== Meeting information ==
 * #xubuntu-devel Meeting, 03 Nov at 11:00 — 11:39 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-11-03-11.00.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== Open action items ===
The discussion about "Open action items" started at 11:01.


=== Updates and Announcements ===
The discussion about "Updates and Announcements" started at 11:03.

  * to see what people have worked on, check http://tracker.xubuntu.org/#tab-timeline
  * gmb currently disabled from testing re known bug (flocculant)
  * call for first priority tests went out (flocculant)
  * had 6 new people arrive at Xubuntu testers since cycle start (flocculant)
  * had someone (akxwi-dave) join Xubuntu QA (flocculant)
  * testcases all gone through 1 check, some new changes landed (flocculant)
  * looking at adding QA 'stuff' to the new contributor docs (flocculant)
  * QA trello set up so testers can see what's happening (flocculant)
  * QA trello has a 'Disabled Tests' card there for information (flocculant)

=== Discussion ===
The discussion about "Discussion" started at 11:11.

 * '''16.04 Wallpaper contest?''' (11:11)
  * ''ACTION:'' knome to send a mail about volunteers to run the wallpaper contest
  * ''ACTION:'' bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface for the wallpaper contest
 * '''Media manager choice''' (11:24)
  * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/X/DefaultMediaManager 
  * ''ACTION:'' ochosi to set up a poll for voting on option A) or B) from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/X/DefaultMediaManager

=== Schedule next meeting ===
The discussion about "Schedule next meeting" started at 11:36.

  * ''ACTION:'' flocculant to schedule the next meeting



== Vote results ==




== Action items, by person ==

 * bluesabre
  * bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface for the wallpaper contest
 * knome
  * knome to send a mail about volunteers to run the wallpaper contest
 * ochosi
  * ochosi to set up a poll for voting on option A) or B) from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/X/DefaultMediaManager



== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * knome (88)
 * ochosi (77)
 * bluesabre (36)
 * meetingology (12)
 * Nairwolf (6)
 * akxwi_dave (2)
 * slickymasterWork (2)
 * krytarik (1)



== Full Log ==


 11:00 <ochosi> #startmeeting

 11:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov  3 11:00:28 2015 UTC.  The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 11:00 <meetingology> 

 11:00 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 11:00 <knome> o/

 11:00 <krytarik> o/

 11:00 <bluesabre> woo!

 11:00 <ochosi> o/ :)

 11:01 <ochosi> #topic Open action items

 11:01 <ochosi> i don't see any open action items

 11:01 <knome> yep, rc has gone

 11:02 <ochosi> all the others seem done too

 11:02 <ochosi> k, let's move along then...

 11:02 * slickymasterWork is sort of here

 11:02 <knome> well,

 11:02 <bluesabre> hi slickymasterWork

 11:02 <knome> xubuntu-team to decide on default media player prior to alpha 2 in order to deal with usability and accessibility concerns

 11:02 <slickymasterWork> a bit in and out

 11:02 <knome> but that's a work item

 11:02 <ochosi> knome: yeah, but that's in discussion

 11:02 <knome> ochosi, but it's an open action item :P

 11:02 <ochosi> i'd rather re-define the workitem there

 11:02 <ochosi> gah

 11:02 <bluesabre> :D

 11:03 <ochosi> the buraucrat strikes again...

 11:03 <knome> yes

 11:03 <ochosi> ;)

 11:03 * knome pours more salt

 11:03 <ochosi> #topic Updates and Announcements

 11:03 <ochosi> soo, since there are no team updates anymore, what's new everyone?

 11:03 <ochosi> i saw all the blueprints + tracker are set up for X, so we seem ready to go

 11:03 <knome> #info to see what people have worked on, check http://tracker.xubuntu.org/#tab-timeline

 11:04 <ochosi> knome: i hope you'll post that every time we do a meeting :D

 11:04 <knome> i'll try

 11:04 <ochosi> anyone else any updates?

