== Meeting information == * #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu community meeting, 26 Jul at 20:00 — 21:03 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2016/xubuntu-devel.2016-07-26-20.00.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Open action items === The discussion about "Open action items" started at 20:01. === Updates and Announcements === The discussion about "Updates and Announcements" started at 20:06. * ochosi is wrapping up the gtk 3.20 Greybird port * GTK 3.20 will be included in yakkety probably sometime next week === Discussion items === The discussion about "Discussion items" started at 20:08. * '''Xubuntu QA (flocculant)''' (20:08) * ''LINK:'' https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-qa/+members#active * ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-July/011231.html * ''LINK:'' https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-y-council * ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-May/011194.html * ''ACTION:'' bluesabre and flocculant to reword the SD to formalize the council. === Announcements === The discussion about "Announcements" started at 21:01. * upcoming date, Feature Freeze August 18th == Vote results == == Action items, by person == * bluesabre * bluesabre and flocculant to reword the SD to formalize the council. * flocculant * bluesabre and flocculant to reword the SD to formalize the council. == Done items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * flocculant (115) * knome (77) * bluesabre (33) * krytarik (28) * akxwi-dave (20) * pleia2 (20) * meetingology (4) * Unit193 (1) == Full Log == 20:00 #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting 20:00 Meeting started Tue Jul 26 20:00:01 2016 UTC. The chair is krytarik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 20:00 20:00 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 20:00 Howdy and welcome to the Xubuntu community meeting. Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings 20:00 So anyone here? 20:00 o/ 20:00 o/ 20:00 o7 20:01 #topic Open action items 20:01 o/ 20:01 I just see items from knome and ochosi here. 20:02 that's all done 20:02 wut 20:02 except the jenkins stuff from ochosi 20:02 why's krytarik running the meeting lol 20:03 krytarik is Unit193 currently, maybe 20:03 ohi 20:04 knome: 'initialize voting on the council proposal on devel ML (week from now)' too? 20:04 yes, the council proposal... 20:04 not the council 20:04 note that the last meeting was in may 20:05 Okay, we can carry on unless you'd like to #done something. 20:05 I think we are surely now in a place to move on? 20:05 let's move on.. 20:05 eg my last mail on that 20:05 let me know what I can do to move that forward 20:05 no no knome 20:05 wut? :) 20:05 if anything 20:05 not move on - but move on on the council thing :) 20:06 we have their approval 20:06 yes, move on the council, and move on on the meeting too 20:06 #topic Updates and Announcements 20:06 og good lord 20:06 Next one I see is in Aug, FF so nothing soon. 20:07 ochosi is wrapping up the gtk 3.20 Greybird port 20:07 bluesabre, #info? 20:07 #info ochosi is wrapping up the gtk 3.20 Greybird port 20:07 Oh, and Debian picked up the Shimmer themes, splitting them out into separate packages. 20:08 #info GTK 3.20 will be included in yakkety probably sometime next week 20:08 aiui 20:08 #topic Discussion items 20:08 #subtopic Xubuntu QA (flocculant) 20:10 so what's happening about the council thing then? 20:10 flocculant, the list of tasks you posted on the mailing list 20:11 flocculant: That can be the next topic, if knome has something. 20:11 knome: ok 20:11 krytarik: ok 20:11 flocculant, i mean, i thought we had set the plans up already, we even have a blueprint :) 20:11 yea right ... blueprints .... 20:11 ok 20:11 :) 20:12 so QA thing is pretty simple - I assume people present have read the mail? 20:12 Yes. 20:12 yes 20:12 for the records in irc 20:12 I need a break. 