== Meeting information == * #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu community meeting, 08 May at 19:00 — 19:51 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-05-08-19.00.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Open action items === The discussion about "Open action items" started at 19:01. * ''ACTION:'' new-xpl: New XPL/council to run a call for a new technical lead === Team updates === The discussion about "Team updates" started at 19:03. * ''ACTION:'' knome sent a lot of menulibre bugreports * package and image testing has started * package tracker revamped === Announcements === The discussion about "Announcements" started at 19:06. * elfy is now a moderator of the xubuntu-devel mailing list === Discussion === The discussion about "Discussion" started at 19:07. * '''Create a testing PPA common to -team''' (19:07) * Carrying on * '''Using the project money (gathered from Linux Identity articles)''' (19:08) * Dropping from the agenda, will be used as need arises * '''Use a common area for detailed discussion notes (such as Trello)''' (19:08) * Carrying on * '''More mailing list moderators''' (19:10) * ''ACTION:'' knome to add elfy to moderators of -users * ''ACTION:'' knome to add bluesabre to moderators of -devel and -users === Planning for milestone images === The discussion about "Planning for milestone images" started at 19:13. * ''ACTION:'' knome to add Unit193 to moderators of -devel and -users * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule * ''ACTION:'' Team: When is systemd landing? * ''ACTION:'' elfy to send a question about participating to milestones to -devel ML * '''New mailing list''' (19:20) * Carrying the discussion on the mailing list, feedback welcome * ''ACTION:'' knome to draft a proposal about the mailing list changes and post it to the -devel ML === New Xubuntu Project Lead === The discussion about "New Xubuntu Project Lead" started at 19:27. * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ochosi/XPL2014 * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeanDavis/XPL2014 * ''Vote:'' Process for voting: first IRC, then mailing list. Private votes to knome+pleia2. (Carried) * ''Vote:'' Simon Steinbeiß (ochosi) for new XPL? (Carried) * Simon Steinbeiß (ochosi) has 4 (four) votes. * ''Vote:'' Sean Davis (bluesabre) for new XPL? (Carried) * Sean Davis (bluesabre) has 2 (two) votes. * ''ACTION:'' knome to send an email to the -devel list for email voting === Other business === The discussion about "Other business" started at 19:46. == Vote results == * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-05-08-19.00.log.html#241 Simon Steinbeiß (ochosi) for new XPL?]] * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 4/1/1) * Voters elfy, knome, micahg-work, jjfrv8-work, bluesabre0 * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-05-08-19.00.log.html#279 Sean Davis (bluesabre) for new XPL?]] * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 2/0/0) * Voters bluesabre0 * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-05-08-19.00.log.html#212 Process for voting: first IRC, then mailing list. Private votes to knome+pleia2.]] * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 5/0/1) * Voters knome, micahg-work, bluesabre0, jjfrv8-work, elfy, Unit193 == Action items, by person == * bluesabre * knome to add bluesabre to moderators of -devel and -users * elfy * knome to add elfy to moderators of -users * elfy to send a question about participating to milestones to -devel ML * knome * knome to add elfy to moderators of -users * knome to add bluesabre to moderators of -devel and -users * knome to add Unit193 to moderators of -devel and -users * knome to draft a proposal about the mailing list changes and post it to the -devel ML * knome to send an email to the -devel list for email voting * new-xpl * new-xpl: New XPL/council to run a call for a new technical lead * Team * Team: When is systemd landing? * Unit193 * knome to add Unit193 to moderators of -devel and -users == Done items == * knome sent a lot of menulibre bugreports == People present (lines said) == * knome (166) * meetingology (40) * elfy (38) * bluesabre0 (32) * Unit193 (12) * micahg-work (8) * jjfrv8-work (4) * brainwash (1) * ubottu (1) * new-xpl (0) * Team (0) * bluesabre (0) == Full Log == 19:00 #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting 19:00 Meeting started Thu May 8 19:00:48 2014 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 19:00 19:00 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 19:00 I'm here 19:01 #topic Open action items 19:01 elfy, did you extend the trello spec? 19:03 yea - as much as I could 19:03 oki 19:03 #action new-xpl: New XPL/council to run a call for a new technical lead 19:03 * meetingology new-xpl: New XPL/council to run a call for a new technical lead 19:03 #nick new-xpl 19:03 that was the action items 19:03 #topic Team updates 19:03 anything anybody? 