 11:04 <knome> i guess we should start building up the blueprints more

 11:04 <ochosi> yeah

 11:05 <knome> i'm sure there are still work items that we need to do but aren't listed

 11:05 <ochosi> still mostly skeletons

 11:05 <bluesabre> not much here, just really getting back into the swing of things

 11:05 <bluesabre> probably going to be working on thunar bugs initially

 11:06 <ochosi> mm nice

 11:06 <knome> work on bugs ++

 11:07 <knome> ochosi, did you get the #infos from flocculant ?

 11:08 <ochosi> right

 11:08 <ochosi> thanks for the reminder

 11:08 <ochosi> #info gmb currently disabled from testing re known bug (flocculant)

 11:09 <ochosi> #info call for first priority tests went out (flocculant)

 11:09 <ochosi> #info had 6 new people arrive at Xubuntu testers since cycle start (flocculant)

 11:09 <ochosi> #info had someone (akxwi-dave) join Xubuntu QA (flocculant)

 11:09 <ochosi> #info testcases all gone through 1 check, some new changes landed (flocculant)

 11:09 <ochosi> #info looking at adding QA 'stuff' to the new contributor docs (flocculant)

 11:09 <ochosi> #info QA trello set up so testers can see what's happening (flocculant)

 11:09 <ochosi> #info QA trello has a 'Disabled Tests' card there for information (flocculant)

 11:09 <ochosi> any other news or updates from your sides?

 11:09 <bluesabre> oh

 11:10 <bluesabre> nope

 11:10 <bluesabre> :D

 11:10 <knome> well as the tracker says, we set up the contributor docs process

 11:11 <ochosi> yeah, i guess there's no need to repeat what's already on the tracker

 11:11 <ochosi> so let's move along...

 11:11 <ochosi> #topic Discussion

 11:11 <knome> well, i thought it was important enough to note ;)

 11:11 <ochosi> #subtopic 16.04 Wallpaper contest?

 11:12 <ochosi> so, i generally second the idea (as I've already mentioned here when the idea was brought up, i think by dkessel)

 11:12 <knome> yep

 11:12 <ochosi> but i'm a bit doubtful of what the best way to do this is

 11:12 <knome> when dkessel brought this up, i expressed some of my concerns

 11:12 <knome> summarized:

 11:12 <ochosi> last time was - in all honesty - more a "search for nice pics online and get the authors to submit" than really rely on what gets submitted

 11:12 <knome> 1) who'll run the contest and do the work

 11:13 <knome> 2) quality of submissions (as pointed out by simon above)

 11:13 <knome> and i guess 3) licenses need to be checked and all that packaging work done too

 11:14 <bluesabre> I think we used the wiki for submissions last time, right?

 11:14 <knome> 1/3 are the "easier" ones to sort out

 11:14 <knome> bluesabre, yep

 11:14 <bluesabre> let's *not* do that this time :D

 11:14 <ochosi> i'd personally add 4) what's our strategy when there aren't any good submissions? (keep the old ones?)

 11:14 <knome> well

 11:14 <knome> ochosi, kind of related with 2), but yeah

 11:14 <bluesabre> ochosi: we can initially submit the old ones as part of the contest

 11:14 <ochosi> yeah

 11:14 <knome> re: platform for submissions

 11:15 <bluesabre> might even inspire folks to give us their best :D

 11:15 <knome> i would use something that either requires lno login

 11:15 <knome> or if it requires a login, something that accepts a LP login

 11:15 <ochosi> yeah, that was the main advantage of the wiki

 11:15 <ochosi> having the LP SSO

 11:15 <knome> bluesabre, not a bad idea

 11:16 <knome> bluesabre, though are we then really looking for *better* pics, or are "slightly worse" pics going to get a preference because they are "new" ?

