17:59 <pleia2> #startmeeting 17:59 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Aug 14 17:59:27 2014 UTC. The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 17:59 <meetingology> 17:59 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 17:59 <pleia2> ok, who do we have here? 18:00 <skellat> o/ 18:00 <elfy> hi 18:00 <pleia2> #topic Open action items 18:01 <pleia2> "marketing team to support xfce's bug bounty programme by informing people on website and social media" that didn't get done :) will re-action 18:01 <pleia2> #action marketing team to support xfce's bug bounty programme by informing people on website and social media 18:01 * meetingology marketing team to support xfce's bug bounty programme by informing people on website and social media 18:01 <pleia2> doesn't look like bluesabre, knome or ochosi are around to update on their items 18:03 <pleia2> #chair elfy Unit193 18:03 <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 elfy pleia2 18:03 <pleia2> so do we just reaction all their stuff? 18:03 <elfy> I guess so pleia2 18:03 <skellat> No 18:03 <Unit193> That's how it used to go, yeah. 18:04 <pleia2> clear as mud 18:04 <pleia2> will reaction so we can follow up at next meeting 18:04 <elfy> well I can see no reason why not 18:04 <pleia2> #action bluesabre to put list of xubuntu packageset packages on wiki 18:04 * meetingology bluesabre to put list of xubuntu packageset packages on wiki 18:04 <pleia2> #action bluesabre to upload new xubuntu-default-settings 18:04 * meetingology bluesabre to upload new xubuntu-default-settings 18:05 <pleia2> #action bluesabre to enable clutter in parole, set as default in xubuntu-default-settings 18:05 * meetingology bluesabre to enable clutter in parole, set as default in xubuntu-default-settings 18:05 <pleia2> #action knome to check docs side of including pkexec policy files in favor of gksu 18:05 * meetingology knome to check docs side of including pkexec policy files in favor of gksu 18:05 <pleia2> that's good, ochosi's item was mailing the list about xchat and that was done :) 18:05 <pleia2> #topic Team updates 18:06 <pleia2> ok, what are we up to? :) 18:06 <Unit193> bluesabre enabled clutter in parole, but it's not been set the default yet. 18:06 <pleia2> I don't really have any updates from web or marketing, so no #info from me 18:06 <elfy> #info QA is moribund still 18:06 <skellat> #info skellat has been engaged in backport requests and sync requests 18:08 <elfy> # Beta 1 in 2 weeks time - will call for testing, depending on response will reflect on whether to bother with Final Beta 18:08 <pleia2> anything else? 18:08 <elfy> not from me 18:08 <Unit193> #info bluesabre enabled clutter in parole, but it's not been set xubuntu-default-settings yet. 18:08 <pleia2> #info Beta 1 in 2 weeks time - will call for testing, depending on response will reflect on whether to bother with Final Beta 18:08 <pleia2> thanks elfy 18:08 <skellat> Do we want any items to come up for Global Jam to be worked on/played with? I had seen there was a meeting CCT held earlier today but I didn't catch all they went into. 18:08 <elfy> oops sorry pleia2 :) 18:09 <pleia2> docs and testing are really the only things we can do for Jam stuff 18:09 <pleia2> but I'm not participating in UGJ this time around (will be traveling) 18:10 <skellat> Can anybody identify specifics on our end and relate them to apparently mhall119 and/or dholbach? 18:11 <skellat> That is to say, low-hanging fruit sorts of opportunities that would help us move forward 18:11 <elfy> apparently not 18:12 <pleia2> skellat: maybe mail the list to see if anyone is interested in that? 18:12 <skellat> I'll take an action item for that 18:12 <pleia2> #action skellat to mail list to see if anyone wishes to identify specific low-hanging fruit tasks for the Global Jam 18:12 * meetingology skellat to mail list to see if anyone wishes to identify specific low-hanging fruit tasks for the Global Jam 18:12 <pleia2> thanks skellat 18:13 <pleia2> #topic Announcements 18:13 <pleia2> anything? 