== Meeting information ==
 * #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu community meeting, 10 Apr at 17:30 — 18:20 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2016/xubuntu-devel.2016-04-10-17.30.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== Open Action Items ===
The discussion about "Open Action Items" started at 17:35.


=== Updates and Announcements ===
The discussion about "Updates and Announcements" started at 17:36.

  * The non-language pack translation deadline was Thursday April 8, so no more translations for our apps
  * "The small details" and "My media manager" article series' are doing well
  * the wallpaper contest has concluded and the winners have been chosen. A new xubuntu-community-artwork package will be uploaded today with the new wallpapers
  * Final Freeze and RC are just 4 days away
  * Final Freeze and RC are just 4 days away

=== Discussion ===
The discussion about "Discussion" started at 17:46.

 * '''PDF in docs''' (17:46)
 * '''core situation''' (17:50)
 * '''Seeding Snappy''' (17:53)
 * '''Release Candidate''' (17:59)

=== Any other business ===
The discussion about "Any other business" started at 18:09.


=== Schedule next meeting ===
The discussion about "Schedule next meeting" started at 18:20.

  * knome to schedule next meeting



== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * bluesabre (96)
 * flocculant (45)
 * pleia2 (23)
 * slickymaster (18)
 * ochosi (15)
 * Nairwolf (11)
 * meetingology (4)



== Full Log ==


 17:30 <bluesabre> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting

 17:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Apr 10 17:30:21 2016 UTC.  The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 17:30 <meetingology> 

 17:30 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 17:30 <bluesabre> Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings

 17:30 <bluesabre> Hey everyone! Who's here for the meeting?

 17:30 <flocculant> o/

 17:31 <bluesabre> I'll give folks a few minutes to roll in

 17:31 <pleia2> o/

 17:32 <flocculant> bluesabre: just while we're doing that - the wallpaper package seems to want to be autoremoved

 17:32 <bluesabre> hey pleia2

 17:32 <bluesabre> flocculant: hm?

 17:33 <bluesabre> flocculant: there might be some tweaks I need to do to the package, I'll check it out after the meeting

 17:33 <flocculant> okey doke

 17:35 <bluesabre> looks like this could be a short meeting

 17:35 <slickymaster> o/

 17:35 <slickymaster> made it

 17:35 <bluesabre> yesss

 17:35 <bluesabre> hi slickymaster

 17:35 <slickymaster> hi bluesabre

 17:35 <bluesabre> now we probably have enough to have a discussion

 17:35 <slickymaster> hi flocculant and pleia2

 17:35 <bluesabre> #topic Open Action Items

 17:36 <bluesabre> Pretty sure there are none...

 17:36 <slickymaster> nothing in the agenda anyway

 17:36 <bluesabre> yup

 17:36 <bluesabre> next up

 17:36 <bluesabre> #topic Updates and Announcements

 17:37 <pleia2> the article series' seem to be getting a lot of views on social media, good feedback here and there

 17:37 <pleia2> not overwhelmingly so, but for short articles I think it's gone well

 17:37 <flocculant> at least 1 I read was of the 'these are useful' type :)

 17:37 <flocculant> afaik not many left to go

 17:38 <bluesabre> #info The non-language pack translation deadline was Thursday April 8, so no more translations for our apps

 17:38 <Nairwolf> hi, I'm here ;)

 17:38 <bluesabre> pleia2: that's good to hear :)

 17:38 <bluesabre> hi Nairwolf

 17:39 <pleia2> #info "The small details" and "My media manager" article series' are doing well

 17:39 <Nairwolf> pleia2: I've contacted the french team of xubuntu.fr, and I will translate these articles for french community.

 17:39 <bluesabre> #info the wallpaper contest has concluded and the winners have been chosen. A new xubuntu-community-artwork package will be uploaded today with the new wallpapers

 17:39 <Nairwolf> oh, great !

 17:39 <slickymaster> #info Final Freeze and RC are just 4 days away

 17:40 <flocculant> #undo

 17:40 <flocculant> RC might be :p

 17:40 <flocculant> oh sorry - not reading properly

 17:40 <pleia2> Nairwolf: did we agree to do that? I thought the articles were not part of our translation plan

 17:40 <bluesabre> flocculant: #redo? :D

 17:41 <pleia2> we wanted to focus on a set of to-be-determined core content from the website first

 17:41 <flocculant> #info Final Freeze and RC are just 4 days away

 17:41 <Nairwolf> pleia2: that was a personal initiative. Do you think it's a bad idea ?

 17:42 <pleia2> Nairwolf: well, knome and I had already been talking about website translations, and since he's the website lead I would have checked with him before going out on your own

 17:42 <pleia2> Nairwolf: websites are an important part of our branding, and we need to be in agreement about these things

 17:42 <pleia2> so looping me in as marking lead would have been good too

 17:42 <pleia2> we're also working with the owner of xubuntu.se to do similar

 17:43 <pleia2> it's concerning to see a proliferation of other language sites that we have no influence over

 17:44 <Nairwolf> ok, I've just sending a mail this morning. Don't worry. I will send a mail to you and to knome, in order to talk you about that.

