08:31 <ochosi> #startmeeting
08:31 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug  4 08:31:16 2015 UTC.  The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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08:31 <ochosi> !team | meeting time!
08:31 <ubottu> meeting time!: bluesabre, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster, Unit193
08:31 <ochosi> welcome everybody, who's about?
08:31 <knome> o–
08:33 <ochosi> hm, menage a deux? :)
08:33 <ochosi> wake up Unit193!
08:33 <ObrienDave> he's sleeping ;P
08:33 <knome> ObrienDave, isn't that when you tell somebody to wake up?
08:33 <ochosi> yeah, seemingly went bacak to bed
08:34 <ochosi> that sucks, the first work item is for him :)
08:34 <knome> ochosi, my action is done
08:35 <ochosi> oh perfect, a netsplit
08:35 <knome> time for secret decisions!
08:36 <ochosi> :p
08:37 <knome> boring meeting
08:37 <ochosi> well, i guess we can come back to the open action items later
08:37 <knome> is this why i'm up before noon?
08:37 <knome> ;)=
08:37 <ochosi> #topic Open action items
08:38 <ochosi> knome: you mentioned something about having completed something there?
08:38 <knome> yes, my only open action item
08:38 <ochosi> oddly, i only see the xubuntu-dev action item as open from last meeting
08:38 <knome> take the garbage out of your eye
08:39 <ochosi> oh
08:39 <ochosi> there it is
08:39 <knome> yes, under the "Action items, by person" header
08:39 <knome> it's very confusing, i know!
08:39 <ochosi> hehe
08:39 <ochosi> only looked at the top of the summary therer
08:39 <ochosi> so anyway, Unit193 ?
08:40 <ochosi> any news on xubuntu-dev to review requirements for xubuntu-core iso, investigating patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd ?
08:40 <knome> i saw a patch for that yesterday
08:40 <knome> http://paste.openstack.org/show/5KhCuR1s4j0RGIc5sav0/
08:40 <ochosi> right, i've seen that one before too
08:40 <knome> but - i don't know what that is supposed to be a patch against
08:41 <Unit193> livecd-rootfs
08:41 <knome> i tried to get Unit193 push it into a branch so we could have nice MPs...
08:41 <ochosi> +1
08:41 <Unit193> Doubt it's ready for that.
08:41 <knome> for "what" exactly?
08:41 <ochosi> also, Unit193, would you mind splitting up the workitem in the blueprint a bit?
08:42 <knome> that would be nice.
08:42 <Unit193> Wouldn't mind.
08:42 <knome> Unit193, split it up - you'll got to keep all pieces though
08:42 <knome> *get
08:42 <knome> anyway, please do MPs
08:43 <ochosi> #action Unit193 to split up the xubuntu-core workitem on the blueprint to be able to track the progress better
08:43 * meetingology Unit193 to split up the xubuntu-core workitem on the blueprint to be able to track the progress better
08:43 <Unit193> When they're ready.
08:43 <knome> Unit193, thanks.
08:43 <Unit193> ochosi: Split it however you like.
08:43 <ochosi> actually MPs can be updated easily
08:43 <ochosi> Unit193: wait, that was your action item
08:43 <ochosi> also, iirc micahg said he would help, but wasn't sure what part you needed help with, so just create a workitem for him that tells him what to do
08:43 <knome> and MPs need branches, so you can push to a branch and do a MP once the branch is ready for a merge... but i don't really care if you prepare and do MPs once stuff is ready
08:45 <ochosi> uhm right, since it's obviously early and Unit193 doesn't seem to want to discuss this any further, let's move on...
08:45 <ochosi> #topic Team updates
08:45 <Unit193> ochosi: Not much to say, so I said little. :P
08:46 <ochosi> frankly, the paste you link to every now and then tells me practically nothing, so i really wouldn't know where you stand on the matter and how to help
08:47 <knome> #done knome improved the status tracker and fixed some bugs (assigned bugs are now correctly assigned to the assignee)
08:47 <ochosi> Unit193: maybe micah understands the livecd stuff, but in that case just create a workitem for him to review some branches of yours (before that you obviously have to push some branches)
08:47 <knome> #done knome started looking at the QA trackers XML-RPC interface
08:47 <knome> #undo
08:47 <knome> ochosi, ^^please #undo
08:47 <ochosi> #undo
08:47 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: TOPIC
08:47 <knome> what?
