18:59 <wxl> #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting
18:59 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Mar  9 18:59:12 2016 UTC.  The chair is wxl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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18:59 <wxl> agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda
19:00 <wxl> everyone in attendance please say hi, feel free to introduce yourself, etc.
19:00 <wxl> i'm Walter Lapchynski and i'm Release Manager, and Head of QA
19:00 <gilir> o/
19:00 <redwolf> o/
19:01 <wxl> hi gilir :)
19:01 <wxl> good to see you!
19:01 <gilir> hi wxl :-)
19:01 <gilir> Julien, Dev team (just for the log) :-)
19:01 <wxl> looks like it might be the three of us then XD
19:01 <wxl> i know phillw is coming by later
19:02 <redwolf> Rafael, Artwork Team, but you already knew that :)
19:02 <wxl> i'd like to advise, since you're here, gilir, that we move the lxqt topic up a bit so if you need to take off, you can. is that ok?
19:02 <gilir> I'm quite short in time, so if I can start ... :-)
19:02 <wxl> ok
19:02 <wxl> then!
19:02 <wxl> #topic LXQt
19:02 <gilir> thanks :-)
19:02 <wxl> all you!
19:02 <tsimonq2> (o/ I'm here)
19:03 <gilir> I started the preparation for the qt metapackage
19:03 <wxl> yayayay!
19:03 <redwolf> :)
19:03 <gilir> the goal is to be ready to build something for xenial +1
19:03 <gilir> as we have lxqt packages, we "just" need to add the others packages to make a distro
19:03 <wxl> gilir: meaning the packages will be available after xenial, or will they potentially be availabvle for testing before then?
19:04 <gilir> wxl, yes
19:04 <wxl> great, please keep us updated and i'll sick everyone on it
19:05 <tsimonq2> while we are on the topic of LXQt, on my list of weekend projects is to make an LXQt ISO for my convienence, I'll be willing to share if you guys want it
19:05 * agaida - guest - hi
19:05 <gilir> we may ask for an ISO with lxqt for xenial +1
19:05 <wxl> yes so if you get the build system really honed, we can start creating those for y cycle testing, tsimonq2
19:05 <gilir> it may be easier for testing
19:06 <wxl> on the subject of apps, i'm sure there's still more to do
19:06 <wxl> discussion can be had on the blueprints:
19:06 <wxl> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-next
19:06 <gilir> wxl, yes :-/
19:06 <tsimonq2> wxl, gilir: So I'll get a process done and I'll throw it on a server, I'll let you know what I come up with. :)
19:06 <tsimonq2> (I'll throw it on a server so it can generate dailies)
19:07 <tsimonq2> anyways, it's all tenetive at this point, but I'm working on it :)
19:07 <agaida> gilir: only a hint - leave the metapackages untouched and use a desktop task for lxqt
19:07 <gilir> clearly, it will not be ready for default soon
19:07 <wxl> we need to figure out these apps sooner than later because we have testcases to write
19:07 <tsimonq2> yes
19:08 <tsimonq2> also on my weekend project list :)
19:08 <wxl> so i think it would be great if we could set some sort of deadline
19:08 <redwolf> anyway, wxl, due to the qt5 "core", we're "limited" to some well known apps
19:09 <tsimonq2> wxl: I vote March 24, Final Beta
19:09 <gilir> agaida, I'll see when it hits ubuntu repo
19:09 <tsimonq2> does that sound reasonable to anyone else?
19:09 <wxl> that's probably too soon, tsimonq2
19:09 <tsimonq2> hmm, okay
19:09 <tsimonq2> it would be good to have it done by release day
19:09 <gilir> tsimonq2, not for this cycle
19:09 <tsimonq2> hmm, okay gilir
19:09 <wxl> gilir: but ideally before alpha1 of y-cycle
19:10 <gilir> tsimonq2, all the deadline will be for xenial +1
19:10 <wxl> so maybe 2 weeks after xenial release?
