21:58 <bluesabre> #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting
21:58 <meetingology> Meeting started Sat Oct 12 21:58:35 2019 UTC.  The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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21:58 <bluesabre> Surprise!
21:58 <bluesabre> !team | anybody around for a quick meeting?
21:58 <ubottu> anybody around for a quick meeting?: team is akxwi-dave, bluesabre, jjfrv8, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193
22:00 <bluesabre> #chair ochosi
22:00 <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre ochosi
22:00 <bluesabre> #chair Unit193
22:00 <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre ochosi
22:01 <ochosi> new motto: "better to have an impromptu meeting with a few people than no meetings at all"
22:01 <bluesabre> :D
22:01 <bluesabre> Works for me
22:01 <bluesabre> #topic Open action items
22:01 <bluesabre> #done bluesabre to replace light-locker with xfce4-screensaver in eoan
22:01 <ochosi> noice
22:01 <bluesabre> #done bluesabre to mail the mailing list to discuss additional keyboard shortcuts
22:02 <bluesabre> #done bluesabre to mail the team regarding the GTK styles in GIMP (noting GTK used to be default)
22:02 <bluesabre> #done bluesabre to email a team vote for color emoji support in Xubuntu
22:02 <bluesabre> never got to it: bluesabre to work on improving "starting point" documentation for dev/QA
22:02 <bluesabre> never got to it: bluesabre to reach out to other flavors to improve shared documentation
22:03 <ochosi> i guess dev docs could be an upstream topic
22:03 <ochosi> at least i wouldn't duplicate the effort
22:03 <ochosi> and upstream could really use some time spent on that, and then we could simply link to it
22:03 <bluesabre> Yeah
22:03 <bluesabre> GIMP: GTK theme, got +4 / -0
22:04 <bluesabre> Color emoji: +3 / -1
22:05 <bluesabre> Keyboard shortcuts: Added Super+L for locking, Super+D for show desktop
22:05 <bluesabre> #topic Updates and announcements
22:06 <bluesabre> ochosi: Definitely in favor for upstream docs
22:06 <ochosi> i guess we got both 4.14 patch releases (settings, panel) into eoan?
22:06 <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, pretty sure
22:06 <bluesabre> !info xfce4-settings eoan
22:06 <ochosi> that's pretty neat
22:06 <ubottu> xfce4-settings (source: xfce4-settings): graphical application for managing Xfce settings. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.14.1-1ubuntu1 (eoan), package size 565 kB, installed size 3535 kB
22:06 <bluesabre> !info xfce4-panel eoan
22:06 <ubottu> xfce4-panel (source: xfce4-panel): panel for Xfce4 desktop environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.14.1-0ubuntu1 (eoan), package size 623 kB, installed size 3599 kB
22:07 <ochosi> i think i was the only one doing patch releases so far
22:07 <ochosi> so that should be it
22:07 <bluesabre> #info Xfce 4.14 released, available in 19.10
22:07 <bluesabre> #info Root ZFS installation now available with the 19.10 daily image
22:08 <bluesabre> I don't think I have any other announcements
22:08 <ochosi> me neither
22:08 <ochosi> i guess we won't push any further patch releases of 4.14 into eoan
22:09 <bluesabre> #info 19.10 to be released this coming Thursday (10/17), let's test it this week!
22:09 <bluesabre> Yeah, at least without them being SRU
22:09 <ochosi> unless they fix something critical which has yet to be discovered (4.14 is going suprisingly smooth in terms of critical bug reports)
22:10 <bluesabre> Indeed, we did a good job with our years of slower-pace development and 6 months of rapid development ;)
22:10 <ochosi> haha
22:10 <bluesabre> So with no other announcements...
22:10 <ochosi> that may be the new methodology to supersede "agile" :D
22:10 <bluesabre> #topic Discussion
22:11 <bluesabre> It's been a pretty quiet development cycle on the Xubuntu side of things
22:11 <ochosi> yeah, as long as you ignore upstream efforts
22:11 <ochosi> my time was pretty bound by that
22:12 <bluesabre> Same, was pretty on it with Xfce up until September, then I was on personal stuff for a month
22:13 <bluesabre> knome: for the record, I am a fan of the new wallpaper (as usual). Dig the colors!
