19:00 <wxl> #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting 14 September 2016
19:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Sep 14 19:00:10 2016 UTC.  The chair is wxl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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19:00 <wxl> welcome to our regular Lubuntu meeting
19:00 <wxl> agenda is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda
19:00 <wxl> first thing's first—
19:01 <wxl> #topic Show of hands to gauge attendance
19:01 <wxl> o/
19:01 <sudodus> o/
19:01 <wxl> yay there's two of us XD
19:01 <wxl> i'll keep the ball rolling here
19:02 <wxl> #topic QA
19:02 <wxl> final beta is due 22 sept
19:02 <wxl> that said, we should expect to see images early next week
19:02 <sudodus> So we should announce via the mailing lists, that people should get started with the daily iso files
19:03 <wxl> no big fires to put out, but that would be wise
19:03 <wxl> #action wxl will make sure an announcement to the mailing list happens regarding final beta testing upcoming next week
19:03 * meetingology wxl will make sure an announcement to the mailing list happens regarding final beta testing upcoming next week
19:04 <sudodus> Hi lynorian
19:04 <lynorian> I am a little late
19:04 <wxl> we had images not sync earlier
19:04 <wxl> that was kind of weird. hadn't run into that before
19:04 <wxl> if you see anything weird with dailies not being built with today's date, please let me know
19:05 <wxl> thx to lynorian for pointing that out to me btw
19:05 <sudodus> I will have time tomorrow (CET) to check the daily iso files.
19:05 <wxl> we start building at 16:29 UTC btw
19:06 <wxl> alternates are expected to take 45-50 minutes and desktop about double that
19:06 <wxl> you can check here for the status of the builds https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/yakkety/lubuntu
19:06 <wxl> that doesn't tell you the status of the sync, though
19:07 <wxl> have to dig into the logs for that http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/lubuntu/
19:07 <wxl> that's just in case you want to know (it's also in the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing)
19:07 <wxl> tl;dr tell me and i'll work with release team to get it fixed
19:07 <wxl> that's about all i have for QA. any other questions, comments, concerns?
19:08 <sudodus> not yet ;-)
19:08 <wxl> ok
19:08 <wxl> in that case
19:08 <wxl> #topic donations
19:08 <lynorian> thanks for those links wxl
19:08 <wxl> np lynorian :)
19:08 <wxl> so, i've been trying to explore the option of having a Lubuntu Foundation, much like LXDE
19:09 <wxl> i contacted the Software Freedom Law Center on the subject and haven't heard back. apparently they're a little slow on the uptake, so i think we need to just be patient
19:09 <wxl> unfortunately, i'm no expert where it comes to such legalities, so i'm going to continue to keep trying that direction
19:10 <wxl> however, if anyone knows of anyone that would be willing to help provide advice, maybe a reputable lawyer that understands how this world work across global borders, let me know
19:10 <wxl> until then, i don't see any clear solution for donations
19:10 <lynorian> wxl +1
19:11 <wxl> at the same time, i don't necessarily see an urgent requirement for taking them in
19:11 <wxl> that said, i think we'll just keep on keeping on
19:11 <sudodus> Well, I cannot contribute much, I suggest that you continue with the Software Freedom Law Center
19:11 <wxl> glad to hear that great minds think alike XD
19:12 <wxl> moving on, i'm going to skip yakkety as all the discussion i have on the subject was in the qa section
19:12 <wxl> i'm also going to skip tsimonq2's agenda items because he got a little confused by the mathematics of time zone conversions ;)
19:13 <wxl> needless to say, he's not going to be here
19:13 <wxl> he did say he would email out what information he has
19:13 <wxl> he also might suggest different days/times for meetings so he can actually make it
19:13 <wxl> so nexxt
19:13 <wxl> #topic wiki
19:13 <wxl> no new news on the wiki. still looking for someone to play lead.
19:14 <wxl> please spread the word if you know anyone interested
19:14 <wxl> i think ideally we need someone who can coordinate a vision for the whole thing, in terms of organization and editing
19:15 <wxl> i don't think that person necessarily needs to contribute actual content, but of course that would be an additional plus
19:15 <sudodus> There have been a few people contributing. Any chance some of them can be re-activated?
19:15 <wxl> you mean bringing some of the old leaders in, sudodus ?
19:16 <sudodus> Not necessary leaders, but contributors, that might grow into leaders
19:16 <wxl> sure yeah that would be good
19:16 <sudodus> Gustavo da Silva for example
19:16 <wxl> oh i know
19:16 <wxl> he was awesome
19:16 <lynorian> yes he was I think he ran out of free time
19:16 <wxl> unfortunately he's been completely out of touch as lately. life stuff. it happens
19:16 <lynorian> or something
19:17 <wxl> that's a good idea though
19:17 <wxl> maybe i can get some stats on contributors
19:17 <wxl> #action wxl to look at stats on wiki contributors, in hopes of maybe finding a good team lead?
19:17 * meetingology wxl to look at stats on wiki contributors, in hopes of maybe finding a good team lead?
19:18 <wxl> another idea i had, but i'm not sure about it, is perhaps seeking out other documentation teams and seeing if they might have some interest
19:18 <wxl> i think someone with a good vision could make simple tasks that anyone could just chip away at
19:18 <wxl> plus we have Google Code-In coming up again and that would be a great opportunity to get those tasks taken care of
19:19 <wxl> anyone interested in reaching out to the various documentation teams and see if we can dig someone up?
