21:01 <slickymaster> #startmeeting 21:01 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Apr 15 21:01:14 2015 UTC. The chair is slickymaster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 21:01 <meetingology> 21:01 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 21:01 <slickymaster> Who's here for the meeting? 21:01 <elfy> yup 21:02 <micahg> o/ 21:02 <slickymaster> hey micahg elfy 21:02 <ochosi> o/ 21:03 <slickymaster> well, knome will be joining us in a moment 21:03 <slickymaster> so I think we can start 21:03 <slickymaster> #topic Open action items 21:04 <slickymaster> Unit193 to tie up with elfy for xubuntu-core upgrade testing needs 21:04 <slickymaster> elfy, the floor is yours 21:04 <elfy> that was long done 21:04 <elfy> shouldn't be an open item 21:04 <slickymaster> bah, it's still showing up in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings 21:05 <elfy> mmm 21:05 <slickymaster> I'm assuming that the other two would also be done, then 21:05 <elfy> the game one is 21:05 <slickymaster> ok, moving on then 21:05 <slickymaster> #topic Team updates 21:05 <elfy> the knome is tying up ochosi 21:06 <elfy> no-one remembers what that even is 21:06 <ochosi> i think we did that now 21:06 <ochosi> the only thing left would be the games discussion 21:06 <slickymaster> elfy, said that's done ochosi 21:06 <ochosi> yeah, i'm not keen on having that anyway ;) 21:06 <elfy> I put it on the agenda - it got removed 21:07 <elfy> bah 21:07 <elfy> that sounds wrong lol 21:07 <elfy> it got removed because 15.10 :) 21:07 <balloons> ohh my 21:08 <slickymaster> hey balloons, be welcome 21:08 <ochosi> i have few to no updates 21:08 * balloons waves 21:08 <elfy> same 21:08 <slickymaster> nothing from me also 21:08 <slickymaster> micahg, anything? 21:08 <pleia2> o/ 21:08 <ochosi> #info the hacky patch from bug #1437180 won't get shipped in 15.04, the bug will remain as it is and we will have to resolve it in 15.10 21:08 <ubottu> bug 1437180 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Desktop Icons show on the install only desktop" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1437180 21:09 <micahg> no updates 21:09 <pleia2> #info we'll be sharing on social media soon, but here first - polos and sweaters! https://www.hellotux.com/xubuntu 21:10 <slickymaster> great pleia2 21:10 <ochosi> #info Gimp, Abiword and Gnumeric will be dropped for 15.10, LibreOffice (or parts of it) will be installed by default (result of the team vote from last week) 21:10 <slickymaster> anything else? 21:10 <Unit193> That was for/from last meeting, not this one? :P 21:10 <slickymaster> bah, too late Unit193 :P 21:10 <knome> i'm here 21:10 <slickymaster> ;) 21:10 <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, whatever ;) 21:10 <knome> what am i tying? 21:11 <ochosi> knome: some action item nobody knows about anymore 21:11 <knome> hah. 21:11 <ochosi> "knome to follow up with ochosi on setting up a team vote - or allowing more time for discussion" 21:11 <knome> it's the XSD stuff 21:11 <slickymaster> yeaps 21:11 <ochosi> oh ok 21:11 <knome> so we should probably just boot up the vote 21:12 <slickymaster> knome, any updates from you? 21:12 <knome> not really 21:12 <slickymaster> moving on, then 21:12 <slickymaster> #topic Announcements 21:13 <elfy> you can announce I'd really like to see people testing 21:13 <slickymaster> go ahead elfy 21:14 <knome> elfy, i'll do at least one upgrade test on hardware with real data 21:14 <elfy> ty 21:14 <slickymaster> ftr: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-April/010712.html 21:15 <slickymaster> no other announcements? 21:15 <ochosi> not from my sie 21:15 <ochosi> side 21:15 <knome> not announcements really 21:15 <slickymaster> #topic Discussion 21:16 <slickymaster> #subtopic Rebooting the FAQ articles 21:16 <slickymaster> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-April/010697.html 21:16 <slickymaster> knome? 