== Meeting information ==
 * #xubuntu-devel Meeting, 26 May at 20:01 — 21:01 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-05-26-20.01.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.8.5 is stuck, working on it
menulibre SRU in progress
''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/menulibre/+bug/1323405 
=== Team updates ===
The discussion about "Team updates" started at 20:06.

  * QA is slow - hardly any movement at all
  * Artwork: Our icon-theme is being worked on currently, hopefully a new release soon. Fixed a few visual bugs, like bluetooth status not showing correctly in the panel (blueman) and fix for indicator-power and bright panels.
  * Artwork: Work on Gtk3.12 support in our themes is currently blocked by Gtk3.12 not being in the repos yet.
  * Marketing: pleia2 did an interview for Linux Luddites Episode #16 on Xubuntu http://linuxluddites.com/shows/episode-16/
  * Development: The light-locker black screen fix is in the sponsors queue
  * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker-settings/+bug/1323368 
  * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1323367 
  * Website new static.xubuntu.org CSS page was added to theme so we can do some of our own CSS updates without waiting on IS

=== Announcements ===
The discussion about "Announcements" started at 20:13.


=== Discussion ===
The discussion about "Discussion" started at 20:18.

  * The mailinglist will get moderated on a per-offender basis, "two strikes and you're flagged".
  * ''ACTION:'' knome to describe the -devel ML moderation policy to Processes in the wiki
 * '''Trello''' (20:31)
  * Unit193 set up a Trello bot for interaction with the board from within IRC.
  * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#Xubuntu_Team 
  * Those in -team not yet on the trello access list to get account so they can be added
  * ''ACTION:'' knome to create a Trello account
  * Whoever has questions to Trello can get in touch with elfy.
 * '''Meeting times during the U cycle''' (20:46)
  * ''ACTION:'' slickymaster to announce the next meeting time ASAP
  * ''ACTION:'' knome updates the Processes page for the new meeting chair/scheduling policy
  * ''ACTION:'' knome adds a list of cycling chairs in the Meetings page
 * '''Route testing requirements through xubuntu-qa''' (20:53)
  * Talk to QA for testing requirements
  * Check Trello calendar before talking to QA



== Vote results ==




== Action items, by person ==

 * knome
  * knome to describe the -devel ML moderation policy to Processes in the wiki
  * knome to create a Trello account
  * knome updates the Processes page for the new meeting chair/scheduling policy
  * knome adds a list of cycling chairs in the Meetings page



== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * ochosi (149)
 * knome (103)
 * elfy (62)
 * bluesabre (31)
 * pleia2 (13)
 * meetingology (11)
 * Unit193 (9)
 * Noskcaj_ (3)
 * ubottu (3)



== Full Log ==


 20:01 <ochosi> #startmeeting

 20:01 <meetingology> Meeting started Mon May 26 20:01:30 2014 UTC.  The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 20:01 <meetingology> 

 20:01 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 20:01 <bluesabre> \o/

 20:01 <knome> oh boo, i'm soon running out off battery

 20:01 <ochosi> indeed, boo

 20:01 <elfy> o/

 20:02 <ochosi> i think we were a bit lazy in terms of adding stuff to the agenda :)

 20:02 <ochosi> anyway, i'll quickly tell you about my action items from last time: staging PPA: done.

 20:03 <ochosi> continuing the voting on the ML was done, but we should discuss the result today i think

 20:03 <ochosi> and i sent an email about how to do team meetings

 20:03 <ochosi> bluesabre: how about your open action items?

 20:03 <ochosi> (greeter and menulibre SRU)

 20:04 <bluesabre> #info lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.8.5 is stuck, working on it

 20:04 <bluesabre> #info menulibre SRU in progress

 20:04 <bluesabre> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/menulibre/+bug/1323405

 20:04 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1323405 in menulibre (Ubuntu) "[SRU] Please backport menulibre-2.0.4 to trusty" [Undecided,New]

 20:04 <knome> bluesabre, if you need help with getting the black screen in, poke me

 20:04 <knome> err, black screen fix

 20:04 <ochosi> hehe

 20:04 <bluesabre> knome: will do

 20:04 <ochosi> knome breaks everyone's install, if needed

 20:05 <bluesabre> support i'll link those as well

 20:05 <bluesabre> or, wait until announcements for those

 20:05 <ochosi> yup, or team updates :)

 20:05 <ochosi> elfy: what about your open action items?

