== Meeting information ==
 * #xubuntu-devel Meeting, 21 Aug at 10:00 — 10:42 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-08-21-10.00.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== Open action items ===
The discussion about "Open action items" started at 10:01.

  * ''DONE:'' Unit193 to split up the xubuntu-core work item on the blueprint to be able to track the progress better

=== Team Updates ===
The discussion about "Team Updates" started at 10:04.

  * Catfish 1.3.0 and MenuLibre 2.1.0 uploaded to wily
  * libreoffice-style-elementary 0.2 included in xubuntu-artwork 15.10.3 uploaded to wily
  * new shimmer-themes release pending upload to wily, includes fixes for GtkHeaderBars
  * Image testing is much as normal - basic smoketesting going on
  * no idea what's going on in package world
  * work on getting blueman 2.0 into wily started moving along, but will now require a FFe
  * milestone testing next week (hopefully)
  * testing for catfish and menulibre in plan
  * ''ACTION:'' flocculant set up catfish/menulibre testing
  * xfpanel-switch uploaded prior to feature freeze, pending archive admin approval
  * balloons is looking at hardware options for the automated image testing stuff, running tests on nested cloud VMs was negative
  * libreoffice-style-elementary included in wily and is default. We also currently have libreoffice-style-human on the iso, working on shipping only the former

=== Announcements ===
The discussion about "Announcements" started at 10:15.

  * Beta 1 Freeze on Monday, Beta 1 on Thursday
  * User Interface Freeze on September 10
  * remember to keep your work items up to date

=== Discussion ===
The discussion about "Discussion" started at 10:19.

 * '''Beta 1 milestone''' (10:19)
  * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseTaskSignup 
  * ''ACTION:'' flocculant Mail dev re B1 testing
  * ''ACTION:'' Xubuntu Release/QA teams to try and move testers along if needed
  * ''ACTION:'' flocculant mail -release re Beta 1
 * '''Package testing''' (10:28)
  * ''ACTION:'' knome and flocculant to work out exploratory bugs on tracker

=== Schedule next meeting ===
The discussion about "Schedule next meeting" started at 10:42.

  * slickymaster is to schedule the next meeting



== Vote results ==




== Action items, by person ==

 * flocculant
  * flocculant set up catfish/menulibre testing
  * flocculant Mail dev re B1 testing
  * flocculant mail -release re Beta 1
  * knome and flocculant to work out exploratory bugs on tracker
 * knome
  * knome and flocculant to work out exploratory bugs on tracker



== Done items ==

 * Unit193 to split up the xubuntu-core work item on the blueprint to be able to track the progress better



== People present (lines said) ==

 * flocculant (84)
 * knome (60)
 * bluesabre (51)
 * ochosi (23)
 * meetingology (8)
 * dkessel (4)
 * Unit193 (2)
 * ubottu (1)



== Full Log ==


 10:00 <flocculant> #startmeeting

 10:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Aug 21 10:00:07 2015 UTC.  The chair is flocculant. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 10:00 <meetingology> 

 10:00 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 10:00 <flocculant> so who actually is here?

 10:00 <knome> !team

 10:00 <ubottu> bluesabre, dkessel, flocculant, jjfrv8, knome, krytarik, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster, Unit193

 10:00 <bluesabre> o/

 10:00 <knome> not that list!

 10:00 <knome> but it's now updated

 10:00 <knome> and o/

 10:00 <flocculant> thanks knome :)

 10:00 <knome> np

 10:01 <dkessel> yay for more pings! im there with a strange keyboard setting due to remote connection :)

 10:01 <flocculant> #topic Open action items

 10:01 <knome> dkessel, you don't need the umlauts now :P

 10:01 * flocculant Unit193 to split up the xubuntu-core workitem on the blueprint to be able to track the progress better

 10:02 <flocculant> which as far as I am aware Unit193 did

 10:02 <knome> then undo it ;)

 10:02 <dkessel> knome: but what about the apostrophes and the question marks

 10:02 <knome> otherwise it'll keep on cycling around...

 10:02 <flocculant> #done Unit193 to split up the xubuntu-core work item on the blueprint to be able to track the progress better

 10:02 <knome> (too bad that doesn't close the action item :( )

 10:03 <flocculant> knome: no need to undo it as I didn't #action it :p

 10:03 <knome> oh hah

 10:03 <knome> right'o..