08:47 <knome> :'(
08:47 <ochosi> awesome
08:47 <knome> lderan!!!
08:48 <ochosi> the #done thing doesn't really work it seems
08:48 <ochosi> #topic Team updates
08:48 <knome> not when undoing, it seems...
08:48 <knome> #done knome improved the status tracker and fixed some bugs (assigned bugs are now correctly assigned to the assignee)
08:48 <knome> #done knome started looking at the QA trackers XML-RPC interface in preparation to pulling data to the tracker
08:49 <ochosi> #info ochosi pushed several updates to Greybird to improve the look of CSDs, can be tested via the shimmer-daily PPA
08:49 <knome> #done knome updated the "For Derivatives" page on the website - landing the preliminary package list with xubuntu branding - feedback welcome from developers
08:50 <ochosi> #info ochosi started working on an "a11y" version of Greybird's window manager theme, WIP can be checked out and commented on here: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tree/xfwm4-a11y
08:51 <knome> #done knome worked on PDF exports for the documentation; basic exports are now ready to go
08:51 <ochosi> nice one
08:51 <knome> #done krytarik updated the Makefiles for the documentation
08:51 <knome> #nick krytarik
08:53 <ochosi> hmright, i'm done, anything/anyone else?
08:53 <knome> hmm i guess yes
08:53 <knome> to be complete
08:53 <knome> #done knome added a burndown chart for the status tracker
08:54 <ochosi> #done bluesabre and micahg uploaded shimmer-themes 2.0.0 to wily
08:54 <ochosi> mkay, then let's move on
08:54 <ochosi> #topic Announcements
08:55 <ochosi> #info there's a new 14.04 LTS point release coming up, please help with testing!
08:55 <Unit193> Mmm, indeed.
08:55 <knome> #info more information at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010839.html
08:55 <knome> (slightly, but more)
08:55 <ochosi> darn, beat me to it :)
08:56 * ochosi empties his paste-cache
08:56 <Unit193> Mica forwarded one that was more.
08:56 <knome> #info General information on 14.04.3: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010838.html
08:56 <ochosi> good good
08:58 <ochosi> any other announcements?
08:58 <knome> nope
09:00 <ochosi> ok good, let's move on then
09:00 <ochosi> #topic Discussion
09:00 <ochosi> knome: anything you wanna discuss wrt tracker?
09:01 <knome> not really, unless anybody has feature requests or complaints
09:01 <knome> or have found bugs
09:01 <ochosi> no complaints, this is really awesome sauce
09:01 <knome> good to hear
09:01 <ochosi> i'd love to see it hooked up to xubuntu.org asap
09:01 <knome> well, one thing i just figured out would be great too:
09:01 <knome> when a work item gets marked done, save an entry to the database
09:02 <knome> so we can track when certain things have happened
09:02 <knome> useful for the team updates too
09:02 <knome> or maybe even replaces
09:02 <knome> unless there is something that doesn't fit into work items
09:02 <ochosi> mm, right
09:02 <ochosi> how do you do that for the burndown now?
09:02 <ochosi> or is that just the sum that you save there
09:02 <knome> just save a done/inprogress/total of items
09:03 <ochosi> right, so you're considering individual workitem dates
09:03 <ochosi> makes sense to me
09:03 <knome> yes, but just as a list
09:03 <knome> eg. no more/different burndown charts
09:03 <Unit193> Going to put it on the /dev page?
09:03 <knome> Unit193, at some point maybe.
09:03 <knome> i'd rather get some hosting that is not mine.
09:03 <Unit193> Or rather more useful, in this topic.
09:04 <knome> and get it hooked
09:04 <knome> i will have to talk about that, likely with pleia2
09:04 <ochosi> mhm, indeed
09:04 <ochosi> knome: workitem? ;)
09:04 <knome> maybe
09:04 <knome> i just added a few already...
09:04 <knome> if you look at the details page, i have loads...