 20:05 <elfy> do I have any?

 20:06 <ochosi> nah, i think they're all done

 20:06 <ochosi> just wanted to make sure

 20:06 <ochosi> #topic Team updates

 20:06 <elfy> the one action thing from the last meeting was done before the meeting finished :p

 20:06 <ochosi> any team updates ppl?

 20:07 <elfy> #info QA is slow - hardly any movement at all

 20:07 <elfy> done

 20:07 <knome> ;)=

 20:07 <pleia2> oh hi

 20:08 <knome> oh hi pleia2!

 20:08 <bluesabre> black screen fix should go here or announcements?

 20:08 <bluesabre> hey pleia2!

 20:08 <knome> bluesabre, here's good

 20:08 <bluesabre> ok

 20:08 <ochosi> #info Artwork: Our icon-theme is being worked on currently, hopefully a new release soon. Fixed a few visual bugs, like bluetooth status not showing correctly in the panel (blueman) and fix for indicator-power and bright panels.

 20:08 <ochosi> #info Artwork: Work on Gtk3.12 support in our themes is currently blocked by Gtk3.12 not being in the repos yet.

 20:08 <pleia2> #info Marketing: pleia2 did an interview for Linux Luddites Episode #16 on Xubuntu http://linuxluddites.com/shows/episode-16/

 20:09 <knome> pleia2, ooh, can we SOME that?

 20:09 <bluesabre> #info Development: The light-locker black screen fix is in the sponsors queue

 20:09 <bluesabre> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker-settings/+bug/1323368

 20:09 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1323368 in light-locker-settings (Ubuntu) "Please upload light-locker-settings 1.2.1-0ubuntu2 to utopic" [Undecided,Confirmed]

 20:09 <bluesabre> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1323367

 20:09 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1323367 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Please upload xfce4-power-manager 1.2.0-3ubuntu5 to utopic" [Undecided,Confirmed]

 20:09 <ochosi> iirc links are picked up automatically now

 20:09 <ochosi> no need for #link anymore

 20:09 <pleia2> knome: hm?

 20:09 <ochosi> (just saying)

 20:10 <knome> pleia2, social media

 20:10 * bluesabre rocks it old school

 20:10 <ochosi> heh

 20:10 <pleia2> knome: done!

 20:10 <knome> at least links with nothing else on the line...

 20:10 <ochosi> bluesabre: sure, however you prefer ;)

 20:10 <knome> pleia2, cool :)

 20:10 <pleia2> knome: did you #info the external CSS yet?

 20:10 <knome> bluesabre, i've bumped the importance to critical.

 20:10 <knome> pleia2, oh noes

 20:10 <knome> i need power

 20:10 <knome> brb

 20:10 <bluesabre> thanks knome

 20:11 * Unit193 been skimming.

 20:11 <ochosi> any further team updates?

 20:11 <knome> y

 20:11 <ochosi> ok, will wait for you then

 20:11 <ochosi> just wanted to say in advance that despite the empty schedule, there are a few things worth discussing

 20:11 <pleia2> #info Website new static.xubuntu.org CSS page was added to theme so we can do some of our own CSS updates without waiting on IS

 20:11 <knome> oh duh

 20:12 <knome> i was writing a much more verbose one

 20:12 <ochosi> \o/ nice pleia2 and knome

 20:12 <knome> ochosi, that was my item ;)

 20:12 <pleia2> verbose--

 20:12 <pleia2> :)

 20:12 <knome> nah

 20:12 <knome> depends!

 20:13 <ochosi> ok, any other updates?

 20:13 <knome> bluesabre, btw, i'm not sure if you should set the bug confirmed

 20:13 <pleia2> I'm done

 20:13 <knome> bluesabre, that might not be the way the SRU team tracks the bugs...

