18:00 <slickymasterWork> #startmeeting
18:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Oct  1 18:00:24 2014 UTC.  The chair is slickymasterWork. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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18:00 <dkessel> I'll try to participate somehow today. If I can...
18:00 <pleia2> o/
18:00 <slickymasterWork> So who's here for the meeting?
18:00 <elfy> possibly :)
18:00 <slickymasterWork> #chair knome pleia2
18:00 <meetingology> Current chairs: knome pleia2 slickymasterWork
18:01 * dkessel 
18:02 <slickymasterWork> with just three attendants it will be a quick one I guess :P
18:02 <elfy> ignoring me then are you :|
18:02 <slickymasterWork> knome, ping
18:03 <slickymasterWork> now elfy, you were included in those three, with pleia2 and dkessel
18:03 <slickymasterWork> s/now/no
18:03 <slickymasterWork> anyway
18:03 <slickymasterWork> #topic Open action items
18:04 <slickymasterWork> I guess the only open item is QA Incentives
18:04 <slickymasterWork> http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive
18:04 <elfy> not sure why that's still there tbh
18:04 <pleia2> I still have to contact the sticker folks
18:05 <pleia2> should have a plan for when they say "sure, we'll send you X, where to?"
18:05 <pleia2> I can be the sticker mule and ship them out from here
18:05 <slickymasterWork> thanks for that pleia2
18:05 <dkessel> hmm that pad does not state the goal of the incentives intiative, or does it?
18:06 <pleia2> the goal is to make people do testing ;)
18:06 <dkessel> define testing
18:06 <elfy> dkessel: check out the numbers of people testing - should be self-explanatory then
18:06 <dkessel> run manual tests?
18:06 <slickymasterWork> yes, increase the number of reported tests
18:06 <elfy> and images
18:06 <pleia2> package and iso tests
18:07 <dkessel> ok ok. i was not part of the discussion that lead to that pad ;)
18:07 <pleia2> see line 3 :)
18:07 <dkessel> making automatic test coverage better could be another goal
18:07 <knome> pong
18:08 <slickymasterWork> wb knome ;)
18:08 <elfy> dkessel: images are tested daily - or should be - that though doesn't mean it catches all bugs with that - reference all the vm bugs, the black background missing and others
18:09 <elfy> and auto package testing we've been trying to get off the ground for 3 cycles
18:09 <elfy> that is still currently grinding it's face along the floor
18:09 <dkessel> i remember...
18:09 <dkessel> if only i had more time
18:09 <elfy> :)
18:10 <slickymasterWork> anyway, per what pleia2 stated I don't think we should consider it as # done
18:10 <slickymasterWork> or does anyone has a different view?
18:11 <elfy> I agree - but I don't see there's much to be gained by bringing it up each week - unless we just postpone it week by week
18:11 <pleia2> we should split it into action items
18:11 <slickymasterWork> pleia2, knome, what are your views ^^
18:11 <pleia2> #action pleia2 to contact unixstickers
18:11 * meetingology pleia2 to contact unixstickers
18:11 <slickymasterWork> okie dokie
18:11 <slickymasterWork> moving on
18:12 <slickymasterWork> #topic Team updates
18:12 <elfy> that's the only urgentish bit - the t-shirts aren't needed till after 15.04 releases
18:12 <slickymasterWork> elfy, beta 2. The floor is yours
18:12 <elfy> I can go - got mine in a txt file
18:12 <elfy> #info  Final Beta testing 64bit 9 install tests, 6 livesession and 3 post install tests
18:12 <elfy> #info  Final Beta testing 32bit 9 install tests, 7 livesession and 2 post install tests
18:12 <elfy> #info  Final Beta testing Team Testing - (excluding XPL & QA Lead) - 5 team members (50%) tested images during Final Beta, 3 outside team tested. 10 total.
