== Meeting information == * #xubuntu-devel Meeting, 16 Oct at 20:00 — 20:53 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-10-16-20.00.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Open Action Items === The discussion about "Open Action Items" started at 20:03. * ''ACTION:'' knome to set up voting on meeting structure === Team Updates === The discussion about "Team Updates" started at 20:06. * started the 16.04 doc read through and MP done === Discussion === The discussion about "Discussion" started at 20:09. * '''Last minute Wily issues for discussion''' (20:10) * ''ACTION:'' flocculant to build Specifications/X/DefaultMediaPlayer * '''Core ISO/ CD:DVD''' (20:15) * '''15.10 RC and testing''' (20:20) * '''16.04 Milestones''' (20:25) * From a development perspective, we're targeting bug fixes to make 16.04 super stable. Don't expect a lot of new features, so testing done at all parts of the cycle will be incredibly relevant * '''16.04 Package Testing''' (20:29) * Usability bug reports are fair game. These changes really make Xfce and Xubuntu easier to use for lots of people. If things don't seem quite right with an application, let us know * ''ACTION:'' xubuntu-team to decide on default media player prior to alpha 2 in order to deal with usability and accessibility concerns * ''ACTION:'' flocculant To take default media player discussion to M/L * '''Core re-run''' (20:38) * '''Bug Tagging''' (20:48) === Schedule Next Meeting === The discussion about "Schedule Next Meeting" started at 20:51. * ''ACTION:'' XPL or Technical Lead to set next meeting at the start of X cycle == Vote results == == Action items, by person == * flocculant * flocculant to build Specifications/X/DefaultMediaPlayer * flocculant To take default media player discussion to M/L * knome * knome to set up voting on meeting structure * **UNASSIGNED** * xubuntu-team to decide on default media player prior to alpha 2 in order to deal with usability and accessibility concerns * XPL or Technical Lead to set next meeting at the start of X cycle == Done items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * flocculant (118) * knome (60) * Unit193 (10) * meetingology (8) * krytarik (3) * Noskcaj (2) == Full Log == 20:00 #startmeeting 20:00 Meeting started Fri Oct 16 20:00:18 2015 UTC. The chair is flocculant. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 20:00 20:00 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 20:00 and who other than me is about :) 20:00 * krytarik is 20:01 O/ 20:01 hey Noskcaj :) 20:02 hullo 20:02 well hopefully this should be fairly swift 20:03 let's just get on 20:03 #topic Open Action Items 20:03 my item is done 20:03 we just need to vote on it now 20:03 excellent 20:04 knome: shall we just take that to m/l or start here? 20:04 I'm easy either way 20:04 let's do it on the M/L 20:04 i'll do that today 20:04 ok :) 20:05 #action knome to set up voting on meeting structure 20:05 * meetingology knome to set up voting on meeting structure 20:05 ta :) 20:05 # Topic Team Updates 20:05 I do have an extra from earlier 20:05 flocculant, that isn't picked up btw 20:05 what isn't? 20:05 flocculant, you need to stick topic to # 20:06 #Topic Team Updates 20:06 (afaik) 20:06 #info started the 16.04 doc read through and MP done 20:06 anything from others? 20:07 I be it should be t instead of T too :p 20:08 anything from Noskcaj or knome ? 20:08 everything from me is in the tracker 20:09 but no, nothing really for now 20:09 Noskcaj: anything - I know you've just got back ofc 20:09 #topic Discussion 20:10 #subtopic Last minute Wily issues for discussion 20:10 from the last meeting all that came up was 20:10 1 - gmb issue still a problem 20:11 2 - getting the default media player back into discussion 20:11 anyone with comments on those? 