18:01 <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
18:01 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Mar 20 18:01:02 2014 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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18:01 <knome> #topic Pick a chair
18:01 <knome> volunteers? nominations?
18:03 <elfy> sorry - in and out of the room
18:03 <pleia2> on unreliable cell wifi
18:03 <knome> excuses :)
18:03 <pleia2> :D
18:04 <knome> i can wait for a chair to pop up...
18:04 <knome> :)
18:07 <pleia2> I can try, but ssh is too slow right now to reasonably paste action items into channel
18:07 <pleia2> and if I disappear, someone else has to :)
18:08 <pleia2> (my connection was much better yesterday, before the snowmageddon)
18:09 <knome> well if elfy is in and out, you have bad connectivity, i'm feeling lazy and micahg sits quiet, why do we even have the meeting?
18:09 <knome> just asking...
18:09 <micahg-work> maybe a different time would be betteR?
18:09 <knome> 19UTC (one hour later) usually has worked pretty well
18:10 <knome> nobody has said it's bad for them
18:10 <knome> and it was discussed last time that an hour before is better for most
18:10 <micahg-work> fine with me, though I have a meeting at 19:30 today
18:10 <pleia2> it's fine when I'm home :)
18:10 <knome> now, i'm not blaming about people not showing up
18:10 <knome> the meetings aren't obligatory
18:10 <knome> it shouldn't be a chore
18:10 <knome> if it is, maybe we should organize communication in another way
18:10 <elfy> I did say that 1800 was bad for me ;)
18:10 <micahg-work> I pop up to answer questions
18:11 <knome> i can chair a meeting, and run down the agenda, but if people are here just because they feel they have to be... that kind of sucks
18:11 <knome> elfy, except this week :)
18:11 <elfy> well - holiday :)
18:11 <knome> and yeah, this change in time was supposed to be a trial...
18:12 <elfy> it is still bad though - food for little one shouldn't have to wait for two IRC meetings ;)
18:12 <pleia2> trial failed, maybe my internet will be better in 50 minutes
18:12 <knome> hah
18:12 <knome> #topic Ibus vs installed keyboard layout - https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1284635
18:12 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1284635 in ibus (Ubuntu) "Keyboard layout changes after login" [High,Confirmed]
18:12 <knome> let's discuss about this
18:13 <knome> elfy, want to outline?
18:15 <elfy> mmm - well - not much I can add to the bug report I did, but this is a big issue imo
18:15 <elfy> I'm not sure how many this would affect - whether just UK or not - but it would be all of them
18:16 <knome> i wonder if this is related to some of the changes in gnome-settings-manager (time-admin, users-admin) or so which were landed earlier this cycle
18:16 <elfy> also not sure what we can do about it - though removing ibus fixes it
18:16 <dkessel> I have had that on standard ubuntu some time ago I believe
18:16 <slickymasterWork> so far I haven't saw it affecting the PT keyboard layout
18:16 <elfy> I'm pretty sure that when ibus ended up in the panel is when the issue started - but can't be more speciic than that
18:16 <knome> dkessel, can you add on the bug then please? would be good to have more eyes on it..
18:17 <knome> didn't somebody report this on FR layout, or do i misremember?
18:17 <knome> i'm wondering if it has something to do with truncating the LANG to two characters
18:17 <micahg-work> we got 1.5.5 of ibus 5 days before that bug was filed, maybe it's a regression?
18:17 <elfy> you might remember me trying to work with a freench layout
18:18 <knome> micahg-work, very likely in that case
18:18 <knome> elfy, let's try with an older version of ibus :)
18:18 <micahg-work> Update en-us compose table and add locale tables for xkb engines.
18:18 <elfy> micahg-work: extrmely possible - I remember seeing it - then thinking nothing of it for a day or so
18:18 <knome> hmmh
18:18 <elfy> gtg - back in 30
18:18 <dkessel> I guess it would help if I could find the old bug ID. Will try to find that. Very limited time these days
18:18 <knome> micahg-work, have a link to the commit?