 20:13 <bluesabre> knome: those two aren't for SRU yet

 20:13 <bluesabre> gotta go to utopic, the SRU back to trusty

 20:13 <ochosi> #topic Announcements

 20:13 <bluesabre> so more bugs in the future :)

 20:14 * ochosi assumes that when pleia2 is done, everyone is

 20:14 <ochosi> any announcements?

 20:14 <knome> bluesabre, hmm, sponsors what i meant ;)

 20:14 <bluesabre> ok, then it's good for sponsors ;)

 20:14 <knome> bluesabre, i somehow thought sru...

 20:14 <elfy> ochosi: should there not be an announcement from you

 20:14 <elfy> on the mailing list thing

 20:14 <knome> and debian liaison?

 20:14 <knome> or did that get two weeks

 20:14 <ochosi> elfy: i actually wanted to wait for discussion for that one

 20:15 <bluesabre> anybody else going to apply for tech lead?

 20:15 <knome> who knows... ;)

 20:15 * elfy will just so there is someone else

 20:15 <bluesabre> oh good

 20:15 <elfy> what is it?

 20:15 <knome> haha

 20:15 <bluesabre> ;)

 20:15 <ochosi> knome: debian liaison has a week, so thursday...

 20:15 <knome> ochosi, practically this is "next week", but okay ;)

 20:16 <ochosi> i can of course always prematurely announce it if you insist ;)

 20:16 <knome> go as you please

 20:16 <elfy> there are 3 replies - that's generally about it ;)

 20:16 <knome> just a thought that popped into my mind

 20:16 <Unit193> ochosi: I hear Noskcaj_ wanted that. ;)

 20:16 <ochosi> ok, i'll wait one more minute (or two) for further announcements, then i'll carry on

 20:17 <knome> Unit193, wanted to cheer you? yeah...

 20:17 <ochosi> Unit193: that's not how i interpreted his email ;)

 20:17 <Noskcaj_> Unit193, What do i want?

 20:17 <ochosi> and hi Noskcaj_ :)

 20:17 <ochosi> any announcements from you?

 20:17 <Noskcaj_> hey ochosi

 20:17 <knome> Unit193, stop being a slimey amoeba;)

 20:17 <Noskcaj_> I'm back?

 20:17 <knome> welcome

 20:17 <bluesabre> yay!

 20:17 <ochosi> hehe, good announcement :)

 20:17 <ochosi> better #info that ;)

 20:17 <knome> another dictator ruling the project now

 20:17 <Unit193> bluesabre: Also, yes, don't set it to confirmed.

 20:18 * knome hides

 20:18 <knome> hehe, he's back and he's off

 20:18 <ochosi> just stopping by to say i'm back! bye! :)

 20:18 <ochosi> ok, let's carry on...

 20:18 <bluesabre> oh, I guess confirmed is only for sponsored merges

 20:18 <ochosi> #topic Discussion

 20:19 <ochosi> #suptopic Mailinglist proposal by knome

 20:19 <ochosi> as you all know, we voted on knome's proposal last time

 20:19 <ochosi> the result wasn't quite as unanimous as i'd have hoped

 20:20 <ochosi> we discussed this outside the meetings and i came to the following conclusion/proposal:

 20:20 <ochosi> especially in the light of the ML being rather slow lately and strangely since we started discussing closing the ML the offtopic stuff got reduced, i think we can leave it open for now

 20:21 <ochosi> but we try a "two strikes, and you're flagged" model (or X strikes, if ppl have good reasons that 2 is not ok)

 20:21 <ochosi> so when somebody sends inappropriate or offtopic stuff à la "Install LibreOffice by default" to the ML

 20:21 <ochosi> or something that is a bugreport, or a support request

 20:21 <knome> ( ^ technically, set the moderation flag for the email address so further mails from that person needs moderation)

 20:22 <ochosi> a moderator of the list gets in touch with the "offender" directly and personally

 20:22 <ochosi> if the person ignores that and offends again, he/she gets flagged

 20:22 <ochosi> good, i don't have to explain flagging anymore, thanks knome :)

 20:22 <knome> ( ^ messages should also be sent CC to xubuntu-devel-owner@lists.ubuntu.com, so other moderators know it's been dealt with)

 20:23 <ochosi> so yeah, that'd be the proposal, and if everyone can live with it, i'd say we try that for at least a month

 20:23 <ochosi> generally, this would be a very dynamic policy anway though

 20:23 <ochosi> if there's no offtopic stuff, there's nothing to moderate

 20:23 <elfy> but only admins can flag - is that right?