18:12 <elfy> that's the beta stuff
18:13 <elfy> #info bug 1375893 needs to be sorted soon
18:13 <ubottu> bug 1375893 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Black background to Try/Install Dialogue" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1375893
18:13 <elfy> #info vm bug(s) still present - should be fixed tomorrow (2/10)
18:13 <elfy> done
18:13 <slickymasterWork> well, half of the team did manage to test :)
18:13 <GridCube> \o
18:13 <slickymasterWork> that's an improvement
18:13 <elfy> not good really - 9 tests for each arch
18:14 <slickymasterWork> those numbers are better then beta1 anyway
18:14 <elfy> pointless me saying anymore on that
18:14 <GridCube> is that more or less than last cycle averages?
18:14 <elfy> I would guess that we got more people testing 1 milestone last cycle than we've had test the whole of this cycle
18:14 <GridCube> thats quite bad
18:15 <slickymasterWork> yeah, but last cycle was a LTS one
18:15 <elfy> yep - I've given up tbh - I just send the calls out because I said I would
18:15 <knome> yes, LTS+1 is always slow and quiet
18:15 <elfy> and someone should
18:15 <knome> still more or less afk
18:15 <GridCube> thats understable elfy
18:15 <elfy> knome: that may be so - but I expect more from -team
18:16 <elfy> some haven't tested and reported all cycle
18:16 <elfy> I shouldn't have to ask team seperately
18:17 <slickymasterWork> and that's to be expected elfy. -team should set an example
18:17 <knome> yes, agree, and i'm sorry
18:17 <elfy> move on to whoever else has team updates
18:17 <elfy> knome: I'm not pointing fingers at *anyone* - team is team
18:17 <slickymasterWork> pleia2, any marketing updates?
18:17 <knome> yes, we should get better with 15.04...
18:17 <pleia2> #info knome and pleia2 working to engage users more with #LoveXubuntu idea: http://pad.ubuntu.com/Nl1LbS6DqL
18:18 <pleia2> I think that's it for now
18:19 <knome> yep, will put some time to that
18:19 <elfy> never seen that
18:19 * slickymasterWork neither
18:19 <knome> well, that's a new idea;)
18:20 <pleia2> it evolved out of some engagement discussions in the spring, we finally came up with an idea ;)
18:20 <elfy> should perhaps have been on agenda or should be in future then
18:20 <pleia2> it's not happening immediately, just a quick fyi now, we'll flesh it out and agendaize it later
18:20 <elfy> k
18:21 <slickymasterWork> ok, I think we can safely skip 'Announcements' or does anyone have any?
18:21 <slickymasterWork> right
18:21 <slickymasterWork> #topic Discussion
18:21 <slickymasterWork> #subtopic list of projects we need/want to maintain translations
18:22 <slickymasterWork> so, with the intention of encouraging people to translate, knome come up with the idea of either creating a wikipage that lists all software that we ship/care about and where their translations are being done or update the "Get involved" page for translations
18:22 <slickymasterWork> so we sketched up a listing of projects of which translations, Xubuntu care about -> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-apps-translations
18:22 <slickymasterWork> the idea would be to have a sane list of projects we need/want to maintain translations for
18:22 <knome> ^ that list should probably go to the "processes" page
18:23 <slickymasterWork> yes, but firstly I would like that -team would have some sort of an opinion on the list itself
18:24 <slickymasterWork> any takers?
18:24 <elfy> might have been useful to have it on the agenda - no-one knew you were going to discuss it :)
18:24 <knome> yes, but since processes is editable by anyone any time, we should drop that list there soonish
18:24 <slickymasterWork> that's my fault :P
18:24 <knome> well it's brought up now P
18:25 <elfy> currently that list looks sane
18:25 <slickymasterWork> elfy, any app you think that might/ought be added?
18:25 <knome> assign a work item to me to send a mail to the list and i'll do that today
18:25 <slickymasterWork> or dropped?
18:26 <elfy> slickymasterWork: why are the out of scope ones there?
18:26 <slickymasterWork> #action knome to send a mail to the list regarding list of projects we need/want to maintain translations
18:26 * meetingology knome to send a mail to the list regarding list of projects we need/want to maintain translations
18:26 <slickymasterWork> to which ones are you referring elfy ?
