== Meeting information ==
 * #xubuntu-devel Meeting, 03 Mar at 17:00 — 17:57 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2016/xubuntu-devel.2016-03-03-17.00.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings#Agenda 
=== Open action items ===
The discussion about "Open action items" started at 17:01.

  * ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-March/011059.html 

=== Updates and Announcements ===
The discussion about "Updates and Announcements" started at 17:03.

  * Beta 1 happened http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-16-04-lts-beta-1/
  * knome has been working on the article series for the website: http://wiki.xubuntu.org/website/series

=== Discussion items ===
The discussion about "Discussion items" started at 17:13.

 * '''The installer slideshow''' (17:13)
 * '''Gnome-software update''' (17:26)
  * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software 

=== Any other business ===
The discussion about "Any other business" started at 17:48.

  * ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-February/011045.html 
  * Strategy Document rewrite for "Xubuntu users" (and a bit more)
  * ''LINK:'' http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~knome/xubuntu-docs/xsd-community-updates-feb2016/revision/531 
  * ''Vote:'' Approve Strategy Document rewrite for "Xubuntu users" (and a bit more) (+1) or disapprove text (-1) (Carried)

=== Schedule next meeting ===
The discussion about "Schedule next meeting" started at 17:56.




== Vote results ==

 * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2016/xubuntu-devel.2016-03-03-17.00.log.html#195 Approve Strategy Document rewrite for "Xubuntu users" (and a bit more) (+1) or disapprove text (-1)]]
  * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 4/0/0)
   *  Voters krytarik, pleia2, flocculant, knome



== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * flocculant (78)
 * pleia2 (65)
 * knome (57)
 * meetingology (12)
 * Nairwolf (7)
 * dkessel (1)
 * krytarik (1)
 * slickymasterWork (1)
 * bluesabre (1)



== Full Log ==


 17:00 <pleia2> #startmeeting

 17:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Mar  3 17:00:03 2016 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 17:00 <meetingology> 

 17:00 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 17:00 <flocculant> I'm apparently available for this :)

 17:00 <pleia2> we have an angeda

 17:00 <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings#Agenda

 17:00 <pleia2> who all is here for our community team meeting? :)

 17:01 <flocculant> I'm apparently available for this :)

 17:01 <knome> slickymasterWork is on and off

 17:01 <flocculant> :)

 17:01 <knome> as always

 17:01 <knome> and i'm here as well

 17:01 * bluesabre is watching

 17:01 <slickymasterWork> I'll doubt I'll be able to continue logged on

 17:01 <Nairwolf> I'm here

 17:01 <flocculant> hey bluesabre

 17:01 <pleia2> great

 17:01 <pleia2> #topic Open action items

 17:01 <pleia2> looks like we have just the one: knome and branau to collaborate with setting up a wordpress instance for the wallpaper submissions by sunday, feb 21

 17:02 <pleia2> knome: status update?

 17:02 <knome> done

 17:02 <pleia2> \o/

 17:02 <knome> we're running testing at the moment

 17:02 <knome> after that's done, we can announce the contest

 17:02 <knome> so next week

 17:02 <pleia2> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-March/011059.html

 17:02 <pleia2> ^^ if you want to be a guinea pig

 17:02 <pleia2> I mean help

 17:03 <dkessel> russian is first, surprisingly... never noticed any russian here....

 17:03 <pleia2> alright, moving on

 17:03 <pleia2> #topic Updates and Announcements

 17:04 <flocculant> sorry

 17:04 <flocculant> just quickly

 17:04 <flocculant> knome: if you do need testing - I can

 17:04 <knome> flocculant, ack, i'll send you the testing info after the meeting

 17:06 <pleia2> so, any updates/announcements?

