#title #ubuntu-au: Ubuntu-AU October IRC Meeting Meeting started by sagaci at 10:01:33 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2011/ubuntu-au.2011-10-09-10.01.log.html . == Meeting summary == *Roll Call *Release Party Updates ''ACTION:'' sagaci to write review/reflection of Sydney release event (sagaci, 10:09:43) *Roadmap for Ubuntu-AU/Ubuntu 12.04 LTS ''LINK:'' https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-cd-localization (jaddi27, 10:24:29) ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects#Translation (ikt, 10:24:50) ''ACTION:'' t-shirt order/design/feasibility to mailing list (sagaci, 10:31:57) *Facebook group upgrade -- jaddi27 ''LINK:'' http://www.facebook.com/help/?page=18966 (jaddi27, 10:34:16) ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/ContactUs is a list of what accounts we have and who admins them (head_victim, 10:39:08) ''LINK:'' http://www.facebook.com/ubuntulinux (jaddi27, 10:43:15) ''ACTION:'' jaddi27 to update the facebook group per vote (sagaci, 10:47:51) *Ubuntu-AU status updates -- head_victim and sagaci *Monthly meeting time - daylight savings change? ''ACTION:'' meeting time change - defer to the mailing list to account for people that couldn't come to this meeting (sagaci, 10:54:36) Meeting ended at 11:00:11 UTC. == Votes == * Should jaddi27 update the Facebook group? For: 6 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 == Action items == * sagaci to write review/reflection of Sydney release event * t-shirt order/design/feasibility to mailing list * jaddi27 to update the facebook group per vote * meeting time change - defer to the mailing list to account for people that couldn't come to this meeting == Action items, by person == * jaddi27 ** jaddi27 to update the facebook group per vote * sagaci ** sagaci to write review/reflection of Sydney release event * **UNASSIGNED** ** t-shirt order/design/feasibility to mailing list ** meeting time change - defer to the mailing list to account for people that couldn't come to this meeting == People present (lines said) == * sagaci (65) * head_victim (64) * jaddi27 (55) * xannen (35) * ikt (28) * meetingology (20) * birchb (11) * Jarthur121 (6) == Full Log == 10:01:33 #startmeeting Ubuntu-AU October IRC Meeting 10:01:33 Meeting started Sun Oct 9 10:01:33 2011 UTC. The chair is sagaci. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. 10:01:33 10:01:33 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 10:01:39 birchb: definitely worth a try. We currently don't have any pressed CDs to give away but I could post some business cards or something if that would help. 10:01:43 #topic Roll Call 10:01:48 o/ 10:01:50 hello 10:01:51 o\ 10:02:02 hello 10:02:14 to all those who are new, say hello to make sure your attendance is registered 10:02:20 birchb: we should be getting some pressed CDs after the release of 11.10 though 10:02:43 hi xannen 10:02:50 Would it be OK to ask for a gold coin to cover the cost of the spot? 10:02:51 hi sagaci and friends <3 10:03:30 birchb: as long as you're covering costs I don't see a problem but I'll definitely ask the powers that be for guidance on the issue. 10:03:36 anyone else around? 10:03:37 I'll shut up now. Need Melbournites though. 10:03:39 Evening xannen 10:04:08 birchb: tis ok, might be somethign worth bringing to the mailing list as well, there's a LOT more people on that than in here. 10:04:09 anyone still playing diablo 2 lod 1.13? :D 10:04:45 xannen: maybe for #ubuntu-au-chat since we have our monthly meeting at the moment 10:04:53 #chair sagaci head_victim jaddi27 10:04:53 Current chairs: head_victim jaddi27 sagaci 10:04:59 ah sorry my bad, didn't know :P 10:05:04 #topic Release Party Updates 10:06:09 Just yesterday we had a small release party for Sydney at the Ampersand Bookstore/Cafe... there were six people who came along, ranging from primary-schoolers to veteran IT/linux/ubuntu users 10:06:50 We chatted about ubuntu and linux general... we did get a picture, but just waiting for permission off one of the attendees until we can post it to flickr/loco.ubuntu.com 10:07:10 i'm curious as what's happening at bris party? 