 20:23 <bluesabre> sounds reasonable to me

 20:23 <knome> and finally, if you aren't sure, ask other moderators

 20:23 <ochosi> if the offtopic stuff takes over, we flag lots of people

 20:23 <knome> elfy, only owners can flag, that's me and pleia2 atm

 20:23 <ochosi> knome: care to list the moderators, so that everyone knows?

 20:24 <knome> owners are (can set flags): knome, pleia2

 20:24 <knome> moderators are: elfy, unit193, bluesabre (+owners)

 20:25 <pleia2> I'd also appreciate discussion about this, if someone thinks someone is borderline, let me and knome know, I have a tendancy to give folks reams of rope to hang themselves with :)

 20:25 <knome> sending a mail to xubuntu-devel-owner@lists ... sends a mail to everybody in those two groups.

 20:25 <knome> i'm the bad cop, pleia2 is the good cop

 20:25 <elfy> and I have a tendency to use very short rope - having other things to do than baby people

 20:25 <pleia2> hehe

 20:25 <knome> but i'll promise to try to be as prompt as possible if people request moderation flags

 20:26 <knome> also,

 20:26 <elfy> if we're going to be going - ooh shall we, not sure,, mmm

 20:26 <knome> we should set a policy...

 20:26 <Unit193> elfy: I tend to just ignore, because it's "Ubuntu, so gotta give so much rope you lose sight of them."

 20:26 <elfy> then I don't want to be involved in that at all

 20:26 <knome> when moderator X sends the mail and CC's other owners

 20:26 <knome> the same moderator should take care of noticing the second strike

 20:26 <knome> (if at all possible)

 20:27 <ochosi> i'd personally prefer if we wouldn't vote on this again, cause it slows things down, if the owners and moderators of the list are ok with this proposal, i'd like to put it in effect now/today

 20:27 <knome> and i guess once that happens and anybody notices that, send another mail to -owner

 20:27 <knome> so other moderators know that's it's going to happen, and we owners can act accordingly and add the flag

 20:27 <ochosi> if needed, we can document this, i just wanna "get on with it!" and talk about other things :)

 20:28 <knome> if everybody is happy with the proposal, i can document it under Processes in the wiki today

 20:28 <ochosi> sweet, thanks knome

 20:28 <ochosi> (i hoped you'd say that ;))

 20:28 <knome> but of course! ;)

 20:28 <ochosi> pleia2: +1/0/-1? :)

 20:28 <ochosi> moderators?

 20:28 * elfy can see this getting completely wishy washy

 20:28 <bluesabre> +1

 20:29 <knome> if we need to flag loads of people, we can always reassess the need for full moderation.

 20:29 <ochosi> exactly

 20:29 <Unit193> Policy++

 20:29 <elfy> I'll just in whichever way gets this moving

 20:29 <knome> yeah, i can +1 this one as well, but i'll want one from pleia2 too, because this is clearly more work for *owners* then the previous proposal.

 20:29 <ochosi> elfy: well there's only one obvious way to get this moving... ;)

 20:30 <pleia2> should be ok

 20:30 <elfy> +0

 20:30 <elfy> I'll sit on the fence then ;)

 20:30 <ochosi> heh

 20:30 <pleia2> we can reassess if it's annoying/awful :)

 20:30 <ochosi> fine

 20:30 <ochosi> #info The mailinglist will get moderated on a per-offender basis, "two strikes and you're flagged".

