== Meeting information ==
 * #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu Community Meeting, 15 Nov at 23:00 — 00:08 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2019/xubuntu-devel.2019-11-15-23.00.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
=== Open action items ===
The discussion about "Open action items" started at 23:04.


=== Updates and announcements ===
The discussion about "Updates and announcements" started at 23:04.

  * Xubuntu 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" released on 10/17, https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-19-10-released/
  * Xubuntu 20.04 "Focal Fossa" development has started!
  * 20.04 draft release schedule up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule
  * 20.04 development tracker up at https://dev.xubuntu.org/
  * Translation templates for xubuntu-default-settings have been updated, so check out https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/+translations and update your native language
  * The Xubuntu cdimage page is now Xubuntu-branded! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/

=== Discussion ===
The discussion about "Discussion" started at 23:19.

 * '''Xubuntu 20.04 Planning''' (23:19)
  * ''LINK:'' https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-f-roadmap 
  * Feature definition freeze is on 11/28, which is just under 2 weeks away. Be sure to review the blueprints and make any changes needed.
 * '''Xubuntu QA Discussion''' (23:39)
 * '''The many hats of knome''' (23:50)

=== AOB ===
The discussion about "AOB" started at 00:06.


=== Schedule next meeting ===
The discussion about "Schedule next meeting" started at 00:07.

  * ''ACTION:'' ochosi to schedule next meeting



== Vote results ==




== Action items, by person ==

 * ochosi
  * ochosi to schedule next meeting



== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * bluesabre (96)
 * ochosi (41)
 * Unit193 (16)
 * pleia2 (13)
 * meetingology (7)
 * smkellat (6)
 * aaronfranke (5)
 * ubottu (2)



== Full Log ==


 23:00 <bluesabre> #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting

 23:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Nov 15 23:00:10 2019 UTC.  The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 23:00 <meetingology> 

 23:00 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 23:00 <bluesabre> !team | Xubuntu Community Meeting is a-go again! Anybody around?

 23:00 <ubottu> Xubuntu Community Meeting is a-go again! Anybody around?: akxwi-dave, bluesabre, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193

 23:01 <bluesabre> Will give folks a few minutes to show up.

 23:01 <ochosi> o/

 23:01 <bluesabre> #chair ochosi

 23:01 <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre ochosi

 23:01 <pleia2> o/

 23:01 <bluesabre> #chair pleia2

 23:01 <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre ochosi pleia2

 23:01 <bluesabre> Very nice :D

 23:02 <bluesabre> knome plz :)

 23:03 <bluesabre> Well, let's get started :)

 23:03 <bluesabre> #info Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings

 23:04 <bluesabre> #topic Open action items

 23:04 <bluesabre> ... and there are none.

 23:04 <bluesabre> #topic Updates and announcements

 23:04 <bluesabre> #info Xubuntu 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" released on 10/17, https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-19-10-released/

 23:04 <bluesabre> #info Xubuntu 20.04 "Focal Fossa" development has started!

 23:04 <bluesabre> #info 20.04 draft release schedule up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule

 23:04 <bluesabre> Some key dates:

 23:04 <bluesabre> 11/28 - Feature Definition Freeze (get your blueprints updated!)

 23:04 <bluesabre> 1/9 - Ubuntu Testing Week (let's maybe participate in that)

 23:04 <bluesabre> 2/27 - Feature Freeze / Debian Import Freeze

 23:04 <bluesabre> 3/19 - User Interface Freeze

 23:04 <bluesabre> 4/2 - Beta

 23:04 <bluesabre> 4/16 - Release Candidate

 23:05 <bluesabre> 4/23 - Final Release

 23:05 <bluesabre> #info 20.04 development tracker up at https://dev.xubuntu.org/

 23:05 <bluesabre> #info Translation templates for xubuntu-default-settings have been updated, so check out https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/+translations and update your native language

 23:05 <bluesabre> #info The Xubuntu cdimage page is now Xubuntu-branded! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/

 23:06 <bluesabre> (And that's everything on my list!) Anybody else?