 17:07 <pleia2> #info Beta 1 happened http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-16-04-lts-beta-1/

 17:07 <knome> #info knome has been working on the article series for the website: http://wiki.xubuntu.org/website/series

 17:08 <knome> re: those, the plan is to publish the frist "my media manager" article on week 12

 17:08 <knome> schedule for the other series is still open, it depends a lot on the amount of articles we have

 17:08 <knome> if people have ideas, feel free to add them to the wiki

 17:09 <pleia2> thanks knome

 17:09 <knome> if people want to help with the articles, just poke me or edit the wiki page noting you are working on something

 17:09 <Nairwolf> do you want to translate these articles ?

 17:10 <knome> the website doesn't support translations currently, so to begin with, no

 17:10 <knome> but if somebody works with local teams, they can totally cooperate with us to publish translated articles on their websites

 17:11 <Nairwolf> I will do that, in France xubuntu is really popular

 17:11 <flocculant> \o/

 17:11 <pleia2> alright, drifting off topic from announcements

 17:12 <pleia2> any other updates?

 17:13 <pleia2> #topic Discussion items

 17:13 <pleia2> #subtopic The installer slideshow

 17:14 <pleia2> Full info: The installer slideshow has been kept the same for some time now, other than a few small graphical changes and some rewording of the slides. Should we keep this type of approach or should we choose a completely different approach?

 17:14 <knome> there is a WIP branch at https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-doc/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1604

 17:14 <pleia2> I looked at it yesterday, pretty sparse so far but shaping up nicely

 17:14 <knome> and commentary/discussion has been ongoing on this channel as well as at http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-1604-slideshow

 17:14 <knome> so the "WIP" part means we still lack some artwork

 17:14 <knome> and some of the content isn't final

 17:14 <Nairwolf> I can't access to this pad, is it because I'm not in xubuntu team ?

 17:15 <knome> and we might add one more slide that discusses the customizability

 17:15 <flocculant> Nairwolf: go to offtopic

 17:15 <flocculant> might?

 17:15 <flocculant> I think that we should

 17:16 <flocculant> given it'll be live for 3 years

 17:16 <knome> the other option is to include the content in the desktop slide

 17:16 <flocculant> oh

 17:16 <flocculant> sorry :)

 17:16 <knome> ...but so far, since we don't know what kind of content it is, it's impossible to make a judgement on whether it should have its own slide or not

 17:16 <knome> so as always, ideas are welcome

 17:17 <pleia2> knome: oh, explain how to download and run the slideshow?

 17:17 <knome> yes

 17:17 <flocculant> I'd like to see some more on *customise* to be honest

 17:18 <knome> 1) bzr branch lp:~xubuntu-doc/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1604

 17:18 <knome> 2) cd to the branch root

 17:18 <knome> 3) ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu

 17:19 <flocculant> should be in http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/documentation.html perhaps

 17:19 <flocculant> or somewhere ...

 17:19 <knome> flocculant, yeah, we currently have none really, quite a bit of that can fit in the desktop slide if we lose the two columns at the bottom

 17:19 <flocculant> perhaps

 17:20 <flocculant> except you were saying it had too much anyway

 17:20 <knome> flocculant, this branch is temporary, but yeah, we could mention the usual slideshow branch

 17:20 <flocculant> I wonder if perhaps we could

 17:20 <flocculant> slide > introduces stuff

 17:20 <flocculant> slide > expands a bit

 17:20 <flocculant> but ofc - time constraint(s)

 17:21 <flocculant> I see about 2 slides when I install on ssd

 17:21 <knome> :)

 17:21 <knome> we likely don't want to add more than 1 more slide if even that

 17:21 <flocculant> :)

 17:22 <flocculant> I'll retract then given I want a contribute one :D

 17:22 <knome> flocculant, there is a contribute slide...