10:07:12 Looks like it was a good little group that went. 10:07:27 the other attendees found out via omgubuntu and facebook. none were on IRC or in this official team, to my surprise 10:07:41 but all were keen to have a similar event for each cycle 10:07:50 Just goes to show the value of social media I guess. Glad we're branching out. 10:08:08 good attendance, considering it was the first one in a few years for sydney 10:08:26 I am glad I made that Facebook event the day before then 10:09:02 there was a bit of confusion about the time but I guess we can just blame daylight savings for that 10:09:20 Yeah I'm beginning to notice dramas with that myself :/ 10:09:20 I'll do a small report of the event for the wiki, and review for next meetings 10:09:20 LOL DL saving 10:09:24 Yes, Facebook times are very difficult to get correct. 10:09:43 #action sagaci to write review/reflection of Sydney release event 10:09:43 * meetingology sagaci to write review/reflection of Sydney release event 10:09:46 The loco.u.c is having fits over it. Where possible I'd suggest making sure you log events/meetings to a UTC time, not a location time. 10:09:59 catch a photon light, put it in a bottle, save it for a rainy day :D 10:10:19 Brisbane update? 10:10:49 sagaci: well it's going ahead next weekend 10:10:54 UTC is not possible on Facebook, but i did add the time to the description to try to alleviate the issue somewhat 10:11:06 jaddi27: good to know, thanks. 10:11:33 The Brisbane release party is going to return to the Breakfast Creek Hotel as it seems this has been a popular venue in the past. 10:11:34 Easy to understand if you just say "Sydney time" or whatever. 10:11:55 That's what I was thinking too. 10:12:00 yeah, I guess we'd have to make a decision, but I strongly prefer local time 10:12:34 Local time is ok for real world events, but when we're running online ones UTC is far better in my opinion. 10:12:45 head_victim: agreed 10:12:52 Here's an idea: Put both? 10:13:03 Yes, I can do that 10:13:08 LOL 10:13:19 UTC sux 10:13:19 yeah, for local events 10:13:19 It's like we're doing admin 101 :D 10:13:20 xannen: can't for the loco.u.c pages other than in the description. 10:13:48 For someone in Sydney or Melbourne, that has a Facebook account, can you tell me what times it has listed for this event: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=142514102513127 10:13:49 It hasn't really been an issue until day light savings rolled around. 10:13:50 head_victim, well, I guess do what we can, and the more info and clarity we can state, the better? 10:13:58 head_victim: should be able to, as long as the event venue is in the right timezone 10:14:05 xannen, agreed 10:14:33 jaddi27: 08 October ยท 13:00 - 14:30 10:14:51 ok. that means Facebook is not aware of daylight saving 10:15:16 I will just put the time there, and again in the details with timezone information 10:15:30 Is there a googleplus page? 10:15:47 You can't do google plus pages yet, as far as i know 10:15:51 gorilla: ping for melbourne event...? 10:15:56 You just +1 anything on the internet 10:16:08 Ah, okay. I don't trust facebook that all. 10:16:09 Last I heard googleplus were actively discouraging groups using their service, it was strictly individuals only. 10:16:40 xannen, http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-au has all of our upcoming events 10:16:53 and you can subscribe to an ical feed of it 10:16:59 ikt: ping... adelaide event? 10:17:18 no adelaide event afaik, it's definitely on my list of things to organise for 12.04 10:17:42 ikt: a Sunday evening would suit if you wanted to do one next weekend or evening the weekend after. 10:17:49 jaddi27: i think with google plus you have a circle, and then you post to that circle although that's more of a group thing :/ 10:18:18 head_victim: yeah definitely, I'll send a msg to the mailing list to see if we have some internet 10:18:21 interest* 10:18:29 although 1 week is fairly short notice 10:18:33 righteo then 10:19:03 #topic Roadmap for Ubuntu-AU/Ubuntu 12.04 LTS 10:19:10 ikt, Yes, I could set up a google+ circle for ubuntu-au, but I am not sure that it is worth it at the moment 10:19:23 I already have a circle in my account for UbuntuAU'ers 10:20:01 share circle with me plx :P 10:20:19 I have a massive ubuntu circle, has around 50 people in it I think 10:21:02 I have a few ideas for events/goals of the next cycle but I'll just swing it around for anyone else to have a say first 10:21:25 free intel core i7 for everyone? :D 10:21:30 sagaci: focus points being events, socialising and translations? 