19:10 <wxl> to at least make the decision on which apps we're going to use
19:11 <tsimonq2> well, I'll do what I can, even if the deadline is A1 of Y :)
19:11 <tsimonq2> or whatever is suggested :)
19:11 <gilir> wxl, do you have good contacts with release team for asking for an ISO ?
19:11 <sudodus> Hello everybody o/
19:11 <wxl> gilir: yeah
19:12 <gilir> just for the default apps, I would like to keep with qt5 and limited kf5 / kde components
19:12 <redwolf> +1
19:12 <tsimonq2> wxl: in the mean time, I can get that ISO for Monday, let me know if you want extra packages, I just want something to play with and a prototype to build off of
19:13 <gilir> and the iso will be good test the performance , I'm a bit worry about this
19:13 <wxl> gilir: why specifically?
19:13 <gilir> that's all for me
19:13 <tsimonq2> yes, good point gilir, I can write some unofficial, adapted test cases for the ISO that I can run through and give as sort of a prototype
19:14 <gilir> wxl, to have good perf, and too much space on the ISO ...
19:14 <tsimonq2> ahh yes, space :)
19:14 <wxl> gilir: k, so no specific reason (like you think some app or another is going to be a problem), but you mean the whole iso. right.
19:14 <gilir> tsimonq2, we can see the test case after for the non-lxqt apps, that's not urgent
19:14 <wxl> so let's make some actions
19:15 <gilir> tsimonq2, if you want to priorize, test cases for lxqt will be much helpful
19:15 * gilir really need to go :-/
19:15 <wxl> #action wxl: talk to release team to get a lubuntu-lxqt ISO produced for y-cycle
19:15 * meetingology wxl: talk to release team to get a lubuntu-lxqt ISO produced for y-cycle
19:15 <wxl> ok thanks very much gilir!
19:15 <redwolf> okies, gilir. thanks!
19:15 <gilir> thanks, good meeting :-)
19:15 <wxl> #action wxl: communicate goal of having apps figured out before y-cycle alpha testing begins
19:15 * meetingology wxl: communicate goal of having apps figured out before y-cycle alpha testing begins
19:16 <wxl> tsimonq2: feel free to make an action for yourself to create a prototype
19:17 <tsimonq2> #action tsimonq2: Make a prototype of the LXQt ISO for Monday, March 14, 2016
19:17 * meetingology tsimonq2: Make a prototype of the LXQt ISO for Monday, March 14, 2016
19:17 <tsimonq2> wxl: already thought of that :)
19:17 <redwolf> :)
19:17 <tsimonq2> o/ redwolf :)
19:17 <wxl> #info lxqt-metapackage development in progress, to be ready for y-cycle, but hopefully available before xenial release
19:17 <redwolf> O.O
19:18 <wxl> not sure it recorded that
19:18 <wxl> weird
19:18 <wxl> oh well
19:18 <wxl> ok
19:18 <wxl> next subject
19:18 <wxl> #topic QA
19:18 <wxl> as you can see in the topic, we're coming down to the end of xenial, with beta 2 testing beginning 22 mar (to be released 24 mar)
19:19 <wxl> if anyone knows any ppc testers, please tell them to help testing!
19:19 <sudodus> There are a number of bugs. Should we focus on some particular ones?
19:19 <wxl> #info we need ppc testers for xenial!!!!!
19:19 <tsimonq2> so we already talked about test cases, but maybe LXDE test cases need to be discussed?
19:19 <tsimonq2> (sorry for interrupting)
19:20 <wxl> sudodus: i think the goal is to make sure that the new wiki page reflects the current state of things first and foremost
19:20 <wxl> in other words, fixed bugs are removed and new bugs are added
19:20 <sudodus> I can ask Lars Noodén
19:20 <wxl> that page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/Beta2/Lubuntu
19:21 <wxl> i have had like zero time to help with triage, so if there's a particular urgent bug that needs my help, feel free to contact me directly
19:21 <wxl> and i will remind us all, that we could use more bug control members. as of yet, we really have no one dedicated 100% to triage
19:21 <tsimonq2> wxl: *sigh* I should get Bug Control :)
19:21 <wxl> #info we need more bug triagers!
