== Meeting information == * #xubuntu-devel Meeting, 04 Aug at 08:31 — 09:20 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-08-04-08.31.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Open action items === The discussion about "Open action items" started at 08:37. * ''LINK:'' http://paste.openstack.org/show/5KhCuR1s4j0RGIc5sav0/ * ''ACTION:'' Unit193 to split up the xubuntu-core workitem on the blueprint to be able to track the progress better === Team updates === The discussion about "Team updates" started at 08:48. * ochosi pushed several updates to Greybird to improve the look of CSDs, can be tested via the shimmer-daily PPA * ochosi started working on an "a11y" version of Greybird's window manager theme, WIP can be checked out and commented on here: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tree/xfwm4-a11y * ''DONE:'' bluesabre and micahg uploaded shimmer-themes 2.0.0 to wily === Announcements === The discussion about "Announcements" started at 08:54. * there's a new 14.04 LTS point release coming up, please help with testing! * more information at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010839.html * General information on 14.04.3: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010838.html === Discussion === The discussion about "Discussion" started at 09:00. * ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-March/010670.html * '''Seeds & Composition XSD Review''' (09:08) * ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-March/010670.html * ''LINK:'' http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-sd-seeds-composition === Schedule next meeting === The discussion about "Schedule next meeting" started at 09:19. * slickymaster is to schedule the next meeting == Vote results == == Action items, by person == * Unit193 * Unit193 to split up the xubuntu-core workitem on the blueprint to be able to track the progress better == Done items == * bluesabre and micahg uploaded shimmer-themes 2.0.0 to wily == People present (lines said) == * knome (102) * ochosi (90) * Unit193 (18) * meetingology (7) * ObrienDave (1) * ubottu (1) * krytarik (0) == Full Log == 08:31 #startmeeting 08:31 Meeting started Tue Aug 4 08:31:16 2015 UTC. The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 08:31 08:31 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 08:31 !team | meeting time! 08:31 meeting time!: bluesabre, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster, Unit193 08:31 welcome everybody, who's about? 08:31 o– 08:33 hm, menage a deux? :) 08:33 wake up Unit193! 08:33 he's sleeping ;P 08:33 ObrienDave, isn't that when you tell somebody to wake up? 08:33 yeah, seemingly went bacak to bed 08:34 that sucks, the first work item is for him :) 08:34 ochosi, my action is done 08:35 oh perfect, a netsplit 08:35 time for secret decisions! 08:36 :p 08:37 boring meeting 08:37 well, i guess we can come back to the open action items later 08:37 is this why i'm up before noon? 08:37 ;)= 08:37 #topic Open action items 08:38 knome: you mentioned something about having completed something there? 08:38 yes, my only open action item 08:38 oddly, i only see the xubuntu-dev action item as open from last meeting 08:38 take the garbage out of your eye 08:39 oh 08:39 there it is 08:39 yes, under the "Action items, by person" header 08:39 it's very confusing, i know! 08:39 hehe 08:39 only looked at the top of the summary therer 08:39 so anyway, Unit193 ? 08:40 any news on xubuntu-dev to review requirements for xubuntu-core iso, investigating patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd ? 08:40 i saw a patch for that yesterday 08:40 http://paste.openstack.org/show/5KhCuR1s4j0RGIc5sav0/ 08:40 right, i've seen that one before too 08:40 but - i don't know what that is supposed to be a patch against 08:41 livecd-rootfs 08:41 i tried to get Unit193 push it into a branch so we could have nice MPs... 08:41 +1 08:41 Doubt it's ready for that. 08:41 for "what" exactly? 08:41 also, Unit193, would you mind splitting up the workitem in the blueprint a bit? 08:42 that would be nice. 08:42 Wouldn't mind. 08:42 Unit193, split it up - you'll got to keep all pieces though 08:42 *get 08:42 anyway, please do MPs 08:43 #action Unit193 to split up the xubuntu-core workitem on the blueprint to be able to track the progress better 08:43 * meetingology Unit193 to split up the xubuntu-core workitem on the blueprint to be able to track the progress better 08:43 When they're ready. 