20:12 Team have been sent a private mail atm detailing that. 20:13 I've not completely gone - in fact I will be here as much as I am now. 20:13 * pleia2 hugs flocculant 20:13 ack 20:13 breaks are good 20:13 flocculant, thanks for *everything* you have done so far 20:13 indeed! 20:13 but I'll not be mving things in the zeppedy zaphod zycle 20:13 +10000 20:13 (and sorry for being too ignorant at times - probably more often than not) 20:13 sorry hexchat had crashed 20:14 akxwi-dave, no problem... you just dodged a lot of things being auto-assigned to you :P 20:14 I'm happy to come back - but the remaining members of team need to decide that with akxwi-dave 20:14 (just kidding) 20:14 :-) 20:14 wb akxwi-dave 20:14 ok seems missed a bit 20:14 it *is* a poisoned-chalice 20:14 akxwi-dave: not really 20:14 so to have some kind of plan 20:15 we're participating in beta2, right? 20:15 akxwi-dave: you have the irc pm and mail I assume 20:15 knome: I'll be here till the end of YY 20:15 that's why I am doing this now :) 20:15 knome: yes for B2 20:15 so we can plan ;) 20:15 hey if I can survive 25 years of marriage ... :-) 20:15 flocculant, sure :) 20:15 flocculant: much appreciated 20:15 yes got the email anmd your pm this dinner 20:15 2 seconds here 20:15 1 20:15 2 20:16 :D 20:16 just want people to understand that I am still here - and depending on what we do for the next cycle - I'll be about as needed 20:16 mhm 20:16 sounds reasonable to me 20:16 indeed 20:17 I don't care what we do - either muddle along for a cycle, let Dave run it, don't 20:17 * bluesabre gears up for unending development next cycle 20:17 I'm cool with it all 20:17 re: plan, if there's anybody that is interested in running qa stuff with flocculant this cycle, and potentially leading next cycle, now's a good time to talk :) 20:17 *cough* akxwi-dave *cough* 20:17 ;P 20:18 I'll be about for the next cycle still unless it all looks better - at which point there's no point in going backwARDS 20:18 ohhhh ok as long as you get me that kfc 20:18 oops 20:18 heh 20:18 Doesn't QA currently contain flocculant, akxwi-dave, and slickymaster? 20:19 i'm on the team as well... granted, not very active 20:19 https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-qa/+members#active 20:20 though i try to see my position to be an enabler... eg. making sure QA can have stuff they want on the status tracker 20:20 (where possible and realistic) 20:20 * knome saves his bottom ^ 20:20 good getout 20:20 * bluesabre claps 20:20 just for the record 20:21 QA as active is akxwi-dave and me 20:21 yeah, slickymaster has been away from all stuff lately, even docs 20:21 but akxwi-dave has been rather trained in the last few months :P 20:22 he would certainly get a vote from me as a team member 20:22 i'd agree with that 20:22 same here 20:22 and he would certainly get all the help he needed from me 20:22 Well, from me, I would be willing to stand in for a cycle, until flocculant come to his senses and comes back 20:22 but 20:22 akxwi-dave: \o/ 20:22 indeed, huzzah for akxwi-dave 20:23 and flocculant! 20:23 yes 20:23 if after doing it for a cycle - and deciding he wanted to carry on - I would not ever be in for any sort of fight 20:23 hahah :) 20:23 bluesabre: he's obviusly already got my vote ;) 20:24 I'd then leave team of course 20:24 I'm pretty sure he has everyone's vote. I thought he was in team. 20:24 * bluesabre looks to train flocculant for dev next cycle 20:25 krytarik, that's because he is. 20:25 ;) 20:25 :-) 20:25 Oh good, so my memory is only half failing. 20:25 * krytarik hides. 20:25 krytarik: he is in team - that was the WHOLE point of -qa 20:25 bluesabre, not the right time to say this, but i wrote my first (working) python script today... 20:25 krytarik: now I'm really not sure which you are lol 20:25 knome: congrats! 20:26 \o/ 20:26 grats as well 20:26 So looks like nothing more on this topic. 20:26 akxwi-dave: you need to sort out irc constant to deal with the non-yorkshire people :p 20:27 krytarik: one more thing 20:27 :-) 20:28 starts to look for his rasp-pi 20:28 can people please give akxwi-dave more real support than I have had when it really matters, I cannot say this enough nor loud enough - but if QA asks people to test something and people from Xubuntu Team don't bother - why the hell should they? It REALLY is not rocket science. 