17:00 <pleia2> #startmeeting
17:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Mar  3 17:00:03 2016 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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17:00 <flocculant> I'm apparently available for this :)
17:00 <pleia2> we have an angeda
17:00 <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings#Agenda
17:00 <pleia2> who all is here for our community team meeting? :)
17:01 <flocculant> I'm apparently available for this :)
17:01 <knome> slickymasterWork is on and off
17:01 <flocculant> :)
17:01 <knome> as always
17:01 <knome> and i'm here as well
17:01 * bluesabre is watching
17:01 <slickymasterWork> I'll doubt I'll be able to continue logged on
17:01 <Nairwolf> I'm here
17:01 <flocculant> hey bluesabre
17:01 <pleia2> great
17:01 <pleia2> #topic Open action items
17:01 <pleia2> looks like we have just the one: knome and branau to collaborate with setting up a wordpress instance for the wallpaper submissions by sunday, feb 21
17:02 <pleia2> knome: status update?
17:02 <knome> done
17:02 <pleia2> \o/
17:02 <knome> we're running testing at the moment
17:02 <knome> after that's done, we can announce the contest
17:02 <knome> so next week
17:02 <pleia2> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-March/011059.html
17:02 <pleia2> ^^ if you want to be a guinea pig
17:02 <pleia2> I mean help
17:03 <dkessel> russian is first, surprisingly... never noticed any russian here....
17:03 <pleia2> alright, moving on
17:03 <pleia2> #topic Updates and Announcements
17:04 <flocculant> sorry
17:04 <flocculant> just quickly
17:04 <flocculant> knome: if you do need testing - I can
17:04 <knome> flocculant, ack, i'll send you the testing info after the meeting
17:06 <pleia2> so, any updates/announcements?
17:07 <pleia2> #info Beta 1 happened http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-16-04-lts-beta-1/
17:07 <knome> #info knome has been working on the article series for the website: http://wiki.xubuntu.org/website/series
17:08 <knome> re: those, the plan is to publish the frist "my media manager" article on week 12
17:08 <knome> schedule for the other series is still open, it depends a lot on the amount of articles we have
17:08 <knome> if people have ideas, feel free to add them to the wiki
17:09 <pleia2> thanks knome
17:09 <knome> if people want to help with the articles, just poke me or edit the wiki page noting you are working on something
17:09 <Nairwolf> do you want to translate these articles ?
17:10 <knome> the website doesn't support translations currently, so to begin with, no
17:10 <knome> but if somebody works with local teams, they can totally cooperate with us to publish translated articles on their websites
17:11 <Nairwolf> I will do that, in France xubuntu is really popular
17:11 <flocculant> \o/
17:11 <pleia2> alright, drifting off topic from announcements
17:12 <pleia2> any other updates?
17:13 <pleia2> #topic Discussion items
17:13 <pleia2> #subtopic The installer slideshow
17:14 <pleia2> Full info: The installer slideshow has been kept the same for some time now, other than a few small graphical changes and some rewording of the slides. Should we keep this type of approach or should we choose a completely different approach?
17:14 <knome> there is a WIP branch at https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-doc/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1604
17:14 <pleia2> I looked at it yesterday, pretty sparse so far but shaping up nicely
17:14 <knome> and commentary/discussion has been ongoing on this channel as well as at http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-1604-slideshow
17:14 <knome> so the "WIP" part means we still lack some artwork
17:14 <knome> and some of the content isn't final
17:14 <Nairwolf> I can't access to this pad, is it because I'm not in xubuntu team ?
17:15 <knome> and we might add one more slide that discusses the customizability
17:15 <flocculant> Nairwolf: go to offtopic
17:15 <flocculant> might?
17:15 <flocculant> I think that we should
17:16 <flocculant> given it'll be live for 3 years
17:16 <knome> the other option is to include the content in the desktop slide
17:16 <flocculant> oh
17:16 <flocculant> sorry :)
17:16 <knome> ...but so far, since we don't know what kind of content it is, it's impossible to make a judgement on whether it should have its own slide or not
17:16 <knome> so as always, ideas are welcome
17:17 <pleia2> knome: oh, explain how to download and run the slideshow?
17:17 <knome> yes
17:17 <flocculant> I'd like to see some more on *customise* to be honest
17:18 <knome> 1) bzr branch lp:~xubuntu-doc/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1604
17:18 <knome> 2) cd to the branch root
17:18 <knome> 3) ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu
17:19 <flocculant> should be in http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/documentation.html perhaps
17:19 <flocculant> or somewhere ...