 11:16 <ochosi> yeah +1

 11:16 <knome> because i'd prefer new pics over old ones

 11:17 <bluesabre> knome: well, it's whatever feels right.  If we get a bunch of crap, we choose the old

 11:17 <knome> but i'm not sure if we can actually get "better" submissions at least for the whole bunch

 11:17 <knome> bluesabre, sure, but we need to be ready to give a rationale for this, and it would probably be a good idea to say it aloud before the contest begins

 11:18 <knome> bluesabre, so it's not a surprise to anybody, or that we can't be blamed for skewing the results

 11:18 <bluesabre> yup

 11:18 <knome> that's the part which takes likely the most work

 11:18 <knome> so i think next we'd need volunteers

 11:18 <ochosi> yup

 11:18 <ochosi> agreed

 11:18 <bluesabre> "You may notice a few familiar favorites in the competion. Our choice selects from the last contest are here to duke it out"

 11:21 <bluesabre> I was suggesting that I could potentially build a nice voting tool that compares each to the others and sorts based on +1s... wouldn't be terribly complex I'd imagine

 11:21 <knome> bluesabre, web interface?

 11:21 <bluesabre> yeah

 11:21 <knome> bluesabre, loggable to with LP?

 11:21 <knome> if you write it in PHP, i can help ;)

 11:22 <knome> anyway...

 11:22 <bluesabre> knome: I'll investigate

 11:22 <bluesabre> and yeah, php for sure

 11:22 <knome> #action knome to send a mail about volunteers to run the wallpaper contest

 11:22 * meetingology knome to send a mail about volunteers to run the wallpaper contest

 11:22 <ochosi> cool, thanks knome

 11:22 <knome> #action bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface

 11:22 * meetingology bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface

 11:22 <ochosi> if that ^ fails and we don't find a volunteer to drive this, i guess bluesabre won't have to investigate ;)

 11:22 <ochosi> oops, too late

 11:23 <knome> haha

 11:23 <knome> well actually

 11:23 <knome> #undo

 11:23 <knome> ochosi, ^ you need to do that, you're the chair...

 11:23 <ochosi> #chair knome, ochosi

 11:23 <meetingology> Current chairs: knome ochosi

 11:23 <ochosi> #undo

 11:23 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION

 11:23 <knome> #action bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface

 11:23 * meetingology bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface

 11:23 <knome> eh?

 11:23 <knome> #undo

 11:23 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION

 11:23 <knome> #action bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface for the wallpaper contest

 11:23 * meetingology bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface for the wallpaper contest

 11:23 <knome> that

 11:23 <bluesabre> lol

 11:23 <ochosi> ok, ready to move on?

 11:23 <knome> yep

 11:23 <bluesabre> yup

 11:24 <ochosi> #subtopic Media manager choice

 11:24 <ochosi> ok, this better be fun

 11:24 <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/X/DefaultMediaManager

 11:24 <ochosi> yeah, i wonder whether there aren#t more options than A and B

 11:24 <bluesabre> there's few of us around, so we have that going for us this morning

 11:24 <knome> options C-> are really just "replace gmb with X"

 11:24 <ochosi> but yeah, i'm ok with only those two as well, makes things easier

 11:24 <knome> where X is a random media manager

 11:24 <ochosi> yeah, maybe we don't want that

 11:24 <ochosi> you're right i guess

 11:25 <knome> but personally, i would probably vote B atm

 11:25 <bluesabre> the thing that bites about gmb is that is developed in a completely different language than all of our other apps

 11:25 <ochosi> should we make this dependent on whether the gmb-crash-on-close bug gets resolved?

 11:25 <bluesabre> so I'm quite a bit less effective for bug review there

 11:26 <knome> ochosi, well that's one of the questions of

 11:26 <knome> +A

 11:26 <ochosi> i mean it's just something to keep in mind, it's pretty much a showstopper from my pov

 11:26 <knome> ochosi, i mean, option A might not be valid

 11:26 <knome> ochosi, even if the crash bug was fixed

 11:26 <knome> if people thought there are too many other problems with it

 11:26 <knome> or not enough documentation

 11:26 <ochosi> yeah

 11:26 <ochosi> anyhow, is there much to discuss now from your povs?

 11:27 <knome> since we want to resolve this issue ASAP...