20:12 bah - 2 - getting the default media player choice back into discussion 20:12 at least it "only" crashes on close 20:12 but 2, totally, for 16.04 20:12 yea 20:12 too late for any changes now 20:12 ok so we just need to X the W and run with that 20:13 #action flocculant to build Specifications/X/DefaultMediaPlayer 20:13 * meetingology flocculant to build Specifications/X/DefaultMediaPlayer 20:13 I'll do that once we're finished 20:13 :) 20:13 fwiw, my action item is done 20:13 really hard ... 20:13 knome: ok :) 20:14 mmm 20:14 fleeting thought then 20:15 oh yea - not really Wily, but currently our wiki bar had vivid roadmap etc on it - are we going to keep on with that? 20:15 eg XX soon? 20:15 i don't think so 20:15 i'll fix that now 20:15 ok - thanks knome :) 20:15 #subtopic Core ISO/ CD:DVD 20:16 so we were hoping that Unit193 would be about 20:16 * krytarik too 20:16 krytarik said in earlier meeting that nothing had changed 20:17 at the moment the bp has the latest task with no owner, so it doesn't show up, I'd say that for the moment we should just postpone that and give it an owner 20:17 Not after we pinged them again last Friday anyway. 20:17 then get it on the X bp 20:17 ok, wiki menu updated 20:18 I'd suggest that we add that to the whiteboard on -dev too 20:18 bluesabre and I both want to see this in asap for X 20:19 me too 20:19 knome: ooh - that looks good ;) 20:19 shouldn't be alphabetical though - or Z to A :D 20:20 thanks :) 20:20 #subtopic 15.10 RC and testing 20:20 self explanatory - please test this :) 20:21 I'll not redo (or copy) my info's from a few hours ago 20:22 knome Noskcaj any comments on the RC? 20:22 i haven't had time to test it, but by all other signs, we're looking pretty good 20:22 or in other words 20:22 phenomenal work again, everybody! 20:22 yep - it is looking all pretty much good 20:22 yep 20:23 I really do think that release by release we look more and more polished 20:23 totally 20:23 really is phenomenal work by those who do it :) 20:23 let's keep on the same direction for 16.04 and it will be an awesome release with a relatively recent, stable xfce version - something to look in awe for years 20:23 yep for sure 20:24 anyway - before we all slap each other on the back so hard we're all unconscious - let's move on 20:25 #subtopic 16.04 Milestones 20:25 the consensus in the earlier meeting was to A2 in that cycle 20:25 any objections to that? 20:25 that sounds sane if it looks like we aren't in a total mess at that point 20:26 but since it's an LTS cycle, that's unlikely 20:26 even so 20:26 so +1 for that from me 20:26 thanks 20:26 I should info bluesabre's info here :) 20:26 #info From a development perspective, we're targeting bug fixes to make 16.04 super stable. Don't expect a lot of new features, so testing done at all parts of the cycle will be incredibly relevant 20:27 Noskcaj: you up for that ;) 20:28 as part of the dev team rather than testing 20:29 #subtopic 16.04 Package Testing 20:29 so - the long and short of this is - we will be bringing it back for the next cycle 20:29 more specifically aimed at times 20:30 one more important info from earlier 20:30 #info Usability bug reports are fair game. These changes really make Xfce and Xubuntu easier to use for lots of people. If things don't seem quite right with an application, let us know 20:30 if we change the default media player, that should happen ASAP 20:30 usability and accessibility 20:30 yep 20:31 (even if we can't promise to fix them) 20:31 yea for sure 20:32 #action xubuntu-team to decide on default media player prior to alpha 2 in order to deal with usability and accessibility concerns 20:32 * meetingology xubuntu-team to decide on default media player prior to alpha 2 in order to deal with usability and accessibility concerns 20:32 flocculant, a late reply, but yeah, sounds good 20:32 :) 20:32 wasn't sure if you had disappeared then :) 20:33 #action flocculant To take default media player discussion to M/L 20:33 * meetingology flocculant To take default media player discussion to M/L 20:33 %action knome to make a grumpy reply on the media player discussion 20:33 O:) 20:33 ha ha ha 20:34 i think i could say it here: i think one of the best choices would be to not ship a default media player 20:34 %action flocculant to want qt in xubuntu so he can have clementine 20:34 then we could et over this silly discussion on every cycle 20:34 +g 20:35 knome: that is a logical choice - given that while parole is not a music player - it plays anything I throw at it 20:35 remove gmb and just slam a FAQ article for people about some of the favorite media players for the team members 20:35 yep 20:35 flocculant, except some DVD's 20:35 * knome hides 20:35 ha ha 20:35 knome assumes that flocculant has a drive in his machine :p 20:36 heh 20:36 some people still do use optical media 20:36 Hi. 20:36 HELLOOOOO UNIIIIIIIT! 