be a problem in the restaurant part I just want to confirm.
11:00:46 <head_victim> sagaci, jaddi27 anything else to add or shall we endmeeting and continue the location conversations?
11:00:58 <sagaci> #endmeeting