19:21 <tsimonq2> next weekend! :)
19:21 <wxl> tsimonq2: yes, you should.
19:21 <wxl> that would make a big difference
19:22 <tsimonq2> I agree
19:22 <wxl> i think it's also important for us to continue to communicate with one another how to properly deal with bugs
19:22 <wxl> i.e. report everything
19:22 <tsimonq2> #action tsimonq2: obtain Bug Control *soon*
19:22 * meetingology tsimonq2: obtain Bug Control *soon*
19:22 <wxl> then clean them up
19:22 <tsimonq2> I agree
19:22 <sudodus> Maybe the bug with plymouth, that hides the passphrase of encrypted disk installs
19:22 <wxl> remove variables
19:23 <wxl> ask other teams for help
19:23 <wxl> make the descriptions really simple
19:23 <tsimonq2> wxl: BTW abiword is orphaned in Debian so we need someone to fix the bugs
19:23 <wxl> with: steps to reproduce, expected results, actual results, affected, etc.
19:23 <rican-linux> I am testing on my iBook G4
19:23 <tsimonq2> the language selector one, specifically
19:23 <wxl> tsimonq2: in light of lxqt, it's probably irrelevant
19:23 <wxl> rican-linux: thank you so much!!!!
19:24 <rican-linux> no worries I sent you the LXQT pic
19:24 <rican-linux> this is Herminio
19:24 <sudodus> Yes, that Abiword bug is important too.
19:24 <tsimonq2> wxl: but we have an LTS coming up, 5 years, remember? :)
19:24 <wxl> i figured as such rican-linux :)
19:24 <wxl> tsimonq2: ah, that's true
19:24 <tsimonq2> wxl: we need to support LXDE for 5 more years :)
19:24 <tsimonq2> so
19:24 <wxl> tsimonq2: unfortunately, we don't have a big dev team, so i'll remind you, tsimonq2: patches welcome :)
19:25 <rican-linux> I can tell you there is real improvement in how it performs
19:25 <tsimonq2> wxl: I tried, I'll try again, but still :)
19:25 <rican-linux> in 16.04
19:25 <wxl> tsimonq2: i also encourage you to try to see if you can find someone to help with it
19:25 <wxl> rican-linux: excellent!
19:26 <rican-linux> there is only issue with radeon acceleration but that is an issue upstream
19:26 <wxl> our dev team is pretty much full on trying to deal with lxqt while dealing with lxde bugs. we kind of expect our apps to sort of take care of themselves
19:26 <wxl> so this is an unfortunate situation
19:26 <redwolf> but understandable, apps have their own teams
19:26 <tsimonq2> ^
19:27 <wxl> #help abiword is orphaned in Debian and needs someone to fix bugs!
19:27 <wxl> so we'll have to continue to call out for help on that one. that's all i can say unfortunately
19:27 <tsimonq2> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=740678 << details on the abiword orphanage
19:27 <ubot93> Debian bug 740678 in wnpp "O: abiword -- efficient, featureful word processor with collaboration" [Normal,Open]
19:27 <sudodus> How many Lubuntu users use Abiword (I think many of us use LibreOffice)
19:28 <tsimonq2> sudodus: my mom does :)
19:28 <wxl> i use libreoffice, but that's not going to fit on the freaking iso
19:28 <wxl> well
19:28 <wxl> not the alternate
19:28 <wxl> on a cd
19:29 <tsimonq2> s/cd/DVD/
19:29 <tsimonq2> maybe?
19:29 <wxl> yes
19:29 <tsimonq2> *shrug*
19:29 <sudodus> Abiword works with the installed language, it is only changing language, that fails (bad enough, but not a show stopper)
19:29 <wxl> but the goal is to keep alternate on a CD
19:29 <sudodus> Yes
19:29 <wxl> since we can no longer promise that the desktop will be CD sized
19:30 <wxl> ok, well, we'll try to seek help
19:30 <tsimonq2> ^ yeah
19:30 <wxl> anyone want to try to seek out the ubuntu abiword maintainers to ask for help?