18:26 <elfy> the 4 in the out of scope list
18:27 <elfy> gimp, abiword, gnumeric and gmb
18:27 <slickymasterWork> those were/are ment for discussion
18:27 <elfy> still ambivalent about gmb anyway - not sure we should seed that at all
18:27 <elfy> parole plays music
18:27 <knome> elfy, that's another discussion, and i partly agree
18:28 <slickymasterWork> but just plays music
18:28 <knome> but let's leave that for some other time
18:28 <elfy> using the same argument that we used for xchat/pidgin - we don't need both
18:28 <slickymasterWork> elfy, pidgin is going to be used as IRC interface
18:28 <elfy> ok - well lets deal with the translations first - sorry :)
18:29 <slickymasterWork> I'll add this item to the agenda for the next meeting
18:29 <slickymasterWork> anything else?
18:29 <elfy> why not discuss it in a moment?
18:29 <slickymasterWork> sure
18:30 <dkessel> i would suggest including abiword and gnumeric in "Used by Xubuntu"
18:30 <dkessel> as they are the default office applications, and office apps are important for users
18:30 <elfy> so - translations - I'd guess that those for anything we have as default should be covered
18:30 <knome> i'll send comments on the mail for the reason why they are not on the list
18:30 <knome> elfy, you/we can discuss gmb now, but i'm more or less off
18:30 <elfy> if it's an issue of people and time - that's something else
18:31 <knome> so it wouldn't be very sensible...
18:31 <elfy> knome: that could be said for any discussion we have where we've only got 2 or 3 people kicking about
18:31 <knome> it's that; and gnome has it's own translation teams, and i don't think translating gnumeric/abiword is the #1 item for our translators who already are limited and have limited time
18:32 <elfy> knome: ok - I can ack that concern completely
18:32 <knome> elfy, i'm not saying you can't have the discussion, but i can't bring any thoughts in it :)
18:32 <knome> but as i said, yes, we should consider dropping gmb
18:32 <knome> though i'd like *some* media player that handles *collections* in some way as a replacement
18:32 <dkessel> ok, then it is sane to only list default apps where there are not many people currently involved with translations...
18:32 <knome> but that's something i don't have time to argument for
18:32 <slickymasterWork> the way I see that list has to be a compromise between the perspective of newly come into xubuntu/linux ecosystem users and what existing xubuntu users are interested in
18:33 <elfy> I'd be happier perhaps to see the out of scope items called when we've got time :)
18:33 <knome> the #1 thing to translate is the xubuntu documentation
18:33 <knome> then we got all the core components + xfce
18:33 <knome> then everything else that's seeded in xubuntu
18:33 <knome> and then everything in the repository
18:33 <slickymasterWork> it's up to the -team to prioritize the translations elfy
18:33 <elfy> I've not got a problem with saying foo is more important to us than bar
18:33 <knome> there will *always* be fallback items
18:34 <elfy> out of scope just suggests never to me :)
18:34 <knome> and there is always people who rather use their time translating gnumeric than xubuntu docs, so *shrug*
18:34 <slickymasterWork> and we must not forget that all xfce stuff is already covered by https://wiki.xfce.org/translations
18:34 <knome> elfy, yes, they wouldn't be on the list if they don't move to any other group :)
18:35 <elfy> as it stands - that list looks sane to me in general
18:35 <slickymasterWork> pleia2 what's your take on this?
18:36 <slickymasterWork> mm, okay. Anything else?
18:37 <slickymasterWork> right, so who's next chairing?
18:37 <elfy> pleia2
18:37 <slickymasterWork> pleia2, want to schedule now?
18:38 <slickymasterWork> lol, she fall asleep :)
18:38 <slickymasterWork> #action pleia2 to schedule the next meeting.
18:38 * meetingology pleia2 to schedule the next meeting.
18:38 <slickymasterWork> that's it
18:38 <slickymasterWork> #endmeeting