21:16 <knome> this is my item, but i'd really just want discussion on it. 21:16 <slickymaster> this one is yours 21:16 <elfy> not much discussion happened there 21:17 <knome> nope... 21:17 <slickymaster> I just become aware of it with the email on m7l 21:17 <slickymaster> * m/l 21:17 <ochosi> i like the idea/s, but i don't think i'll have time to really contribute 21:17 <knome> slickymaster, yeah, that was when i first wrote a public message on it 21:17 <knome> it's 8 days ago though, so i expected some feedback 21:18 <ochosi> wouldn't that be one way to get some new folks on board? 21:18 <knome> but maybe everybody just wanted to say they want LibreOffice in in the mailing list 21:18 <ochosi> :) 21:18 <knome> ochosi, absolutely. 21:18 <ochosi> maybe some folks on the forums that have already written tutorials..? 21:18 * ochosi doesn't read any forums anymore 21:18 <elfy> knome: or perhaps no-one is that interested 21:19 <knome> elfy, which is what i snarkily tried to imply:P 21:19 <Unit193> Or everyone thinks it's a good idea, so no objections. 21:19 * elfy is well used to mails to the list being ignored 21:19 <slickymaster> my impression knome was that your email was addressed more to the community than to the team 21:19 <slickymaster> am I reading it wrong? 21:19 <knome> isn't the team part of the community? 21:19 <knome> it was pretty much directed at everybody 21:20 <elfy> knome: I'll be able to find some time for that 21:20 <knome> so let's just move on, and hope that slickymaster replies on the thread and it picks some wind 21:20 <slickymaster> me too 21:20 <knome> elfy, great 21:20 <knome> elfy, i think there might be some parts that might overlap with the new slideshow project here 21:20 <knome> elfy, so let's keep an eye open for that 21:20 <elfy> was thinking similar tbh 21:21 <knome> so anyway, move on slickymaster 21:21 <slickymaster> we could have a sprint on that knome 21:21 <knome> sure 21:21 <elfy> slickymaster: mmm 21:21 <slickymaster> what elfy? 21:21 <elfy> they generally end up being 2 or 3 people 21:21 <knome> let's try to get some lurkers from the ml to join us 21:21 <elfy> hardly worth calling it a sprint imo 21:22 <knome> elfy, that's exactly what i would call it :) 21:22 <elfy> you might, I'd call it a dawdle 21:22 <knome> ;) 21:22 <slickymaster> we did one of those for the installer slideshoe, the three of us and it worked elfy 21:22 <knome> #nick xubuntu-docs 21:22 <knome> #action xubuntu-docs to throw the ball around about the FAQ articles 21:22 * meetingology xubuntu-docs to throw the ball around about the FAQ articles 21:23 <elfy> slickymaster: just a matter of noun - not important :) 21:23 <slickymaster> yeaps 21:23 <slickymaster> oving then 21:23 <slickymaster> m 21:23 <slickymaster> #subtopic Xubuntu session in Ubuntu Online Summit on May 5-7 21:23 <knome> balloons, ping! 21:23 <slickymaster> also yours knome, I believe 21:24 <knome> yes and no. 21:24 <knome> let me dig stuff up 21:24 <balloons> I'm here :-) 21:24 <elfy> could me mine too 21:24 <slickymaster> do you want to start elfy? 21:24 <elfy> but let's let balloons talk 21:24 <slickymaster> balloons, the floor is yours 21:24 <knome> balloons, while you do it, i'll approve your message to the list... 21:24 <balloons> ahh brillant. So I trust you saw the email to the list ... Oh, tehe 21:25 <slickymaster> so balloons, on the Xubuntu session in Ubuntu Online Summit on May 5-7 item 21:25 <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-April/010715.html 21:25 <knome> ^ there we go 21:25 <balloons> I'll recap quickly however. I am inquiring to see if someone wishes to run a session or session advocating xubuntu at UOS 21:25 * micahg misses UDS 21:26 * knome passes micahg the sherlock hat 21:26 * slickymaster never attended one tbh 21:26 <balloons> My proposal was to have either a planning session, an open FAQ/community session, or even simply just hosting a 'show and tell' session or two showcasing xubuntu 21:27 <knome> i can help plan and prepare for the sessions if somebody needs that support, but i'm not around on those days, so can't run one. 21:27 <balloons> I think having a presence would be useful to you and would certainly be welcomed by the rest of the community. It would be nice to get some quick updates about what is happening in each flavor 21:28 <slickymaster> it won't be easy for me, working hours and you all know the lousy connectivity I have at work 21:28 <ochosi> yeah, sorry same for me (just checked my calendar), won't be around that day 21:28 <knome> ochosi, it's three days 21:29 <balloons> indeed, 3 days with your choice of timeslots.. 