19:30 <tsimonq2> o/ I'll do it
19:30 <wxl> make yourself an action
19:30 <tsimonq2> #action tsimonq2: Seek out the Abiword Ubuntu maintainers and ask for help
19:30 * meetingology tsimonq2: Seek out the Abiword Ubuntu maintainers and ask for help
19:30 <tsimonq2> wxl: ik :)
19:31 <wxl> yeah i don't think we have any showstopping bugs per se
19:31 <wxl> certainly are some annoying ones though
19:31 <wxl> even the plymouth one has a workaround
19:31 <tsimonq2> yeah :)
19:31 <sudodus> +1
19:31 <wxl> and that's the thing. as long as we don't have showstoppers, i say we march on
19:32 <tsimonq2> yep
19:32 <redwolf> yup
19:32 <wxl> ok
19:32 <sudodus> yup
19:32 <tsimonq2> heh
19:32 <wxl> so let's see what else we have for QA
19:33 <tsimonq2> OH I have an idea for QA
19:33 <wxl> only other thing i wanted to mention is there's a new series of pi images
19:33 <tsimonq2> let's keep a page of all the known bugs so collecting release notes is easier
19:33 <wxl> https://ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org/
19:33 <tsimonq2> so we don't have to hunt around
19:33 <tsimonq2> and someone tests regularly for existance
19:34 <tsimonq2> wxl: good idea or not?
19:34 <wxl> tsimonq2: yeah that would be a good idea. make a wiki page somewhere and then reference it on our PrePostTODO page
19:34 <tsimonq2> making an action :)
19:34 <wxl> so the deal with the new pi images is the raspberry pi 3 is now supported
19:34 <wxl> onboard bluetooth isn't supported yet but they're working on it
19:34 <tsimonq2> #action tsimonq2: Make a wiki page that has all the known bugs for Lubuntu Xenial on it
19:34 * meetingology tsimonq2: Make a wiki page that has all the known bugs for Lubuntu Xenial on it
19:34 <wxl> i have a pi 3 coming saturday and i'll play around with it
19:35 <wxl> #info Raspberry Pi 3 now supported! https://ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org/
19:35 <wxl> i think that's all i have for QA
19:35 <tsimonq2> hey, I betcha we'll have a Softpedia article soon ;)
19:35 <wxl> so
19:35 <wxl> #topic Donation Area
19:36 <wxl> we've lost a major contributor to the donations project, so we have some reorganizing to do
19:36 <wxl> sadly, i have to say the project is kind of stalled until that happens
19:36 <wxl> nothing but sad news there :(
19:36 <wxl> but we'll get it
19:36 <tsimonq2> so what's the status of this now and what needss to happen to continue?
19:36 <tsimonq2> *needs
19:37 <phillw> wxl: i did get the papers that were countersigned by redwolf back safely. I'm guessing a mistake in the addressing to you.
19:37 <wxl> tsimonq2: i will probably have to go to my local bank and figure out their rules to set everything up
19:37 <wxl> phillw: aren't we missing one of the members, though?
19:37 <tsimonq2> wxl: okay, makes sense :)
19:37 <phillw> wxl: gilir has his scanned, awaiting to be signed and returned.
19:38 <wxl> oh well
19:38 <wxl> if we're continuing on then great
19:38 <redwolf> oh phillw and wxl, what about the donation to opensource?
19:38 <redwolf> from stickers
19:38 <phillw> it is the ones already signed that are the greatest risk.
19:38 <wxl> redwolf: it's unclear. it seems we have a hard time emailing unixstickers
19:39 <wxl> redwolf: it's on my TODO list to follow up, but it's WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY down at the bottom of the list, so if someone else wants to take that on, please do!