20:36 hi Unit193 :) 20:38 #subtopic Core re-run 20:38 just bring this up :) 20:38 Unit193: can you give a brief precise of where we are with that please :) 20:39 just some #info's would be cool 20:39 Well everything has been done on our side for a while, just waiting for someone to review and merge it. Still. 20:39 So nothing new? 20:40 i've tried to /wii slangasek a few times, haven't been online at the same time with him to get a comment from him 20:40 Unit193, everything means all changes he requested after the first review, i suppose? 20:40 So, we've poked infinity a few times, slangasek a couple times... 20:41 Unit193: what do you think is the best way to move this forward asap - no-one wants this to drop off the radar I guess 20:41 knome: No, that was done more recently, not months ago. But it is ready too yes. 20:41 Unit193, good good 20:41 flocculant, i'll keep an eye on it too and try to get a hold of slangasek who looked at it the last time 20:42 flocculant, it might be something happens only after 15.10 release though 20:42 Unit193: can you add core tasks to the 16.04 bp ? 20:42 flocculant: Kind of out of my control, not much I can do. I really wanted someone to merge before XXX so I wouldn't have to rebase.. 20:42 yea - not blaming anyone obviously 20:42 Unit193, maybe we can get it in before the new stuff kicks in 20:42 Sure, it's just there's not much we/I *can* do. 20:43 knome: Hopefully. 20:43 but at least we can [xubuntu-team] the task then we all know and can prod it 20:43 flocculant, i'm with Unit193 here for now; let's keep this on manual control 20:43 as he says, everything is done on our side 20:43 now we just need somebody to look at it 20:44 knome: yea - get that, but it needs to be trackable for us with the tracker 20:44 And I'd like to keep it that way, so hopefully before all the X changes hit... 20:44 Unit193: ack that 20:44 *we* just need to track it 20:45 bluesabre and I both want to get this at least on the tracker properly asap 20:45 flocculant, added an item 20:45 [ubuntu-cdimage] Review xubuntu-core patches: INPROGRESS 20:45 doesn't matter so much if it breaks - but it means we *can* track it 20:46 knome: ok cool - ty, pretty sure I have a QA task for it too 20:46 thanks Unit193 :) 20:46 Sure, sorry there's not much to add. 20:47 Unit193: that doesn't matter - I (at least) was just a bit at sea with it 20:47 and I guess other's weren't sure 20:47 ty :) 20:48 moving on 20:48 #subtopic Bug Tagging 20:48 this is just a re-iteration of please use the tags we asked 20:49 people will search on those 20:49 and given bluesabre's avowed aim for 16.04 it'll make his life easier :) 20:50 anyone have any other points to bring up? 20:50 i approve 20:50 of everything I hope :) 20:50 yep 20:51 awesome 20:51 #topic Schedule Next Meeting 20:51 who's in turn 20:51 I would suggest that we start the cycle with ochosi as XPL 20:51 yeah, i was thinking the same - if the next meeting is after the release, that is 20:52 if he can ofc, if not I would suggest the dev member of Release :p 20:52 or the technical lead 20:52 :P 20:52 leave it up to ochosi and bluesabre to make that decision 20:52 knome: :D 20:53 or anybody whose surname is very known in tennis 20:53 #action XPL or Technical Lead to set next meeting at the start of X cycle 20:53 * meetingology XPL or Technical Lead to set next meeting at the start of X cycle 20:53 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)