20:29 krytarik: and now you can move on ;) 20:29 I'll continue to do my best 20:29 same here - and i think that's the most one can promise... 20:29 pleia2 and everyone else: everyone does - but it is usually about 5% - you can test an iso in a vm 20:30 And of course, try to remember to report when you do. 20:30 or it is pointless 20:30 i always report when my test is appropriate for testing 20:30 No other topics? If not, announcements. 20:31 did we briefly brush over not getting anywhere with council ? 20:31 what we should try to do is getting random "testers" do valid tests and report them instead of telling us "it works" on the mailing list or social media 20:31 (but it's easier said than done) 20:32 or "it doesn't work but I don't want to submit a bug report" on list :\ 20:32 not sure what to do with that 20:32 flocculant, i'd still say the roadmap for that is in our knowledge, and now we just need to do things as we got the ACK from CC 20:32 flocculant, i've been AFK and busy so haven't been able to work on it after the ack, but i'll be on it as soon as i have time 20:32 thanks knome 20:33 knome: yea ok but 20:33 for the record: 20:33 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-July/011231.html 20:33 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-y-council 20:33 afaik we need to do the things I said then - shouldn't be hard 20:34 flocculant, nope 20:34 and I think we need to action them 20:34 and 20:34 pointless action anyone but knome for item 1 or it will just be interminable discussion and mails till it does 20:34 so 20:35 action knome point 1 20:35 I am happy to argue once we have draft :p 20:36 :) 20:36 possibly worded that harshly 20:37 not what I meant at all lol 20:37 np 20:37 I think it's understood 20:37 progress is +1 20:37 yep 20:37 well it is - just didn't meant it to sound harsh - the sentiment is right :) 20:38 if Xubuntu hasn't sorted this thing out soon, then I will nominate and then not be able to vote ;) 20:38 and it should be easy 20:38 really easy 20:38 i think we all agree on the general direction, and just need the more literal version for the strategy document 20:39 I did similar with the forum and that had 200k currents 20:39 once somebody (who can be me or somebody else) has the time to write that down, i think it's another easy vote 20:39 knome: yea - it's about bullet points from the mail I am sure 20:39 yep 20:39 in order 20:40 so 'power of statement' dilutes 20:40 the power should always lay in the hands of 'team' 20:41 they 'give' council power and should be able to wrest it away in times of duress 20:41 everything else should be 'tasks' 20:43 does that make sense to people? 20:43 cos - all quiet .... 20:44 sorry taking a long drink of IPA 20:44 i'm having problems focusing because $other_things 20:44 and yes.. 20:44 (which is why a long pause in replying too) 20:44 I admit, I wasn't really prepared for this topic 20:45 sounds reasonable 20:45 so I'll reread things to catch up, but it's hard for me to speak to anything right now 20:45 pleia2: it's been bubbling around for ages 20:45 flocculant: yes, I know, which is why I don't know what the state is 20:45 the state was "waiting on CC's ACK" for a long time, like a few weeks 20:45 pleia2: though it's not stated specifically 20:46 and as everybody agreed with the general direction, i don't know why they wouldn't agree with the final literal form 20:46 pleia2: recenttish was ack 20:46 i mean, i don't intend to add or remove any subject matter to/from it 20:46 but then there has been no response from anyone at all for 4 days 20:46 at all 20:47 hard to know if that's a 20:47 if somebody thinks something should be done, then they should have raised up concerns earlier, or do it now 20:47 carry on 20:47 sto] 20:47 stop 20:47 pleia2: and I don't mean that I expect immediate responses either 20:48 oh, I assumed we were just moving forward, my slience was assent 20:48 but neither have we had