18:13 <elfy> nope 18:13 <skellat> I've got nothing 18:14 <Unit193> Feature freeze? 18:14 <Unit193> Did we announce the calendar page with the trello and Xubuntu calendars? 18:14 <elfy> I saw it somewhere Unit193 18:14 <GridCube> i think that was announced in the mailing list a few weeks ago 18:14 <pleia2> debian import freeze has happened, feature freeze comes up on the 21st 18:15 <Unit193> OK, terrible memory and all. :( 18:15 <pleia2> :) 18:15 <Unit193> #info Debian import freeze is in effect 18:15 <Unit193> #info Feature freeze is coming up on the 21st. 18:16 <pleia2> #topic Discussion 18:16 <pleia2> #subtopic Gksu/do 18:16 <pleia2> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-July/010287.html 18:16 <mhall119> skellat: we need to update the UGJ wikipages first, then we'll have a place for you to put specific activities that would contribute to Xubuntu 18:17 * mhall119 apologies for coming in late 18:17 <GridCube> Unit193, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-July/010321.html 18:17 <pleia2> any gksu/do things? 18:17 <elfy> pleia2: is that one not kind of dependent on knome's doc stuff? 18:17 <Unit193> GridCube: Yep, thanks. It's the memory again. :( 18:17 <pleia2> elfy: perhaps! 18:17 <GridCube> :) 18:18 <skellat> mhall119: We still need to do harvesting on the Xubuntu side first. You've got time. 18:18 <elfy> I'd +1 returning to gksu tbh - not part of the discussion re removing it in the first place, but I really don't see why we should be the only falvour without gksu 18:18 <elfy> hi mhall119 :) 18:18 * pleia2 nods 18:19 <skellat> elfy: The discussion in last meeting was that it was a tremendous hack and that we need to move towards getting pkexec-related compatabilities set up. 18:19 <Unit193> pkexec is "nice" for things that support it and more secure, but really not so useful everywhere else. I'd be in favor of using pkexec where we can, but gksu everywhere else and seeding it. 18:19 <GridCube> who would do that 18:19 <elfy> skellat: maybe so - but still there are huge bunches of people wandering around doing things for ubuntu 18:19 <elfy> and pkexec smacks of the attitude with ibus - fine for us, sorry about you 18:20 <elfy> Unit193: +1 18:20 <pleia2> Unit193: +1 18:20 <pleia2> did we end up with volunteers to pkexec things? 18:20 <skellat> elfy: micahg wanted to drop it as catfish was one of the last things that needed it as a dependency which it doesn't anymore. ochosi was advised by mainline security that gksu has security issues. 18:21 <pleia2> boo security 18:21 <elfy> pleia2: I had already got 3 here - put them on the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Utopic/Pkexec 18:22 <elfy> skellat: even so - where does that put everyone else - and I repeat - it is US and Studio that don't seed gksu 18:22 <elfy> and I don't see the sky falling in on anyone else 18:22 <pleia2> elfy: oh good 18:23 <skellat> elfy: That will require further study to see where it puts us in the overall realm of who is using gksu & who isn't 18:23 <elfy> skellat: Ubuntu, Studio and Xubuntu don't have gksu 18:24 <elfy> knee jerk reaction to it whenever it was 18:24 <skellat> I was thinking outside the Ubuntu realm 18:24 <elfy> I've no interest in that 18:24 <Unit193> #rank name inst vote old recent no-files (maintainer) 18:24 <Unit193> 378 gksu 2554519 23075 2528873 1693 878 (Gustavo Noronha Silva) 18:25 <skellat> The lurking issue of systemd has to be remembered which can and does inform what we do across the Ubuntu flavors even when we're not the ones directly deciding 18:26 <elfy> that'll be lurking for sometime I would think 18:26 <Unit193> Yep. 18:26 <pleia2> yeah 18:26 <Unit193> Also, not sure what systemd has to do with gksu directly. 