10:21:44 wtb more australian bug triagers 10:21:46 I am guessing this is one of your goals, but I would like to see the translations at or close to 100% complete 10:21:49 head_victim: yup 10:22:14 ikt: as soon as you're willing to hold a session on how to do it I'm sure you'll get more :) Bug triaging is well beyond me at this stage though. 10:22:37 We should also decide on the local version customisations we want to include, as has been raised at previous meetings 10:22:50 base packs have been updated but then again, no point until we're 95-100% complete 10:23:01 ikt, are you a bug coder/fixer? 10:23:10 jaddi27: has there been much more movement on the locolisation images from Canonical yet? 10:23:22 xannen: nah, I deal with the easy stuff :P 10:23:43 I am not really sure - I think sagaci knew more about it than I did 10:23:46 If I can find the link, I will check it out 10:23:48 what localisations pry tell? 10:24:09 birchb: there was a push to start looking at LoCos being able to spin their own customised editions for download. 10:24:24 Why? 10:24:27 Customising language, default wallpapers and settings, etc. 10:24:29 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-cd-localization 10:24:32 it was pretty primitive this cycle but the tools are there to make all the possible defaults, like wallpapers, bookmarks, etc 10:24:50 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects#Translation 10:25:34 Timezone fixes would #1 for me. 10:25:43 events - a few jams, release parties, classroom events 10:26:12 Especially now that the NIH tz db is out of action. 10:26:13 free t-shirts >:D 10:26:30 ikt: free? You paying? ;) 10:26:48 sagaci: I'm really hoping I can work on some Ubuntu Hours now I have a weekday job 10:26:52 ikt, I'd be up for one if you are getting them 10:27:08 LOL 10:27:17 probably better to get the official ubuntu polos then customise 10:27:26 group buy for discount imo :D 10:27:55 I looked into it, and to be honest, I'd probably see more bang for buck in a screenprinted shirt like the lca volunteer ones 10:27:57 could be possible, there was a planet-ubuntu post suggesting LoCo discount rates 10:28:08 but it'd be hard to gauge who's contributed enough, etc 10:29:41 mailing list stuff I think 10:29:50 will it be 100% cotton base polo or T shirt? 10:29:51 yep 10:29:53 could be useful to get who's interested 10:29:59 ready to move on? 10:30:10 I prefer polos if we're using it when presenting at events 10:30:58 sagaci: mailing list looks like a good idea to gauge interest. Although I'd suggest having mockups to take to the ml if someone has time 10:31:57 #action t-shirt order/design/feasibility to mailing list 10:31:57 * meetingology t-shirt order/design/feasibility to mailing list 10:32:41 is there an AU section in ubuntuforums? 10:32:52 #topic Facebook group upgrade -- jaddi27 10:32:55 xannen: yep :) 10:33:01 It's in the topic 10:33:04 xannen, au.ubuntuforums.com 10:33:10 then why don't we use that instead of creating a mailing list? 10:33:20 mailling list hits more peopel 10:33:24 We already have a mailing list, no creating either. 10:33:40 Facebook group update: 10:33:49 ikt, argh!... i've been shot. :P 10:33:57 lol 10:34:08 Our current Facebook group is in the old groups format, which will all be archived soon 10:34:16 http://www.facebook.com/help/?page=18966 10:34:27 That Facebook page outlines the changes 10:34:56 I propose that we upgrade our group to the new groups format, which will allow us to keep our group, basically as it is at the moment 10:35:03 Does anyone else here use FB extensively? 10:35:07 is it feasible to give google+ circle a go? just following on social media, and i'm not a fan of facebook. 