== Meeting information == * #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu community meeting, 09 Sep at 22:00 — 22:53 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2016/xubuntu-devel.2016-09-09-22.00.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Open Action Items === The discussion about "Open Action Items" started at 22:03. === Updates and Announcements === The discussion about "Updates and Announcements" started at 22:05. * The Xubuntu council is Sean Davis (bluesabre) - chair, Pasi Lallinaho (knome) and Simon Steinbeiß (ochosi) * UIFE this week * Doc String Freeze next week * Final Beta (which Xubuntu is participating in) on September 22nd, freeze on September 19 * ''ACTION:'' flocculant to look at docs and make sure everything is up-to-date * ''ACTION:'' knome to look at installer slideshow and make sure everyting is up-to-date * ''ACTION:'' knome updates the contributor docs and pushes changes live === Discussion === The discussion about "Discussion" started at 22:13. * '''Thunar''' (22:14) * ''ACTION:'' bluesabre to prepare testing of other file manager options throughout the Z cycle * ''ACTION:'' bluesabre and Unit193 to write a report of the state of Thunar (eg. which patches we carry and what they should do) and make sure all of them are in a PPA * '''Other Topics''' (22:33) === Schedule Next Meeting === The discussion about "Schedule Next Meeting" started at 22:53. * knome to schedule next meeting * ''ACTION:'' knome to schedule next meeting == Vote results == == Action items, by person == * bluesabre * bluesabre to prepare testing of other file manager options throughout the Z cycle * bluesabre and Unit193 to write a report of the state of Thunar (eg. which patches we carry and what they should do) and make sure all of them are in a PPA * flocculant * flocculant to look at docs and make sure everything is up-to-date * knome * knome to look at installer slideshow and make sure everyting is up-to-date * knome updates the contributor docs and pushes changes live * knome to schedule next meeting * Unit193 * bluesabre and Unit193 to write a report of the state of Thunar (eg. which patches we carry and what they should do) and make sure all of them are in a PPA == Done items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * flocculant (94) * bluesabre (94) * knome (77) * ochosi (37) * meetingology (19) * pleia2 (4) * Unit193 (3) * ubottu (1) == Full Log == 22:00 #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting 22:00 Meeting started Fri Sep 9 22:00:26 2016 UTC. The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 22:00 22:00 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 22:00 Who's around? 22:00 fairly round 22:01 #chair flocculant 22:01 Current chairs: bluesabre flocculant 22:01 * flocculant always forgets that 22:01 !team | meeting time 22:01 meeting time: akxwi-dave, bluesabre, dkessel, flocculant, jjfrv8, knome, krytarik, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 22:02 o/ 22:02 o/ 22:02 hi pleia2 :) 22:02 #chair knome 22:02 Current chairs: bluesabre flocculant knome 22:02 #chair pleia2 22:02 Current chairs: bluesabre flocculant knome pleia2 22:02 loads of chairs 22:02 plenty! 22:02 :D 22:03 o/ 22:03 surprised so many are here 22:03 #chair ochosi 22:03 Current chairs: bluesabre flocculant knome ochosi pleia2 22:03 +1 22:03 where are all the sofas? 22:03 just join the chairs 22:03 I'm too cheap for that 22:03 ;) 22:03 lets get started then 22:03 Unit193 was here - suddenly disappeared :p 22:03 #topic Open Action Items 22:04 ochosi to announc opening nominations for Xubuntu Council with timeline 22:04 well, that's gone and passed :D 22:04 oh, i guess that is done :) 22:04 \o/ 22:04 last meeting was a while back :D 22:05 #topic Updates and Announcements 22:05 #info The Xubuntu council is Sean Davis (bluesabre) - chair, Pasi Lallinaho (knome) and Simon Steinbeiß (ochosi) 22:06 thanks flocculant for running the whole election thingy! 22:06 yes, thank you 22:06 and for the XSD part too 22:06 welcome ofc 22:06 The Xubuntu Council are 22:06 ... 22:06 (reminds me nobody whined about the latest changes, should push them live) 22:06 :p 22:06 thanks flocculant ! 22:06 knome: yea - works for me 22:07 nobody not referring to flocculant only :P 22:07 #info UIFE this week 22:07 was 22:07 #info Doc String Freeze next week 22:07 yeah, that ^ blows a little 22:07 we still have some UI changes ahead 22:07 that's fine 22:07 i can take the paperwork 22:07 i guess i'll do some minor Greybird tweaks if i get to it (mostly removing padding and fixing small things) 22:08 and the wallpaper still needs to go live 22:08 yeah, it needs to be finished and polished 22:08 ochosi: like the minor issue with the installer? 