17:30 <bluesabre> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting 17:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Apr 10 17:30:21 2016 UTC. The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 17:30 <meetingology> 17:30 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 17:30 <bluesabre> Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings 17:30 <bluesabre> Hey everyone! Who's here for the meeting? 17:30 <flocculant> o/ 17:31 <bluesabre> I'll give folks a few minutes to roll in 17:31 <pleia2> o/ 17:32 <flocculant> bluesabre: just while we're doing that - the wallpaper package seems to want to be autoremoved 17:32 <bluesabre> hey pleia2 17:32 <bluesabre> flocculant: hm? 17:33 <bluesabre> flocculant: there might be some tweaks I need to do to the package, I'll check it out after the meeting 17:33 <flocculant> okey doke 17:35 <bluesabre> looks like this could be a short meeting 17:35 <slickymaster> o/ 17:35 <slickymaster> made it 17:35 <bluesabre> yesss 17:35 <bluesabre> hi slickymaster 17:35 <slickymaster> hi bluesabre 17:35 <bluesabre> now we probably have enough to have a discussion 17:35 <slickymaster> hi flocculant and pleia2 17:35 <bluesabre> #topic Open Action Items 17:36 <bluesabre> Pretty sure there are none... 17:36 <slickymaster> nothing in the agenda anyway 17:36 <bluesabre> yup 17:36 <bluesabre> next up 17:36 <bluesabre> #topic Updates and Announcements 17:37 <pleia2> the article series' seem to be getting a lot of views on social media, good feedback here and there 17:37 <pleia2> not overwhelmingly so, but for short articles I think it's gone well 17:37 <flocculant> at least 1 I read was of the 'these are useful' type :) 17:37 <flocculant> afaik not many left to go 17:38 <bluesabre> #info The non-language pack translation deadline was Thursday April 8, so no more translations for our apps 17:38 <Nairwolf> hi, I'm here ;) 17:38 <bluesabre> pleia2: that's good to hear :) 17:38 <bluesabre> hi Nairwolf 17:39 <pleia2> #info "The small details" and "My media manager" article series' are doing well 17:39 <Nairwolf> pleia2: I've contacted the french team of xubuntu.fr, and I will translate these articles for french community. 17:39 <bluesabre> #info the wallpaper contest has concluded and the winners have been chosen. A new xubuntu-community-artwork package will be uploaded today with the new wallpapers 17:39 <Nairwolf> oh, great ! 17:39 <slickymaster> #info Final Freeze and RC are just 4 days away 17:40 <flocculant> #undo 17:40 <flocculant> RC might be :p 17:40 <flocculant> oh sorry - not reading properly 17:40 <pleia2> Nairwolf: did we agree to do that? I thought the articles were not part of our translation plan 17:40 <bluesabre> flocculant: #redo? :D 17:41 <pleia2> we wanted to focus on a set of to-be-determined core content from the website first 17:41 <flocculant> #info Final Freeze and RC are just 4 days away 17:41 <Nairwolf> pleia2: that was a personal initiative. Do you think it's a bad idea ? 17:42 <pleia2> Nairwolf: well, knome and I had already been talking about website translations, and since he's the website lead I would have checked with him before going out on your own 17:42 <pleia2> Nairwolf: websites are an important part of our branding, and we need to be in agreement about these things 17:42 <pleia2> so looping me in as marking lead would have been good too 17:42 <pleia2> we're also working with the owner of xubuntu.se to do similar 17:43 <pleia2> it's concerning to see a proliferation of other language sites that we have no influence over 17:44 <Nairwolf> ok, I've just sending a mail this morning. Don't worry. I will send a mail to you and to knome, in order to talk you about that. 17:44 <pleia2> thanks 17:44 <bluesabre> Might be something worthwhile to include on the contributor docs going forward 17:45 <pleia2> bluesabre: ++ 17:45 <flocculant> yep 17:45 <slickymaster> yes 17:45 * flocculant looks forward to when contr docs are more than a few little bits and loads of qa :p 17:45 <bluesabre> Any other updates and/or announcements? 17:46 <flocculant> not that I'm aware of 17:46 <bluesabre> probably safe to move on then 17:46 <bluesabre> #topic Discussion 17:46 <bluesabre> #subtopic PDF in docs 17:46 <bluesabre> ^ knome, slickymaster, krytarik? 