 20:30 <knome> #action knome to describe the -devel ML moderation policy to Processes in the wiki

 20:30 * meetingology knome to describe the -devel ML moderation policy to Processes in the wiki

 20:31 <ochosi> #action knome will document the new moderation policy against offenders on the wiki

 20:31 * meetingology knome will document the new moderation policy against offenders on the wiki

 20:31 <ochosi> garr

 20:31 <ochosi> :)

 20:31 <knome> #undo

 20:31 <ochosi> thanks

 20:31 <knome> hmm, only chair can undo

 20:31 <ochosi> #undo

 20:31 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION

 20:31 <ochosi> ok, let's move on

 20:31 <ochosi> #subtopic Trello

 20:32 <ochosi> as it wasnt announced, i thought we could quickly talk about it

 20:32 <ochosi> there's a big trello board now that elfy set up

 20:32 <ochosi> bluesabre also used it already

 20:33 <ochosi> elfy: wanna do a few #infos?

 20:33 <ochosi> so my proposal with this one is that we try it out

 20:33 <ochosi> it can't really be much worse than the launchpad blueprints in terms of up-to-dateness

 20:33 <bluesabre> :)

 20:33 <ochosi> try it for one cycle and then re-assess how it helped us and what would be needed for it to work better

 20:34 <ochosi> #info Unit193 set up a Trello bot for interaction with the board from within IRC.

 20:34 <knome> does that need a trello account?

 20:34 <elfy> unfortunately yes

 20:34 <knome> or how's the interaction done

 20:34 <ochosi> Unit193: further infos on that? will it always reside in a different channel? how does it work?

 20:35 <elfy> there's currently 5 team members not there - knome, skellat, michah, lionel and jackson

 20:35 <elfy> 2 of those are not about for sure anyway

 20:36 <ochosi> has anyone talked to skellat lately? how long is he MIA?

 20:36 * knome has been slacking

 20:36 <knome> ochosi, probably not getting back very son

 20:36 <knome> *soon

 20:36 <elfy> ochosi: from what I saw - another cycle

 20:36 <ochosi> actually micah mentioned that he got promoted at work, so he's busier than before

 20:36 <elfy> which begs the question - if missing for 2 cycles

 20:37 <ochosi> don't wanna jump to conclusions, but i don't think he (=micahg) will be around much during U

 20:37 <ochosi> elfy: you mean wrt team membership status?

 20:37 <elfy> ochosi: I got that impression

 20:37 <elfy> ochosi: yea

 20:37 <ochosi> right, iirc knome did something before leaving me this moldy chair that ii'm currently residing on

 20:38 <ochosi> something with respect to team membership running out if there are no contributions for X cycles

 20:38 <knome> ochosi, whatever you do, don't smell it!

 20:38 <knome> i haven't done very strict cleaning.

 20:38 <ochosi> but i don't remember whether the policy was put into place or just thought about

 20:38 <elfy> "Anyone with no contributions for more than a complete cycle (6 months) should deactivate themself from the team as well as all subteams and reapply if/when they are willing to rejoin. "

 20:38 <knome> i've asked some people whether they think they will continue contributing

 20:38 <elfy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#Xubuntu_Team

 20:39 <knome> by that definition, skellat and mr_pouit should be probably dropped.

 20:39 <ochosi> i think mr_pouit did one upload of shimmer-themes in the trusty cycle

 20:39 <ochosi> depends now on what you count as "contributing"

 20:39 <knome> otoh, lionel *has* popped up now and then (and has said that since he really can't follow IRC, it's hard to follow the development generally)

 20:39 <knome> so it all depends how strictly you want to force that rule

 20:40 <ochosi> but yeah, i think it's fair that without contributions, you lose your voting rights for the time being

 20:40 <knome> i still think it's a good idea to keep that in place.

 20:40 <elfy> knome: he said that in the m/l discussion I think

 20:40 <knome> ochosi, that's the reason why it is there in the first place

 20:40 <knome> also if n people are absent, it gets harder and harder to get a quorum

 20:40 <knome> since they are never around

 20:40 <ochosi> yup

 20:40 <knome> well, "never"

 20:41 <ochosi> i think we should ask a few ppl to seize their voting rights then

 20:41 <ochosi> just have to take the time to write understanding appreciative emails with the right tone i guess...