18:18 <micahg-work> e64b25c0ab8fadeae97fe78dcfcbc3a5d0869c6b
18:19 <micahg-work> sorry, just going off launchpad info here
18:19 <micahg-work> previous version of ibus: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/1.5.4-1ubuntu1
18:20 <micahg-work> https://github.com/ibus/ibus/commit/e64b25c0ab8fadeae97fe78dcfcbc3a5d0869c6b
18:21 * knome is looking at the last link
18:21 <micahg-work> https://github.com/ibus/ibus/commit/e64b25c0ab8fadeae97fe78dcfcbc3a5d0869c6b#diff-feb6c99dcbf1f2fc7ffa5b43075149b3R42 maybe?
18:21 <micahg-work> oh, soryr, that's a test
18:22 <knome> i can run a test with the old version shortly
18:23 <knome> zsyncing daily
18:29 <dkessel> Found my old bug ID for this: bug 1240198
18:29 <ubottu> bug 1240198 in indicator-keyboard (Ubuntu) "wrong keyboard layout active after booting into desktop, after upgrade to saucy" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1240198
18:41 <elfy> back
18:44 <knome> just running an installation
18:45 <elfy> dkessel: oh yea - I'd nto have noticed that one at all
18:47 <knome> yep, can confirm
18:48 <elfy> good - although I've had people confirm it - I thought I was going madder
18:48 <micahg-work> so, maybe it's an older issue than
18:48 <knome> i'll check with the old ibus package soon
18:48 <elfy> micahg-work: we never had it previously
18:48 <micahg-work> dkessel's bug is from pre-trusty
18:48 <elfy> I've not seen it until ibus pitched up on the panel
18:48 <elfy> micahg-work: yes - and it's for an ubuntu indicator
18:49 <knome> did we install ibus pre-trusty?
18:49 <micahg-work> I would think so, let me check
18:50 <micahg-work> yes, from at least oneiric on
18:50 <elfy> micahg-work: I'd have noticed this in saucy - I often use things like # in passwords - even in vm's that last one boot
18:50 <micahg-work> (those are all the seeds I have checked out locally)
18:51 <micahg-work> raring had ibus 1.4, saucy brought 1.5
18:54 <knome> micahg-work, is there a clean way to install an older package version?
18:55 <micahg-work> if you have a repo with the old version available, you can add it to your apt sources and use -t with apt-get install to get that version
18:56 <knome> i guess i don't ;)
18:56 <micahg-work> but stuff doesn't necessarily downgrade like that gracefully
18:56 <knome> sure
18:56 <micahg-work> you can download all the debs and pass them to sudo dpkg -i on the command line
18:58 <knome> i guess the old debs aren't saved anywhere?
18:59 <knome> well at least i can confirm that removing ibus fixes...
19:00 <micahg-work> knome, in launchpad for sure
19:00 <micahg-work> gave link above to the upload, click on the arch you want
19:00 <knome> ahh
19:00 <slickymasterWork> bbiw
19:00 <knome> hidden!
19:03 <Unit193> ./#endmeeting ?
19:03 <knome> nah.
19:03 <knome> (was aware, thanks.)
19:05 <knome> micahg-work, if there is any possibility you could look at the merges + uploads today, cool
19:05 <knome> micahg-work, if not, please let us know and we will find another way to do it
19:05 <micahg-work> ok
19:05 <knome> (later not preferred, but...)
19:06 <knome> well at least installing the old ibus doesn't break the layout..
19:07 <knome> upgrading back to latest
19:08 * elfy is back again
19:09 <elfy> so - a regression then
19:09 <knome> well, have to look more
19:10 <knome> apparently i would have had to manually start something
19:12 <knome> hmm, not sure
19:13 <knome> the package ends up with a crash...
19:13 <knome> so downgrading isn't clean
19:14 <knome> #topic Schedule next meeting
19:14 <knome> #info Next Xubuntu community meeting: Thu 27 Mar, 19UTC
19:14 <knome> #endmeeting