17:47 <slickymaster> well, knome and krytarik are/were workinh on that 17:47 <slickymaster> but as far as I know it's not solved yet 17:48 <bluesabre> seems like a difficult task to fully resolve 17:48 <pleia2> fwiw, people I am in contact with on social media continue to like the idea of having them 17:48 <flocculant> thought it was 17:48 <pleia2> so it's valuable to get solved 17:48 <slickymaster> yes 17:48 <flocculant> pdf's build locally here 17:48 <bluesabre> aha 17:48 <bluesabre> I think it is resolved 17:49 <flocculant> I thought it was 17:49 <slickymaster> they don't in my xenial VM box 17:49 <bluesabre> xubuntu-docs (16.04.3) xenial; urgency=medium 17:49 <bluesabre> * Create temporary symlinks while creating PDFs (fixes FTBFS, thanks Krytarik) 17:49 <bluesabre> * Drop contributor documentation from the default build 17:49 <slickymaster> missed that one[5~ 17:49 <slickymaster> thanks bluesabre 17:49 <bluesabre> something might have broken since then, so don't take my word for it :D 17:50 <bluesabre> that wraps up that topic then 17:50 <bluesabre> #subtopic core situation 17:50 <slickymaster> yeaps 17:50 <bluesabre> ^ Unit193 17:50 <bluesabre> Pretty sure we're stuck in the same place on this one... we can't quite get our patches merged to enable this 17:51 <flocculant> yea - afaik no movement - there was discussion amongst us to target .1 17:51 <bluesabre> and if anything, we're not looking to include this in 16.04.0 since its so late already 17:51 <bluesabre> yup 17:51 <flocculant> and Unit193's community build is failing to install afaik 17:51 <bluesabre> ah 17:52 <bluesabre> that's disappointing 17:52 <flocculant> and even if they came through tomorrow with core - you'd get a massive -1 from me now 17:52 <flocculant> much much too late ;) 17:52 <bluesabre> yup, same here 17:52 <bluesabre> so core is on hold for now 17:53 <bluesabre> #subtopic Seeding Snappy 17:53 <bluesabre> ^ (that's me and Unit193) 17:53 <flocculant> Unit193> [05:11:19] flocculant: So yes, failing still/now. Setting up locales again. 17:53 <flocculant> bluesabre: that's Unit193's build ^^ 17:53 <bluesabre> flocculant: aha, thanks for that 17:54 <bluesabre> Regarding Snappy, we had a (very) early meeting with Snappy folks a few days ago 17:54 <flocculant> brb 17:54 <bluesabre> They're looking to include support for it in 16.04 17:54 <bluesabre> Snappy coexists alongside the debian packaging system, so this should in no way interfere with our current workflow 17:55 <bluesabre> The consideration here is to include the snappy launcher in every flavor, or possibly let the flavors decide on their own 17:56 <bluesabre> It looks like it would add ~26mb to the installation, though I suggested adding support in Gnome Software to just install the launcher when a snappy app is installed 17:56 <bluesabre> and that's roughly all I have for that 17:57 <bluesabre> (just letting everybody in to the loop there) 17:59 <bluesabre> and with no decision on that in my head, next up 17:59 <bluesabre> #subtopic Release Candidate 17:59 <bluesabre> ^ flocculant 18:00 <flocculant> back just 18:01 <flocculant> so RC next week sometime 18:01 <flocculant> please try and get some testing of iso's done 18:01 <flocculant> pleia2: I'll make sure to mail LP testers about that too 18:02 <flocculant> pretty much nothing going on with the installer *we* can deal with 18:02 <bluesabre> flocculant: is the installer haven't issues again? 18:02 <flocculant> upgrades seem to be ok now too - not that we'll be necessarily testing them 18:02 <flocculant> bluesabre: not that I know of 18:02 <pleia2> flocculant: great 18:02 <pleia2> I'll make sure it's shared 18:02 <bluesabre> cool 18:03 <flocculant> bluesabre: well things like vm's never changes - and some of the odd crypt install/oem install things have bugs 18:03 <pleia2> flocculant: why re: not testing them? 18:03 <flocculant> pleia2: thanks :) 18:03 <Nairwolf> flocculant: I'm not sure to understand. Is it ok with upgrades ? 18:03 <flocculant> pleia2: upgrades? 18:03 <Nairwolf> upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04 works ? 