21:29 <ochosi> yeah, sry, my eyes are tired :/ 21:29 <pleia2> unfortunately I can't make the time either 21:29 <balloons> now, it needn't be someone in the meeting at the moment even, if perhaps others might be willing to step up and host something. It really doesn't require much more than showing up 21:29 <balloons> we've tried to make it easy :-) 21:30 <knome> what i proposed earlier when this was originall brought up in the quality channel was a Q&A session, which would have very little overhead. just turn up and know the right answers ;) 21:30 <balloons> The information should be in the mail, and you needn't decide right now of course. I'll be around as usual if you have questions, or need help. I hope to see something, but I understand the world is a big place and timezones suck sometimes :-) 21:31 <knome> and yeah, Unit193 and krytarik are good to go too. 21:32 <slickymaster> I will try to make the Q&A session 21:32 <slickymaster> it will mostly depend at what time it will occour 21:33 <slickymaster> is there any schedule yet? 21:33 <elfy> we need to decide if we're going to do something, then what, then who - then time it accordingly 21:33 <balloons> the schedule can be seen here: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/ 21:33 <slickymaster> thanks balloons 21:33 <elfy> effectively the last slot is 20:00 UTC 21:33 <balloons> We try and send something out a couple weeks in advance, so you have a week or so to nail things down 21:33 <balloons> we won't turn you away last minute should it come to it, but :-0 21:34 <knome> :P 21:35 <elfy> you can generally do these things with more than one person obviously 21:35 <knome> yep 21:36 <slickymaster> any volunteers? 21:37 <elfy> http://i.imgur.com/WybNkNw.gif?1 21:37 <slickymaster> balloons, when is your deadline to have the confirmations? 21:38 <elfy> perhaps we can discuss on list, see if we can get a *user* involved in it 21:38 <slickymaster> yes, will you make the call for that in the m/l elfy? 21:38 <balloons> slickymaster, ideally by end of next week I think 21:39 <elfy> if it is the last session I could possibly be about, but there's no way I'm running on my own 21:39 <elfy> balloons: mmm - holy timing batman 21:39 <balloons> just after release, haha! 21:39 <balloons> really though, whenever, as long as it's before May 5th :-) 21:39 <elfy> we're a small team and most of next week we'll be running about on that :( 21:40 <slickymaster> the idea balloons, is run a call on our m/l and see if we manage to get some/a user(s) to get himself involved 21:41 <balloons> slickymaster, yes that would be ideal I think 21:41 <elfy> thinking about it - a Q&A is going to be people asking how to deal with light locking ... 21:41 <balloons> perhaps even pair up 21:41 <slickymaster> yes 21:41 <elfy> 2 works, balloons helped me when I did some QA thing once 21:42 <knome> 1 works, but it's not nice. 21:42 <elfy> yep 21:42 <balloons> yes.. 1 is like talking to yourself.. 3 or 4 is amazing and 2 is nice 21:42 <knome> btw, should we move on? 21:42 <elfy> imo 3 would be the thing to aim at, 2 rabbiting, one backstage 21:42 <slickymaster> right 21:43 <elfy> knome: yep 21:43 <knome> this discussion tastes stale 21:43 <knome> i even browsed the web during it :P 21:43 <slickymaster> there are no other items on the agenda, so I think that's it for this meeting 21:43 <knome> no 21:43 <knome> i have other things to discuss :P 21:44 <slickymaster> shoot knome 21:44 <elfy> now? 21:44 <elfy> or later :p 21:44 * pleia2 hands elfy a blaster 21:44 <knome> please #topic Other discussions or sth 21:44 <micahg> we should just announce freezes 21:44 <knome> it has to be now 21:44 <slickymaster> #topic Other discussions 21:44 <knome> thanks 21:44 <knome> so basically, 21:45 <knome> version 96 of the installer slideshow was released first of april. 21:46 <knome> after that, some strings were changed for xubuntu 21:46 <knome> since the translations are handled via the upstream package, and there hasn't been any new release after that, the strings aren't translatable 21:46 <knome> this is OK as long as there will be no more ubiquity slideshow releases before the release 21:47 <ochosi> oh, so we're hoping no other team will want a release? 