== Meeting information ==
 * #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu Community Meeting, 22 Jun at 10:00 — 10:42 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-06-22-10.00.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== Open Action Items ===
The discussion about "Open Action Items" started at 10:05.


=== Team Updates ===
The discussion about "Team Updates" started at 10:08.

  * feh added to live session to draw the installer desktop, still waiting on branch merge for ubiquity https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubiquity/lp1437180_feh
  * work started on next version of Catfish (more UI goodies, plugin manager)
  * xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin has been added to pkg-xfce, and will make it to debian sometime soonish
  * The libreoffice icon-set is closing in on its first release, we'll then try to get it into ubuntu as a separate package
  * test libreofice-style-elementary at https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ubuntu/daily
  * xfpm 1.5.2 in xubuntu-staging ppa, "launch xfpm" bug fixed
  * knome added some nice graphics to http://xubuntu.org/
  * slickymaster will start the calls for package translations this week, in the m/l

=== Announcements ===
The discussion about "Announcements" started at 10:16.

  * The first milestone we're participating in this cycle is Beta 1 (August 27)
  * While it has been announced already, let me formally repeat it here: elfy has retired from his QA team lead position and from the Xubuntu team as a whole.
  * current testing status and information https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-June/010798.html
  * some (maybe) flavors will be doing the Alpha 1 milestone this week, just as a heads up

=== Discussion ===
The discussion about "Discussion" started at 10:21.

 * '''Core as an image''' (10:21)
  * ''LINK:'' http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/05/29/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t20:39 
  * ''ACTION:'' xubuntu-dev to review requirements for xubuntu-core iso, investigating patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd
 * '''Status and plans for the QA subteam''' (10:28)
  * ''ACTION:'' dkessel to investigate automated image testing
  * xubuntu-dev to help maintain xubuntu-qa in the meantime

=== Schedule next meeting ===
The discussion about "Schedule next meeting" started at 10:42.

  * knome to schedule next meeting



== Vote results ==




== Action items, by person ==

 * dkessel
  * dkessel to investigate automated image testing
 * xubuntu-dev
  * xubuntu-dev to review requirements for xubuntu-core iso, investigating patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd



== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * bluesabre (96)
 * ochosi (52)
 * slickymasterWork (18)
 * dkessel (11)
 * meetingology (11)
 * qwebirc855185 (3)
 * Noskcaj (2)
 * ubottu (1)
 * Unit193 (1)
 * xubuntu-dev (0)



== Full Log ==


 10:00 <bluesabre> #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting

 10:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jun 22 10:00:28 2015 UTC.  The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 10:00 <meetingology> 

 10:00 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 10:00 <bluesabre> !team | time to go :)

 10:00 <ubottu> time to go :): bluesabre, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster, Unit193

 10:00 <bluesabre> who's here?

 10:00 <bluesabre> #chair ochosi

 10:00 <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre ochosi

 10:00 <ochosi> o/

 10:02 <bluesabre> I'll give folks a few minutes to roll out of bed

 10:02 <ochosi> :)

 10:02 <Unit193> Taze 'em.

 10:03 <ochosi> i thought tazing makes people faint?

 10:03 <dkessel> i am here

 10:03 <bluesabre> #chair Unit193

 10:03 <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre ochosi

 10:04 <bluesabre> :>

 10:04 <bluesabre> hey dkessel, Unit193, glad you guys could make it

 10:05 <bluesabre> alrighty, suppose we can get started

 10:05 <ochosi> sounds good to me

 10:05 <bluesabre> #topic Open Action Items

 10:05 <ochosi> not too many i guess

 10:05 <bluesabre> - knome to follow-up on the FAQ reboot on ML

 10:05 <bluesabre> - ochosi to follow up with team leads re blueprints as needed

 10:06 <bluesabre> news?

 10:06 <ochosi> i'll keep on following up with team leads, no news from me on this though

 10:06 <ochosi> (i actually wanted to follow up on -dev a bit, but we can do that in the discussion part)

 10:06 <bluesabre> cool

 10:06 <bluesabre> not sure we're making much headway with the FAQ reboot

 10:06 <ochosi> yeah

 10:06 <bluesabre> I'm happy to write articles!

 10:07 <bluesabre> :D

 10:07 <bluesabre> welcome slickymasterWork

 10:07 <ochosi> hey slickymasterWork and welcome to the meeting ;)

 10:07 <bluesabre> #chair slickymasterWork

 10:07 <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre ochosi slickymasterWork

 10:07 <slickymasterWork> morning everyone

 10:07 <bluesabre> good timing too

 10:07 <slickymasterWork> sorru for being late

 10:08 <bluesabre> np

 10:08 <slickymasterWork> * sorry

 10:08 <slickymasterWork> had a flat tyre on the way to work :P

 10:08 <bluesabre> I schedule the worst times in the team

 10:08 <bluesabre> :D

 10:08 <slickymasterWork> lol

 10:08 <ochosi> bluesabre: actually we're quite many, so i'm not sure that's true

 10:08 <ochosi> let's move on?