 11:27 <knome> i would probably start by voting on whether we want to ship *any* media manager or not

 11:27 <knome> eg. option B or A/C->

 11:27 <Nairwolf> in which language is writtent gmb ?

 11:27 <knome> Nairwolf, perl

 11:27 <Nairwolf> argh..

 11:28 <knome> ochosi, what do you think?

 11:28 <bluesabre> a media manager is not so essential I feel

 11:28 <knome> well

 11:28 <knome> as i see it

 11:28 <knome> it's very essential for many people

 11:28 <bluesabre> since parole can still *play* everything, the functionality of xubuntu is not immediately degraded

 11:28 <knome> but it's so essential that we can't ever please everybody

 11:28 <knome> because the choice is very personal...

 11:29 <bluesabre> and if I wanted a media manager, I'd want it to manage videos as well

 11:29 <bluesabre> :D

 11:29 <knome> bluesabre, except some of my DVDs

 11:29 * knome hides

 11:29 * bluesabre cries

 11:30 <Nairwolf> sorry if my question is stupid, why not using vlc ? It seems to work much better than parole, and it can play videos and music.

 11:31 <ochosi> Nairwolf: that comes up time and time again

 11:31 <knome> Nairwolf, depends on qt

 11:31 <bluesabre> Nairwolf: vlc does not use GTK (instead uses QT) and brings in additional requirements for a single app

 11:31 <ochosi> the answer is always the same...

 11:31 <ochosi> yeah, i'm in favor of B too

 11:31 <knome> ochosi, third time's the charm... answer it!

 11:31 <bluesabre> go go go!

 11:32 <Nairwolf> sorry guys, I didn't know that

 11:32 <bluesabre> np

 11:32 <Nairwolf> most of xubuntu apps use GTK ?

 11:32 <knome> none of them use qt

 11:32 <knome> and yeah, *all* of them use gtk

 11:33 <ochosi> ok, it's qt

 11:33 <ochosi> that's the problem :)

 11:33 <knome> so maybe we should set up a poll for keeping a media manager or losing it

 11:33 <bluesabre> (though vlc is a fan favorite of many/many users)

 11:34 <knome> they can install it with the qt dependencies the first second after the installation has finished :)

 11:34 <ochosi> yeah, i guess a poll would be the right thing to do

 11:34 <knome> ochosi, since it's a huge thing for many, would you, as XPL, run that?

 11:35 <Nairwolf> Do you already have some feedbacks about the media player ?

 11:35 <akxwi_dave> Rythmbox and VC first thing installed for me on anew install

 11:35 <knome> Nairwolf, check the link i pasted above.

 11:35 <ochosi> #action ochosi to set up a poll for voting on option A) or B) from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/X/DefaultMediaManager

 11:35 * meetingology ochosi to set up a poll for voting on option A) or B) from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/X/DefaultMediaManager

 11:36 <ochosi> alright, ready to move on then?

 11:36 <ochosi> (don't wanna get into the actual discussion here and now

 11:36 <ochosi> )

 11:36 <knome> akxwi_dave, you mean rhythmbox and vlc? because i can't find rythmbox or vc from the repositories ;P

 11:36 <knome> ochosi, yep

 11:36 <bluesabre> knome: you troll

 11:36 <knome> :Ð

 11:36 <bluesabre> ochosi: let's go

 11:36 <ochosi> i always knew knome was not a gnome but a troll!

 11:36 <akxwi_dave> lol.. sorry bad typing  :-)

 11:36 <ochosi> #topic Schedule next meeting

 11:37 <knome> who's in turn

 11:37 <bluesabre> ochosi draws a name out of his fancy top hat

 11:38 <ochosi> meh, can't login on LP now

 11:38 <ochosi> can someone else check the meetings page?

 11:38 <knome> QA: flocculant

 11:38 <ochosi> oh gee, finally...

 11:39 <ochosi> #action flocculant to schedule the next meeting

 11:39 * meetingology flocculant to schedule the next meeting

 11:39 <ochosi> #endmeeting



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