 23:06 <pleia2> nice

 23:07 <ochosi> kewl

 23:07 <ochosi> regarding general topics and announcements...

 23:07 <ochosi> i guess we shouldn't expect too many changes in our xfce stack from 19.10 to 20.04

 23:08 <ochosi> the maximum would be including new patch releases of certain apps, and maybe 4.14 patch releases of certain core components

 23:08 <ochosi> but nothing dramatic

 23:08 <bluesabre> Yeah, outside of fixes and some straggler GTK-2 things, Xfce will be pretty quiet this cycle

 23:08 <ochosi> afaict there have also been no "terrible" bugreports upstream

 23:09 <bluesabre> "Terrible" is pretty bad... any normal bad ones? :)

 23:09 <ochosi> not sure if we can already get rid of gtk2 on the default install

 23:09 <ochosi> not that i know of :)

 23:09 <bluesabre> Yeah, gimp and pidgin are holding that up (maybe some other things as well)

 23:10 <ochosi> meh

 23:10 <ochosi> i guess we have little to no alternatives to them

 23:10 <bluesabre> Yeah, so most likely GTK2+3 for the next couple cycles

 23:11 <ochosi> mhm

 23:11 <bluesabre> Any other updates? Unit193: anything interesting coming from Debian-land?

 23:12 <Unit193> I have no idea.

 23:12 <bluesabre> #chair Unit193

 23:12 <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre ochosi pleia2

 23:12 <bluesabre> :D

 23:12 <Unit193> bluesabre: Not sure it matters, but all d/watch files are now broken.

 23:12 <ochosi> are we missing much from xfce-gtk3?

 23:12 <Unit193> I *knew* it!

 23:12 <bluesabre> Unit193: oh?

 23:12 <Unit193> bluesabre: mirrorbrain → mirrorbit literally broke everything.

 23:12 <bluesabre> Niiiiiiice

 23:13 <Unit193> (See scrollback in #debian-xfce)

 23:13 <bluesabre> !info xfburn focal

 23:13 <ubottu> xfburn (source: xfburn): CD-burner application for Xfce Desktop Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.5-2 (focal), package size 373 kB, installed size 2041 kB

 23:13 <Unit193> ochosi: We need to update time-out-plugin, or something.  But that's about it.

 23:13 <bluesabre> ochosi: 0.6.x of that ^ will give us gtk3

 23:14 <ochosi> ok

 23:14 <ochosi> well at least that would be some kind of achievement, saying that all of xfce is now gtk3

 23:15 <ochosi> other than that we have not much on 19.10 i guess

 23:15 <ochosi> unless any of you have anything planned

 23:15 <ochosi> but my time/efforts will probably mostly go towards 4.16

 23:15 <ochosi> and maybe preparing greybird a little for more CSD

 23:16 <bluesabre> Yeah... I'll probably start sending bug reports your way as I cleanup the lists

 23:16 <bluesabre> Trying to tidy up all the trackers for 20.04 :)

 23:17 <Unit193> Basically, test 4.14, get all point releases.

 23:17 <bluesabre> mhm

 23:17 <bluesabre> Any other updates/announcements?

 23:17 <Unit193> Backport everything to the one PPA for people that want to update, but don't want to update.  Nope.

 23:18 <ochosi> nope

 23:18 <bluesabre> oh yeah

 23:18 <bluesabre> I've started helping with the Xubuntu Twitter, so it might be slightly more chatty going forward.

 23:19 <pleia2> thanks bluesabre <3

 23:19 <bluesabre> (let me know if it needs to shut up ;))

 23:19 <bluesabre> Moving on now...

 23:19 <bluesabre> # topic Discussion

 23:19 <bluesabre> #topic Discussion

 23:19 <bluesabre> #subtopic Xubuntu 20.04 Planning

 23:20 <bluesabre> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-f-roadmap

 23:20 <bluesabre> #info Feature definition freeze is on 11/28, which is just under 2 weeks away. Be sure to review the blueprints and make any changes needed.

