== Meeting information ==
 * #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu community meeting, 13 Nov at 11:00 — 12:03 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-11-13-11.00.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== Open action items ===
The discussion about "Open action items" started at 11:08.

  * slickymaster started the calls for "translations important for xubuntu"
  * ''ACTION:'' elfy and knome to complete the QA processes change

=== Team updates ===
The discussion about "Team updates" started at 11:17.

  * Vivid should no longer have pink highlights except for the slideshow
  * QA waiting on main -release team to start scheduling cycle
  * some image testing happening
  * some package testing happening
  * package testing finding odd issues with testcases - bug's being reported/dealt with
  * slickymaster updated Debian screenshots for Xfce/important packages~
  * Development is picking up on light-locker, new dev release expected soonish
  * ''ACTION:'' bluesabre to improve widget naming in Catfish to aid autopilot

=== Announcements ===
The discussion about "Announcements" started at 11:26.

  * Ubuntu Online Summit (UOS) started yesterday, continues through tomorrow

=== Discussion ===
The discussion about "Discussion" started at 11:30.

  * ''ACTION:'' -team to further discuss potential removal of Settings Manager from Whisker Menu
  * ''ACTION:'' elfy to mail list regarding application testing in a more exploratory system

=== Schedule next meeting ===
The discussion about "Schedule next meeting" started at 12:01.

  * ''ACTION:'' knome to schedule next meeting



== Vote results ==




== Action items, by person ==

 * bluesabre
  * bluesabre to improve widget naming in Catfish to aid autopilot
 * elfy
  * elfy and knome to complete the QA processes change
  * elfy to mail list regarding application testing in a more exploratory system
 * knome
  * elfy and knome to complete the QA processes change
  * knome to schedule next meeting



== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * bluesabre (84)
 * elfy (56)
 * slickymasterWork (18)
 * meetingology (10)
 * dkessel (5)
 * Unit193 (3)
 * qwebirc88404 (2)
 * knome (1)
 * ObrienDave (1)



== Full Log ==


 11:00 <bluesabre> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting

 11:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Nov 13 11:00:17 2014 UTC.  The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 11:00 <meetingology> 

 11:00 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 11:00 <bluesabre> good morning folks, who's around?

 11:04 <bluesabre> today might be a reschedule...

 11:04 <dkessel> o/

 11:04 <bluesabre> ohai

 11:05 <slickymasterWork> hey guys

 11:05 <bluesabre> hey dkessel, slickymasterWork

 11:05 <bluesabre> we'll give it a few minutes and see if people start to trickle in before starting

 11:05 <slickymasterWork> so, no one else around, besides us?

 11:06 <bluesabre> Unit193 is lurking in -ot

 11:06 <slickymasterWork> yeah, I was going to as if Unit193 isn't still awake :P

 11:06 <slickymasterWork> s/to as /to ask

 11:06 <Unit193> Zombie mode, biting and all.

 11:07 <slickymasterWork> heh fortunately we are immunized Unit193

 11:08 <bluesabre> Alrighty, let's get started then

 11:08 <bluesabre> #topic Open action items

 11:09 <bluesabre> slickymasterWork, you've got one on the list, progress?

 11:10 <slickymasterWork> just a sec bluesabre

 11:10 <elfy> hi - be 2 minutes

 11:11 <slickymasterWork> #info slickymaster started the calls for "translations important for xubuntu"

 11:11 <slickymasterWork> I'm planning to run two more calls until the end of the cycle

 11:12 <bluesabre> awesome

 11:12 <bluesabre> I guess you can probably #done that one for now

 11:13 <slickymasterWork> #done slickymaster to start a series of run calls for "translations important for xubuntu" list defined in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes#Package_translations

 11:13 <bluesabre> thanks :)

 11:13 <bluesabre> we'll wait for elfy

 11:13 <elfy> here now

 11:14 <bluesabre> cool, action items?

 11:14 <elfy> all done

 11:15 <elfy> #done mail the -devel list to garner comment on pad

 11:15 <elfy> #done mail -devel re where we support testers

 11:15 <elfy> and more formalized proposal about the QA process is more or less done but not on wiki yet

 11:16 <bluesabre> sweet

 11:16 <bluesabre> that could ne #info'd if you want

 11:16 <elfy> or carry on the existing action

 11:17 <bluesabre> that too

 11:17 <bluesabre> alrighty then

 11:17 <elfy> #action elfy and knome to complete the QA processes change

 11:17 * meetingology elfy and knome to complete the QA processes change

 11:17 <bluesabre> great

 11:17 <bluesabre> #topic Team updates

 11:18 <elfy> I got a few

 11:18 <bluesabre> #info Vivid should no longer have pink highlights except for the slideshow

 11:18 <bluesabre> go ahead

 11:18 <elfy> #info QA waiting on main -release team to start scheduling cycle

 11:18 <elfy> #info some image testing happening

 11:19 <elfy> #info some package testing happening

 11:19 <elfy> #info package testing finding odd issues with testcases - bug's being reported/dealt with

 11:19 <elfy> done

 11:19 <bluesabre> cool

 11:19 <qwebirc88404> sigh

 11:20 <elfy> wb qwebirc88404 - not seen you since yesterday :D

 11:20 <qwebirc88404> #info slickymaster updated Debian screenshots for Xfce/important packages~

 11:20 <bluesabre> slickymaster, thanks for that :)

 11:21 <bluesabre> #info Development is picking up on light-locker, new dev release expected soonish

 11:22 <bluesabre> otherwise, development is a bit slow atm for our team

 11:24 <bluesabre> #action bluesabre to improve widget naming in Catfish to aid autopilot

 11:24 * meetingology bluesabre to improve widget naming in Catfish to aid autopilot

 11:24 <elfy> \o/

 11:24 <dkessel> :)

 11:24 <slickymasterWork> heh

 11:24 <bluesabre> hopefully that will happen tonight

 11:25 <bluesabre> anything else for team updates?

 11:26 <elfy> not sure there are any other team people about

 11:26 <bluesabre> fair enough

 11:26 <bluesabre> #topic Announcements

 11:27 <elfy> never understood why that's not last :p

 11:27 <bluesabre> same here

 11:27 <bluesabre> #info Ubuntu Online Summit (UOS) started yesterday, continues through tomorrow

 11:27 <elfy> or penultimate at least

 11:28 <elfy> I'm hoping to be floating about during the release planning one - but no guarantees

 11:29 <bluesabre> I won't be... hopefully we'll get an idea of the timeframes for gtk 3.14 and systemd (and any other highly breakable updates)

 11:29 <elfy> yep

 11:30 <bluesabre> if no other announcements, we can start discussion

 11:30 <elfy> go for it :)

 11:30 <bluesabre> #topic Discussion

 11:30 <elfy> shall we move the settings manager one up to top while slickymasterWork is here

 11:31 <bluesabre> probably a good idea

 11:31 <elfy> :)

 11:31 <slickymasterWork> actually I think we should postponed that item

 11:31 <slickymasterWork> we're just three, doesn't seem to make much sense discuss it

 11:32 <slickymasterWork> we know for moment that neither knome and ochosi have any strong opinions on the subject

 11:32 <elfy> ok - but ftr I am -1 to removing from whiskermenu - for when it does get discussed and I'm not here :)

 11:33 <Unit193> The idea is to remove "Settings Manager" from the menu?  -1

 11:33 <bluesabre> I would also be -1. I'm rather fond of the quick access settings manager

 11:33 <slickymasterWork> I'm 0 on it

 11:34 <bluesabre> we can carry on the discussion throughout the day, it's a relatively low-impact change

 11:34 <slickymasterWork> yes

 11:35 <dkessel> i think that in the end, there should only be one way to access the settings. either from the menu category "settings", or from the "settings manager" button

 11:36 <bluesabre> I see benefit in both... having it searchable in whisker, or being able to open the settings manager.  Different folks might prefer one or the other

 11:37 <bluesabre> #action -team to further discuss potential removal of Settings Manager from Whisker Menu

 11:37 * meetingology -team to further discuss potential removal of Settings Manager from Whisker Menu

 11:37 <elfy> dkessel: not sure - the price of removing settings from the 'list' is you can't access specific items

 11:37 <dkessel> oh ok....

 11:37 <elfy> price of removing the quick button, you can't do a bunch of things concurrently without going back to the menu

 11:38 <elfy> my point on this item - we shouldn't be removing things to deal with doc ambiguity - ever

 11:38 <dkessel> yeah and i haven't thought about the search feature. i guess you're right. people coming from some other os will expect to be able to search for settings

 11:38 <elfy> doc should reflect what we have and want

 11:38 <elfy> but - let's move on I guess

 11:39 <bluesabre> alrighty

 11:39 <bluesabre> So, blueprints

 11:39 <bluesabre> On the dev side, these are in a pretty healthy state.  Items are being added and updated by the team, so that's been pleasant :)

 11:40 <elfy> qa ones are pretty much the same as ever - nothing new there nor expected to be

 11:41 * bluesabre should surprise the qa blueprints

 11:41 <elfy> go for it :p

 11:42 <bluesabre> looks like artwork has been going smoothly. We already have all of our themes patched for gtk 3.14, so when that lands we'll upgrade the package

 11:43 <bluesabre> er, most of the themes anyway

 11:44 <bluesabre> and I think its safe to say we can't really discuss the other ones without knome/pleia2

 11:44 <elfy> oh - quick question while I think about it please

 11:44 <bluesabre> go ahead

 11:45 <elfy> easy way to see  changelogs on ppa updates :)

 11:45 <bluesabre> PPAs don't support changelogs for daily builds, but other packages we upload will have them

 11:46 <bluesabre> I think

 11:46 <elfy> so - mucking about at lp in the ppa to dig out is best way?

 11:46 <bluesabre> maybe PPAs don't support them at all... will take a look to see the current status

 11:46 <elfy> bluesabre: generally not in my experience

 11:47 <bluesabre> elfy: I might set up something to at least see the git changelogs somewhere

 11:47 <elfy> ok - not a biggy, I've been endin up at something like https://launchpadlibrarian.net/190266350/mousepad_0.3.0%2Bgit-0~709~ubuntu15.04.1_0.3.0%2Bgit-0~710~ubuntu15.04.1.diff.gz

 11:47 <elfy> via lp and then more or less working it out :)

 11:48 <bluesabre> ok

 11:48 <elfy> bluesabre: thanks - let's move on :)

 11:48 <bluesabre> Any further planning to plan at this time?

 11:49 <elfy> not that I'm aware of

 11:49 <bluesabre> Unit193: anything we need to watch for potentially landing in debian?

 11:49 <bluesabre> and then syncing over to vivid

 11:50 <Unit193> I think I made a note of something minor, don't know what.

 11:50 <bluesabre> ok

 11:50 <bluesabre> :)

 11:50 <bluesabre> "Core is set for daily only, what about milestones?"

 11:51 <bluesabre> I see some comments on the pad for that one http://pad.ubuntu.com/vivid-QA-plan

 11:51 <elfy> yea

 11:52 <bluesabre> Sounds like daily is fine then, or specific calls as needed?

 11:52 <elfy> yep

 11:53 <elfy> Unit193's baby that is :)

 11:53 <bluesabre> "it's so precious"

 11:53 <bluesabre> :P

 11:53 <elfy> heh

 11:53 <bluesabre> "Change application testing to a more 'exploratory system'"

 11:54 <elfy> that's a fairly big change

 11:54 <elfy> going to mail list about it soonish but ...

 11:54 <elfy> plan is to NOT call for packages as we did last cycle

 11:54 <elfy> call a few times just to get people using vivid to drop by the tracker and report

 11:55 <elfy> mail testers about staging ppa and the need for testing as things need it

 11:55 <slickymasterWork> yeah, but packages testing does need some sort of a boost

 11:55 <slickymasterWork> there are too few of us making them

 11:55 <elfy> try and get 'dev' to talk to 'qa' as things need testing :)

 11:56 <bluesabre> ok, sounds reasonable to me (and like less of a headache for you)

 11:56 <elfy> slickymasterWork: yea - but as we're just in a mid lts cycle I'm willing to try it - it can't be worse than 14.10 cycle

 11:56 <bluesabre> elfy: don't jinx it

 11:56 <slickymasterWork> lol

 11:57 <elfy> it won't be worse - at least one has more than last cycle bluesabre :)

 11:57 <bluesabre> we don't know how bad it can get just yet :)

 11:57 <bluesabre> lol

 11:57 <elfy> anyway action me to mail list re that

 11:57 <knome> hmmh

 11:57 <bluesabre> #action elfy to mail list regarding application testing in a more exploratory system

 11:57 * meetingology elfy to mail list regarding application testing in a more exploratory system

 11:58 <bluesabre> #chair elfy

 11:58 <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre elfy

 11:58 <bluesabre> #chair knome

 11:58 <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre elfy knome

 11:59 <bluesabre> anybody else want a seat? :)

 11:59 <elfy> heh

 11:59 <bluesabre> anything else to add to the discussion?

 11:59 <ObrienDave> thanks but no thanks ;p

 11:59 <elfy> bluesabre: not at present

 11:59 <bluesabre> knome: blueprints stuff from your side?

 12:01 <bluesabre> guessing not

 12:01 <bluesabre> #topic Schedule next meeting

 12:01 <bluesabre> next lucky person is....

 12:02 <bluesabre> if ubuntu wiki ever loads....

 12:03 <bluesabre> the suspense is killing me

 12:03 <elfy> knome is next

 12:03 <bluesabre> thanks

 12:03 <bluesabre> #action knome to schedule next meeting

 12:03 * meetingology knome to schedule next meeting

 12:03 <bluesabre> #endmeeting



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