 20:41 <knome> i'd prefer if the people deactivated themself

 20:41 <elfy> knome: +1

 20:41 <ochosi> yeah, but we still have to ask them to do it

 20:41 <knome> sure

 20:41 * ochosi wasn't suggesting anything else

 20:41 <knome> no, no

 20:42 <knome> though if we ask them, and they don't answer in six months...

 20:42 <Unit193> ochosi: It's in read only mode, it's in a different channel as it's not been invited in one of the 'official' channels.

 20:42 <ochosi> Unit193: i know, i meant: #info a few infos plz ;)

 20:42 * elfy wishes he'd not taken this trello thing offtopic lol

 20:42 <ochosi> before we move on, cause trello seems to be going away as a topic atm...

 20:43 <knome> ochosi, maybe point out that "ex" team members will most probably get their membership back much quicker than new developers

 20:43 <ochosi> elfy: yeah...

 20:43 <ochosi> knome: yeah, thought of that

 20:43 <ochosi> ok, anything else ppl wanna talk about wrt Trello?

 20:43 <elfy> #info Those in -team not yet on the trello access list to get account so they can be added

 20:43 <knome> ochosi, and that it's not really about excluding them, mostly for practical reasons (because that's how it is)

 20:43 <knome> #action knome to create a Trello account

 20:43 * meetingology knome to create a Trello account

 20:43 <Unit193> ochosi: Like?

 20:44 <ochosi> #info Whoever has questions to Trello can get in touch with elfy.

 20:44 <elfy> can you undo that please

 20:44 <ochosi> Unit193: what did you plan/think the bot would be used for? etc.

 20:44 <knome> elfy, why does Trello start with T and end with o?

 20:44 <ochosi> elfy: awwwwh :)

 20:44 <ochosi> #undo

 20:44 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: INFO

 20:44 <elfy> then add slickymaster to it - he knows as much as me :)

 20:44 <knome> slickymaster, why does Trello start with T and end with o?

 20:44 <ochosi> well i think somebody should be the "trello contact", even if i don't think there'll ever be questions

 20:44 <elfy> you can also add the other admin - which is ochosi :p

 20:44 <knome> :P

 20:45 <Unit193> ochosi: If it's useful, how you want, etc.  I like IRC, so this makes sense to me.  If we want to get more from it, we can.

 20:45 <elfy> ochosi: ok then

 20:45 <ochosi> meh, knome made me admin on so many things already...

 20:45 <elfy> pleia2 uses it as well

 20:45 <ochosi> anyway, let's carry on if there are no further #infos

 20:45 <elfy> so there are a few of us

 20:46 <elfy> #info Whoever has questions to Trello can get in touch with elfy.

 20:46 <ochosi> #subtopic Meeting times during the U cycle

 20:46 <ochosi> righty, i quickly wanted to bring that up

 20:46 <knome> ochosi, did that come as a surprise to you? :P

 20:46 <ochosi> conveniently the person who will hold the next meeting isnt here tonight :p

 20:47 <knome> skip it then

 20:47 * ochosi looks at slickymaster

 20:47 <knome> and select the next one from the list

 20:47 <knome> this needs to be dynamic:)

 20:47 <ochosi> heh

 20:47 <elfy> or get them to do it tomorrow

 20:47 <ochosi> well i also didn't announce the next meeting on the day of the previous meeting

 20:47 <knome> or call them in their phone!

 20:47 * knome hides

 20:47 <ochosi> don't think that's a huge problem

 20:47 <knome> then just info that person X does it ;)

 20:47 <ochosi> just wanted to give ppl another chance to object (since there were no comments made on it on the ML)

 20:48 <knome> cycling chairs and times is a great idea.