09:05 <ochosi> anyway, i guess the email reminders/summaries will be really helpful too
09:05 <knome> more than any individual
09:05 <ochosi> yeah i know
09:05 <knome> yeah, i should hook that up
09:05 <ochosi> but you're known to be workitem-king
09:05 <knome> hah
09:05 <ochosi> i think you've been for several cycles
09:05 <knome> yeah, i'm not saying "i'm doing more", i'm just saying "yes, i will track work"...
09:05 <ochosi> yeah, but that's quite good
09:06 <ochosi> it has taken some time for me to appreciate the usefulness of that
09:06 <knome> ok, i have another discussion item
09:06 <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-March/010670.html
09:07 <ochosi> anyhow, apart from the email feature i have the feeling that the tracker is rather feature-complete atm
09:07 <knome> from the UI yes, but not the admin UI; there is literally no admin UI
09:07 <knome> and many things are hardcoded
09:07 <knome> so i'll need to consider how i will want to manage that in the future
09:07 <ochosi> right, but i'm not sure there was any admin interface to status.ubuntu.com
09:08 <knome> i don't think so
09:08 <ochosi> but yeah, that'd be another feature
09:08 <knome> but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have one
09:08 <ochosi> indeed
09:08 <knome> there are a few things that would be "nice to have" regarding that, so..
09:08 <ochosi> #subtopic Seeds & Composition XSD Review
09:08 <knome> so anyway
09:08 <knome> that
09:08 <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-March/010670.html
09:09 <knome> i believe the outcome of that thread was that people are fine with it
09:09 <knome> though, i didn't get any comments from eg. micahg, who said he wanted to comment
09:09 <ochosi> yes
09:09 <ochosi> i'd say we update it now as it is clearly better than what we have
09:09 <knome> otoh, it's 5 months since the thread began...
09:10 <ochosi> if he has concerns he can always mention them and we can try to work them out
09:10 <Unit193> I think I made comments on that.
09:10 <knome> yes... we likely have a pad for that
09:10 <knome> but where...
09:11 <knome> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-sd-seeds-composition
09:11 <knome> that's the one
09:11 <knome> so i believe that's the version we want
09:11 <ochosi> ah yeah, i remember that one
09:12 <knome> Unit193, would you say your concerns are addressed in that version?
09:12 <Unit193> I don't remember so I'll say 'sure'
09:12 <ochosi> heh
09:12 <ochosi> that's the spirit
09:12 <ochosi> :)
09:12 <knome> can you check it, please?
09:13 <knome> the brownish color is Unit193
09:14 <Unit193> * The package should be maintained well upstream    hrm..
09:15 <knome> "The above guidelines can be omitted when there are extensive benefits to seeding the package, ..."
09:15 <knome> this is a strategy document, it's idealist, we'll never get tehre
09:16 <Unit193> (Also, if we have 'well', can't it be 'well maintained'?)
09:16 <knome> but it's good to have a goal
09:16 <Unit193> Hah.
09:16 <knome> ok, so ochosi, will you do the honors of updating the wiki, or shall i?
09:16 <ochosi> knome: thou shallst
09:17 <knome> #action knome to update the Strategy Document wiki page with the new "Seeds & Composition" section
09:17 * meetingology knome to update the Strategy Document wiki page with the new "Seeds & Composition" section
09:17 <ochosi> alrighty
09:17 <ochosi> is that it or is there more to discuss?
09:17 <knome> i think that's about it
09:18 <knome> wait
09:18 <ochosi> Unit193: anything else from your side?
09:18 <knome> #undo the last item
09:18 * ochosi waits
09:18 <knome> i did it already
09:18 <ochosi> #undo
09:18 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
09:18 <knome> ta
09:18 <Unit193> Not that I can think of.
09:18 <Unit193> I wouldn't know, ask krytarik.
09:18 <Unit193> :D
09:18 <ochosi> ok, then let's conclude that part and the meeting ftm
09:18 <ochosi> #Schedule next meeting
09:18 <ochosi> argh
09:18 <knome> hah
09:19 <ochosi> do i have to undo that?
09:19 <ochosi> or will the clowns eat me if i try
09:19 <knome> no
09:19 <ochosi> #topic Schedule next meeting
09:19 <knome> it isn't recognised as a command
09:20 <ochosi> #info slickymaster is to schedule the next meeting
09:20 <knome> boo, Unit193 isn't the next chair
09:20 <ochosi> #endmeeting