 10:03 <bluesabre> :D

 10:03 <knome> what did i say about my focus again..

 10:03 <flocculant> that it would be about normal :D

 10:03 <flocculant> #Team Updates

 10:03 <Unit193> Doesn't matter too much at this point, FF has passed.  All 3 are up though, and were up before it.

 10:04 <knome> flocculant, that failed!

 10:04 <flocculant> hi Unit193

 10:04 <flocculant> #topic Team Updates

 10:04 <Unit193> Hi / bye

 10:04 <flocculant> cya

 10:05 <bluesabre> #info Catfish 1.3.0 and MenuLibre 2.1.0 uploaded to wily

 10:05 <bluesabre> #info libreoffice-style-elementary 0.2 included in xubuntu-artwork 15.10.3 uploaded to wily

 10:05 <dkessel> lots of new stuff to break :)

 10:06 <bluesabre> #info new shimmer-themes release pending upload to wily, includes fixes for GtkHeaderBars

 10:06 <flocculant> #info Image testing is much as normal - basic smoketesting going on

 10:06 <flocculant> #info no idea what's going on in package world

 10:06 <bluesabre> #info work on getting blueman 2.0 into wily started moving along, but will now require a FFe

 10:07 <flocculant> yep read that :)

 10:07 <bluesabre> what else have we done in the past few days..?

 10:07 <flocculant> #info milestone testing next week (hopefully)

 10:08 <flocculant> bluesabre: panel switch thing

 10:08 <knome> #done knome worked more with the work items tracker improving bits here and there

 10:08 <bluesabre> oh right

 10:08 <flocculant> #info testing for catfish and menulibre in plan

 10:09 <flocculant> #action flocculant set up catfish/menulibre testing

 10:09 * meetingology flocculant set up catfish/menulibre testing

 10:09 <bluesabre> #info xfpanel-switch uploaded prior to feature freeze, pending archive admin approval

 10:09 <flocculant> so I don't forget that ...

 10:09 <bluesabre> (thanks Mirv)

 10:09 <dkessel> #info balloons is looking at hardware options for the automated image testing stuff, running tests on nested cloud VMs was negative

 10:09 <flocculant> \o/

 10:10 <flocculant> anything else before we move on

 10:11 <bluesabre> one more....

 10:11 <flocculant> :)

 10:12 <bluesabre> #info libreoffice-style-elementary included in wily and is default. We also currently have libreoffice-style-human on the iso, working on shipping only the former

 10:12 <bluesabre> ok

 10:12 <knome> bluesabre, question

 10:12 <bluesabre> hm

 10:12 <knome> if we don't seed the default themes

 10:12 <knome> will the "fallback" work, eg. will we still have all icons visible?

 10:13 <knome> or do those come from "real" icon themes?

 10:13 <bluesabre> for lo?

 10:13 <knome> yes

 10:13 <knome> or did we just dumpy everything in the new package

 10:13 <knome> -y

 10:13 <bluesabre> it seems like the themes can inherit from each other, but none of them do, they're all self-contained

 10:13 <knome> ok, fair enough, just wondering

 10:14 <knome> (maybe we should look at inheriting for w+1 if we still do that a lot)

 10:14 <knome> continue

 10:14 <bluesabre> libreoffice seems to pick the first alphabetically, so that's convenient for us

 10:14 <bluesabre> e before g and h

 10:14 <bluesabre> :D

 10:14 <knome> ughhh

 10:14 <flocculant> heh

 10:15 <flocculant> moving on then

 10:15 <flocculant> #topic Announcements

 10:16 <flocculant> nothing that I'm aware of (that's not going to come up in a minute)

 10:16 <bluesabre> theres a few

 10:16 <flocculant> I'll let you get on with them then

 10:16 <bluesabre> #info Beta 1 Freeze on Monday, Beta 1 on Thursday

 10:17 <flocculant> well that's one that'll be coming up in a minute :D

 10:17 <bluesabre> #info User Interface Freeze on September 10

 10:17 <bluesabre> :D

 10:17 <bluesabre> that's an announcement, reminder to get in gear ;)

 10:17 <knome> #info remember to keep your work items up to date

 10:18 <bluesabre> now that it's easy, no excuses

 10:18 <knome> i'm happy that we only have a few unassigned items

 10:18 <knome> only a longer list of bugs for -dev

 10:18 <bluesabre> yup

 10:18 <flocculant> couple could possibly go

 10:18 <bluesabre> bugfix time starts now :'(

 10:19 <flocculant> anymore announcements?