 20:48 <bluesabre> +1

 20:48 <ochosi> #action slickymaster to announce the next meeting time ASAP

 20:48 * meetingology slickymaster to announce the next meeting time ASAP

 20:49 <elfy> though I did just have a thought about this cycling thing - 75% of the leads are EU of some sort :)

 20:49 <ochosi> after that it'll be elfy's turn i think

 20:49 <elfy> ochosi: you forget -dev :)

 20:49 <ochosi> elfy: yeah, but that hasn't been voted on yet ;)

 20:49 <knome> elfy, 100% of XPL was EU the last time, wasn't a problem then...

 20:49 <ochosi> we also skipped our to-be Debian Liaison

 20:49 <elfy> ochosi: indeed - but it will have been by the time it gets to me :p

 20:50 <ochosi> sure, so most likely bluesabre and then elfy

 20:50 <elfy> not that I *really* mind I add

 20:50 <ochosi> do we need a list for that or will we make it clear at the end of every meeting who chairs the next one?

 20:50 <knome> who's gonna update the wiki for the new policy?

 20:51 <ochosi> the one who asks?

 20:51 <knome> ochosi, the list could be in the meetings page comments

 20:51 <ochosi> :)

 20:51 <elfy> knome: whoever is in there doing the m/l stuff?

 20:51 <knome> :P

 20:51 * knome sighs

 20:51 <elfy> lol

 20:51 <ochosi> knome: in due time, we'll create a wiki-team for you ;)

 20:51 <knome> #action knome updates the Processes page for the new meeting chair/scheduling policy

 20:51 * meetingology knome updates the Processes page for the new meeting chair/scheduling policy

 20:51 <elfy> +1 to having list in meeting page comments

 20:52 <ochosi> thanks knome!

 20:52 <knome> #Action knome adds a list of cycling chairs in the Meetings page

 20:52 * meetingology knome adds a list of cycling chairs in the Meetings page

 20:52 <ochosi> ok, any other things we wanna discuss?

 20:52 * ochosi is through with his topics for tonight

 20:52 <elfy> oh yea

 20:53 <ochosi> ah right

 20:53 <ochosi> there's one left on the meeting page :D

 20:53 <ochosi> sorry elfy

 20:53 <elfy> I only just remembered

 20:53 <ochosi> #subtopic Route testing requirements through xubuntu-qa

 20:53 <ochosi> elfy: you got the floor

 20:53 <knome> elfy, show us your best moves

 20:53 <elfy> so - simple enough - if you want something testing - talk to me

 20:53 <elfy> and

 20:54 <elfy> before you talk to me - you can check on trello calendar to see when we can fit things in :)

 20:54 <bluesabre> :)

 20:55 <elfy> please don't let me wake up to testing calls on the mailing list - I have to keep cleaning tea of the monitor ;)

 20:55 <ochosi> hehe

 20:55 <bluesabre> yeah, I'll behave

 20:55 <ochosi> elfy: good you're not drinking substances that are harder to clean off though ;)

 20:55 <elfy> bluesabre: well - you know where the calendar is :)

 20:55 <elfy> ochosi: lol

 20:55 <ochosi> any #infos for that?

 20:56 <knome> ochosi, like oil?

 20:56 <elfy> #info Talk to QA for testing requirements

 20:56 <Unit193> elfy: OK, so contact you if/when for -core?

 20:56 <ochosi> also, that sounded more like an announcement than a discussion

 20:56 <elfy> #info Check Trello calendar before talking to QA

 20:56 <ochosi> or is it just my ears... :>

 20:56 <elfy> ochosi: no - it's the time :)

 20:56 <ochosi> heh

 20:57 <elfy> if people want to try and persuade me that they can call for testing at any time - they are welcome to try :)

 20:57 <elfy> Unit193: mmm - as you are in the QA team I'd hope you'd be able to see when we've got space :D

 20:58 <ochosi> righty, anything else to "discuss"? :}

 20:58 <elfy> ochosi: we can discuss it if you want - but I'm pretty much sat here with feet in concrete

 20:59 <ochosi> nah, i'm fine with this

 20:59 <elfy> :)

 20:59 <ochosi> other topics/discussions?

 20:59 <elfy> none from me

 21:00 <bluesabre> good here

 21:01 <ochosi> ok, in that case, thanks everyone!

 21:01 <ochosi> #endmeeting



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