 10:08 <Noskcaj> o/

 10:08 <bluesabre> #topic Team Updates

 10:08 <ochosi> hey Noskcaj

 10:08 <bluesabre> heya Noskcaj

 10:09 <bluesabre> #chair Noskcaj

 10:09 <meetingology> Current chairs: Noskcaj Unit193 bluesabre ochosi slickymasterWork

 10:09 <slickymasterWork> hey Noskcaj

 10:09 <bluesabre> welcome to the party

 10:09 <bluesabre> Development progress is going slowly

 10:09 <bluesabre> #info feh added to live session to draw the installer desktop, still waiting on branch merge for ubiquity https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubiquity/lp1437180_feh

 10:09 <bluesabre> #info work started on next version of Catfish (more UI goodies, plugin manager)

 10:09 <bluesabre> #info xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin has been added to pkg-xfce, and will make it to debian sometime soonish

 10:09 <ochosi> #info The libreoffice icon-set is closing in on its first release, we'll then try to get it into ubuntu as a separate package

 10:10 <bluesabre> #info test libreofice-style-elementary at https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ubuntu/daily

 10:10 <Noskcaj> #info xfpm 1.5.2 in xubuntu-staging ppa, "launch xfpm" bug fixed

 10:10 <bluesabre> ooh nice

 10:11 <ochosi> yup, eric release .2 on the weekend (as planned)

 10:11 <ochosi> thanks for the quick packaging work Noskcaj

 10:11 <bluesabre> any other team updates?

 10:12 <bluesabre> always hard to get good representation from each team

 10:12 <ochosi> agreed

 10:13 <bluesabre> slickymasterWork: any docs news? :)

 10:13 <bluesabre> #info knome added some nice graphics to http://xubuntu.org/

 10:14 <qwebirc855185> damn connection

 10:14 <bluesabre> it happens

 10:14 <bluesabre> my internet is garbage where I live now

 10:14 <bluesabre> any news for documentation qwebirc855185 ?

 10:14 <qwebirc855185> like I was trying to say I'll start the calls for package translations this week, in the m/l

 10:14 <ochosi> qwebirc855185: please #info it though ;)

 10:15 <qwebirc855185> #info slickymaster will start the calls for package translations this week, in the m/l

 10:15 <bluesabre> good good

 10:15 <bluesabre> next up

 10:16 <bluesabre> #topic Announcements

 10:16 <bluesabre> #info The first milestone we're participating in this cycle is Beta 1 (August 27)

 10:16 <bluesabre> but... please be sure to be testing the daily images and reporting on any issues found

 10:17 <ochosi> #info While it has been announced already, let me formally repeat it here: elfy has retired from his QA team lead position and from the Xubuntu team as a whole.

 10:17 <slickymasterWork> are we planning on running any testing calls on the m/l, bluesabre?

 10:17 <slickymasterWork> ochosi ^^

 10:17 <ochosi> i guess we should do that at least for the milestones we're participating in

 10:17 <bluesabre> slickymasterWork: we had one shortly before elfy's retirement, that's the current call for testing

 10:17 <bluesabre> lemme dig up that mail

 10:18 <bluesabre> #info current testing status and information https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-June/010798.html

 10:18 <slickymasterWork> yeah, but I was referring to reminder calls, as we're moving along the release cycle

 10:19 <bluesabre> nothing new at this time, but something closer to the milestones

 10:19 <ochosi> let's discuss that in the "discussion" part ;)

 10:19 <bluesabre> yes

 10:19 <slickymasterWork> oki doke~

 10:20 <bluesabre> #info some (maybe) flavors will be doing the Alpha 1 milestone this week, just as a heads up

 10:20 <bluesabre> I think that might be it for current announcements

 10:21 <bluesabre> and nobody is stopping me

 10:21 <bluesabre> :D

 10:21 <bluesabre> #topic Discussion

 10:21 <bluesabre> #subtopic Core as an image

 10:21 <bluesabre> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/05/29/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t20:39

 10:22 <ochosi> i read the log

 10:22 <ochosi> i personally would prefer a separate iso over offering minimal as an option in ubiquity

 10:22 <ochosi> or: offering -desktop in ubiquity

 10:22 <ochosi> cause it defeats the benefit of having a smaller download

 10:23 <ochosi> and downloading all the things for -desktop only when installing makes the installer very slow

 10:23 <bluesabre> yuuuuup

 10:23 <ochosi> also, downloading an iso can happen through torrents

 10:23 <bluesabre> I'd imagine Unit193 and others would agree in this instance

 10:24 <slickymasterWork> I do agree

 10:24 <ochosi> so "patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd"

 10:24 <ochosi> Unit193: can you work on that ^ ?