22:08 cos that looks horrid :( 22:08 on the subject of doc string freeze 22:09 #info Final Beta (which Xubuntu is participating in) on September 22nd, freeze on September 19 22:09 we should make sure we don't have anything out-of-date on the docs 22:09 and update the installer slideshow as well 22:09 knome: I can do a run through on at least docs this weekend 22:09 i collected from david's mail he's not going to be around until october 22:09 yea 22:10 flocculant, great, if you find anything that needs updating, just send a mail to the devel list directly 22:10 flocculant: yeah, also like that one 22:10 i'll look at the installer slideshow and do the same 22:10 knome: rather than do an mp? 22:10 flocculant: although that's not really UIFe material, more a bugfix 22:10 flocculant, well if you are up to doing the changes, then obviously MP is better :) 22:10 ochosi: yea - just wanted to make sure it's in the pipeline is all :) 22:11 flocculant: well pipeline is maybe a bit too strong, let's put it this way: i have it on the radar ;) 22:11 * flocculant hates his Physical Graffiti cover being just slightly out of whack too :p 22:11 yakkety has the same version of slideshow as xenial, so no upload is done there yet 22:11 #action flocculant to look at docs and make sure everything is up-to-date 22:11 * meetingology flocculant to look at docs and make sure everything is up-to-date 22:11 knome: ack mp - just wondered is why m/l :) 22:11 #action knome to look at installer slideshow and make sure everyting is up-to-date 22:11 * meetingology knome to look at installer slideshow and make sure everyting is up-to-date 22:12 thing too, but who cares 22:12 and yea ochosi I get that :) 22:12 any other action items? 22:12 oh, well 22:12 any other updates or announcements? 22:12 #action knome updates the contributor docs and pushes changes lice 22:12 * meetingology knome updates the contributor docs and pushes changes lice 22:12 #undo 22:12 Removing item from minutes: ACTION 22:12 #action knome updates the contributor docs and pushes changes live 22:12 * meetingology knome updates the contributor docs and pushes changes live 22:12 sigh 22:12 lice \o/ 22:13 awesome :p 22:13 lice /o\ 22:13 <- no kids at school finally 22:13 :D 22:13 <- no kids yet 22:13 i think the ups and anns are there 22:13 yep 22:13 moving on 22:13 #topic Discussion 22:14 #subtopic Thunar 22:14 flocculant added this item... :) 22:14 imagine that ... 22:14 so then - during xenial the sentiment was basically this 22:15 "xfce don't have anyone to test it - we should - and hope things get fixed" 22:15 doesn't appear to be happening 22:15 indeed 22:15 xfce has picked up new contributors lately though 22:15 bluesabre: do you still feel "flocculant, yeah... thunar isn't getting better (even in y), and I'm not opposed to moving to a different file manager, but that suggestion tends to rock the boat a bit" 22:15 there are some new patches around, but we've had some negative tests within our team 22:16 bluesabre, do you know if those patches have worked for anybody? 22:16 because frankly while it might be ok to test things between LTS - we've landed that on LTS 22:16 knome, those patches have worked for the folks commenting on the bug report at least 22:16 and now is when we should start thinking about tomorrow 22:16 bluesabre: well I can easily enough comment there that it doesn't work for me on either 16.04 or 16.10 22:17 flocculant, I still feel that, and now might be the best time to start the discussion into the next cycle 22:17 which makes the core 0 22:17 that gives me hope... there is somebody working on patches and they are fixing some issues for some people 22:17 knome: for how long do we wait doing nothing and just hoping? 22:17 6 months? 12? the next LTS for 3 years? 22:18 i don't know, but the fact is that the bugs are present in 16.04 22:18 perhaps us moving would make people take notice of the fact that thunar isn't very well and ignored 22:18 the problem seems to stem from the fact that Thunar does not have a single active maintainer... we get patches that fix a few things, but the overall issue seems unresolved 22:18 easy enough to move around now (I assume) than in the last 6 months of the LTS to LTS cycle 22:18 i'm not sure if that would add to the motivation to fix thunar though 22:18 it probably requires a much larger effort 22:19 team members, opinions please? 22:19 interestingly i came across a gtk3 port of thunar on github 22:19 so there seems to be some activity even outside of the xfce team 22:19 does it fix the issues we are experiencing? 