10:35:20 There will be a few differences, but I think they should not disadvantage us 10:35:25 xannen: there's no official way of making circles, everone makes their own circles 10:35:37 My circles will never be the same as yours, etc. 10:35:47 xannen, that is the problem with google+ circles at the moment 10:35:48 ah... damn... 10:36:01 We do have twitter and identica accounts as well though 10:36:06 thanks for the info, head_victim, jaddi27 10:36:28 The other thing we can do, which I have sort of raised before, is create a Facebook page 10:36:49 However, pages cannot create events, which would be a disadvantage to us at the moment 10:36:57 head_victim: you can make a circle and share it afaik 10:37:14 jaddi27: would it be better though to just link to loco.u.c so there is only one source for events? 10:37:23 I'm not sure how the FB crowd would take to that though 10:37:28 Facebook Pages do have the benefit of posting all updates to people's news feed, which groups do not do 10:37:41 head_victim, That would be one way of doing it 10:37:57 I think though that to maximise the messages getting out to people, you would have both 10:38:00 head_victim: I'd prefer having loco.ubuntu.com for all rsvp/info 10:38:02 I'm a big fan of reducing duplication. 10:38:19 The way I see it: 10:38:29 YEah but FB is run by an evil basket. Please can you use twitter? 10:38:42 birchb: we have twitter and identica accounts as well :) 10:39:00 current group is for discussion by those who are not sure on how to use the mailing list, and for creating events 10:39:08 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/ContactUs is a list of what accounts we have and who admins them 10:39:24 lol birchb, the evil basket is held by the evil christmas critters (bunny) (south park reference) :P 10:39:24 page would act like the twitter account, and whoever is updating the twitter accounts can post the same thing to the Facebook page 10:39:50 jaddi27: is there a way to auto feed tweets/dents to the page? 10:40:19 There may be - I know that tweet deck could post to Facebook pages, so I presume others can also 10:40:31 I have not looked into all of the different clients though 10:40:43 (there are a lot of them available) 10:41:28 jaddi27: no worries, just trying to see if there' s a streamlining benefit to this as well ;)( 10:41:45 Yes, I think there would be 10:42:19 Would it still be open to general discussion like the current one is or would it be locked down to only admins posting? 10:42:33 lol our discussion on media/publicity is like the recent tax forum, it's a mess. :P not here, not there. :P 10:42:41 You can set it up in both formats 10:43:15 http://www.facebook.com/ubuntulinux 10:43:20 xannen: i think that's just the situation at the moment, facebook/g+/twitter/iden are all not compatible with each other 10:43:25 That is an example of a Facebook page 10:43:28 closed source ftl :P 10:43:35 I like the idea of members posting to it to encourage discussion but not sure how it would go spamming all members 10:43:36 twitter and iden are compatible with eachother 10:44:01 head_victim, posting to a Facebook page will not spam people who like the page 10:44:25 only the posts from the admins of the page will go to the news feed of the people who have liked it 10:44:47 Ah that sounds good then 10:44:48 ikt, it's outrageous that social media is about connecting, and the social media are not talking to each other! LOL 10:44:53 anything else? 10:45:14 Am I fine to upgrade the current group? 10:45:15 I'm happy to go along with whatever jaddi27 recommends as he's by far the most active admin of the FB page 10:45:25 and do the page 10:45:28 let's try this 10:45:32 And knows a whole heap more than I do about the FB stuff :) 10:45:38 Others ok with the idea as proposed? 10:45:59 #vote Should jaddi27 update the Facebook group? 10:45:59 Please vote on: Should jaddi27 update the Facebook group? 10:45:59 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 10:46:05 +1 10:46:05 +1 received from ikt 10:46:08 +1 10:46:08 +1 received from head_victim 10:46:09 +1 10:46:09 +1 received from sagaci 10:46:13 can I vote, or not? 10:46:17 +0.5 10:46:17 +0.5 received from xannen 10:46:18 Sure :) 10:46:22 +1 10:46:22 +1 received from xannen 10:46:24 +1 10:46:24 +1 received from jaddi27 10:46:28 +1 10:46:28 +1 received from birchb 10:46:49 #endvote 10:46:49 Voting ended on: Should jaddi27 update the Facebook group? 