 23:20 <bluesabre> Not sure if we want to do some planning or review now... I tried to make sure everything was relevant and up-to-date.

 23:21 <ochosi> we can take a look now

 23:21 <ochosi> as i said, not sure i have much planned (apart from maybe fixing some bugs, so no features i guess)

 23:23 <bluesabre> One of the bigger ones (maybe big-ish?) will be the wallpaper contest... though knome already made that pretty easy from what I remember

 23:23 <pleia2> yeah, we'll need to check that the site is in good shape, but as long as it still works, it should be fine

 23:23 <pleia2> then we just need to promote and such

 23:23 <ochosi> yeah

 23:24 <ochosi> since g+ is dead i'm pretty much out of the social media loop

 23:24 <pleia2> yeah, so blog, twitter, fb, probably reddit now too

 23:24 <pleia2> (also, if anyone wants to be a mod on reddit, lmk)

 23:24 <Unit193> ochosi: https://a.thumbs.redditmedia.com/qW9AP-SMY75Xq-RRyPsg-u2zLMvSAT9m9vMXMLW6ux8.png

 23:24 <ochosi> Unit193: lol

 23:26 <bluesabre> I linked a bunch of bugs to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-f-bugs, not all to be fixed or included necessarily, but maybe a chance for extended documentation

 23:27 <bluesabre> Or even just for closing out if they're just outside of our scope

 23:28 <ochosi> ok, i'll take a look

 23:29 <ochosi> humm, how can one test plymouth again...

 23:30 <bluesabre> I actually don't know where the flyer exists from https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-f-documentation, is that somewhere in LP?

 23:30 <bluesabre> ochosi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth#line-162 :)

 23:32 <pleia2> yeah, the flyer is in lp

 23:32 <pleia2> under https://launchpad.net/xubuntu-marketing

 23:33 <bluesabre> pleia2: awesome, thanks!

 23:36 <bluesabre> Anything else to discuss regarding the blueprints for now? ochosi pleia2 Unit193

 23:36 <ochosi> nope, unfortunately not

 23:36 <ochosi> apart from "i'll try to fix a bug or two"

 23:37 <bluesabre> :)

 23:39 <bluesabre> Next up

 23:39 <bluesabre> #subtopic Xubuntu QA Discussion

 23:39 <bluesabre> So, we're still without a QA lead. Kev left us in pretty good shape, but we probably need to start figuring things out.

 23:40 <bluesabre> At the same time, the Ubuntu Mate QA folks really gave us a boost in 19.10, so we should thank them for stepping up and helping out. Thanks Wimpress, franksmsb, and all the other Mate lurkers! :-)

 23:40 <bluesabre> *franksmcb

 23:41 * smkellat 1is late due to a system hang

 23:41 <bluesabre> I should probably send a mail out to the testers team to see who we still have around

 23:41 <bluesabre> hey smkellat!

 23:41 <ochosi> do you have any concrete suggestions apart from "emailing the testers" as to what we could do?

 23:42 <bluesabre> Not yet... In generally, folks only become leads if they're interested and have sustained contribution

 23:42 <bluesabre> Brought it to the meeting of the minds for more ideas ;)

 23:43 <smkellat> Term limits and rotation out help prevent burnout

 23:44 <smkellat> i.e. No more than 3 releases in a row leading QA

 23:46 <bluesabre> Yeah, pretty sure we burned Kev out

 23:47 <bluesabre> But that was also with others taking up the QA mantle, but ultimately having to step down due to life. The small team makes it hard to have a backup plan. :)

 23:47 <Unit193> I mean, we couldn't even get someone to be team lead..

 23:48 <smkellat> And I’m only wandering back in after six years of Uncle Sam...

 23:49 <bluesabre> So yeah, I think the first step is just opening up the communication channel with our testers and warm them up to the idea of keeping QA going :)

 23:49 <Unit193> Might as well send to -devel too.