08:43 Unit193, thanks. 08:43 ochosi: Split it however you like. 08:43 actually MPs can be updated easily 08:43 Unit193: wait, that was your action item 08:43 also, iirc micahg said he would help, but wasn't sure what part you needed help with, so just create a workitem for him that tells him what to do 08:43 and MPs need branches, so you can push to a branch and do a MP once the branch is ready for a merge... but i don't really care if you prepare and do MPs once stuff is ready 08:45 uhm right, since it's obviously early and Unit193 doesn't seem to want to discuss this any further, let's move on... 08:45 #topic Team updates 08:45 ochosi: Not much to say, so I said little. :P 08:46 frankly, the paste you link to every now and then tells me practically nothing, so i really wouldn't know where you stand on the matter and how to help 08:47 #done knome improved the status tracker and fixed some bugs (assigned bugs are now correctly assigned to the assignee) 08:47 Unit193: maybe micah understands the livecd stuff, but in that case just create a workitem for him to review some branches of yours (before that you obviously have to push some branches) 08:47 #done knome started looking at the QA trackers XML-RPC interface 08:47 #undo 08:47 ochosi, ^^please #undo 08:47 #undo 08:47 Removing item from minutes: TOPIC 08:47 what? 08:47 :'( 08:47 awesome 08:47 lderan!!! 08:48 the #done thing doesn't really work it seems 08:48 #topic Team updates 08:48 not when undoing, it seems... 08:48 #done knome improved the status tracker and fixed some bugs (assigned bugs are now correctly assigned to the assignee) 08:48 #done knome started looking at the QA trackers XML-RPC interface in preparation to pulling data to the tracker 08:49 #info ochosi pushed several updates to Greybird to improve the look of CSDs, can be tested via the shimmer-daily PPA 08:49 #done knome updated the "For Derivatives" page on the website - landing the preliminary package list with xubuntu branding - feedback welcome from developers 08:50 #info ochosi started working on an "a11y" version of Greybird's window manager theme, WIP can be checked out and commented on here: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tree/xfwm4-a11y 08:51 #done knome worked on PDF exports for the documentation; basic exports are now ready to go 08:51 nice one 08:51 #done krytarik updated the Makefiles for the documentation 08:51 #nick krytarik 08:53 hmright, i'm done, anything/anyone else? 08:53 hmm i guess yes 08:53 to be complete 08:53 #done knome added a burndown chart for the status tracker 08:54 #done bluesabre and micahg uploaded shimmer-themes 2.0.0 to wily 08:54 mkay, then let's move on 08:54 #topic Announcements 08:55 #info there's a new 14.04 LTS point release coming up, please help with testing! 08:55 Mmm, indeed. 08:55 #info more information at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010839.html 08:55 (slightly, but more) 08:55 darn, beat me to it :) 08:56 * ochosi empties his paste-cache 08:56 Mica forwarded one that was more. 08:56 #info General information on 14.04.3: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010838.html 08:56 good good 08:58 any other announcements? 08:58 nope 09:00 ok good, let's move on then 09:00 #topic Discussion 09:00 knome: anything you wanna discuss wrt tracker? 09:01 not really, unless anybody has feature requests or complaints 09:01 or have found bugs 09:01 no complaints, this is really awesome sauce 09:01 good to hear 09:01 i'd love to see it hooked up to xubuntu.org asap 09:01 well, one thing i just figured out would be great too: 09:01 when a work item gets marked done, save an entry to the database 09:02 so we can track when certain things have happened 09:02 useful for the team updates too 09:02 or maybe even replaces 09:02 unless there is something that doesn't fit into work items 09:02 mm, right 09:02 how do you do that for the burndown now? 09:02 or is that just the sum that you save there 09:02 just save a done/inprogress/total of items 09:03 right, so you're considering individual workitem dates 09:03 makes sense to me 09:03 yes, but just as a list 09:03 eg. no more/different burndown charts 09:03 Going to put it on the /dev page? 09:03 Unit193, at some point maybe. 