18:03 <pleia2> flocculant: yeah 18:03 <flocculant> because it's switched on for .1 usually 18:04 <bluesabre> flocculant: I'm guessing we'll be sending a link to the in-progress release notes in the ML once the RC images are available so folks know what to look for? 18:04 <flocculant> so people *might* but they'll not be *prompted* by updates 18:04 <pleia2> flocculant: oh right, gotchat :) 18:04 <pleia2> -t 18:04 <bluesabre> gochat? 18:04 <bluesabre> :D 18:04 <flocculant> bluesabre: yup that's the plan 18:04 <slickymaster> :) 18:04 <bluesabre> flocculant: good deal :) 18:05 <flocculant> talking of which I'll just quickly mention wiki release note 18:05 <flocculant> next cycle - I'll be gettting that together at cycle start and using just the one for the whole cycle 18:05 <Nairwolf> from the releaseCandidate to the final Release, the iso can still evolve ? 18:06 <flocculant> it'll get updated throughout 18:06 <bluesabre> Nairwolf: yes, there may still be bugs fixed in that time, and hopefully not too many other updates beside that 18:06 <flocculant> Nairwolf: for sure - if canonical and us fix things - it'll get respun 18:07 <bluesabre> anything else in regards to the RC? 18:07 <Nairwolf> ok, so the finalFreeze isn't a real 'freeze', right ? 18:08 <flocculant> bluesabre: nope - all done :) 18:08 <Nairwolf> it's just fixing bugs, right ? 18:08 <bluesabre> Nairwolf: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FinalFreeze 18:08 <bluesabre> flocculant: thanks 18:09 <bluesabre> #topic Any other business 18:09 <Nairwolf> bluesabre: Thanks ! 18:09 <bluesabre> Anybody got anything else to add for the meeting? 18:09 <flocculant> not me 18:09 <slickymaster> nothing heer 18:09 <slickymaster> * here 18:10 <bluesabre> pleia2: anything from you? (make it something awesome) 18:11 <pleia2> I love you all 18:11 <pleia2> that's it 18:11 <bluesabre> well done 18:11 <flocculant> \o/ 18:11 <slickymaster> \o/ 18:11 <bluesabre> #topic Schedule next meeting 18:11 <bluesabre> knome to schedule next meeting 18:11 <ochosi> meh 18:11 <bluesabre> And we're out 18:11 <ochosi> too latae 18:11 <bluesabre> ah 18:11 <bluesabre> #undo 18:11 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: TOPIC 18:11 <ochosi> sry, had to get the little one to bed 18:11 <bluesabre> hi ochosi 18:12 <ochosi> let me see how quickly i can skim through the backlog 18:12 <bluesabre> anything to add to the end of the meeting? 18:12 <bluesabre> ok 18:12 <ochosi> or are there any concrete questions for me? 18:12 <bluesabre> I don't know enough about concrete to make a good pun here 18:12 <bluesabre> :( 18:13 <flocculant> hah 18:14 <ochosi> :) 18:14 <ochosi> alrighty, caught up 18:15 * bluesabre hands the mic to ochosi 18:15 <ochosi> not much from my side, i'm a bit unsure about where snappy will take us and whether the snappy launcher can't be a depend of all snappy packages (which begs the question why we need it by default) 18:16 <ochosi> but since this seems to be only the initial stage i guess we might have to wait a bit longer to see about that 18:16 <bluesabre> ochosi: partially because snappy packages are not deb packages, so they can't auto-pull deb requirements (is my guess) 18:16 <bluesabre> but yeah, kind of a wait and see game currently 18:16 <ochosi> i thought they shouldn't? (at least that's what i understood there) 18:17 <ochosi> thought they should be little independent thingies that have everything they need inside 18:17 <bluesabre> except they need a launcher/runtime 18:17 <bluesabre> but at the same time, I haven't played with it myself yet, so I can't say for sure 18:18 <bluesabre> I'll see if I can get the next meeting at a time that you can also join in 18:18 <bluesabre> ochosi: anything else for the meeting? 18:18 <ochosi> ok sure 18:18 <ochosi> no, nothing else 18:19 <bluesabre> alrighty then 18:19 <bluesabre> anybody else? 18:19 * bluesabre likes to stall 18:19 <flocculant> ummm 18:19 <flocculant> nope :p 18:19 <bluesabre> :) 18:20 <ochosi> :) 18:20 <bluesabre> Let's wrap it up then 18:20 <ochosi> yup 18:20 <bluesabre> #topic Schedule next meeting 18:20 <bluesabre> #info knome to schedule next meeting 18:20 <bluesabre> #endmeeting