 23:49 <bluesabre> yup

 23:50 <bluesabre> Alrighty, on to the next topic so I don't keep everybody too long :)

 23:50 <bluesabre> #subtopic The many hats of knome

 23:50 <bluesabre> knome shared this with the team, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2019-October/011850.html, in case anybody wants to step up and take some of the responsibilities off his shoulders.

 23:51 <ochosi> maybe we could call for a new web lead

 23:52 <ochosi> could be a good way to get someone into the project

 23:52 <bluesabre> I'm good with helping with Twitter and ML, and can help with server items as needed.

 23:52 <ochosi> there just seem to be so many web devs out there

 23:52 <Unit193> I'd say I'd help with server stuff, but I'm already listed there I guess.  I go through the moderation queue too, but there's something in -users crashing listadmin. :3

 23:52 <bluesabre> Yeah, that's a good thought

 23:52 <Unit193> ...Spass? :P

 23:52 <ochosi> :)

 23:52 <bluesabre> oooh

 23:52 <bluesabre> Spass indeed

 23:53 <Unit193> I'm entirely crap with websites.

 23:53 <aaronfranke> So what's involved with the web lead position? I've been doing web dev for several years, mostly with simple HTML/CSS/JS.

 23:54 <ochosi> oh hi - a new face is always welcome! :)

 23:54 <bluesabre> :)

 23:54 <smkellat> The most I can do with a website is use either ikiwiki or MkDocs at this point.

 23:55 <Unit193> We use wordpress (with our plugins), and some php for the tracker.

 23:56 <ochosi> i think getting familiar with our current setup would be step 1

 23:56 <ochosi> then reviewing if there are obvious bugs could be step 2

 23:56 <ochosi> improvements, suggestions, new ideas would be step 3 or so

 23:56 <aaronfranke> Oh, I hate wordpress... :P

 23:56 <ochosi> heh

 23:56 <bluesabre> I don't know anybody that loves wordpress

 23:57 <pleia2> hehe

 23:57 <smkellat> LaTeXML is easier to wrangle

 23:57 <aaronfranke> The current website looks really nice already, though I can think of a few things to improve.

 23:58 <pleia2> knome has done a lot of work in wordpress to automate things like release tasks

 23:58 <pleia2> so it's decent to use from an admin perspective too

 23:58 <Unit193> And the contest is in wp.

 23:58 <pleia2> yeah, a whole separate instance

 00:01 <bluesabre> Some relevant code can be found here, https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website

 00:02 <ochosi> sry, g2g..

 00:02 <ochosi> night everyone

 00:02 <bluesabre> ochosi: have a good night! (I have you scheduling the next meeting btw)

 00:03 <bluesabre> aaronfranke: if you want to stick around on this channel, we'd definitely appreciate the help even if you don't take up leadership :)

 00:03 <bluesabre> Just, you know, something to consider ;)

 00:04 <aaronfranke> Sure, though I don't know how much of a help I can be with a Wordpress site

 00:04 <aaronfranke> I've been reading the messages here for awhile and I'll probably stay here for awhile

 00:05 <bluesabre> We also have the dev tracker (https://dev.xubuntu.org/) which is just PHP/HTML/JS I believe, and https://wiki.xubuntu.org/ which is a dokuwiki instance

 00:05 <bluesabre> :)

 00:05 <bluesabre> But yeah, probably about time to wrap up this discussion

 00:06 <bluesabre> #topic AOB

 00:06 <bluesabre> Anything else, anybody?

 00:07 <bluesabre> Guessing not

 00:07 <bluesabre> #topic Schedule next meeting

 00:07 <bluesabre> ochosi: you can have the next one. Make it fun (and within 20.04) ;)

 00:08 <bluesabre> #action ochosi to schedule next meeting

 00:08 * meetingology ochosi to schedule next meeting

 00:08 <bluesabre> #endmeeting



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