09:03 i'd rather get some hosting that is not mine. 09:03 Or rather more useful, in this topic. 09:04 and get it hooked 09:04 i will have to talk about that, likely with pleia2 09:04 mhm, indeed 09:04 knome: workitem? ;) 09:04 maybe 09:04 i just added a few already... 09:04 if you look at the details page, i have loads... 09:05 anyway, i guess the email reminders/summaries will be really helpful too 09:05 more than any individual 09:05 yeah i know 09:05 yeah, i should hook that up 09:05 but you're known to be workitem-king 09:05 hah 09:05 i think you've been for several cycles 09:05 yeah, i'm not saying "i'm doing more", i'm just saying "yes, i will track work"... 09:05 yeah, but that's quite good 09:06 it has taken some time for me to appreciate the usefulness of that 09:06 ok, i have another discussion item 09:06 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-March/010670.html 09:07 anyhow, apart from the email feature i have the feeling that the tracker is rather feature-complete atm 09:07 from the UI yes, but not the admin UI; there is literally no admin UI 09:07 and many things are hardcoded 09:07 so i'll need to consider how i will want to manage that in the future 09:07 right, but i'm not sure there was any admin interface to status.ubuntu.com 09:08 i don't think so 09:08 but yeah, that'd be another feature 09:08 but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have one 09:08 indeed 09:08 there are a few things that would be "nice to have" regarding that, so.. 09:08 #subtopic Seeds & Composition XSD Review 09:08 so anyway 09:08 that 09:08 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-March/010670.html 09:09 i believe the outcome of that thread was that people are fine with it 09:09 though, i didn't get any comments from eg. micahg, who said he wanted to comment 09:09 yes 09:09 i'd say we update it now as it is clearly better than what we have 09:09 otoh, it's 5 months since the thread began... 09:10 if he has concerns he can always mention them and we can try to work them out 09:10 I think I made comments on that. 09:10 yes... we likely have a pad for that 09:10 but where... 09:11 http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-sd-seeds-composition 09:11 that's the one 09:11 so i believe that's the version we want 09:11 ah yeah, i remember that one 09:12 Unit193, would you say your concerns are addressed in that version? 09:12 I don't remember so I'll say 'sure' 09:12 heh 09:12 that's the spirit 09:12 :) 09:12 can you check it, please? 09:13 the brownish color is Unit193 09:14 * The package should be maintained well upstream hrm.. 09:15 "The above guidelines can be omitted when there are extensive benefits to seeding the package, ..." 09:15 this is a strategy document, it's idealist, we'll never get tehre 09:16 (Also, if we have 'well', can't it be 'well maintained'?) 09:16 but it's good to have a goal 09:16 Hah. 09:16 ok, so ochosi, will you do the honors of updating the wiki, or shall i? 09:16 knome: thou shallst 09:17 #action knome to update the Strategy Document wiki page with the new "Seeds & Composition" section 09:17 * meetingology knome to update the Strategy Document wiki page with the new "Seeds & Composition" section 09:17 alrighty 09:17 is that it or is there more to discuss? 09:17 i think that's about it 09:18 wait 09:18 Unit193: anything else from your side? 09:18 #undo the last item 09:18 * ochosi waits 09:18 i did it already 09:18 #undo 09:18 Removing item from minutes: ACTION 09:18 ta 09:18 Not that I can think of. 09:18 I wouldn't know, ask krytarik. 09:18 :D 09:18 ok, then let's conclude that part and the meeting ftm 09:18 #Schedule next meeting 09:18 argh 09:18 hah 09:19 do i have to undo that? 09:19 or will the clowns eat me if i try 09:19 no 09:19 #topic Schedule next meeting 09:19 it isn't recognised as a command 09:20 #info slickymaster is to schedule the next meeting 09:20 boo, Unit193 isn't the next chair 09:20 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)