19:39 <phillw> redwolf: once we have the account up, I'm sure they'll be happy to use that for lubuntu goodies bought
19:39 <redwolf> okies, not my first task either
19:39 <tsimonq2> need me to do a task? :D
19:40 <wxl> tsimonq2: naw, for now, you got enough on your plate XD
19:40 <wxl> tsimonq2: (especially when you consider all the other stuff i'm lining up for you) XD
19:40 <tsimonq2> well hit me and it'll go on my list XD
19:40 <wxl> okok
19:41 <wxl> so tl;dr we're waiting on the mail for more info about the donation area XD
19:41 <wxl> next subject
19:41 <wxl> #topic wiki
19:41 <phillw> wxl: I've had good liasing with unix stickers, it was me who 1st got things, and I do get  emails from them directly.
19:41 <wxl> you may have noticed i made a call out for help with the docs
19:42 <wxl> i did get some responses, which i have not followed up with
19:42 <wxl> phillw and i (both the de facto interim wiki people, it seems) made a goal to go over them together and formulate a larger plan for getting things back together and get some new work done (e.g. lubuntu manual)
19:43 <wxl> in other news, i'd like to update everyone about the general status of the wiki
19:43 <redwolf> :)
19:43 <wxl> so
19:44 <wxl> we've had a real problem with spammers lately
19:44 <wxl> people editing the wiki may have only seen it as a bunch of 500 Internal Server errors, but no, spam. big problem
19:44 <redwolf> spam?
19:44 <redwolf> like attacks?
19:44 <wxl> we seem to be having issues with people (not bots) signing up for launchpad accounts and then making tons of spam pages
19:44 <wxl> to be clear, i'm talking about the UBUNTU wiki, not just our section of it
19:44 <redwolf> and not forget the @ubuntu.com addresses being compromised
19:45 <redwolf> *don't
19:45 <wxl> look here and you can see all the pages i deleted yesterday for example:
19:45 <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecentChanges
19:45 <tsimonq2> redwolf: HUH?
19:45 <redwolf> some @ubuntu.com are having massive spam too
19:45 <wxl> redwolf: yeah, well, that's not necessarily related to the wiki update but XD
19:45 <redwolf> same "spam package" :P
19:45 <tsimonq2> well I want to know if my email is compromised :/
19:45 <wxl> redwolf: (stay on topic man) XD
19:45 <tsimonq2> XD ^
19:45 <wxl> anywho
19:46 <wxl> so there is a new process for users to gain edit access
19:46 <wxl> that's explained here:
19:46 <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpContents
19:46 * phillw was guniea pig :D
19:46 <wxl> and on the other wiki, here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide
19:47 <wxl> just the other day that made that wiki mutable again
19:47 <wxl> (the help.u.c. one)
19:47 <wxl> so now, as long as yyou are an ubuntu member and/or you have ubuntu-etherpad access, you can edit the wiki
19:48 <wxl> if you're logged in when you get this access, you'll need to log out and back in again
19:48 <wxl> just to make sure that everyone knows how to use the wiki now, i'm telling you this
19:48 <wxl> i'm an admin on ubuntu-etherpad, so see me if you need access
19:48 * LStranger waves
19:48 <wxl> though i'll warn you that we are eying applications very skeptically
19:49 <sudodus> No I'm an Ubuntu member, but I can't edit the pages, they are immutable for me.
19:49 <wxl> especially considering the spammers are even creating fake teams and sending messages to the admins of the team asking for access
19:49 <tsimonq2> sudodus: the best option would be to join #canonical-sysadmin and ask the Vanguard
19:50 <wxl> sudodus: although yoiu're not on the ACL so you probably need to get a new login, as i said https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntumembersTeamACL
19:50 <LStranger> seems I've missed gilir
19:50 <redwolf> what means a new Login?
19:50 <marcus68> who? me?