 17:44 <pleia2> thanks

 17:44 <bluesabre> Might be something worthwhile to include on the contributor docs going forward

 17:45 <pleia2> bluesabre: ++

 17:45 <flocculant> yep

 17:45 <slickymaster> yes

 17:45 * flocculant looks forward to when contr docs are more than a few little bits and loads of qa :p

 17:45 <bluesabre> Any other updates and/or announcements?

 17:46 <flocculant> not that I'm aware of

 17:46 <bluesabre> probably safe to move on then

 17:46 <bluesabre> #topic Discussion

 17:46 <bluesabre> #subtopic PDF in docs

 17:46 <bluesabre> ^ knome, slickymaster, krytarik?

 17:47 <slickymaster> well, knome and krytarik are/were workinh on that

 17:47 <slickymaster> but as far as I know it's not solved yet

 17:48 <bluesabre> seems like a difficult task to fully resolve

 17:48 <pleia2> fwiw, people I am in contact with on social media continue to like the idea of having them

 17:48 <flocculant> thought it was

 17:48 <pleia2> so it's valuable to get solved

 17:48 <slickymaster> yes

 17:48 <flocculant> pdf's build locally here

 17:48 <bluesabre> aha

 17:48 <bluesabre> I think it is resolved

 17:49 <flocculant> I thought it was

 17:49 <slickymaster> they don't in my xenial VM box

 17:49 <bluesabre> xubuntu-docs (16.04.3) xenial; urgency=medium

 17:49 <bluesabre> * Create temporary symlinks while creating PDFs (fixes FTBFS, thanks Krytarik)

 17:49 <bluesabre> * Drop contributor documentation from the default build

 17:49 <slickymaster> missed that one[5~

 17:49 <slickymaster> thanks bluesabre

 17:49 <bluesabre> something might have broken since then, so don't take my word for it :D

 17:50 <bluesabre> that wraps up that topic then

 17:50 <bluesabre> #subtopic core situation

 17:50 <slickymaster> yeaps

 17:50 <bluesabre> ^ Unit193

 17:50 <bluesabre> Pretty sure we're stuck in the same place on this one... we can't quite get our patches merged to enable this

 17:51 <flocculant> yea - afaik no movement - there was discussion amongst us to target .1

 17:51 <bluesabre> and if anything, we're not looking to include this in 16.04.0 since its so late already

 17:51 <bluesabre> yup

 17:51 <flocculant> and Unit193's community build is failing to install afaik

 17:51 <bluesabre> ah

 17:52 <bluesabre> that's disappointing

 17:52 <flocculant> and even if they came through tomorrow with core - you'd get a massive -1 from me now

 17:52 <flocculant> much much too late ;)

 17:52 <bluesabre> yup, same here

 17:52 <bluesabre> so core is on hold for now

 17:53 <bluesabre> #subtopic Seeding Snappy

 17:53 <bluesabre> ^ (that's me and Unit193)

 17:53 <flocculant> Unit193> [05:11:19] flocculant: So yes, failing still/now.  Setting up locales again.

 17:53 <flocculant> bluesabre: that's Unit193's build ^^

 17:53 <bluesabre> flocculant: aha, thanks for that

 17:54 <bluesabre> Regarding Snappy, we had a (very) early meeting with Snappy folks a few days ago

 17:54 <flocculant> brb

 17:54 <bluesabre> They're looking to include support for it in 16.04

 17:54 <bluesabre> Snappy coexists alongside the debian packaging system, so this should in no way interfere with our current workflow

 17:55 <bluesabre> The consideration here is to include the snappy launcher in every flavor, or possibly let the flavors decide on their own

 17:56 <bluesabre> It looks like it would add ~26mb to the installation, though I suggested adding support in Gnome Software to just install the launcher when a snappy app is installed

 17:56 <bluesabre> and that's roughly all I have for that

 17:57 <bluesabre> (just letting everybody in to the loop there)

 17:59 <bluesabre> and with no decision on that in my head, next up

 17:59 <bluesabre> #subtopic Release Candidate

 17:59 <bluesabre> ^ flocculant

 18:00 <flocculant> back just

 18:01 <flocculant> so RC next week sometime

 18:01 <flocculant> please try and get some testing of iso's done

 18:01 <flocculant> pleia2: I'll make sure to mail LP testers about that too

 18:02 <flocculant> pretty much nothing going on with the installer *we* can deal with

 18:02 <bluesabre> flocculant: is the installer haven't issues again?

 18:02 <flocculant> upgrades seem to be ok now too - not that we'll be necessarily testing them

 18:02 <flocculant> bluesabre: not that I know of

 18:02 <pleia2> flocculant: great

 18:02 <pleia2> I'll make sure it's shared

 18:02 <bluesabre> cool

 18:03 <flocculant> bluesabre: well things like vm's never changes - and some of the odd crypt install/oem install things have bugs

 18:03 <pleia2> flocculant: why re: not testing them?