19:04 #done knome sent a lot of menulibre bugreports 19:04 #info package and image testing has started 19:04 thanks knome 19:04 >o> 19:04 #info package tracker revamped 19:05 :) 19:06 they've even got results on them too :p 19:06 hehe, good good 19:06 sweet 19:06 anything else? 19:06 i guess it's still quite quiet 19:06 not from me 19:06 #topic Announcements 19:06 #info elfy is now a moderator of the xubuntu-devel mailing list 19:07 #topic Discussion 19:07 #subtopic Create a testing PPA common to -team 19:07 #info Postponing 19:07 hmm 19:07 #undo 19:07 Removing item from minutes: INFO 19:07 #info Carrying on 19:08 #subtopic Using the project money (gathered from Linux Identity articles) 19:08 #info Dropping from the agenda, will be used as need arises 19:08 #subtopic Use a common area for detailed discussion notes (such as Trello) 19:08 knome: how much is this money? bit hard to think of ways to use it without some idea 19:08 i think there's about 230 euros 19:08 or sth 19:08 ok - ty 19:08 i'll have to check the exact amount at home 19:09 might be more or less 19:09 i really don't remember 19:09 a roundabout figure is good enough :) 19:09 yep. 19:09 i'll check the actual amount and post that to the new XPL 19:09 who can consider how it's best used 19:09 anyway, want to discuss trello? 19:09 or should we carry that on? 19:10 is there enough people ? 19:10 doesn't seem like many people are around 19:10 dunno 19:10 !team | wakey wakey 19:10 wakey wakey: bluesabre, elfy, GridCube, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, mr_pouit, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 19:10 carry it on 19:10 #info Carrying on 19:10 o/ 19:10 * micahg-work is here, sort of 19:10 #subtopic More mailing list moderators 19:10 ochosi said he'd not be here 19:10 does anybody else have motivation to moderate lists? 19:10 o/ 19:11 bluesabre0, both? 19:11 bluesabre0: Bad timing. :P 19:11 hehe. 19:11 I can help with moderation if we create the new list we were discussing 19:11 bluesabre0, can you help with the current one if we decide to rather moderate that? :) 19:11 and what about -users? 19:11 we will need moderators anyway 19:11 we currently have 3 for each 19:12 yeah, I can help, with a hint of what to do exactly :) 19:12 knome: I thought you said -users wasn't an issue? 19:12 elfy, not too much 19:12 but... 19:12 discard spam mostly bluesabre0 19:12 yeah 19:12 knome: well I don't mind -users as well if there is a need 19:12 and if we decide to make the -devel list team only, send people email that they should send to -users as well :P 19:12 #action knome to add elfy to moderators of -users 19:12 * meetingology knome to add elfy to moderators of -users 19:12 ok, I can add that to my morning/evening routine 19:13 bluesabre0, so both? ;) 19:13 sure 19:13 #action knome to add bluesabre to moderators of -devel and -users 19:13 * meetingology knome to add bluesabre to moderators of -devel and -users 19:13 #nick bluesabre 19:13 #topic Planning for milestone images 19:13 elfy, was this your item? 19:13 aaah 19:13 If it's just removing spam, that'd do-able. 19:14 Unit193, want both? 19:14 Unit193, -users is more about spam 19:14 Unit193, in the future as well, regardless what we decide about the new mailing list 19:14 knome: No, I don't have anything to do with users if I can help it, might have to know some context for some messages right? 19:15 Unit193, not really. just approve things that don't look like spam. 19:15 Fine then. 19:15 both that is? ;) 19:15 or just -users? 