 10:19 <bluesabre> done here

 10:19 <knome> i'm good

 10:19 <flocculant> #topic Discussion

 10:19 <flocculant> #subtopic Beta 1 milestone

 10:19 <flocculant> so - assuming it happens

 10:19 <knome> yes please

 10:19 <flocculant> that relies on someone from community doing stuff

 10:20 <flocculant> I would but I'm MIA next week

 10:20 <flocculant> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseTaskSignup

 10:20 <flocculant> no-one on checklist tracking for B1

 10:21 <flocculant> I'll be mailing -release later saying that we will participate and higlighting it's empty

 10:21 <flocculant> so all being well - I'll send mail to list for us

 10:21 <bluesabre> oh wow

 10:21 <bluesabre> nice big hole there

 10:21 <flocculant> but will have to rely on -release and -qa to chivvy people along for us

 10:22 <flocculant> and probably mark ready on thursday

 10:22 <knome> i will be off whole monday...

 10:22 <flocculant> #action flocculant Mail dev re B1 testing

 10:22 * meetingology flocculant Mail dev re B1 testing

 10:22 <bluesabre> I can get on and mark ready for us as needed on thursday if nobody else can

 10:22 <knome> i should be able to do that as well

 10:23 <flocculant> #action Xubuntu Release/QA teams to try and move testers along if needed

 10:23 * meetingology Xubuntu Release/QA teams to try and move testers along if needed

 10:23 <knome> - even if i'm not in the -release team O:)

 10:23 <flocculant> #action flocculant mail -release re Beta 1

 10:23 * meetingology flocculant mail -release re Beta 1

 10:23 <flocculant> that's all I have on that

 10:24 <flocculant> though I do have another topic to start the ball rolling on

 10:24 <knome> do we have a testing focus?

 10:24 <knome> or just everything?

 10:24 <flocculant> knome: well - yea everything - at least try and get some hardware tests in the mix

 10:24 <knome> yep

 10:25 <flocculant> if I'm back in time I'll weigh in obviously

 10:25 <bluesabre> I think a new nvidia landed recently, so that could be fun or trouble

 10:25 <knome> yep, np, take your time etc :)

 10:25 <flocculant> bluesabre: not seen that

 10:25 <bluesabre> it might be in the queue still

 10:25 <flocculant> probably old card too ;)

 10:26 <bluesabre> :)

 10:26 <flocculant> anymore B1 points?

 10:26 <bluesabre> (nvidia-graphics-drivers-352 (352.30-0ubuntu1))

 10:27 <bluesabre> I don't think i have anything at this time

 10:27 <knome> bluesabre, ochosi: do you want to upload the new wallpaper for B1?

 10:27 <bluesabre> knome: if it's ready, hand it over and I will upload

 10:27 <bluesabre> :D

 10:27 <knome> i'll have to do some tweaks, but mostly it's good to go

 10:27 <bluesabre> nice

 10:27 <flocculant> bluesabre: yea - just looked, my card = 340. as far as I can tell :)

 10:27 <bluesabre> two releases in a row on time with the artwork

 10:27 * bluesabre is proud

 10:28 <flocculant> :)

 10:28 <knome> ha

 10:28 <flocculant> okey doke - time to move on?

 10:28 <knome> yep

 10:28 * bluesabre nods

 10:28 <flocculant> #subtopic Package testing

 10:28 <flocculant> ...