19:20 <sudodus> I will focus on testing ...
19:20 <wxl> k well i'll give it a go
19:20 <sudodus> ... and improving mkusb
19:20 <wxl> #action wxl to reach out to other documentation teams to perhaps find a lead
19:20 * meetingology wxl to reach out to other documentation teams to perhaps find a lead
19:21 <wxl> ok so now we move onto the fun stuff
19:21 <wxl> #topic LXQt
19:21 <wxl> i've seen an increasing number of people in irc asking about when it's coming out
19:21 <wxl> right now there's problems in the metapackages upstream in debian
19:21 <wxl> we cannot even suggest people install the lxqt or lxqt-core packages right now
19:22 <lynorian> what are these current problems?
19:22 <sudodus> I'm not updated on LXQt. How far away is it?
19:22 <wxl> meanwhile, things are also broken that we can't create an image
19:22 <wxl> so we're in a bit of a limbo
19:23 <sudodus> Would it work to install packages into a mini system made from the mini.iso?
19:23 <wxl> lynorian: i only know this as hearsay from tsimonq2. apparently, there's some disagreement in debian related to taskel. i'm not sure i understand it. tsimonq2 said he'd write a bug on this subject
19:23 <wxl> suffice it to say, it's a pretty fundamental thing
19:23 <wxl> not necessarily a "lubuntu" problem, so, no, sudodus, it's broken everywhere
19:24 <wxl> subsequently, because of this the "lubuntu-qt-desktop" suggestion on the wiki page is kind of broken, too
19:24 <sudodus> OK
19:24 <lynorian> I have it iunstalled and somewhat working but the lubuntu session has really bad theming and defualt settings like the runner is not work
19:24 <wxl> lynorian: from the original wiki page?
19:25 <wxl> that original wiki page was at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/Lubuntu/LXQt which caused confusion for at least one user, so i deleted that
19:25 <wxl> that original methodology probably does work (untested), but like you said, it's pretty screwed up
19:26 <wxl> when the debian lxqt metapackages are fixed, then we can probably revise the wiki to allow for that option
19:27 <wxl> and then if all goes well, (perhaps by the new lxqt release) maybe we'll have an lubuntu-next image built by canonical's servers that people can download and test the developing version of lubuntu with lxqt, including qt apps
19:27 <wxl> suffice it to say, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt is the number one source of info
19:27 <wxl> i did have a little talk with tsimonq2 on this subject so i'm going to make him some reminders here:
19:28 <wxl> #action tsimonq2 make a bug report for the debian lxqt metapackages and email the lubuntu-devel list about the situation
19:28 * meetingology tsimonq2 make a bug report for the debian lxqt metapackages and email the lubuntu-devel list about the situation
19:28 <wxl> #action tsimonq2 update the LXQt wiki page with more information about the lxqt metapackages
19:28 * meetingology tsimonq2 update the LXQt wiki page with more information about the lxqt metapackages
19:28 <wxl> any other comments or concerns about lxqt?
19:28 <lynorian> Getting the runner workin gin default settings
19:29 <wxl> lynorian: should we ask question again once we at least get an lxqt metapackage?
19:30 <lynorian> yes
19:30 <wxl> ok so why don't we do this
19:30 <sudodus> OK
19:30 <wxl> #idea once lxqt metapackages are fixed, check if we can get the runner working in default settings
19:31 <wxl> that's supposed to be a meetingology command
19:31 <wxl> i guess we'll have to see what happens :/
19:31 <wxl> #topic anything else
19:31 <wxl> any thing else on anyone else's mind?
19:32 <sudodus> Simon was starting to get mkusb into a debian repository. Do you know anything about his progress?
19:32 <wxl> unfortunately no
19:32 <wxl> soo
19:33 <sudodus> I'll ask directly via mail
19:33 <wxl> #action tsimonq2 to update the mailing list on the status of getting mkusb in debian
19:33 * meetingology tsimonq2 to update the mailing list on the status of getting mkusb in debian
19:33 <wxl> anything new with mkusb, sudodus ?
19:33 <sudodus> Yes, there are a few new features:
19:34 <sudodus> 1. separated the usb-pack-efi (by Andre Rodovalho)
19:35 <sudodus> 2. Made it fix the problem, that some flavours (not Lubuntu) update unattended and fill the casper-rw partition
19:36 <sudodus> 3. Made it see card readers mounting as mmcblk0
19:36 <sudodus> #3 is still is early testing stage
19:36 <wxl> nice
19:37 <wxl> hoepfully we can get it in debian already!
19:39 <sudodus> Yes - that would make it easier to install and use (and rely on).
19:39 <wxl> and i would suspect encourage other flavors to use it
19:39 <wxl> especially consindering how consistent and reliable it is
19:40 <wxl> good work as always, sudodus
19:40 <wxl> with that, i'm going to move to close if everyone else agrees
19:40 <sudodus> Thanks :-)
19:41 <sudodus> Ok for me to close the meeting
19:41 <wxl> alrighty then
19:41 <wxl> thanks everyone for showing up!
19:41 <wxl> #endmeeting