22:19 the same thing happened with the terminal btw, i also managed to reel in a new contributor through contacting him about his port on github 22:20 i'll try to do the same thing again here, but obviously no promises 22:20 i haven't tested the port, so i can't say if it fixes the bug 22:20 i'm pretty sure it's not final so it probably has other issues that we would rather avoid 22:20 please don't anyone get me wrong here - I'd rather we used thunar - but we shouldn't be handing out half-fixed software if we can help it 22:20 of course 22:20 flocculant: yeah, i get that 22:20 yep 22:20 and you're right, now is the best time to discuss 22:21 My opinion is, we should start weighting other options, and if we're still having these same issues into Z, we employ those options early in the cycle and get some feedback 22:21 bluesabre: sounds fair 22:21 yeah, sounds reasonable 22:21 and I'll have some time for a cycle so I could come up with some roadmap type thing for options on that 22:22 okay, that sounds good to me 22:22 so if someone wants to word that we can action me for it 22:22 #action bluesabre to prepare testing of other file manager options 22:22 * meetingology bluesabre to prepare testing of other file manager options 22:23 I assume we could change throughout the Z cycle here? 22:23 #undo 22:23 Removing item from minutes: ACTION 22:23 #action bluesabre to prepare testing of other file manager options throughout the Z cycle 22:23 * meetingology bluesabre to prepare testing of other file manager options throughout the Z cycle 22:23 eg if foo was really pants we could change to bar? 22:23 bluesabre: I offered :p 22:23 We can (and should) move around to different options if the ones we try are a no-go 22:24 k 22:24 "Hey I like this", "Hey its eats my desktop", "Hey, lets try that instead" 22:24 :D 22:24 okey doke 22:25 Anything else we want to discuss about thunar? 22:25 one thing 22:25 I'm not at all sure what patches we actually have in thunar 22:26 are there some that 'could' help we don't have - if so - could we have a completely plastered up one in a ppa somewhere? 22:26 so we make Unit193 write a report on where we stand with it? 22:26 flocculant: yeah, an overview of that would be useful 22:26 also with which patch is supposed to do what 22:26 current patch filenames 22:26 knome: that's the price of being in -ooftopic I guess :p 22:26 0001-Don-t-copy-templates-but-create-them-bug-8312.patch 22:26 01_support-non-multiarch-modules.patch 22:26 02_Fix-crashes-when-reloading-target-file-after-move.patch 22:26 03_Fixing-missing-return-value-in-standard-view.patch 22:26 Check-if-a-thunar-file-is-still-valid-before-reloading.patch 22:26 (if we don't have that in the names of the patches) 22:26 which apparently we do :D 22:27 There is one we don't have. 22:27 so as Unit193 is not opposing, i take it as approving.. 22:27 bluesabre: quick - chair Unit193 :p 22:27 #chair Unit193 22:27 Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre flocculant knome ochosi pleia2 22:27 lol 22:27 heh 22:27 #action bluesabre and Unit193 to write a report of the state of Thunar (eg. which patches we carry and what they should do) and make sure all of them are in a PPA 22:27 * meetingology bluesabre and Unit193 to write a report of the state of Thunar (eg. which patches we carry and what they should do) and make sure all of them are in a PPA 22:28 works for me 22:28 knome: I dunno, I see patch, I try it, it seems to help, I accidentally push it to the repo and thus we get stuck with a wrong filename. 22:28 Unit193, and next you paste a link to an image where a dog flies a helicopter? 22:28 Yes! 22:29 :D 22:29 we're probably thunar'd away now 22:29 bluesabre: so would you like some sort of 'this file-manager' adds this much bytes to image - or are we not to concerned about that at the moment? 22:30 I'd guess not currently 22:30 i don't think the size is very much the problem 22:30 flocculant, not particularly worried about that 22:30 if the file manager works and is generally lightweight, then who cares what the size is? 22:30 obviously dolphin is out ;) 22:30 ha ha ha 22:30 unless the council approves it 22:30 the SD says something about qt 22:31 yes 22:31 and k - was just back in we need to save x KBs for a bit there 22:31 but that can be council'd away too 22:31 the new version also says the council can overrule if it's sensible 22:31 the new catch-phrase: "to council away" 22:31 \o/ 22:32 too many new phrases... I have to change "to flocculant" to "to akxwi-dave" soon 22:32 hah 22:33 bluesabre, you mean to a-nxvpwmlkdgnkd-dave 22:33 :) 22:33 I'll change nicks - then akxwi-dave can alias flocculant to akxwi-dave :p 22:33 #subtopic Other Topics 22:33 quick one here 22:33 Anything else that needs discussed (thats not in the Agenda)? 22:34 depends on if knome does a meeting next week or not? 22:34 * flocculant waits 22:34 i can do if people need/want 22:34 well I just want to quickly run through beta 22:34 otoh, there's many of us here today... 