 17:22 <knome> basically, the idea behind these changes has been that we should move the content to the website (and other places) and mostly only point to them

 17:22 <flocculant> so we have 1 to play with :)

 17:22 <pleia2> and to remove my cat :'(

 17:22 <knome> because the information is valuable even for those who aren't installing

 17:22 <flocculant> ofc

 17:22 <knome> pleia2, as i said, we can add one more bubble in the local support slide saying "Meow"

 17:23 <flocculant> in blue

 17:23 <pleia2> indeed :)

 17:23 <pleia2> but we don't translate into cat, so maybe that's confusing

 17:23 <pleia2> and my cats are too lazy to do translations

 17:23 <knome> but isn't the vocabulary very small too, just dump in random "meow"s and "mow"s

 17:24 <knome> :P

 17:24 <flocculant> knome: if you've some time later perhaps we could thrash a few bits out - working on from the conversation earlier

 17:25 <knome> yep

 17:25 <pleia2> so, want to continue this outside a meeting?

 17:25 <knome> no, but ok :(

 17:25 <knome> (just kidding)

 17:25 <pleia2> har

 17:25 <flocculant> hah - we can carry on if people want

 17:25 <pleia2> I don't have much to add just yet

 17:26 <pleia2> #subtopic Gnome-software update

 17:26 <flocculant> oh my

 17:26 <pleia2> Full info: Gnome-software update - aiming for decision by 7th March

 17:26 <pleia2> so, who wants to start on this one? :)

 17:27 <flocculant> so then - a few words I can start with then a link

 17:27 <flocculant> we've now got gs in the seed

 17:27 <flocculant> I've spent most of the week playing about with it

 17:27 <flocculant> you can install stuff from repos now

 17:27 <flocculant> now

 17:28 <flocculant> I've picked up on a bunch of bugs ...

 17:28 <flocculant> some are being worked on. some low priority, some high

 17:28 <flocculant> I've spent some time with some in -desktop with Robert Ancell

 17:29 <Nairwolf> If Ubuntu wants to integrate gnome-software in a LTS, I suppose we can trust them and hope the package will be enough stable for a LTS, no ?

 17:29 <Nairwolf> I will test it tonight with the daily

 17:29 <flocculant> I *could* give the meeting a whole list of bug #'s - probably best though to just give us

 17:29 <flocculant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software

 17:30 <flocculant> team perhaps can look

 17:30 <flocculant> the couple of issues I've found very very recently are

 17:31 <flocculant> install some app - dependencies need apt-get autoremove > if this isn't changed - then we should at least let our people know

 17:32 <flocculant> currently you can run gs and synaptic at the same time > not been brave enough to kill this install - only found it just before meeting so no time to kill a vm

 17:32 <flocculant> bluesabre has picked up on a couple of points

 17:32 <pleia2> that's a fair number of bugs

 17:33 <flocculant> if people try and find bugs with gs with me as reporter - they'll be from our base

 17:33 <flocculant> I HAVE tried to confirm all in a vm

 17:33 <flocculant> end

 17:33 <flocculant> pleia2: ack - BUT

 17:34 <flocculant> robert and in fact all I've dealt with in -desktop have seemed to appreciate the bugs

 17:34 <flocculant> many are triaged/fix commited

 17:34 <pleia2> that's wonderful to hear :)

 17:34 <flocculant> so while there *are* bugs - I think one of *us* being there helps

 17:35 <flocculant> easy for a dev to not think about the bits elsewhere

 17:35 <flocculant> so then

 17:35 <flocculant> summing up

 17:35 <flocculant> I think that we should just go with it - the nasty stuff will get dealt with I'm sure - they need it a lot more than we do

 17:36 <flocculant> I hope that helps everyone :)

 17:36 <pleia2> wfm

 17:36 <pleia2> flocculant: is there a way xubuntu testers/contributors can pitch in with testing?