19:15 Can always choose to leave it to others if I don't know, both is fine. 19:16 #action knome to add Unit193 to moderators of -devel and -users 19:16 * meetingology knome to add Unit193 to moderators of -devel and -users 19:16 milestones - basically there was talk during the last cycle of not running all the milestones during this cycle, just wanted to get that conversation moving before it's right on top of us 19:16 so, you want to discuss which milestones we'd participate in? 19:17 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule 19:17 I want us to do that yes - but it can wait as there's only a few here 19:17 we usually don't have much in the first milestone 19:17 it depends what people are looking to get out 19:17 i think we'd be fine with two betas 19:17 bluesabre0: yea - exaclty 19:17 knome: wfm 19:17 milestones just mean freezes 19:17 if we land new stuff, we can just decide to test specific daily images 19:17 or concentrate on the package testing side 19:17 unless systemd is in at that point, then that might be a consideration for a first round of functional testing 19:18 so the exact day of the iso doesn't matter 19:18 yes - but we still call for testing at milestones specifically - I just need to know 19:18 so the exact day does matter to me ;) 19:18 #action Team: When is systemd landing? 19:18 * meetingology Team: When is systemd landing? 19:18 #nick Team 19:19 bluesabre0: I don't think that we need to worry about that at the moment from what I've seen/read 19:19 and I thought that 16.04 was the plan 19:19 elfy, would you take a work item to throw that question to the mailing list? 19:19 yep 19:19 well 16.04 might be the target, but it needs to be tested before 19:19 so i hope it lands before 16.04 FF :P 19:19 more like 14.10 :D 19:19 yes - I realise that :) 19:20 #action elfy to send a question about participating to milestones to -devel ML 19:20 * meetingology elfy to send a question about participating to milestones to -devel ML 19:20 ok... 19:20 #subtopic New mailing list 19:20 #info Carrying the discussion on the mailing list, feedback welcome 19:21 does anybody want to use a chance to say something now? 19:21 for the record - if this just ends up being using a tag - it will not work 19:22 I'm still in favor of the -team mailing list, particularly to support/supplement meetings 19:22 the latest discussion is to make the -devel list much more moderated 19:22 bluesabre0: and keeping -users and -devel? 19:22 to practically make that the "team" list 19:22 that would be fine as well 19:22 so only allow messages from team 19:22 we don't use the -devel that frequently 19:23 no, because it's full of irrelevant information 19:23 and the threshold to post gets bigger 19:23 i don't want to post anything because sooner or later the threads turn to "please install libreoffice by default" 19:23 >__< 19:24 true 19:24 :) 19:24 now that i don't have any "real" responsibilities, i'd like to do that even less 19:25 but anyway... 19:26 Easier not to send to the list at all, but that's because I don't like lists. 19:26 and as sure as eggs is eggs I get less interested in posting things there that get ignored 19:26 i think i'll draft a proposal 19:26 Unit193: well what do you like to keep in contact with people - because it's not trello :p 19:26 #action knome to draft a proposal about the mailing list changes and post it to the -devel ML 19:26 * meetingology knome to draft a proposal about the mailing list changes and post it to the -devel ML 19:26 anything else on this? 19:26 knome: not from me 19:27 nope 19:27 #topic New Xubuntu Project Lead 19:27 we have two candidates: Simon Steinbeiß (ochosi) and Sean Davis (bluesabre) 19:27 elfy: Trello is closer, but partly don't like the site, format, or something. Partly don't want to brake your page, and not 100% sure I know how to use it. 19:27 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ochosi/XPL2014 19:28 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeanDavis/XPL2014 19:28 those are the candidate pages 19:28 as the nominations were made relatively early, i hope the team members have read them already 19:29 I did 19:29 nope 19:29 me too 19:29 I'm surprised nobody else applied 19:29 micahg-work, well, you will have time now.. 19:29 knome, reading :) 19:29 i've thought about the following procedure for voting: 19:30 1) start voting on the meeting 19:30 * micahg-work thought about applying 19:30 if either candidate gets 9 votes (>50% of the team) during the meeting, end the vote and announce the new leader 19:30 if not, ... 19:31 2) continue the meeting on the mailing list. those who didn't vote on the meeting can vote by sending an informal mail which clearly states their vote 19:31 should we be having the vote with one of the candidates in absentia? 