19:50 <phillw> LStranger: yeah, a fleeting visit
19:50 <wxl> the other ACL for ubuntu-etherpad is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntuetherpadTeamACL
19:51 <wxl> so if you're not on one of those, you need a whole new login
19:51 <wxl> redwolf: like log out, clear your cache, log in all over again and make sure you click the checkboxes for ubuntu-members and/or ubuntu-etherpad
19:51 <redwolf> ah, okies
19:52 <wxl> we have confirmed this methodology works on both wikis for all combinations of ubuntu-members and ubuntu-etherpad
19:52 <wxl> plus we have confirmed both direct and indirect memberships work
19:52 <wxl> so if for some reason you still have a problem, as tsimonq2 said, go to #canonical-sysadmins and ping the vanguard (person running the show for IS) in the topic
19:53 <wxl> or you can come ask around at #ubuntu-community-team as many folks there have been involved in this whole process
19:53 <sudodus> OK, I found a second login on the wiki - and after logging in, I can edit again, but I think not in the help pages (only the wiki pages)
19:53 <wxl> there's a long term goal of switching to mediawiki to deal with performance issues and better deal with spam, etc
19:53 <tsimonq2> o/ bye
19:53 <wxl> sudodus: recent changes
19:54 <wxl> sudodus: so try again there :) they're two separate logins
19:54 <redwolf> it works for me. but some things (links) are wrong (user links to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=userprefs). but yes, method works
19:54 <wxl> rather they're two separate OpenID transactions if you want to be specific
19:55 <wxl> redwolf: that may be something they changed. i don't know
19:55 <sudodus> OK, I will try again tomorrow with the help pages
19:55 <wxl> if anyone else has issues with the wiki, feel free to come to me, too, as i'm happy to liase with IS/community-team
19:55 <wxl> #ubuntu-doc is also another place you can go for help
19:56 <wxl> ok done with wiki
19:56 <wxl> i'll let sudodus give us an update on startup disks
19:56 <wxl> #topic startup disk creator (mkusb, etc)
19:58 <sudodus> mkusb is as before - it works, and I can help people at the Ubuntu Forums (and Lubuntu Users). I have tried, but not received any real help to get mkusb into a debian repository
19:59 <wxl> sudodus: i thought melodie was going to help facilitate
19:59 <wxl> ?
19:59 <sudodus> the Startup Disk Creator usb-creator-gtk is cloning (like mkusb's standard mode) and I think it is stable in Xenial.
20:00 <wxl> sudodus: do you know of any qt support, looking forward to y-cycle?
20:00 <sudodus> I have tested it in Trusty and Wlly too, and it works.
20:01 <sudodus> there is also usb-creator-kde. Would that work out of the box in qt?
20:01 <wxl> maybe. we'll have to check the depends
20:01 <wxl> none of us want kdelibs and usually -kde is a sign of them
20:02 <wxl> do you think you could check on that, sudodus ? not urgent, but looking forward to what our solution is going to be for y-cycle
20:02 <sudodus> It must be checked
20:03 <sudodus> Yes, I can check that. What is the current status of LXQt - How should I set it up to get something to test?
20:03 <phillw> sudodus: there is a meta package available for xenail
20:03 <phillw> *xenial
20:03 <wxl> hm we don't seem to have a blueprint related to the startup disc creator
20:03 <wxl> there is this one for cd burning, though: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-next/+spec/1610-qt-burning
20:04 <wxl> feel free to add it there, i think
20:04 <wxl> #action sudodus: research depends of usb-creator-kde for LXQt
20:04 * meetingology sudodus: research depends of usb-creator-kde for LXQt
20:05 <wxl> #help someone help sudodus get mkusb in the Debian repos!
20:05 <wxl> i guess that's that, then :)
20:05 <sudodus> It should work with mkusb (it works without problems in Kubuntu), but I should check it too in LXQt
20:06 <wxl> here's the howto on lxqt btw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQ
20:06 <wxl> um
20:06 <wxl> here's the howto on lxqt btw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt
20:06 <sudodus> melodie gave some tips, but has no time to really help
20:06 <phillw> wxl: agaida added in an update for the lxqt-metapackage. It still needs some testing.