 17:36 <flocculant> pleia2: well

 17:36 <pleia2> people love playing with new things

 17:37 <flocculant> basically they should have it now - if they install from the image - they definitely will have after 10:00UTC today

 17:38 <flocculant> oh yea

 17:39 <flocculant> one thing I've noticed locally *today* and I think this is probably to do with x-defaults or something, not pinged bluesabre yet - I no longer see software (as gs) in my menu

 17:39 <flocculant> but it works in live

 17:39 <flocculant> /done

 17:39 <pleia2> I guess I mean, does the desktop team have a workflow/reporting/package test that people can do?

 17:41 <flocculant> not that I know of

 17:42 <flocculant> it wasn't seeing anything but local installed at the beginning of the week

 17:43 * pleia2 nods

 17:43 <pleia2> if they do come up with something, let me know so I can share it :)

 17:43 <pleia2> and maybe let them know that it could be a useful thing, if they want more testers and bugs reported

 17:44 <flocculant> ofc

 17:45 <pleia2> thanks flocculant, nice to see this moving along

 17:46 <flocculant> :)

 17:46 <pleia2> anyone else have anything to add?

 17:46 <knome> mm

 17:46 <knome> yes

 17:46 * knome stops ranting on the doc team meeting for a minute

 17:47 <knome> pleia2, wait, was this anything to add to the pkg manager discussion or anything?

 17:47 <pleia2> knome: this topic :)

 17:47 <knome> then nope

 17:47 * knome goes back to ranting

 17:47 <Nairwolf> I have to leave, I will read logs after.

 17:48 <pleia2> #topic Any other business

 17:48 <pleia2> now anything :)

 17:48 <flocculant> I guess we need to trak the icon down

 17:48 <flocculant> for the slideshow

 17:48 <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-February/011045.html

 17:50 <knome> anybody want to say anything, or should we just start the vote?

 17:50 <pleia2> oh! that wasn't on the agenda

 17:50 <pleia2> #info Strategy Document rewrite for "Xubuntu users" (and a bit more)

 17:51 <pleia2> I'm happy to vote

 17:51 <flocculant> :)

 17:51 <flocculant> knome: I'm good if the change I proposed went in

 17:51 <flocculant> wording iirc

 17:51 <knome> it's in revision 531

 17:51 <knome> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~knome/xubuntu-docs/xsd-community-updates-feb2016/revision/531

 17:52 <flocculant> yep - thought it was

 17:52 <knome> pleia2, start the vote then :)

 17:52 <pleia2> bluesabre: still here?

 17:52 <knome> pleia2, we'll just continue on the mailing list :)

 17:53 <pleia2> okie

 17:53 <flocculant> vote now wfm

 17:54 <pleia2> #vote Approve Strategy Document rewrite for "Xubuntu users" (and a bit more) (+1) or disapprove text (-1)

 17:54 <meetingology> Please vote on: Approve Strategy Document rewrite for "Xubuntu users" (and a bit more) (+1) or disapprove text (-1)

 17:54 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)

 17:54 <krytarik> +1

 17:54 <meetingology> +1 received from krytarik

 17:54 <flocculant> +1

 17:54 <meetingology> +1 received from flocculant

 17:54 <knome> +1

 17:54 <meetingology> +1 received from knome

 17:54 <knome> :D

 17:54 <pleia2> +1

 17:54 <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2

 17:54 <knome> bang!

 17:55 <pleia2> #endvote

 17:55 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Approve Strategy Document rewrite for "Xubuntu users" (and a bit more) (+1) or disapprove text (-1)

 17:55 <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0

 17:55 <meetingology> Motion carried

 17:55 <pleia2> we'll continue on list :)

 17:55 <pleia2> thanks knome

 17:55 <pleia2> anything else?

 17:55 <knome> i don't think so

 17:56 <pleia2> #topic Schedule next meeting

 17:56 <pleia2> lucky flocculant gets to schedule it next

 17:57 <flocculant> oh woot

 17:57 <pleia2> thanks flocculant!

 17:57 <pleia2> :)

 17:57 <knome> woohoo!

 17:57 <pleia2> thanks everyone, happy thursday

 17:57 <pleia2> #endmeeting



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