22:34 so nothing to stop us doing that now 22:34 let's do it now 22:35 We'll definitely want a meeting prior to the beta (Sep 22) 22:35 bluesabre, mon 19 maybe? 22:35 bluesabre: well we need the meeting prior to freeze which is Monday/Tuesday 22:35 ok 22:35 so let's schedule one for later next week 22:35 s/22/19/ 22:35 alrighty 22:36 #topic Schedule Next Meeting 22:36 could we perhaps weekend it? 22:36 hmmh. 22:36 maybe, i can't promise yet 22:36 mmk 22:36 oh, just a small announcement from my side: i'm completely afk from sept 19 to sept 29 22:36 nice... 22:36 not that you really need me now that you can council away things 22:36 or was it italy? 22:36 :P 22:37 well I'll be sending stuff out to testers 'soon' re beta to wake them up 22:37 10 days to spam ochosi with greybird/elementary-xfce bugs 22:37 #undo 22:37 Removing item from minutes: TOPIC 22:37 let's just go through the beta now, right? 22:37 akxwi-dave and I will be checking release note 22:37 bluesabre: yeah, time to spam me and get *nothing* fixed ;) 22:37 we can still have the meeting next week 22:37 but just in case 22:37 alrighty 22:37 good idea :) 22:38 and I'll be doing the obligatory 'I hope people from 'team' will be testing for us ;) 22:38 hopefully we'll get more people - they've had most of the cycle off 22:38 and hopefully they'll not find bugs 22:39 not sure I need to say much more than that :) 22:39 oki 22:39 :D 22:39 poke me/pleia2 about social mediaing 22:39 * pleia2 nods 22:40 knome: yep 22:40 I'll go through and cleanup dev blueprints this weekend, give us a more realistic idea of where dev is in the cycle 22:40 * flocculant notes the pleia2 nod :) 22:40 bluesabre, fantastic 22:41 flocculant, feel free to ping me with priority bugs 22:41 from memory - testing has been me/Dave and nairwolf this cycle 22:41 bluesabre: yup 22:41 I will ;) 22:41 bluesabre, you mean the grasshoppers that are taking the first class flight? 22:42 bluesabre: I need to dig webcam out - and see how that's fairing given that parole is working with clutter now, unless someone with a laptop can ... 22:42 knome, or the grasshoppers that are bird food 22:42 bluesabre, how's that "priority" though? :P 22:42 flocculant, I should be able to test it 22:42 running yak and cheese at least works 22:42 flocculant: oh it is? that's quite awesome news then 22:42 bluesabre: obviously I missed mugshot from that sentence ... 22:42 i was afraid clutter was deemed 22:43 doomed i mean 22:43 weird typo 22:43 ochosi: seems to be - works ok here 22:43 deemed doomed 22:43 * ochosi should go to bed 22:43 flocculant, (mugshot is built on libcheese) 22:43 bluesabre: mmm - ok so not clutter - not sure why I was getting that confused then 22:43 flocculant, and cheese is built on clutter 22:43 sorry for all that :D 22:44 anyway - still needs to be checked 22:44 troll 22:44 bluesabre: so what you mean is 'it could possibly work now parole does' :p 22:44 ochosi, pretty sure its still going to get shuttered 22:44 flocculant, yes, those are the words that were supposed to fldfksfjdfls 22:44 :) 22:45 ochosi, what greybird updates might we expect in time for the beta (so we know what to watch for)? 22:46 bluesabre: hard to say, depends on how much sleep i need in the next few days 22:46 oh - quick note re release notes - gonna not report any vbox/vm issues - just some 1 liner to cover the possibility 22:46 guess i have to make a list and prioritise 22:47 flocculant, sounds fair 22:47 flocculant, yeah, I wonder if we can get vbox-related things in the ubuntu release notes and just link directly to them 22:47 bluesabre: they don't really care if it's not qemu/kvm 22:47 since the desktop team agrees that they expect it to not be a good situation :) 22:47 bluesabre: i would say: don't expect much, porting greybird to 3.20 sucked out quite a bit of energy and will to live from me, so i might need more breathing space before i tackle your issues 22:48 ochosi, no problemo, I might even feel inspired to investigate it myself and send you some PRs 22:48 bluesabre: that'd be nice 22:48 bluesabre: and I'd also like to lose because if I end up having wiki issues - the release note will be on x.wiki :| 22:48 (but expect nothing) 22:49 flocculant, sure 22:49 anything else beta-wise? 22:50 I'm all done :) 22:50 currewntly 22:50 (for 2 minutes) 22:50 knome, anything? 22:50 pleia2, (you're so quiet!) anything? 22:50 bluesabre: bit longer - we've not built tomorrow's image yet:p 22:51 :) 22:51 nope 22:51 Unit193, ochosi ? 22:52 nothing from my side 22:52 Looks like we're done then. :) 22:53 #topic Schedule Next Meeting 22:53 #info knome to schedule next meeting 22:53 actually 22:53 #action knome to schedule next meeting 22:53 * meetingology knome to schedule next meeting 22:53 nope 22:53 i will 22:53 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)