10:46:49 Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 10:46:49 Motion carried 10:46:55 gg 10:47:02 i have always wanted to do a vote 10:47:10 "ring the bell for division" :D 10:47:32 can't just let everything go to an action 10:47:34 Ok. I will go about setting all that up 10:47:41 Crouch. Touch. Pause. Engage. 10:47:51 #action jaddi27 to update the facebook group per vote 10:47:51 * meetingology jaddi27 to update the facebook group per vote 10:48:18 #topic Ubuntu-AU status updates -- head_victim and sagaci 10:48:20 +1 10:48:37 Well good news, I'm sure you're all aware, we're now offical again :) 10:48:44 just wanted to put this in a meeting, just a statement from head_victim about the ubuntu-au LoCo status 10:48:50 that's fine 10:48:57 * ikt dances again 10:49:04 great news 10:49:11 Thanks everyone for their hard work over the last year or two, it's really paid off. 10:49:32 I do think we need to keep the effort up though and make sure we document what we do so that when the next approval rolls around we don't suffer the same fate. 10:49:45 and also, I've been changed to the owner for the ubuntu en_AU translation group.. not a huge deal but we now have a mailing list and more control of the group as a whole 10:49:51 I think the documentation is just as important as the actualy events. Without the documentation they never happened to anyone who wasn't there. 10:49:51 yes, yes. you're welcome :P LOL 10:50:26 head_victim: that's right 10:51:07 xannen: turning up counts as helping mate :) 10:51:09 and lastly, 10:51:24 #topic Monthly meeting time - daylight savings change? 10:51:39 head_victim, i'll try :P 10:51:50 For me the time is fine, but I am in Brisbane, so don't really count, I guess 10:51:56 We can do the half hour, because before 6 is getting early for WA people 10:52:05 Set it up as 1930 UTC+10 ? 10:52:11 probably something to defer to the mailing list but for NSW, VIC and TAS 9pm may be a bit late 10:52:16 Split the different that way? 10:52:29 I know people like benonsoftware, it would be a bit late, but just saying 10:53:11 well until we can verify that neutrino does NOT travel faster than light, no point making a time dilation field for aus. :P 10:53:17 I'd defer to the mailing list to account for people that couldn't come to this meeting 10:53:34 sagaci: sounds fair 10:53:35 I'm only inclined to agree because WA's timezone is always a pain 10:53:59 was dealing with it the other day with regards to people calling in after we'd closed for the night, 99% of the time they're from WA 10:54:28 also last time we dealt with timezones we did a poll 10:54:36 would it be better to do it again? 10:54:36 #action meeting time change - defer to the mailing list to account for people that couldn't come to this meeting 10:54:36 * meetingology meeting time change - defer to the mailing list to account for people that couldn't come to this meeting 10:55:10 Who wants to take ownership of that poll? It shouldn't go for more than a week to allow time for people to plan to attend it whenever it's decided for. 10:55:36 yeah, I thought you meant a poll in this meeting 10:56:08 Evening Jarthur121 10:56:10 Evening everyone! 10:56:27 hi Jarthur121 10:56:36 Hi Sagaci 10:56:41 What time does ze meeting start? 10:56:56 erm, an hour ago :P 10:57:19 were you at the Sydney release yesterday? 10:57:50 head_victim: I'm just trying to find it now 10:58:10 sagaci, Yeah, I was finally set free (from windows). :P 10:58:18 Ahh, that's typical :P. 10:58:35 I wasn't at the Sydney release. 10:58:50 Jarthur121: are you subscribed to the ubuntu-au mailing list? 10:59:06 sagaci, just curious, why was the party arranged pre-release date? o.O 10:59:22 xannen: since that's when I was in sydney :) 10:59:28 No I am not, how do I go about it? 10:59:28 Evening chrisuys 10:59:37 sagaci, so self centred. :P heheh. 11:00:03 Well should we close the meeting and have a meet and greet to help some of the newcomers connect to the team? 11:00:11 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot)