== Meeting information ==
 * #xubuntu-devel Meeting, 31 Oct at 11:01 — 11:56 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-10-31-11.01.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== Open action items ===
The discussion about "Open action items" started at 11:02.

  * ''ACTION:'' knome to write a more formalized proposal about the QA process improvements with elfy after N days of comments/feedback for the pad
  * ''ACTION:'' elfy mail the -devel list to garner comment on pad https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-October/010448.html
  * ''LINK:'' http://www.unixstickers.com/tshirts/underground-t-shirts/the-ultimate-pirate-bay-tshirt 
  * ''ACTION:'' slickymaster to start a series of run calls for "translations important for xubuntu" list defined in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes#Package_translations
  * ''ACTION:'' Elfy to mail -devel re where we support testers

=== Team updates ===
The discussion about "Team updates" started at 11:10.

  * Vivid branches for each xubuntu package/project are now open
  * Vivid series are up on the QA trackers (which are down ATM)
  * Daily builds of xubuntu-artwork, xubuntu-default-settings, and (soon) xubuntu-docs for Vivid are up at https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging
  * All other daily packages across our PPAs have been updated to build for vivid as well
  * Greybird already has basic Gtk3.14 fixes, ping ochosi when you notice bugs
  * All other themes will still need fixes for Gtk3.14
  * upower 0.99.x landed yesterday, our packages have been rebuilt to support it... watch for breakage!
  * the re-write of the section about upgrading is done and already merged to the main branch

=== Discussion ===
The discussion about "Discussion" started at 11:19.


=== Schedule next meeting ===
The discussion about "Schedule next meeting" started at 11:55.

  * bluesabre to schedule the next meeting



== Vote results ==




== Action items, by person ==

 * knome
  * knome to write a more formalized proposal about the QA process improvements with elfy after N days of comments/feedback for the pad
 * **UNASSIGNED**
  * slickymaster to start a series of run calls for "translations important for xubuntu" list defined in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes#Package_translations
  * Elfy to mail -devel re where we support testers



== Done items ==

 * elfy mail the -devel list to garner comment on pad https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-October/010448.html



== People present (lines said) ==

 * ochosi (62)
 * knome (46)
 * bluesabre (21)
 * slickymasterWork (10)
 * meetingology (9)
 * dkessel (8)
 * qwebirc11992 (1)



== Full Log ==


 11:01 <ochosi> #startmeeting

 11:01 <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Oct 31 11:01:51 2014 UTC.  The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 11:01 <meetingology> 

 11:01 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 11:02 <knome> well, we can also do a "loose agenda" meeting

 11:02 <knome> where people can bring up stuff they want to discuss

 11:02 <ochosi> #topic Open action items

 11:02 <ochosi> hm sure

 11:02 <knome> and then we'll #endmeeting at noon

 11:02 <knome> i guess there aren't too many team updates

 11:02 <ochosi> knome: how about your action items?

 11:03 <knome> let me see what there was

 11:03 <slickymasterWork> at OK Corral knome? ;)

 11:03 <knome> no formal proposal yet

 11:03 <knome> #action knome to write a more formalized proposal about the QA process improvements with elfy after N days of comments/feedback for the pad

 11:03 * meetingology knome to write a more formalized proposal about the QA process improvements with elfy after N days of comments/feedback for the pad

 11:03 <ochosi> does anybody know about whether pleia2 contacted unixstickers?

 11:04 <ochosi> otherwise i'd carry that forward too

 11:04 <knome> the "translations important for xubuntu" list is now at the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes#Package_translations

 11:04 <knome> she did

 11:04 <knome> let me see if i can dig that up

 11:05 <knome> it was #done in the previous meeting already

 11:05 <ochosi> #done elfy mail the -devel list to garner comment on pad https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-October/010448.html

 11:05 <knome> for the record:

 11:05 <knome> 23:07  pleia2: #DONE pleia2 to contact unixstickers

 11:05 <knome> 23:24  pleia2: #info unixstickers has sold plenty of Xubuntu items, so we just  need to let them know what we want for the reward based QA program

 11:05 <knome> 23:24  pleia2: #info unixstickers will also be producing t-shirts soon,  production info here:

 11:05 <knome> http://www.unixstickers.com/tshirts/underground-t-shirts/the-ultimate-pirate-bay-tshirt

 11:05 <ochosi> ah good

 11:06 <slickymasterWork> #action slickymaster to start a series of run calls for "translations important for xubuntu" list defined in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes#Package_translations

 11:06 * meetingology slickymaster to start a series of run calls for "translations important for xubuntu" list defined in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes#Package_translations

 11:06 <ochosi> nice

 11:07 <ochosi> anything else you think we should carry forward?

 11:07 <ochosi> to me it seems like the rest is probably #done one way or the other

 11:09 <knome> yep

 11:09 <ochosi> #topic Team updates

 11:09 <knome> oh

 11:09 <ochosi> ok, if you got anything, #info it now

 11:09 <knome> #action Elfy to mail -devel re where we support testers

 11:09 * meetingology Elfy to mail -devel re where we support testers

 11:09 <ochosi> i'd rather move on to discussion after this and leave things open

 11:09 <knome> ^ that

 11:09 <ochosi> oh

 11:09 <ochosi> #undo

 11:09 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION

 11:10 <ochosi> #undo

 11:10 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: TOPIC

 11:10 <knome> hah

 11:10 <ochosi> #action Elfy to mail -devel re where we support testers

 11:10 * meetingology Elfy to mail -devel re where we support testers

 11:10 <ochosi> #topic Team updates

 11:10 <ochosi> fixed

 11:10 <bluesabre> #info Vivid branches for each xubuntu package/project are now open

 11:10 <ochosi> nice work bluesabre

 11:10 <knome> #info Vivid series are up on the QA trackers (which are down ATM)

 11:11 <bluesabre> #info Daily builds of xubuntu-artwork, xubuntu-default-settings, and (soon) xubuntu-docs for Vivid are up at https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging

 11:12 <bluesabre> #info All other daily packages across our PPAs have been updated to build for vivid as well

 11:12 <ochosi> #info Greybird already has basic Gtk3.14 fixes, ping ochosi when you notice bugs

 11:13 <ochosi> #info All other themes will still need fixes for Gtk3.14

 11:13 <bluesabre> #info upower 0.99.x landed yesterday, our packages have been rebuilt to support it... watch for breakage!

 11:13 <qwebirc11992> grrr

 11:14 <bluesabre> landed, or is landing... couldn't keep up with lp notifications :)

 11:14 <bluesabre> I think that's all I have currently

 11:14 <ochosi> yeah, pitti spammed all our inboxes :)

 11:14 <ochosi> qwebirc11992: any team updates from your side?

 11:16 <slickymasterWork> the re-write of the section about upgrading is done and already merged to the main branch

 11:17 <ochosi> could you #info that properly plz?

 11:17 <slickymasterWork> thanks for the excellent work elfy done

 11:17 <slickymasterWork> #info the re-write of the section about upgrading is done and already merged to the main branch

 11:18 <ochosi> thanks

 11:18 <ochosi> ok, let's just open the floor for everyone...

 11:19 <ochosi> #topic Discussion

 11:19 <ochosi> would be nice to get some feedback on the blueprint sprint

 11:19 <ochosi> i mean: on the result of the blueprint sprint, which is the workitems

 11:19 <bluesabre> Nice. work. everyone.

 11:19 <knome> it's a good start ;)

 11:19 <ochosi> if you feel that we've covered our basis well, or something is still missing/overlooked

 11:19 <knome> i mean, i'm happy to see that there are many work items registered

 11:19 <ochosi> or something that needs review

 11:20 <knome> that gives us a more realistic view on how much work there is to be done

 11:20 <ochosi> indeed

 11:20 <knome> even if we most likely will need to change some wording and add even more smaller blueprints

 11:20 <bluesabre> the dev blueprint is in good shape, and I'm glad to see others contributing to it

 11:20 <dkessel> I would like to have some feedback on this QA item: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-qa-v-autopilot

 11:21 <dkessel> there is this old utopic specification with a large list of applications on the wiki - I think it would be better to have priorities

 11:22 <dkessel> like, which applications should get tests first. As I don't believe we will get autopilot tests for 30 apps done this cycle ;)

 11:24 <ochosi> hm, that is a difficult one

 11:24 <knome> i guess it's obvious, but i'd start with those which work with autopilot ;)

 11:24 <bluesabre> I think it would be a good effort for sure... haven't looked into it myself, but I'd be curious to know to what extent we are testing with autopilot

 11:24 <ochosi> i remember knome was considering to write a proposal to drop abiword and gnumeric

 11:25 <knome> yeah... i wouldn't start with those anyway

 11:25 <knome> (even if we kept them)

 11:25 <knome> catfish  parole  settings manager  run program  app finder  mousepad  screenshot  xfburn  ristretto  task manager

 11:25 <bluesabre> start with simpler apps and build a core test suite

 11:26 <knome> those are something i think might be good places to start

 11:26 <knome> and yeah, in the order bluesabre mentioned, easier first

 11:26 * ochosi agrees

 11:26 <knome> run program should be relatively easy

 11:26 <bluesabre> agreed... xfburn might be more difficult to create a meaningful test

 11:27 <dkessel> in that order? (see pad)

 11:27 <knome> i looked through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Utopic/Autopilot and thought which of the "works" items would be somewhat "essential" or "important" to xubuntu

 11:28 <knome> maybe that

 11:28 <knome> grouped things being "equally important"

 11:29 <knome> or, "pick whichever you please"

 11:29 <dkessel> sounds good for a start!

 11:29 <dkessel> thanks!

 11:29 <knome> but that's just my opinion :)

 11:29 <dkessel> what do the others think?

 11:29 <bluesabre> I agreed already ;)

 11:29 * ochosi too

 11:30 <knome> did you look at the pad?

 11:30 <knome> i did some subordering on the items i mentioned before

 11:30 <ochosi> hm, actually, app-finder == run program

 11:30 * slickymasterWork lost the arguments but as a matter of principle, agrees with his fellow team members

 11:30 <ochosi> and functionally == whiskermenu

 11:31 <ochosi> so i'm somewhat wondering whether we really need to test it that much, as it isn't as important anymore as it used to be

 11:31 <knome> i'd bet people migrating from other systems *cough* windows *cough* still use it a lot

 11:32 <ochosi> hm, not sure, i mean whiskermenu does pretty much all that appfinder does too

 11:32 <knome> well run a poll for users

 11:32 <ochosi> my guess would be that catfish is actually more important

 11:32 <ochosi> but either way, we don't have to do a poll to prove or disprove anything

 11:36 <dkessel> I guess that's all I need for now

 11:41 <ochosi> dkessel: great!

 11:41 <ochosi> looking forward to the tests

 11:43 <bluesabre> so, we're considering swapping evince to evince-gtk... there doesn't seem to be a functional difference, and it reduces gnome dependencies

 11:43 <knome> any downsides?

 11:43 <ochosi> yeah, i tried -gtk and it looked/behaved the same

 11:44 <bluesabre> none discovered so far... I'm thinking it might be a good idea to go ahead and switch now since we're so early in the cycle

 11:44 <ochosi> +1

 11:44 <knome> then a +1 and "go ahead" from me

 11:44 <bluesabre> and we can reevaluate at a later point as needed

 11:44 <bluesabre> got it

 11:44 <slickymasterWork> +1 from also

 11:44 <bluesabre> will do tonight/tomorrow

 11:44 <ochosi> yeah, better switching now and having more time

 11:44 <ochosi> fwiw, i don't have the feeling that people really noticed that XChat is gone

 11:45 <ochosi> the only shitstorm i saw was about the pink highlights

 11:45 <slickymasterWork> yeah, there's no public nagging about it

 11:45 <ochosi> (and even that was not very excessive)

 11:45 <slickymasterWork> about XChat that is

 11:45 <ochosi> yeah

 11:45 <ochosi> did any others of you hear anything?

 11:45 <ochosi> or: read

 11:45 <bluesabre> nope

 11:45 <knome> the next time we plan to drop something, just change the highlight color at the same time and nobody notices

 11:46 <slickymasterWork> nopes

 11:46 <bluesabre> :D

 11:47 <ochosi> :D

 11:54 <ochosi> alrighty

 11:55 <ochosi> since time is pretty much up and there aren't many new topics brought up i'd say we end today's meeting

 11:55 <ochosi> thanks to everyone for participating!

 11:55 <knome> yep

 11:55 <bluesabre> alrighty

 11:55 <bluesabre> ttyl

 11:55 <ochosi> #topic Schedule next meeting

 11:56 <ochosi> #info bluesabre to schedule the next meeting

 11:56 <ochosi> #endmeeting



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