20:07 <wxl> phillw: in the ppa?
20:07 <agaida> nope - it should be rock stable and is in xenial
20:07 <phillw> I'd have to scroll back on the channel.
20:07 <sudodus> thanks for the link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt
20:07 <phillw> agaida: :) Thanks, and sorry - it IS on my list, honest!
20:07 <wxl> agaida: is in the normal repos???? cuz gilir earlier said he's working on it
20:08 <wxl> !info lxqt-metapackage xenial
20:08 <agaida> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-metapackages
20:08 <ubot93> Package lxqt-metapackage does not exist in xenial
20:08 <agaida> wxl: it depends what gilir want to achieve with a metapackage
20:09 <wxl> !info lxqt-metapackages xenial
20:09 <ubot93> Package lxqt-metapackages does not exist in xenial
20:09 <wxl> oic
20:09 <agaida> !info lxqt
20:09 <ubot93> lxqt (source: lxqt-metapackages): Metapackage for LXQt. In component universe, is optional. Version 4 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 9 kB
20:09 <agaida> !info lxqt-core
20:09 <ubot93> lxqt-core (source: lxqt-metapackages): Metapackage for the LXQt core. In component universe, is optional. Version 4 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 9 kB
20:10 <wxl> ok so we need to test those and then update the wiki
20:10 <agaida> its a carbon copy of lxde and lxde-core - with some specific dependencies
20:10 <wxl> #info lxqt and lxqt-core are now available in xenial— test it!
20:10 <phillw> wxl: as I said.... It IS on my list, and I'm behind ;'(
20:10 <phillw> :'(
20:10 <wxl> we need to check with gilir and see what he meant in light of that
20:10 <agaida> and for iso-building i would suggest to go with desktop-task-lxqt
20:11 <wxl> phillw: could you ask gilir if we really need to have him do anything further with metapackages? maybe he doesn't know
20:12 <phillw> wxl: okies, I'll try and grab him :)
20:12 <agaida> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=814923
20:12 <ubot93> Debian bug 814923 in tasksel "tasksel: Please add task-lxqt-desktop to tasksel" [Normal,Open]
20:12 <wxl> thanks
20:12 <wxl> wait what topic were we on? XD
20:13 <agaida> that package would fit for lubuntu too - and i would suggest to use the lxqt metapackages as is and make needed changes in the thasksel task
20:13 <wxl> phillw: you ready for your agenda item?
20:14 <phillw> yup
20:14 <wxl> #topic #Lubuntu Vs Win7, does this need updating to lubuntu Vs win10?
20:14 <wxl> all you phillw
20:14 <agaida> wxl: the plan behind the tasksel thing is great and would fit your needs perfectly fine
20:15 <wxl> agaida: this is gilir's realm. so i'll let him know
20:15 <sudodus> I have to leave from the keyboard for a while
20:15 <phillw> okies, for a couple of cycles we have had a compare of lubuntu to Win7. This seems out of date. So, my suggestion is that we do a 16.04 Vs Win 10 table to replace it?
20:16 <wxl> i'm in favor of that
20:16 <wxl> but who has windows 10 laying around to help with that?
20:16 * wxl NOT ME
20:16 <phillw> wxl: I'll go into borg mode :)
20:16 <phillw> I still have time for this to happen.
20:17 <wxl> in that case—
20:18 <wxl> #action phillw: find someone with Windows 10 to update Lubuntu v. Windows table
20:18 * meetingology phillw: find someone with Windows 10 to update Lubuntu v. Windows table
20:18 <phillw> kk
20:18 <wxl> alright
20:18 <wxl> that being done
20:18 <wxl> #topic any other items?
20:18 <wxl> this one's open to everyone
20:18 <wxl> so speak now or forever hold your peace XD
20:19 * wxl notes the deafening sound of a pin dropping
20:19 <phillw> always a good sign :)
20:20 <wxl> ok, in the case, i'm calling the meeting
20:20 <wxl> thanks everyone
20:20 <wxl> #endmeeting