18:27 <elfy> so - I'd say postpone this till next meeting 18:27 <pleia2> elfy: wfm 18:27 <pleia2> #subtopic Discuss possible support of Xfce's bug bounty programme 18:27 <pleia2> I think this was also agreed, yay 18:28 <pleia2> #action pleia2 to work on drafting bounty/donation page for Xfce's bug bounty programme on xubuntu.org 18:28 * meetingology pleia2 to work on drafting bounty/donation page for Xfce's bug bounty programme on xubuntu.org 18:28 <pleia2> #subtopic Make the Trello board publicly readable 18:29 <pleia2> elfy: know anything about this one? 18:29 <elfy> I've no issue with that - easily done, regardless of readability - only people ON the board can post afaik 18:29 <pleia2> seems logical 18:29 <pleia2> anyone have objections? 18:30 <elfy> not me 18:30 <elfy> I'd vote perhaps - then move it to m/l - give it a week 18:30 <skellat> Go for it especially after the static bluesabre got from DMB 18:30 <pleia2> #subtopic Check whether the Blueprints and Trello board are in sync 18:30 <pleia2> this one just sounds like just an action item someone should take 18:30 <elfy> I can do that pleia2 18:31 <pleia2> #action elfy to check whether the Blueprints and Trello board are in sync 18:31 * meetingology elfy to check whether the Blueprints and Trello board are in sync 18:31 <pleia2> elfy: thank you 18:31 <elfy> but what about the readability thing :) 18:31 <elfy> yay or nay or move to m/l 18:31 <pleia2> elfy: yay 18:31 <pleia2> yea? 18:31 <pleia2> do eet 18:31 <elfy> :) 18:31 <elfy> done 18:32 <pleia2> #done elfy made Trello board publicly readable 18:32 <elfy> get confirmation from someone lurking like krytarik 18:32 <elfy> https://trello.com/b/P9r6ICd0/xubuntu-team 18:32 <pleia2> krytarik: can you see the board? 18:32 <Unit193> Works. 18:32 <knome> i'm here! 18:32 <skellat> Heck, I can even see it when I'm not logged into trello so it is world readable 18:32 <Unit193> knome: Welcome. 18:32 <elfy> hi knome 18:32 <pleia2> cool 18:33 <pleia2> #subtopic Other Business (and knome things) 18:33 <pleia2> :D 18:33 <pleia2> ok, anything else? 18:33 <knome> gee, thanks :P 18:33 <pleia2> heheh 18:33 <Unit193> Perhaps document better how Xubuntu runs the meetings? 18:33 <pleia2> am I doing that badly? :) 18:33 <elfy> pleia2: no but I suspect Unit193 know's he's up soon :p 18:34 <Unit193> < pleia2> clear as mud that kind of gave a hint. 18:34 <pleia2> oh yeah 18:34 <pleia2> I can draft up instructions and ask people to fix them 18:34 <GridCube> this is the first meeting im able to attend in about a year probably :( 18:34 <knome> pleia2, be in touch with me on that. 18:34 * skellat references the Debian-side bugs list for gksu for the purpose of consideration for discussion: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=gksu 18:35 <pleia2> knome: will do 18:35 <pleia2> #action pleia2 to draft up meeting chair instructions and seek feedback 18:35 * meetingology pleia2 to draft up meeting chair instructions and seek feedback 18:35 <pleia2> skellat: thanks for the link 18:35 <pleia2> #info Debian-side bugs list for gksu for the purpose of consideration for discussion: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=gksu 18:36 <pleia2> GridCube: in that case, have anything you wish to discuss? :) 18:37 <GridCube> as a side effect of not being able to properly know how i can contribute for not joining conversations, no, though i liked the fact that some of the questions where forwarded to the mailing list where i could add my two cents 18:37 <elfy> GridCube: I'd agree that's been a good thing 18:38 <knome> we could start sending a mail that notifies about the meeting minutes being up 18:38 <Unit193> Or, send the meeting minutes like several other teams do. 18:38 <pleia2> maybe we add that to chair tasks 18:38 <knome> so the meeting results would get more exposure to public, and probably open some discussion 18:38 <GridCube> talking about that questions, the droping of xchat, i understand that we already droped it, but i would like that then we add a link on whishkers menu called "online help" that sends people to the web client for our channel on the main page 18:39 <knome> not all of the issues are something we want/need to discuss on the mailing list 18:39 <GridCube> knome, no, i understand 18:39 <Unit193> Right, and I'd prefer not. 18:39 <knome> Unit193, prefer not what? 18:40 <Unit193> Every discussion happing on the ML, seems overkill. 