== Meeting information ==
 * #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu Community Meeting, 12 Oct at 21:58 — 22:29 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2019/xubuntu-devel.2019-10-12-21.58.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== Open action items ===
The discussion about "Open action items" started at 22:01.

  * ''DONE:'' bluesabre to replace light-locker with xfce4-screensaver in eoan
  * ''DONE:'' bluesabre to mail the mailing list to discuss additional keyboard shortcuts
  * ''DONE:'' bluesabre to mail the team regarding the GTK styles in GIMP (noting GTK used to be default)
  * ''DONE:'' bluesabre to email a team vote for color emoji support in Xubuntu

=== Updates and announcements ===
The discussion about "Updates and announcements" started at 22:05.

  * Xfce 4.14 released, available in 19.10
  * Root ZFS installation now available with the 19.10 daily image
  * 19.10 to be released this coming Thursday (10/17), let's test it this week!

=== Discussion ===
The discussion about "Discussion" started at 22:10.


=== Schedule next meeting ===
The discussion about "Schedule next meeting" started at 22:28.

  * ''ACTION:'' bluesabre to schedule next meeting



== Vote results ==




== Action items, by person ==

 * bluesabre
  * bluesabre to schedule next meeting



== Done items ==

 * bluesabre to replace light-locker with xfce4-screensaver in eoan
 * bluesabre to mail the mailing list to discuss additional keyboard shortcuts
 * bluesabre to mail the team regarding the GTK styles in GIMP (noting GTK used to be default)
 * bluesabre to email a team vote for color emoji support in Xubuntu



== People present (lines said) ==

 * bluesabre (61)
 * ochosi (41)
 * ubottu (6)
 * meetingology (6)
 * Unit193 (2)



== Full Log ==


 21:58 <bluesabre> #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting

 21:58 <meetingology> Meeting started Sat Oct 12 21:58:35 2019 UTC.  The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 21:58 <meetingology> 

 21:58 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 21:58 <bluesabre> Surprise!

 21:58 <bluesabre> !team | anybody around for a quick meeting?

 21:58 <ubottu> anybody around for a quick meeting?: team is akxwi-dave, bluesabre, jjfrv8, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193

 22:00 <bluesabre> #chair ochosi

 22:00 <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre ochosi

 22:00 <bluesabre> #chair Unit193

 22:00 <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre ochosi

 22:01 <ochosi> new motto: "better to have an impromptu meeting with a few people than no meetings at all"

 22:01 <bluesabre> :D

 22:01 <bluesabre> Works for me

 22:01 <bluesabre> #topic Open action items

 22:01 <bluesabre> #done bluesabre to replace light-locker with xfce4-screensaver in eoan

 22:01 <ochosi> noice

 22:01 <bluesabre> #done bluesabre to mail the mailing list to discuss additional keyboard shortcuts

 22:02 <bluesabre> #done bluesabre to mail the team regarding the GTK styles in GIMP (noting GTK used to be default)

 22:02 <bluesabre> #done bluesabre to email a team vote for color emoji support in Xubuntu

 22:02 <bluesabre> never got to it: bluesabre to work on improving "starting point" documentation for dev/QA

 22:02 <bluesabre> never got to it: bluesabre to reach out to other flavors to improve shared documentation

 22:03 <ochosi> i guess dev docs could be an upstream topic

 22:03 <ochosi> at least i wouldn't duplicate the effort

 22:03 <ochosi> and upstream could really use some time spent on that, and then we could simply link to it

 22:03 <bluesabre> Yeah

 22:03 <bluesabre> GIMP: GTK theme, got +4 / -0

 22:04 <bluesabre> Color emoji: +3 / -1

 22:05 <bluesabre> Keyboard shortcuts: Added Super+L for locking, Super+D for show desktop

 22:05 <bluesabre> #topic Updates and announcements

 22:06 <bluesabre> ochosi: Definitely in favor for upstream docs

 22:06 <ochosi> i guess we got both 4.14 patch releases (settings, panel) into eoan?

 22:06 <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, pretty sure

 22:06 <bluesabre> !info xfce4-settings eoan

 22:06 <ochosi> that's pretty neat

 22:06 <ubottu> xfce4-settings (source: xfce4-settings): graphical application for managing Xfce settings. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.14.1-1ubuntu1 (eoan), package size 565 kB, installed size 3535 kB

 22:06 <bluesabre> !info xfce4-panel eoan

 22:06 <ubottu> xfce4-panel (source: xfce4-panel): panel for Xfce4 desktop environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.14.1-0ubuntu1 (eoan), package size 623 kB, installed size 3599 kB

 22:07 <ochosi> i think i was the only one doing patch releases so far

 22:07 <ochosi> so that should be it

 22:07 <bluesabre> #info Xfce 4.14 released, available in 19.10

 22:07 <bluesabre> #info Root ZFS installation now available with the 19.10 daily image

 22:08 <bluesabre> I don't think I have any other announcements

 22:08 <ochosi> me neither

 22:08 <ochosi> i guess we won't push any further patch releases of 4.14 into eoan

 22:09 <bluesabre> #info 19.10 to be released this coming Thursday (10/17), let's test it this week!