17:19 <knome> flocculant, yeah, we currently have none really, quite a bit of that can fit in the desktop slide if we lose the two columns at the bottom
17:19 <flocculant> perhaps
17:20 <flocculant> except you were saying it had too much anyway
17:20 <knome> flocculant, this branch is temporary, but yeah, we could mention the usual slideshow branch
17:20 <flocculant> I wonder if perhaps we could
17:20 <flocculant> slide > introduces stuff
17:20 <flocculant> slide > expands a bit
17:20 <flocculant> but ofc - time constraint(s)
17:21 <flocculant> I see about 2 slides when I install on ssd
17:21 <knome> :)
17:21 <knome> we likely don't want to add more than 1 more slide if even that
17:21 <flocculant> :)
17:22 <flocculant> I'll retract then given I want a contribute one :D
17:22 <knome> flocculant, there is a contribute slide...
17:22 <knome> basically, the idea behind these changes has been that we should move the content to the website (and other places) and mostly only point to them
17:22 <flocculant> so we have 1 to play with :)
17:22 <pleia2> and to remove my cat :'(
17:22 <knome> because the information is valuable even for those who aren't installing
17:22 <flocculant> ofc
17:22 <knome> pleia2, as i said, we can add one more bubble in the local support slide saying "Meow"
17:23 <flocculant> in blue
17:23 <pleia2> indeed :)
17:23 <pleia2> but we don't translate into cat, so maybe that's confusing
17:23 <pleia2> and my cats are too lazy to do translations
17:23 <knome> but isn't the vocabulary very small too, just dump in random "meow"s and "mow"s
17:24 <knome> :P
17:24 <flocculant> knome: if you've some time later perhaps we could thrash a few bits out - working on from the conversation earlier
17:25 <knome> yep
17:25 <pleia2> so, want to continue this outside a meeting?
17:25 <knome> no, but ok :(
17:25 <knome> (just kidding)
17:25 <pleia2> har
17:25 <flocculant> hah - we can carry on if people want
17:25 <pleia2> I don't have much to add just yet
17:26 <pleia2> #subtopic Gnome-software update
17:26 <flocculant> oh my
17:26 <pleia2> Full info: Gnome-software update - aiming for decision by 7th March
17:26 <pleia2> so, who wants to start on this one? :)
17:27 <flocculant> so then - a few words I can start with then a link
17:27 <flocculant> we've now got gs in the seed
17:27 <flocculant> I've spent most of the week playing about with it
17:27 <flocculant> you can install stuff from repos now
17:27 <flocculant> now
17:28 <flocculant> I've picked up on a bunch of bugs ...
17:28 <flocculant> some are being worked on. some low priority, some high
17:28 <flocculant> I've spent some time with some in -desktop with Robert Ancell
17:29 <Nairwolf> If Ubuntu wants to integrate gnome-software in a LTS, I suppose we can trust them and hope the package will be enough stable for a LTS, no ?
17:29 <Nairwolf> I will test it tonight with the daily
17:29 <flocculant> I *could* give the meeting a whole list of bug #'s - probably best though to just give us
17:29 <flocculant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software
17:30 <flocculant> team perhaps can look
17:30 <flocculant> the couple of issues I've found very very recently are
17:31 <flocculant> install some app - dependencies need apt-get autoremove > if this isn't changed - then we should at least let our people know
17:32 <flocculant> currently you can run gs and synaptic at the same time > not been brave enough to kill this install - only found it just before meeting so no time to kill a vm
17:32 <flocculant> bluesabre has picked up on a couple of points
17:32 <pleia2> that's a fair number of bugs
17:33 <flocculant> if people try and find bugs with gs with me as reporter - they'll be from our base
17:33 <flocculant> I HAVE tried to confirm all in a vm
17:33 <flocculant> end
17:33 <flocculant> pleia2: ack - BUT
17:34 <flocculant> robert and in fact all I've dealt with in -desktop have seemed to appreciate the bugs
17:34 <flocculant> many are triaged/fix commited
17:34 <pleia2> that's wonderful to hear :)
17:34 <flocculant> so while there *are* bugs - I think one of *us* being there helps
17:35 <flocculant> easy for a dev to not think about the bits elsewhere
17:35 <flocculant> so then
17:35 <flocculant> summing up
17:35 <flocculant> I think that we should just go with it - the nasty stuff will get dealt with I'm sure - they need it a lot more than we do
17:36 <flocculant> I hope that helps everyone :)
17:36 <pleia2> wfm
17:36 <pleia2> flocculant: is there a way xubuntu testers/contributors can pitch in with testing?