21:47 <knome> which looks unlikely, since there has been some changes since that which i believe people want in 21:47 <ochosi> can't we just revert the changes - or are they badly needed? 21:47 <knome> so at this point, i'd actually propose to revert the change. 21:48 <ochosi> what change is it specifically? or: what do we lose by reverting? 21:48 <knome> this way if there is a new upload, we're good 21:48 <knome> let me dig that up 21:48 <knome> it's not huge 21:49 <knome> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/revision/677 21:49 <knome> (and tbe, this was before v96, but the translation templates weren't updated for that version...) 21:50 <ochosi> right 21:50 <ochosi> hmm 21:50 <knome> it's an improvement, but not something that is worth the risk of breaking those two strings for all languages 21:50 <ochosi> i agree 21:50 <slickymaster> me tto 21:50 <slickymaster> sighs 21:50 <slickymaster> me too 21:51 <knome> i'll revert this change tonight then 21:51 <elfy> yep - ack that too 21:51 <ochosi> thanks for handling that, knome 21:51 <knome> np 21:51 <slickymaster> yes, thanks 21:51 <slickymaster> is that all? 21:51 <elfy> one last thing after that 21:51 <slickymaster> go ahead elfy 21:51 <elfy> we need to deal with 12.04 going EOL a few days after 15.04 release 21:52 * micahg has one last thing as well 21:52 <knome> i should be around for the rotating of the website 21:52 * ochosi thought EOL actually meant *not* having to deal with it anymore.. 21:52 * slickymaster too 21:52 <elfy> how we going to deal with that? blog post and social media and a mail to Fridge or something? 21:52 <ochosi> i think a brief blog post would be good 21:52 <ochosi> plus social media 21:52 <knome> yes 21:53 <slickymaster> Ĩ can take of the wiki occurences 21:53 <ochosi> fridge is an option too 21:53 <knome> and rotate all outlets with information that talks about 12.04 21:53 <slickymaster> * occurrences 21:53 <knome> we can probably get reposted to fridge 21:53 <knome> pleia2, or? 21:53 <elfy> ochosi: I think probably Fridge needs to be done tbh 21:53 <elfy> anyone can mail that 21:53 <ochosi> k 21:53 <pleia2> are we the only one going EOL? 21:54 <knome> no 21:54 <slickymaster> micahg, you also have an item, right? 21:54 <micahg> ye 21:55 <knome> pleia2, at least studio too 21:55 <knome> pleia2, that might be it though. 21:56 <elfy> lubuntu was 18 months 21:56 <micahg> #info Final Freeze tomorrow, Apr 16 at 21:00 UTC 21:56 <pleia2> knome: I think this is a first for the community, so I'm just wondering if we could collaborate with others going EoL to propose an announcement for fridge 21:56 <knome> zequence, ping 21:56 <micahg> #info any last fixes that aren't RC for Xubuntu need to be in by then (preferably all the RC fixes as well) 21:57 <micahg> knome: he disappeared for the night 21:57 <knome> he'll get back to it :) 21:57 <knome> pleia2, sounds like a plan 21:57 <micahg> #info final freeze for unseeded packages is sometime next Tuesday, anything that's not on any images can still get bugfixes until then 21:57 <knome> anybody WANTS to draft that announcement? 21:58 <elfy> action me for it 21:58 <knome> #action elfy to draft an EOL announcement (with other flavors) 21:58 * meetingology elfy to draft an EOL announcement (with other flavors) 21:58 <knome> elfy, thanks - don't hesitate to ask me for help 21:58 <micahg> oh, I'll do one last upload of xubuntu default settings since Launchpad has been kind enough to deposit translations there 21:58 <zequence> knome: pong 21:59 <knome> zequence, see the last ~20 lines 21:59 <knome> well i guess 30-40ish 21:59 <zequence> We 21:59 <knome> You 21:59 <slickymaster> great micahg, thanks 21:59 <zequence> Sorry. We've had a 5 year plan, but I guess we'll go EOL with you guys 22:00 <slickymaster> does anyone else still have anything to discuss? 22:00 <elfy> nope 22:00 <knome> zequence, i think i overtalked you to 3 years 3 years ago :) 22:00 <knome> zequence, at least your release notes say 3... 22:00 <slickymaster> #endmeeting