18:40 <knome> yeah. 18:40 <knome> GridCube, what we are doing is making an experiment on how people react on xchat being removed 18:40 <elfy> then that goes against what we decided - if it's a meeting discussion it should go to m/l for those not able to be here 18:41 <knome> GridCube, if we decide it's the right way, we can then discuss if we want a menu item 18:41 <knome> elfy, i was referring to mostly "for information" items :) 18:41 <elfy> ok 18:41 <GridCube> knome, i see. i don't agree but i understand. 18:41 <knome> besides, i'm probably thinking a bit differently than you; 18:41 <pleia2> well, I think meeting minutes being sent to the list should be more of a FYI thing, we still want threads started for important discussions 18:42 <knome> not ALL of the things we discuss in the meeting *must* be a meeting/team discussion 18:42 <pleia2> and I think just a link in an email, like: we had a meeting, read about it here: 18:42 <elfy> pleia2: wfm 18:42 <GridCube> sure, im not asking to move the meetings to the mailing list 18:42 <knome> it's just that the meeting is a good forum to discuss things and get it archived somewhat reasonably to logs that are much more accessible than irclogs.ubuntu.com ;) 18:42 <GridCube> i just liked that some question where forwarded there where i could participate 18:42 <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-August/038428.html - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-August/038422.html 18:42 <pleia2> GridCube: nods 18:43 <pleia2> we should keep doing that, it's good, we usually get feedback 18:43 <knome> GridCube, definitely. that's more related to voting than meetings itself. 18:44 <GridCube> mmhm 18:44 <knome> extending the voting to the mailing list we can guarantee to either 1) get a quorum or 2) give enough time for everybody to be able to vote 18:45 <knome> (even if technical quorum isn't met) 18:45 <pleia2> yeah 18:45 <knome> that being said... 18:46 <knome> the strategy document doesn't talk about "expiring" from -team in vain 18:47 <knome> i'm not saying there's anybody specific who shouldn't be part of the team, but please keep it in mind and judge with your own conscience whether you think you are warranted the membership 18:47 <knome> (and thus, a vote in every vote, and making the quorum harder to reach in numbers) 18:47 <knome> we don't want to kick anybody out, but it's the best for all to have an up-to-date membership list :) 18:48 <elfy> indeed - totally agree with that 18:48 <knome> and that said... 18:48 <knome> we're happy to have old contributors back 18:48 <knome> and they'll probably gain their membership faster since we already know them.. 18:51 <pleia2> knome: maybe an agenda item for next meeting? 18:51 <GridCube> knome, i understand 18:51 <knome> pleia2, of what? :) 18:51 <pleia2> expiring team 18:51 <knome> well, sure, though it should be an ongoing item ;) 18:51 <pleia2> ah ok 18:52 <knome> so maybe not 18:53 <pleia2> ok, anything else? 18:53 <elfy> I'm good pleia2 18:53 <GridCube> not from me 18:53 <knome> nope 18:53 <skellat> Adjournment sounds great 18:53 <pleia2> #topic Schedule next meeting 18:53 <elfy> ochosi 18:54 <pleia2> I'm on there twice, so I forgets :) 18:54 <pleia2> is it ochosi up next? 18:54 * knome checks 18:54 <elfy> yea - twice in a row :) 18:55 <knome> yeah, i believe so ;) 18:55 <pleia2> #action ochosi to schedule next meeting 18:55 * meetingology ochosi to schedule next meeting 18:55 <elfy> then it's the Debian Liason's turn ... 18:55 <pleia2> I'll do meeting minute stuff after lunch 18:55 <pleia2> thanks all 18:55 <pleia2> #endmeeting