22:14 <bluesabre> I think we'll need to dig in and do a good round of planning in the next couple weeks, 20.04 is an LTS
22:14 <ochosi> indeed
22:14 <ochosi> although tbh i wouldn't change much about the 4.14 stuff
22:14 <bluesabre> There's probably a few upstream changes we should bring down, like the pathbar
22:14 <ochosi> pathbar?
22:15 <bluesabre> in thunar
22:15 <bluesabre> Instead of text entry
22:16 <ochosi> oh dear
22:16 <bluesabre> Not sure what other goodies there were yet :D
22:16 <ochosi> i thought there was only that one now
22:16 <ochosi> doesn't make much sense to me to keep both around tbh
22:17 <bluesabre> Yeah
22:17 <bluesabre> This is the default, https://imgur.com/itmSy7N.png
22:17 <ochosi> meh
22:17 <ochosi> ok, yeah, we should for sure switch
22:18 <bluesabre> Otherwise, probably lots of papercut bugs to fix
22:18 <ochosi> yeah
22:18 <ochosi> tbh we could review some apps again
22:19 <ochosi> i'd still like to get rid of gnome software for the fact that it keeps running in the background
22:19 <ochosi> but i guess there is still no alternative to it
22:20 <bluesabre> It gets a little bit better each cycle, but yeah... it's still not particularly great (and not up to where software-center was)
22:20 <Unit193> Still can't really find things, isn't so good in general.
22:21 <ochosi> yeah, i also have to agree with that
22:21 <ochosi> i've just gotten better at using apt since then
22:21 <bluesabre> :D
22:21 <Unit193> Oh, I don't have it installed, I just get to see "I removed 'mail' in software center and now Xubuntu doesn't start, what happened?" in #xubuntu.
22:22 <ochosi> lol
22:22 <bluesabre> That should be fixed now, but not for some of the active releases
22:23 <bluesabre> Exo 0.12.3
22:23 <bluesabre> !info exo-utils bionic
22:23 <ubottu> exo-utils (source: exo): Utility files for libexo. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.2-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 (bionic), package size 45 kB, installed size 162 kB
22:23 <bluesabre> !info exo-utils cosmic
22:23 <ubottu> exo-utils (source: exo): Utility files for libexo. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.2-1 (cosmic), package size 45 kB, installed size 162 kB
22:23 <bluesabre> !info exo-utils disco
22:23 <ubottu> exo-utils (source: exo): Utility files for libexo. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.4-1 (disco), package size 45 kB, installed size 180 kB
22:23 <bluesabre> well
22:23 <bluesabre> So, disco users are happy
22:24 <ochosi> disco dancers too
22:25 <bluesabre> So, anything more to discuss for now?
22:25 <ochosi> upstream we don't care enough about application metadata, that's also an area to improve...
22:25 <ochosi> but not much we can do downstream imo
22:25 <ochosi> no, i think for eoan we're fine
22:25 <ochosi> we should probably schedule a meeting for e+1 soonish
22:26 <bluesabre> Yeah, was thinking about getting one set up the following week
22:26 <bluesabre> So it begins...
22:26 <bluesabre> > Builds: Xubuntu Desktop amd64 [Eoan Final] (20191012) has been added
22:27 <ochosi> i'll be afk the last week of october
22:27 <ochosi> just fyi
22:27 <bluesabre> alrighty
22:28 <bluesabre> #topic Schedule next meeting
22:28 <bluesabre> ochosi: want to take it, or should I just run with it :)
22:29 <ochosi> i
22:29 <ochosi> i'd say run with it
22:29 <ochosi> since i almost scheduled the meeting tonight ;)
22:29 <bluesabre> lol
22:29 <bluesabre> #action bluesabre to schedule next meeting
22:29 * meetingology bluesabre to schedule next meeting
22:29 <bluesabre> #endmeeting