any 'wth is going on' responses 20:48 we have a blueprint for this, it's moving in the correct direction 20:48 pleia2: I played that game with the FC :p 20:48 hence the portion you liked ;) 20:48 same here I assumed we were waiting for the time to nominate announcement 20:49 knome: then I will take that as a +1 to doing strat doc changes 20:49 can we has vote here please 20:50 I'd like to know how long we should wait for a null to taken as a positive for any changes 20:50 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-May/011194.html 20:51 knome: so how long sensibly to get an agreed change between us for SD? 2 weeks? 20:51 I guess I'm just used to blueprint items moving along without revoting 20:51 I thought it was implied that we move along to the strategy document updates, again, I thought it was pretty much finaized 20:51 nobody replied to that, so i take the team is OK with somebody doing the writing part 20:51 knome: nods 20:51 pleia2: except we've not really used them for cycle(s) 20:51 and now that CC ack'd our draft, there's no blocked in doing that 20:52 flocculant: I still use them :\ 20:52 now we only need somebody to have time to write it 20:52 knome: do you think we can do our bit by eow? 20:52 we did use blueprints heavily last cycle; this cycle has been very slow generally, and not much has happened, which is why blueprints haven't got too much love either 20:52 i can't promise anything either way 20:52 ok 20:52 but it's possible, given that things don't go too much south 20:53 thanks for trying, knome 20:53 i should be "back at the office" next week, so at latest then i'll have time to work on that too 20:53 so we'll just have another meeting then 20:53 knome: ack - not pressuring you here - just you know :) 20:53 again it's just a task of making a bullet point list literal 20:53 no worries 20:53 if somebody else feels like doing it, go for it 20:54 knome: if you want me to take ti with someone else? 20:54 I've got time 20:54 (we'll likely end up doing one or two wording changes anyway, so no need to feel like to have to be perfect the first time) 20:54 yea yea 20:54 sure, it's up for "anybody" to pick up (assigned to -team) 20:54 has to be someone fairly active 20:55 e.g. people talking :p 20:55 well anyway, 20:55 speak to me in morning on irc and ill see if i can jumo in and help with it 20:55 bluesabre: do you have time? 20:55 akxwi-dave: okey doke 20:55 let's not stretch the meeting... we can figure out schedules with people after it :) 20:55 flocculant: yup 20:56 I'm on vacation this week, but generally available at most times or can make myself available 20:56 yeah, i'm technically on paternity leave this week as well (if my application is approved) 20:56 akxwi-dave: not dissing you, thanks for the offer, if I take this with bluesabre - it'll not be QA orientated :p 20:57 flocculant, no probs mate just wanted to help out if no one else available 20:57 howabout if we action bluesabre flocculant : reword SD for Council 20:57 +1 from me.. 20:58 #action bluesabre and flocculant to reword the SD to formalize the council. 20:58 * meetingology bluesabre and flocculant to reword the SD to formalize the council. 20:58 then move next meeting from slickymaster to either me or bluesabre and we can report it 20:58 alrighty 20:58 s/it/in 20:59 does that make sense? 20:59 I just want this to be sorted out asawc 20:59 \o/ 20:59 Not sure if it matters who is running, but flocculant you're before bluesabre. 21:00 flocculant, just put it in a pad, and point me to it when you work on it and i might pokey poke it. 21:00 yea I read :) 21:00 yup 21:00 (if you want extra set of eyes) 21:00 bluesabre: as you are now 'Day' could you start in a pad? 21:01 if -team fiddle can they at least let us know how did stuff~? 21:01 flocculant: Details after the meeting? 21:01 krytarik: ack 21:01 #topic Announcements 21:01 flocculant to schedule next meeting 21:01 Anything else? 21:01 #info upcoming date, Feature Freeze August 18th 21:02 nothing more from me 21:02 or me 21:03 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)