19:31 he's noticed us of that and is okay with it 19:31 i've told both ochosi and bluesabre i could have proxied a "final word" for them if they were not around 19:32 neither gave me to say anything for them :) 19:32 but we were both too lazy to offer anything 19:32 yep 19:32 i don't think it's an issue 19:33 if we had 12 nominees, imagine how hard it would have been to run the meeting... 19:33 anyway, 19:33 if we go to the mailing list, the voting will end at 19UTC tomorrow. 19:33 that gives everybody 24 hours to vote 19:33 which it will I guess because there's not many of us here now :) 19:34 does anybody think we want to enable private voting on the mailing list? 19:34 (elfy: yep) 19:34 well ... 19:34 there is the ability to vote privately to meetbot here 19:34 we can decide of a trusted person to receive private mail votes. 19:34 and to tell what their totals were when the voting is over 19:34 GPG signed/encrypted to Pasi and Pleia? 19:35 then nobody will vote 19:35 :) 19:35 bluesabre0, i'm saying if somebody wants to vote non-publicly 19:35 right 19:35 I was responding to Unit 19:35 i think we can't force gpg sign/encrypy 19:35 s/y/t/ 19:35 but me and pleia2 works for me. 19:35 works for me 19:36 Well, not forced, but a good option IMO. 19:36 ok. let's vote on the process 19:37 #vote Process for voting: first IRC, then mailing list. Private votes to knome+pleia2. 19:37 Please vote on: Process for voting: first IRC, then mailing list. Private votes to knome+pleia2. 19:37 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 19:37 -team can vote 19:37 +0 19:37 +0 received from knome 19:37 +1 19:37 +1 received from elfy 19:37 (abstaining from my own proposal, don't want to skew it) 19:37 +1 19:37 +1 received from bluesabre0 19:37 +1 19:37 +1 received from micahg-work 19:37 +1 19:37 +1 received from jjfrv8-work 19:37 +1 19:37 +1 received from Unit193 19:38 i think that's it. 19:38 #endvote 19:38 Voting ended on: Process for voting: first IRC, then mailing list. Private votes to knome+pleia2. 19:38 Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 19:38 Motion carried 19:38 Unit193, can you flip a coin? 19:38 i've secretly decided who's heads for +1 19:38 if it's heads, that person is +1 19:39 if it's tails, that person is -1 19:39 actually, forget that 19:39 just let's do it like this way. 19:39 tails 19:39 #vote Simon Steinbeiß (ochosi) for new XPL? 19:39 Please vote on: Simon Steinbeiß (ochosi) for new XPL? 19:39 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 19:40 only +1 votes matter. 19:40 others are ignored 19:40 -team members can vote :) 19:40 +1 19:40 +1 received from knome 19:40 +1 19:40 +1 received from jjfrv8-work 19:40 assuming we can vote for both 19:40 well, knowing who is +1/-1/+0 might be interesting, but I guess I should've proposed that before :) 19:40 you can't. 19:40 micahg-work, vote +1 if you want to vote for simon 19:41 after this vote, i'll do another one for bluesabre 19:41 +1 19:41 +1 received from micahg-work 19:41 err, sean. :) 19:41 so you CAN'T VOTE FOR BOTH! :) 19:41 only one vote allowed. 19:41 +1 19:41 +1 received from elfy 19:41 +1 19:41 +1 received from bluesabre0 19:41 :) 19:42 Unit193, you done for this vote? :) 19:42 Yep. 19:42 anybody else? 19:42 +0 19:42 +0 received from bluesabre0 19:42 bluesabre0, hmm? :) 19:42 keep it interesting 19:42 bluesabre0, hehe 19:42 #endvote 19:42 Voting ended on: Simon Steinbeiß (ochosi) for new XPL? 19:42 Votes for:4 Votes against:1 Abstentions:1 19:42 Motion carried 19:43 #info Simon Steinbeiß (ochosi) has 4 (four) votes. 19:43 #vote Sean Davis (bluesabre) for new XPL? 19:43 Please vote on: Sean Davis (bluesabre) for new XPL? 19:43 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 19:43 +1 19:43 +1 received from bluesabre0 19:43 note: if you voted for simon, but now vote for sean, your vote will be for sean. 19:45 #endvote 19:45 Voting ended on: Sean Davis (bluesabre) for new XPL? 19:45 Votes for:2 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 19:45 Motion carried 19:45 #info Sean Davis (bluesabre) has 2 (two) votes. 19:46 we still have 8 members to vote 19:46 so it can go any way :) 19:46 #action knome to send an email to the -devel list for email voting 19:46 * meetingology knome to send an email to the -devel list for email voting 19:46 #topic Other business 19:46 anything else? 19:47 I don't have anything to add 19:47 ... except a calculator 19:48 mmh 19:48 we will need it 19:48 to not make a mistake 19:51 ok. 19:51 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)