 22:09 <bluesabre> Yeah, at least without them being SRU

 22:09 <ochosi> unless they fix something critical which has yet to be discovered (4.14 is going suprisingly smooth in terms of critical bug reports)

 22:10 <bluesabre> Indeed, we did a good job with our years of slower-pace development and 6 months of rapid development ;)

 22:10 <ochosi> haha

 22:10 <bluesabre> So with no other announcements...

 22:10 <ochosi> that may be the new methodology to supersede "agile" :D

 22:10 <bluesabre> #topic Discussion

 22:11 <bluesabre> It's been a pretty quiet development cycle on the Xubuntu side of things

 22:11 <ochosi> yeah, as long as you ignore upstream efforts

 22:11 <ochosi> my time was pretty bound by that

 22:12 <bluesabre> Same, was pretty on it with Xfce up until September, then I was on personal stuff for a month

 22:13 <bluesabre> knome: for the record, I am a fan of the new wallpaper (as usual). Dig the colors!

 22:14 <bluesabre> I think we'll need to dig in and do a good round of planning in the next couple weeks, 20.04 is an LTS

 22:14 <ochosi> indeed

 22:14 <ochosi> although tbh i wouldn't change much about the 4.14 stuff

 22:14 <bluesabre> There's probably a few upstream changes we should bring down, like the pathbar

 22:14 <ochosi> pathbar?

 22:15 <bluesabre> in thunar

 22:15 <bluesabre> Instead of text entry

 22:16 <ochosi> oh dear

 22:16 <bluesabre> Not sure what other goodies there were yet :D

 22:16 <ochosi> i thought there was only that one now

 22:16 <ochosi> doesn't make much sense to me to keep both around tbh

 22:17 <bluesabre> Yeah

 22:17 <bluesabre> This is the default, https://imgur.com/itmSy7N.png

 22:17 <ochosi> meh

 22:17 <ochosi> ok, yeah, we should for sure switch

 22:18 <bluesabre> Otherwise, probably lots of papercut bugs to fix

 22:18 <ochosi> yeah

 22:18 <ochosi> tbh we could review some apps again

 22:19 <ochosi> i'd still like to get rid of gnome software for the fact that it keeps running in the background

 22:19 <ochosi> but i guess there is still no alternative to it

 22:20 <bluesabre> It gets a little bit better each cycle, but yeah... it's still not particularly great (and not up to where software-center was)

 22:20 <Unit193> Still can't really find things, isn't so good in general.

 22:21 <ochosi> yeah, i also have to agree with that

 22:21 <ochosi> i've just gotten better at using apt since then

 22:21 <bluesabre> :D

 22:21 <Unit193> Oh, I don't have it installed, I just get to see "I removed 'mail' in software center and now Xubuntu doesn't start, what happened?" in #xubuntu.

 22:22 <ochosi> lol

 22:22 <bluesabre> That should be fixed now, but not for some of the active releases

 22:23 <bluesabre> Exo 0.12.3

 22:23 <bluesabre> !info exo-utils bionic

 22:23 <ubottu> exo-utils (source: exo): Utility files for libexo. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.2-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 (bionic), package size 45 kB, installed size 162 kB

 22:23 <bluesabre> !info exo-utils cosmic

 22:23 <ubottu> exo-utils (source: exo): Utility files for libexo. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.2-1 (cosmic), package size 45 kB, installed size 162 kB

 22:23 <bluesabre> !info exo-utils disco

 22:23 <ubottu> exo-utils (source: exo): Utility files for libexo. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.4-1 (disco), package size 45 kB, installed size 180 kB

 22:23 <bluesabre> well

 22:23 <bluesabre> So, disco users are happy

 22:24 <ochosi> disco dancers too

 22:25 <bluesabre> So, anything more to discuss for now?

 22:25 <ochosi> upstream we don't care enough about application metadata, that's also an area to improve...

 22:25 <ochosi> but not much we can do downstream imo

 22:25 <ochosi> no, i think for eoan we're fine

 22:25 <ochosi> we should probably schedule a meeting for e+1 soonish

 22:26 <bluesabre> Yeah, was thinking about getting one set up the following week

 22:26 <bluesabre> So it begins...

 22:26 <bluesabre> > Builds: Xubuntu Desktop amd64 [Eoan Final] (20191012) has been added

 22:27 <ochosi> i'll be afk the last week of october

 22:27 <ochosi> just fyi

 22:27 <bluesabre> alrighty

 22:28 <bluesabre> #topic Schedule next meeting

 22:28 <bluesabre> ochosi: want to take it, or should I just run with it :)

 22:29 <ochosi> i

 22:29 <ochosi> i'd say run with it

 22:29 <ochosi> since i almost scheduled the meeting tonight ;)

 22:29 <bluesabre> lol

 22:29 <bluesabre> #action bluesabre to schedule next meeting

 22:29 * meetingology bluesabre to schedule next meeting

 22:29 <bluesabre> #endmeeting



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