 10:24 <bluesabre> #nick xubuntu-dev

 10:25 <ochosi> if so, i think we could split up that xubuntu-core workitem on the blueprint in multiple ones

 10:25 <bluesabre> #action xubuntu-dev to review requirements for xubuntu-core iso, investigating patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd

 10:25 * meetingology xubuntu-dev to review requirements for xubuntu-core iso, investigating patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd

 10:25 <bluesabre> Unit193 can claim that when he's around again

 10:25 <ochosi> from my pov we can reconsider the name, as infinity implied, but keeping it as ok as well

 10:26 <bluesabre> but that way we keep it on the radar

 10:26 <ochosi> since we've already announced it as -core i think it

 10:26 <ochosi> 's okayish

 10:26 <bluesabre> yeah

 10:26 <bluesabre> we existed before snappy :D

 10:26 <ochosi> yeah, that doesn't really help our case though

 10:26 <bluesabre> or at least before it was announced

 10:26 <dkessel> xubuntu-mini might still be less confusing

 10:26 <bluesabre> yeah

 10:27 <slickymasterWork> besides, -core is way more self-explanatory

 10:27 <bluesabre> but mini iso already is a thing too

 10:28 <bluesabre> these are probably minor details though, with the larger task being the patches above

 10:28 <bluesabre> so, ready to move on to the next discussion?

 10:28 <ochosi> yup

 10:28 <slickymasterWork> yeaps

 10:28 <bluesabre> #subtopic Status and plans for the QA subteam

 10:28 <dkessel> i put this item in the agenda because i was worried that except for the testing calls, nothing much might happen without elfy, because other team members have enough work for themselves already

 10:29 <bluesabre> dkessel: thanks, it needed to be in the discussion for sure

 10:29 <ochosi> well, one aspect that might actually help is that we switched away from following test-cases

 10:29 <ochosi> that took a lot of discipline and was an extra effort for team members

 10:30 <ochosi> i'll likely be using wily soon on a sort of daily basis, so there'll be no problem with doing the drive-by testing

 10:30 <ochosi> but yeah, having a leader for the QA subteam is important

 10:30 <ochosi> personally i'd appreciate it if we could find an interim lead for the rest of the cycle

 10:30 <dkessel> i think doing the item for getting results for the automated image testing will be a good preparation for the next lts

 10:31 <slickymasterWork> yes

 10:31 <dkessel> or automated package testing even...

 10:31 <slickymasterWork> you were working on that item dkessel, if memory serves me correctly

 10:31 <dkessel> no

 10:31 <slickymasterWork> hmm

 10:32 <ochosi> dkessel: are there any work items you would want to take on? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-w-qa

 10:32 <dkessel> i think elfy talked to some canonical infrastructure stuff about the image testing

 10:32 <slickymasterWork> sorry then, I was under the impression that you were

 10:33 <bluesabre> this sounds like a good effort, especially now

 10:34 * ochosi quickly has to run out

 10:34 <bluesabre> ochosi: coming back?

 10:34 <bluesabre> or how soon do you need to run?

 10:34 <ochosi> i can be around a bit more

 10:34 <bluesabre> cool

 10:34 <ochosi> just announcing that

 10:35 <ochosi> so 5-10mins for me

 10:35 <bluesabre> I think we should take a look at the automated testing again

 10:35 <dkessel> arhg connection probs

 10:35 <bluesabre> and it sounds like we want to improve our automating reporting?

 10:35 <bluesabre> [knome] Work with the tracker developers to get out more meaningful data: TODO

 10:35 <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, agreed, the question is who has time to do that?

 10:37 <bluesabre> ochosi: well, with no current qa lead, I think -dev probably needs to step in to some degree to leverage, and it might be a good idea to take this time prior to LTS to get automation off the ground

 10:37 <dkessel> i can try to contact somebody. not sure how this works then. there was talk about RT ickets or something, which i dont know about

 10:37 <ochosi> dkessel: would be great if you could start that!

 10:37 <bluesabre> +1

 10:38 <ochosi> you can always ask bluesabre or me for help/advice

 10:38 <dkessel> okay

 10:38 <bluesabre> awesome

 10:38 <slickymasterWork> great dkessel, thanks for stepping up

 10:39 <bluesabre> #action dkessel to investigate automated image testing

 10:39 * meetingology dkessel to investigate automated image testing

 10:39 <bluesabre> :)

 10:39 <ochosi> perfect, that way we can follow up at the next meeting

 10:39 <bluesabre> vague, but good

 10:39 <dkessel> :)

 10:39 <ochosi> yeah, it's a start ;)

 10:40 <bluesabre> ochosi: we should probably schedule qa things for dev to announce in the meantime, but we can discuss this outside of the meeting later

 10:40 <ochosi> yeah

 10:41 <bluesabre> #action xubuntu-dev to help maintain xubuntu-qa in the meantime

 10:41 * meetingology xubuntu-dev to help maintain xubuntu-qa in the meantime

 10:41 <bluesabre> er

 10:41 <bluesabre> #undo

 10:41 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION

 10:42 <bluesabre> #info xubuntu-dev to help maintain xubuntu-qa in the meantime

 10:42 <bluesabre> thats more of an info

 10:42 <bluesabre> :D

 10:42 <ochosi> indeed

 10:42 <ochosi> k, anything else, or can i run? :)

 10:42 <bluesabre> thats probably enough for that topic

 10:42 <bluesabre> #topic Schedule next meeting

 10:42 <bluesabre> #info knome to schedule next meeting

 10:42 <bluesabre> #endmeeting



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