 10:29 <flocculant> ok so - currently we are not using the tracker and trying for exploratory

 10:29 <flocculant> I need to get that mail (or whatever I do) sent out

 10:29 <flocculant> but

 10:29 <ochosi> hi everyone

 10:29 <ochosi> sorry for being late

 10:29 <flocculant> we don't now have any real way of tracking things - just relying on bugs being reported

 10:29 <flocculant> hi ochosi ::)

 10:30 <bluesabre> yeah

 10:30 * ochosi is reading backlog now

 10:30 <bluesabre> hiya ochosi

 10:30 <knome> flocculant, we could probably ask people to add certain tag to the bugs to make it a bit more trackable

 10:30 <flocculant> yep - that at least is in my notes for whatever I send

 10:30 <knome> and with that, we could eventually pull a list of those bugs to the tracker too

 10:31 <flocculant> that's what I was leading up to :D

 10:31 <flocculant> I think this is what we talked a bit about a week or so ago

 10:31 <flocculant> just wanted to bring it up in a meeting

 10:32 <flocculant> so - as far as tag goes - something easy to remember like xubuntu-w(or x or y)

 10:33 <knome> or something that goes from cycle to cycle and then another tag to list the cycle?

 10:33 <knome> eg. add "xubuntu-exploratory" and "wily"

 10:33 <ochosi> knome: i'd be ok with shipping the new wall with b1, although otoh we haven't done that in the past and there's no more "scoop" to it

 10:33 <flocculant> knome: ok - that probably sounds best

 10:33 <ochosi> and i like the "in development" wallpaper

 10:33 <knome> ochosi, that's why i asked, i can also hold on to it until b2

 10:34 <ochosi> bluesabre: mind waiting with the wall?

 10:34 <knome> he doesn't have it, so... :P

 10:34 <bluesabre> ochosi: I don't mind

 10:34 <flocculant> ha ha

 10:34 <bluesabre> I just upload when you guys say 'hey sean, wp'

 10:34 <knome> i'm mostly going to do testing with a laptop screen to make stuff is visible enough

 10:35 <ochosi> :)

 10:35 <knome> and maybe tweak some minor things

 10:35 <ochosi> right, feel free to share within -team if you want feedback

 10:35 <ochosi> or -artwork :p

 10:35 <knome> that said, there's not much to tweak in four triangles...

 10:35 <knome> "oops" :P

 10:36 <flocculant> no curves \o/

 10:36 <ochosi> :D

 10:36 <flocculant> I can see angles ...

 10:36 <knome> probably some elliptical circles

 10:36 <flocculant> ha ha

 10:36 <bluesabre> there goes knome using ms paint again

 10:36 <knome> \o/

 10:36 <ochosi> lol

 10:36 <knome> that'd be a challenge

 10:37 <knome> it's ages since i did pure pixel pushing

 10:37 <ochosi> for LTS+1 maybe ? :D

 10:37 <knome> huhu

 10:37 <bluesabre> :p

 10:37 <knome> well, LTS starts the new wp saga

 10:37 <knome> so who knows...

 10:37 <ochosi> anyhow, you've already listed my updates

 10:37 <ochosi> so thanks for that

 10:38 <flocculant> ok - anymore wp stuff - if not ...

 10:38 <ochosi> anything else you want to discuss with me?

 10:38 <ochosi> cause i gotta run in a minute again

 10:38 <ochosi> "moar baby stuff"

 10:38 <ochosi> (sorry to be so disruptive)

 10:38 <bluesabre> :)

 10:38 <flocculant> ochosi: you ok with others working out a way to get exploratory stuff on our tracker?

 10:38 <flocculant> ochosi: and if you think this is disruptive ...

 10:39 <ochosi> flocculant: sure!

 10:39 <ochosi> :)

 10:39 <ochosi> i'll read the rest of the backlog then, sry! bbl

 10:39 <flocculant> ok - so if knome and I work that out - assuming knome is happy :)

 10:39 <ochosi> cool

 10:39 <ochosi> thanks flocculant + knome :)

 10:40 <knome> yep, i'm ok

 10:40 <flocculant> #action knome and flocculant to work out exploratory bugs on tracker

 10:40 * meetingology knome and flocculant to work out exploratory bugs on tracker

 10:40 <flocculant> I've nothing else for discussion - anyone else got anything?

 10:41 <bluesabre> i'm good

 10:41 <flocculant> knome dkessel ?

 10:41 <knome> nope

 10:42 <flocculant> #topic Schedule next meeting

 10:42 <flocculant> let's have another go at ...

 10:42 <flocculant> #info slickymaster is to schedule the next meeting

 10:42 <bluesabre> yay not me

 10:42 <flocculant> #endmeeting



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