17:36 <flocculant> pleia2: well
17:36 <pleia2> people love playing with new things
17:37 <flocculant> basically they should have it now - if they install from the image - they definitely will have after 10:00UTC today
17:38 <flocculant> oh yea
17:39 <flocculant> one thing I've noticed locally *today* and I think this is probably to do with x-defaults or something, not pinged bluesabre yet - I no longer see software (as gs) in my menu
17:39 <flocculant> but it works in live
17:39 <flocculant> /done
17:39 <pleia2> I guess I mean, does the desktop team have a workflow/reporting/package test that people can do?
17:41 <flocculant> not that I know of
17:42 <flocculant> it wasn't seeing anything but local installed at the beginning of the week
17:43 * pleia2 nods
17:43 <pleia2> if they do come up with something, let me know so I can share it :)
17:43 <pleia2> and maybe let them know that it could be a useful thing, if they want more testers and bugs reported
17:44 <flocculant> ofc
17:45 <pleia2> thanks flocculant, nice to see this moving along
17:46 <flocculant> :)
17:46 <pleia2> anyone else have anything to add?
17:46 <knome> mm
17:46 <knome> yes
17:46 * knome stops ranting on the doc team meeting for a minute
17:47 <knome> pleia2, wait, was this anything to add to the pkg manager discussion or anything?
17:47 <pleia2> knome: this topic :)
17:47 <knome> then nope
17:47 * knome goes back to ranting
17:47 <Nairwolf> I have to leave, I will read logs after.
17:48 <pleia2> #topic Any other business
17:48 <pleia2> now anything :)
17:48 <flocculant> I guess we need to trak the icon down
17:48 <flocculant> for the slideshow
17:48 <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-February/011045.html
17:50 <knome> anybody want to say anything, or should we just start the vote?
17:50 <pleia2> oh! that wasn't on the agenda
17:50 <pleia2> #info Strategy Document rewrite for "Xubuntu users" (and a bit more)
17:51 <pleia2> I'm happy to vote
17:51 <flocculant> :)
17:51 <flocculant> knome: I'm good if the change I proposed went in
17:51 <flocculant> wording iirc
17:51 <knome> it's in revision 531
17:51 <knome> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~knome/xubuntu-docs/xsd-community-updates-feb2016/revision/531
17:52 <flocculant> yep - thought it was
17:52 <knome> pleia2, start the vote then :)
17:52 <pleia2> bluesabre: still here?
17:52 <knome> pleia2, we'll just continue on the mailing list :)
17:53 <pleia2> okie
17:53 <flocculant> vote now wfm
17:54 <pleia2> #vote Approve Strategy Document rewrite for "Xubuntu users" (and a bit more) (+1) or disapprove text (-1)
17:54 <meetingology> Please vote on: Approve Strategy Document rewrite for "Xubuntu users" (and a bit more) (+1) or disapprove text (-1)
17:54 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
17:54 <krytarik> +1
17:54 <meetingology> +1 received from krytarik
17:54 <flocculant> +1
17:54 <meetingology> +1 received from flocculant
17:54 <knome> +1
17:54 <meetingology> +1 received from knome
17:54 <knome> :D
17:54 <pleia2> +1
17:54 <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
17:54 <knome> bang!
17:55 <pleia2> #endvote
17:55 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Approve Strategy Document rewrite for "Xubuntu users" (and a bit more) (+1) or disapprove text (-1)
17:55 <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
17:55 <meetingology> Motion carried
17:55 <pleia2> we'll continue on list :)
17:55 <pleia2> thanks knome
17:55 <pleia2> anything else?
17:55 <knome> i don't think so
17:56 <pleia2> #topic Schedule next meeting
17:56 <pleia2> lucky flocculant gets to schedule it next
17:57 <flocculant> oh woot
17:57 <pleia2> thanks flocculant!
17:57 <pleia2> :)
17:57 <knome> woohoo!
17:57 <pleia2> thanks everyone, happy thursday
17:57 <pleia2> #endmeeting