 18:03 <flocculant> pleia2: thanks :)

 18:03 <Nairwolf> flocculant: I'm not sure to understand. Is it ok with upgrades ?

 18:03 <flocculant> pleia2: upgrades?

 18:03 <Nairwolf> upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04 works ?

 18:03 <pleia2> flocculant: yeah

 18:03 <flocculant> because it's switched on for .1 usually

 18:04 <bluesabre> flocculant: I'm guessing we'll be sending a link to the in-progress release notes in the ML once the RC images are available so folks know what to look for?

 18:04 <flocculant> so people *might* but they'll not be *prompted* by updates

 18:04 <pleia2> flocculant: oh right, gotchat :)

 18:04 <pleia2> -t

 18:04 <bluesabre> gochat?

 18:04 <bluesabre> :D

 18:04 <flocculant> bluesabre: yup that's the plan

 18:04 <slickymaster> :)

 18:04 <bluesabre> flocculant: good deal :)

 18:05 <flocculant> talking of which I'll just quickly mention wiki release note

 18:05 <flocculant> next cycle - I'll be gettting that together at cycle start and using just the one for the whole cycle

 18:05 <Nairwolf> from the releaseCandidate to the final Release, the iso can still evolve ?

 18:06 <flocculant> it'll get updated throughout

 18:06 <bluesabre> Nairwolf: yes, there may still be bugs fixed in that time, and hopefully not too many other updates beside that

 18:06 <flocculant> Nairwolf: for sure - if canonical and us fix things - it'll get respun

 18:07 <bluesabre> anything else in regards to the RC?

 18:07 <Nairwolf> ok, so the finalFreeze isn't a real 'freeze', right ?

 18:08 <flocculant> bluesabre: nope - all done :)

 18:08 <Nairwolf> it's just fixing bugs, right ?

 18:08 <bluesabre> Nairwolf: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FinalFreeze

 18:08 <bluesabre> flocculant: thanks

 18:09 <bluesabre> #topic Any other business

 18:09 <Nairwolf> bluesabre: Thanks !

 18:09 <bluesabre> Anybody got anything else to add for the meeting?

 18:09 <flocculant> not me

 18:09 <slickymaster> nothing heer

 18:09 <slickymaster> * here

 18:10 <bluesabre> pleia2: anything from you? (make it something awesome)

 18:11 <pleia2> I love you all

 18:11 <pleia2> that's it

 18:11 <bluesabre> well done

 18:11 <flocculant> \o/

 18:11 <slickymaster> \o/

 18:11 <bluesabre> #topic Schedule next meeting

 18:11 <bluesabre> knome to schedule next meeting

 18:11 <ochosi> meh

 18:11 <bluesabre> And we're out

 18:11 <ochosi> too latae

 18:11 <bluesabre> ah

 18:11 <bluesabre> #undo

 18:11 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: TOPIC

 18:11 <ochosi> sry, had to get the little one to bed

 18:11 <bluesabre> hi ochosi

 18:12 <ochosi> let me see how quickly i can skim through the backlog

 18:12 <bluesabre> anything to add to the end of the meeting?

 18:12 <bluesabre> ok

 18:12 <ochosi> or are there any concrete questions for me?

 18:12 <bluesabre> I don't know enough about concrete to make a good pun here

 18:12 <bluesabre> :(

 18:13 <flocculant> hah

 18:14 <ochosi> :)

 18:14 <ochosi> alrighty, caught up

 18:15 * bluesabre hands the mic to ochosi

 18:15 <ochosi> not much from my side, i'm a bit unsure about where snappy will take us and whether the snappy launcher can't be a depend of all snappy packages (which begs the question why we need it by default)

 18:16 <ochosi> but since this seems to be only the initial stage i guess we might have to wait a bit longer to see about that

 18:16 <bluesabre> ochosi: partially because snappy packages are not deb packages, so they can't auto-pull deb requirements (is my guess)

 18:16 <bluesabre> but yeah, kind of a wait and see game currently

 18:16 <ochosi> i thought they shouldn't? (at least that's what i understood there)

 18:17 <ochosi> thought they should be little independent thingies that have everything they need inside

 18:17 <bluesabre> except they need a launcher/runtime

 18:17 <bluesabre> but at the same time, I haven't played with it myself yet, so I can't say for sure

 18:18 <bluesabre> I'll see if I can get the next meeting at a time that you can also join in

 18:18 <bluesabre> ochosi: anything else for the meeting?

 18:18 <ochosi> ok sure

 18:18 <ochosi> no, nothing else

 18:19 <bluesabre> alrighty then

 18:19 <bluesabre> anybody else?

 18:19 * bluesabre likes to stall

 18:19 <flocculant> ummm

 18:19 <flocculant> nope :p

 18:19 <bluesabre> :)

 18:20 <ochosi> :)

 18:20 <bluesabre> Let's wrap it up then

 18:20 <ochosi> yup

 18:20 <bluesabre> #topic Schedule next meeting

 18:20 <bluesabre> #info knome to schedule next meeting

 18:20 <bluesabre> #endmeeting



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